[kaotic]

Icarus yeah I can understand that, especially after going through some old girls phones.

I'm not looking for a LTR or marriage, so the effort rather isn't worth the time. If i ever decide a LTR i'll be sure to keep an eye on her.

[Young Traveller]

(05-11-2014 05:09 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 04:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 04:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

I often compile documents on people in my life (and update them regularly), so that every sensitive piece of information they share orally or via email / IM is archived in electronic format for future use in case I need to retaliate. This is why I never delete emails, photos, or videos from ex girlfriends. Why voluntarily destroy my ability to retaliate to attacks against my reputation and status?

I can see your point but don't you think that's a lifetime of a paranoia ?

I don't think so. Because intelligence-gathering and documentation is not useful only to retaliate and punish bad behavior, but also to reward good behavior.

I compile a document on every girlfriend of mine. In this document, I write down:

• details about her life and personality, stories from her childhood, etc.
• information about her friends, acquaintances, and employers.
• funny or memorable things she wrote or said about something or someone.
• potentially embarrassing information about her that can be used for retaliatory purposes.
  

Only the last point reveals paranoia. The previous three are positive, I believe. I can read the document every now and then, choose a piece of information or two and then introduce them in a future conversation with my girlfriend. If she mentions her trip to Italy in, say, 2006, I can reply the following

"Wasn't that the one when you got drunk at that ski resort in the Italian Alps with your friends X, Y, and Z?" (information that I had extracted from re-reading my document on her the night before)

and then she goes

"Ohhhh, you remember!!!"

This has several advantages. First of all, it shows that I listen to what she says, which enhances emotional bonding and builds trust. It also informs her that I have a good memory, and that she better be careful about what she says, because I can subtract two different versions of the same story she told several months apart, identify lies, and move her further away from the "marry and procreate with" box and closer to the "pump and dump" box.

I sometimes pretend to have forgotten some details about stories she told me, so that she can re-tell them, and I can check whether the new version of the story is consistent with the previous version. This is to assess her level of trustworthiness. Still, all women lie. I want to know how comfortably she lies, however.

Compiling documents on potential business partners is useful for other reasons. Sometimes people mention things in passing that turn out to be extremely valuable and may lead to interesting business ventures. Knowing that an old friend's brother has worked on real estate development with a known architect may be useful at some point in my future. Better write it down, it only takes a few seconds.

Retaliation is not the only reason to engage in documenting details about other people's personal and professional lives. Information is always valuable. The more, the better.

YOU are the man. This is exactly what I do - save pictures, conversations, details, etc. of my LTR.

I do exactly that in the bold to see whether she was BSing me or not.

I have pictures of my LTR on skype with her bra on, have pics after we fucked. There is no way I'd leak them to my friends or whatever but YOU NEVER KNOW - you truly don't. It's better to have them than not to have them.

I'll be sure to snoop around next time even if it means I'll be disappointed.

[Kwisatz]

Powerful and aware superpowers, from the US Government http://www.forbes.com/sites/brighammccow...the-means/ to Batman also see the wisdom in keeping tabs on your friends
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLA:_Tower_of_Babel

(05-11-2014 04:04 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

(05-11-2014 02:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The only way you can lose power is if you actually put yourself under the auspices of the law, which means getting married, cohabitation, or having children. If you don't, you're invincible and there's no point to spying.

Your attitude is extremely conservative (read: risk-averse). You assume the worst from every woman, and refuse to put yourself at risk. I have enough life experience to understand your attitude, of course. However, one day I would like to have children, which means that I will have to put myself at risk. So, if I am going into battle, I need all the intel on the battlefield I can get.

Yes, the laws are against men. But are we supposed to just disengage from life (procreation is part of life) and embrace self-extinction? Are we supposed to let the beta white knights and the repulsive manginas inherit the Earth? Personally, I want to be an old-fashioned patriarch. It's still possible. Maybe not in the U.S., though.

I believe there is always a need for spying. And not just on girlfriends. I advocate spying on everyone. Of course, I would never mention this to someone in real life, since I know that advocating violating everyone's privacy is extremely anti-social behavior. Yet, the price of tranquility is eternal vigilance. It's how people behave when they think that no one is watching that truly matters.

Cheating is not the only fireable offense. If the keylogger reveals that my girlfriend is discussing details of our sex life with her friends, she's fired. If she's criticizing me or ridiculing me in conversations with her friends, she's fired. If she's sexting other men, she's fired. Early on in the relationship I tell her what my redlines are, and warn her that if she behaves in a way that brings shame to our hypothetical future children, then she's fired. I recently had to fire my girlfriend because she crossed the redline. It was painful, because I had accidentally "caught feelings" for her, but it had to be done.

Friends and business partners should not be spared. One must know what people say behind one's back to know who is worthy of one's trust. If one chooses to be over-conservative and refuses to trust anyone, one will be losing a lot of the best things in life. Trusting and confirming that the trusted person is worthy of that trust is quite rewarding.

However, I still see everyone in my life as a potential traitor. Loyalty depends on incentives. If the incentives change and it pays off to betray me, then people will betray me. Everyone has a price, and sometimes the price is really low, depressingly low. The way to protect myself is not only to spy on everyone preemptively, but also to increase the cost of betrayal. This is easy. If I collect enough information, e.g., gossips, secrets, sensitive emails, photos and videos that would embarrass the other person if disclosed, then I increase the cost of betrayal.

I often compile documents on people in my life (and update them regularly), so that every sensitive piece of information they share orally or via email / IM is archived in electronic format for future use in case I need to retaliate. This is why I never delete emails, photos, or videos from ex girlfriends. Why voluntarily destroy my ability to retaliate to attacks against my reputation and status?

[BadgerHut]

(05-11-2014 05:09 PM)Icarus Wrote:  

I sometimes pretend to have forgotten some details about stories she told me, so that she can re-tell them, and I can check whether the new version of the story is consistent with the previous version. This is to assess her level of trustworthiness. Still, all women lie. I want to know how comfortably she lies, however.

I do the same thing. I have an exceptional memory, so I've never thought to keep documents on people, but I keep close tabs on someone telling the same story twice to see how they match up.

I had a girlfriend who told me a story about how her friend had gone celibate with her fiance to meet the priest's requirements for a Catholic wedding. A year later I heard the same story with the key detail changed - they'd told the priest they'd keep the pants on but went on banging anyway. Maybe that sounds petty, but truthful disclosures about sex are essential to If she felt that incidental lying was rationalized to protect her friend's reputation, there's no telling what she'd lie about to protect her own self-interest. Also showed she was down with her friends deceiving authority figures and debasing religious sacraments.

I knew another woman who had two dramatically different stories about how she met her husband.

Someone who changes key details of a story either has a really bad memory of material facts, is deliberately deceiving people out of habit, or lives in a world where the matter of facts is simply not important to them ahead of whatever point they want the story to express at the time.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-25-2014 04:41 PM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

Someone who changes key details of a story either has a really bad memory of material facts, is deliberately deceiving people out of habit, or lives in a world where the matter of facts is simply not important to them ahead of whatever point they want the story to express at the time.

That's just women, mate. Their reality is entirely-subjective, and necessarily-fluid due to their hyper-awareness of social dynamics, and their inability to deal with the ugly realities of cognitive-dissonance, (what we call 'running the hamster'). It's basically an ability to hold two simultaneous, contradictory beliefs at once whilst thinking they're both truth.

There's no point labelling them 'liars' for the way their sex perceives things. I guarantee you that, in the moment they're telling a tale, that is their genuine recollection of events after they've denied and filtered the bits that might make them, or their listener, uncomfortable.

This has been on my mind since February:

Through work, I recently ran into a woman I've known since High School and has floated through my social circle as a 'friend of a friend' on and off ever since.

I'd talked her off the ledge at various parties over the years, and through threats of suicide. I've discussed - at great length - her rape with her multiple times: she went out on a date when she was visiting Melbourne when she was 17, and ended up being raped by him and a friend of his back at his house, leaving with her with anal herpes. She never pressed charges, 'out of fear'. All the women I know, (including my sister and cousins), know her and pity her and praise her 'strength' etc, because she's made sexual assault crusading her career.

I'd lost track of her about six years ago, but she turned up for training at my workplace. She's still a hambeast, (and was before the rape), but I've got 20 kilos of muscle on me since she last saw me, and noticed she was constantly giggling, lip-biting and touching my bicep, chest and back as we talked, so I was feeling an uncomfortable 'creeper' vibe from her attention.

After training, she approached me and said she needed a lift to another site in town, and asked if I could drive her.

I'm not that stupid.

I called up one of the girls upstairs and ask if she could come with us to our other site, and she said she was just finishing up something and would meet us down here in 10 minutes.

Rape Girl looked disappointed, and asked me 'Why is she coming?'

I know how to play the game, and said it was a sign of respect because I didn't want to put her in an uncomfortable situation of being alone with a 'much bigger' man - despite her probably weighting close to me - because of her rape.

That's when she said it: "I've always been really comfortable with you [Bosch]. And, well, I wouldn't exactly call it rape."

You could put a cape on this girl with RG emblazoned on the back, this is how much the rape has defined her. She never shuts the fuck up about it. She was on the front of our local phone book about 6 years ago fronting a 'Take Back The Night' march. I couldn't have been more shocked if she'd said she was from Mars.

Note 'exactly'. Classic girl weasel language.

I responded with completed stoicism: letting her talk, prompting her with questions. I'm a listener, and she trusts me because I've always talked about her problems non-judgmentally. This had the aura of confession. Why now, at this point in her life, under the ticking clock of someone coming to join us? Who knows? But it happened.

A couple of things she said:

- She felt like she owed the guy something, 'well, he'd bought me dinner'.

- She stayed the night because 'We were in [an outer suburb about 50 mins from her hotel by train], and he'd been drinking, and I'd have to get a Taxi and a Train and find my way back, and I didn't really know how to get there."

- The other guy ended up in bed because she might have 'possibly' invited him to join them.

See the cognitive dissonance at play? Instead of saying "I wanted to fuck this guy and his friend," and being honest about it becomes about rationalising why she mustn't have really wanted to do the thing that she did.

Otherwise you have to stop and consider that she would give up her vagina against her will simply because she couldn't be bothered dealing with navigating a simple taxi and train trip back to the city. Hell, women possess more agency that that.

So, how does it become 'rape'?

Because she ended up with anal herpes through her poor choices.

So she either has to face reality:

- I had slutty sex with someone I barely knew and ended up with butt blisters.

Or spin the hamster:

- Arse herpes is something bad, dirty girls get.
- I'm not a bad, dirty girl. I'm a good girl.
- I wouldn't have made the choice to be a bad, dirty girl.
- It wasn't choice, I was forced.
- I'm now a victim, and no-one can judge me for my disease.

Strangely enough, a good mate of mine has seen this rationalisation process in gay men who've contracted HIV.

The other girl soon turned up and we dropped her off, with me questioning why she said what she did to me. The vain part of wants to think she was trying to make me view her as less-tainted so I'd want to get into her front bum, but I'm not that arrogant. Her lengthy rationales for sleeping with the guys seemed to have too much verisimilitude.

I wondered what to do about this for weeks afterwards, (and there's no need to derail this thread into a discussion of what I should do about it), because in the end I came to the conclusion that it's just how women perceive reality, and there's nothing to be gained from it, because group conflict guarantees women will side with women and will never believe me. (If charges had been pressed, it'd be another matter).

I'm being Zen about it. The story she told to me was the truth of her reality as an actor, with me as her audience, at that moment in time. The story she tells to other women is the truth of her reality as an actor, with them as her audience, at that moment in time.

It think accepting this without anger is part of understanding the nature of women. Either that or it was just the snapping of the last, lingering thread of expecting anything better out of them.

[Fortis]

I like this thread a lot. It's a lot like how I would watch gory videos as a kid to desensitise myself. This is like seeing the raw underbelly of women so that my mindset is solid when I have to walk away from a girl.

I've never actually snooped on a girl's phone, but my best bro (he's woefully blue pill, even though he's a martial arts instructor) took his ex-girlfriend's phone one night and damn near traumatised himself. She was such a rampaging slut that it was unbelievable. She would borrow his car and use it to go fuck other men. She'd pick up her phone in the middle of the night and be texting other men, usually right after she got done fucking my friend. It was hysterical in a sad way.

Game on, playas.

[TravellingSoldier]

Does anyone know how spanish girls react to that BDSM and "you are my slut" stuff?

I'm always a cocky asshole and kinda slap girls around (not anything violent, just smack their ass real hard or something) if they say or do some shit that's either way out of line or stupid.

Furthermore... what is the correct way of saying it? I know there's a big difference between the definitions and slang.

"Eres mi guarra/eres mi jodedera"

help us latinalovers dom in the bedroom too!! Por favor

[simondice]

I love how some girls are blatanly texting their fuck buddies while on a date, and they try to do it "discreetly", makes the weed out process much easier. " Always assume she's fucking someone already"

I was on a date with girl who claimed to be quite a "neurotic nerd", kind of a feminist, a 7. She wanted to control frame like a motherfucker, but yours truly didn't let her and it got her wet. She was taking pictures of our hookah for instagram, and her fuckbuddy was on the phone telling her to come over, and she kept saying how she was just doing a project for school with him. I find it amazing how some people lie to themselves about what their girlfriends are like. A rude awakening that will slap some red pill in you, check your girls' phone. Try not to become so jaded.

[CrackerDaddy]

(08-13-2013 06:16 AM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

A girl I've been seeing for 7 weeks was charging her phone on my laptop. Little did she know I am able to transfer all her data within a few seconds. I thought her messages would provide some educational value and entertainment.

I knew from the start that I am not the only guy she is fucking but it's still an eye-opener when you read explicit messages to/from other guys on her phone while she is being all lovey dovey with me.

Message from her about me to a gym guy she is fucking:
"i went to the gym yesterday and the tall guy was there to aka Every10GivesMeA10. and we were talking. and when I walked away (he told me later) one of the guys was like: "yeh u guys wud make a good couple cuz both of you are tall, but isnt she with that other guy? Yep hun, so according to the gym we are a couple"

Guy replies with: "That's Alpha right there."
Later he says: "I can't wait to suck your clit tonight"
Her reply later: "I love your dick"

Little does he know I busted my nut in her 5 times and took pictures of the creampie.

I went on a short trip with her as well and he spotted us at the train station. The guy sent her all kinds of jealousy and hate filled messages. Girl replies with: "haha see you later"

I don't mind the hate though. I never hate on other guys in front of girls. That guy has weak game. I 'stole' his bitch from the way I see it. They have been 'dating' for 6 months while I fucked her on the 2nd date and since I have been reading these messages it has been more hate fucking.

Other stuff:
"The guy is always on drugs, if he aint on weed hes on coke. I dont mind but he plays with my emotions. the last day we fucked, omg tanja, never in my life i felt like i was just a peace of meat, being fucked


There's more crap as well but I won't post them out of disgust. I wonder if I will still be able to get it up with this slut.

How many dick pics did you find?

[CrackerDaddy]

Not that I make a habit out of going through a woman's phone; but, if you're going to leave it open and in front of me unguarded, I'm going to take a peek. I've seen everything from nasty explicit texts (women are whores), dick pics, movies....you name it.

[kaotic]

(05-12-2014 10:58 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

I'd be curious if anyone has techniques for going through the phone, fb, emails, etc.

Every since reading "The Key Logger" I've been morbidly curious.

Here's my thing, the main girl I'm banging doesn't have a passcode on her phone. I don't bother looking at it because im NOT in relationship with her. I def deep programmed her during the 4 day fuckfest we had in vegas. Even fucked in a porto potty at the punk rock show. She even bought lingerie to wear when we got back to the hotel room.

Thing is, I KNOW, looking at her phone will fuck with my game. Another reason I don't bother looking is because im gaming/fucking other girls at the same time. It's a good healthy balance for me. She's brings positivity around me, she does what I want, there isn't any drama. I'm assuming she's talking/fucking other guys while I do the same with other girls. (I think she'll want the relationship more in the end). Things would be alot different in a relationship, I would def keep tabs on her.

[MidniteSpecial]

(11-24-2013 12:19 AM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

Um I don't think that was a condom. There's a birth control method which is a rubbery ring that a girl puts in the vajina for 3 weeks at a time. It's roughly 2 inches wide.

Nope it was a condom. Pretty sure I know what condoms look like. Haha.

But yeah. I've fucked girls with the nuvaring before too. It sucks hitting that ring. I take it out and put it on the night table.

It has a two hour window before it stops working while it's outside the vagina.

[El Padrone]

Some threads should never die. Lovin' it.

[Kid Twist]

I decided to take the non-TL;DR approach to Bosch ... and when I came upon "Because she ended up with anal herpes due to her poor choices" I was like



sorry for those that haven't read it yet

[RiskIt4Biscuit]

Solid bump.
Also, AnonymousBosch`s post put the final piece of that puzzle i`ve been looking at for a while now.

[griffinmill]

From the other side of the coin:

My longest relationship was with this girl who had deep insecurity issues, and if I had been half the man I am now, with abundance, I'd never gave tolerated her behaviour. She was very jealous, and was the best detective.

One evening I popped out to grab a bite to eat. Halfway there I realised I had left my phone in the house with her, but rationalized a) she'd not find it and b) I'd be back soon anyway.

When I walked through the door after an absence of about fifteen minutes she was screaming her head off, rolling around on the floor, with my phone in her hand.

She had went through my texts, my emails, my Facebook, every fucking thing.

But yet all she found was an email from several years back I had written a good friend of mine in confidence, about my girlfriend's behaviour, and her family. It was a particularly devastating email for her to read, no doubt.

We broke up soon after.

Since then I have been hyper-vigilant. My new phone has a thumbprint scanner.

[Ironbutt62]

I don't care enough to spy on my bangs, none of them will be LTRs. There are a few girls I call on again, when I'm in their cities, but again, it's just for such short term that there never seemed to be much need to spy.

However, after reading this thread.... it might be a good project.

As for my own phone:
1. I screenshot important texts and then cloud them.
2. I don't use email "apps", but open email boxes from the browser so they must be logged into with a password. Same for banking apps. No sense giving curious girls access.
3. For fun, I have deliberately left phone unattended to see if they try to peek. Several have. Lol.

[Northern Wastes]

Porn. All the phones I've actually snooped though out of boredom had copious amounts of porn links in their iPhone Metadata or just in their search history. And the majority of it was weird lesbian stuff or BDSM. Girls are goofy.

[torridon747]

I don't check girl's phones unless I'm screening for an LTR and it's got that far. Far enough for me to think they are worthy but not trust my judgement enough to do some snooping

Girl hasn't made it that far in a while and I don't want to know about all the other guys she's fucking.

[brob]

On an iPhone (and of course she's going to have an iPhone) you can load up her passcode screen but instead of putting in a passcode, just swipe to the right and it will pull up a search function.

From here you can search what apps she currently has downloaded on her phone. Tinder, Bumble, SeekingArrangement, etc.

You don't need to input the passcode to run the search

[Vaun]

I used to take the lock off my phone, close all the apps, then leave my phone around her. Then I check which apps shes opened up later. This is with LTR's. I love to see what they are looking at on my phone. I wonder if there are any apps that show you a "browser" history for an iPhone; which apps they look at, what they do in those apps, what they search for, etc.

[Mufasa]

A lot of

Text message
Bae

On their lock screens in the AM

[torridon747]

Not to try to stick up for the hoes here but a lot of hoes call each other bae.

[DimeBait]

I'm sure someone posted the same sentiment somewhere in here, but I have NEVER went through a girls phone nor EVER felt the need to. IDGAF about what a bish does. What she eats doesn't make me shit! Focus on you and you'll become a better you.

[UlteriorMotive]

(04-08-2017 10:24 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

I wonder if there are any apps that show you a "browser" history for an iPhone; which apps they look at, what they do in those apps, what they search for, etc.

Not exactly what you're looking for but I've had some laughs using the app (Intruder selfie) on the play store.

It takes a picture using the front-facing camera on your phone of anyone attempting to unlock it with an incorrect password / pattern.