[Lumiere]

Sales blurb here

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/201...hour-body/

Looks fairly interesting however

[Biz]

Def looks interesting. I pre-ordered

[speakeasy]

Quote:

- How Tim gained 34 pounds of muscle in 28 days, without steroids, and in four hours of total gym time
- How to sleep 2 hours per day and feel fully rested

34lbs of muscle in a month without roids?? Yarite...This guy would be the world's #1 fitness trainer if that was true. And someone will have to tell me what he says about being fully rested off 2hrs sleep. Not buying these wild claims.

[oldnemesis]

(09-30-2010 11:59 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

34lbs of muscle in a month without roids?? Yarite...This guy would be the world's #1 fitness trainer if that was true. And someone will have to tell me what he says about being fully rested off 2hrs sleep. Not buying these wild claims.

Honestly I do not understand why some people praise Tim Ferris so much. I've read "four hours workweek", and it is a typical self-improvement book, with 50% of basic common sense and 50% of strategy which worked for author, but would unlikely work for anyone else. This one is probably similar.

What really amazes me is the amount of people who still think there is some sacred knowledge in getting rich/getting fit, and that one who knows it can skip all hard work and shortcut to the result. Of course it doesn't work.

PS. An example: I will speculate that by using the "four hours of gym time" phrase he means "four hours of WORKING time spent in gym", and not just four one-hour visits of gym in a month. Considering that an average time per set for me is 15 seconds, a set of three would take 45 seconds. Eight different exercises make a workout, meaning a typical 60 minute workout in a gym is roughly 45*8 = 360 seconds or 6 minutes of "gym time". Applying the same logic, 240 minutes (4 hours) in gym mean 40 such workouts a month. Not a surprise anymore, heh?

[gringoed]

(09-30-2010 03:51 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(09-30-2010 11:59 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

34lbs of muscle in a month without roids?? Yarite...This guy would be the world's #1 fitness trainer if that was true. And someone will have to tell me what he says about being fully rested off 2hrs sleep. Not buying these wild claims.

Honestly I do not understand why some people praise Tim Ferris so much. I've read "four hours workweek", and it is a typical self-improvement book, with 50% of basic common sense and 50% of strategy which worked for author, but would unlikely work for anyone else. This one is probably similar.

What really amazes me is the amount of people who still think there is some sacred knowledge in getting rich/getting fit, and that one who knows it can skip all hard work and shortcut to the result. Of course it doesn't work.

PS. An example: I will speculate that by using the "four hours of gym time" phrase he means "four hours of WORKING time spent in gym", and not just four one-hour visits of gym in a month. Considering that an average time per set for me is 15 seconds, a set of three would take 45 seconds. Eight different exercises make a workout, meaning a typical 60 minute workout in a gym is roughly 45*8 = 360 seconds or 6 minutes of "gym time". Applying the same logic, 240 minutes (4 hours) in gym mean 40 such workouts a month. Not a surprise anymore, heh?

No. Read his blog post about this. He says that he spent 4 hours IN THE GYM . I think it was 8 30min workouts.

[Roosh]

(09-30-2010 11:59 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  



34lbs of muscle in a month without roids?? Yarite...This guy would be the world's #1 fitness trainer if that was true. And someone will have to tell me what he says about being fully rested off 2hrs sleep. Not buying these wild claims.

Neither did I. Some guy proved Tim was "exaggerating", but his blog post is gone. I assembled it using screenshots:

http://i.imgur.com/5OizH.jpg

Anyone who is a gym rat or knows a few meatheads knows that what he's writing about is unlikely. I can see how the tech people who read his blog would buy into it though since they are not exposed to gym culture.

[gringoed]

Here is the original post for reference:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/200...n-4-weeks/

34 lbs of water weight in a month? sure. 34 lbs of muscle? Impossible.

I wonder if these outrageous claims are to create marketing buzz? Everybody has an opinion on stuff like this. You have to admit that Tim is a marketing genius.

[mangadooza]

Book looks underwhelming. On his blog, he suggests you should consume 5k+ calories a day. Not only does eating that much eat up all your time (making the real cost of his plan much higher than the 4 hours of gym time), but if you're not a ectomorph like Tim, you'll put on a significant amount of fat.

http://www.leangains.com/

That guy is the real deal. Minimalist philosophy without BS.

His "feel rested on 2 hours of sleep/day" claim presumably refers to a polyphasic sleep cycle. It's already been extensively covered by lots of people. It's really inconvenient to nap for 20 mins several times over a course of a day, it's absolute hell to adjust to, and the long term effects are largely unknown.

[Biz]

I liked the first book, so I ordered the 2nd...

I'm a gym rat, and def know how hard it is to actually gain "real" muscle....I started a strict maniac diet and beast workout schedule earlier this year, it took me 6 months to gain a solid 7-10 lbs of muscle, although 7-10 lbs. doesn't seem like it alot on paper but if you saw the before and after --- I was a monster after. I worked out 45 mins - 1 hr 5-6 days a week, ate A SHIT LOAD of protein and carbs and took a few other supplements (no steroids)

34lbs seems rediculous....a pro bodybuilder on MASSSSSSIVE amounts of juice, growth and insulin with a 10lb a day steak habit would be happy with a 5lb gain in ONE YEAR.

[oldnemesis]

(09-30-2010 04:09 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

No. Read his blog post about this. He says that he spent 4 hours IN THE GYM . I think it was 8 30min workouts.

This would only work for the people who used to train a lot in past, but didn't go to gym for a while. No surprise Tim Ferris is one of those as he mentioned it himself in "4 hour workweek" winning a kick boxing competition. Just look on this video. And this will only work for a short period of time until you re-gain your previous strength.

Why so many people nowadays feel the need to revert to misleading and lies to sell something? This is a shame as the book otherwise may be good and worth reading - but I don't feel right paying for the book whose author treats its writers as idiots.

[oldnemesis]

(09-30-2010 07:20 PM)mangadooza Wrote:  

Book looks underwhelming. On his blog, he suggests you should consume 5k+ calories a day. Not only does eating that much eat up all your time (making the real cost of his plan much higher than the 4 hours of gym time), but if you're not a ectomorph like Tim, you'll put on a significant amount of fat.

Not to mention it will screw up your digestive system as well. Try eating only chicken breast for three days.

Ten years ago I lost close to 20lbs in two weeks by doing nothing special at all, so it is possible. But I bet my last dollar you do NOT want to lose weight this way.

[Quasi]

I pre-order it right away. Sounds interesting! But def. unrealistic..never liked his blogs much, but got a good friend that praises him and is a big fanboy.. I think he is hype and taking other ppl stuff passing it on as his own.. old wine new bottles type..

My guess with the mass gain is that its due to being huge before using roids its easier to gain the mass again because the musclecells have more nuclei. So without roids you can get roid using amount of mass.

But he does have skills.. I mean his marketing hype is great..look at us here talking about him.. and we all know theres only thing worse than being talked about...

[Whoremonger]

(09-30-2010 03:51 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(09-30-2010 11:59 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

34lbs of muscle in a month without roids?? Yarite...This guy would be the world's #1 fitness trainer if that was true. And someone will have to tell me what he says about being fully rested off 2hrs sleep. Not buying these wild claims.

Honestly I do not understand why some people praise Tim Ferris so much. I've read "four hours workweek", and it is a typical self-improvement book, with 50% of basic common sense and 50% of strategy which worked for author, but would unlikely work for anyone else. This one is probably similar.

What really amazes me is the amount of people who still think there is some sacred knowledge in getting rich/getting fit, and that one who knows it can skip all hard work and shortcut to the result. Of course it doesn't work.

PS. An example: I will speculate that by using the "four hours of gym time" phrase he means "four hours of WORKING time spent in gym", and not just four one-hour visits of gym in a month. Considering that an average time per set for me is 15 seconds, a set of three would take 45 seconds. Eight different exercises make a workout, meaning a typical 60 minute workout in a gym is roughly 45*8 = 360 seconds or 6 minutes of "gym time". Applying the same logic, 240 minutes (4 hours) in gym mean 40 such workouts a month. Not a surprise anymore, heh?

As a gym rat, thats a load of bullshit. Even on the juice, 34lbs of muscle is not going to happen. Maybe if you came off a long lay off, as muscle memory would play a huge role. Still, thats ridiculous.

As for 4HWW, that book is one of the best I have read in a long time. Much of what he says is common sense. Its not meant to be a blue print, its meant to provide you with ideas and concepts. Its like any business case dude. You have to apply what you learn from his experiences to what you are trying to do. If you cant take anything out of it, thats no fault of the book, thats a fault of your own.

I have already outsourced a great deal of my life after reading that book. I have cut admin down to the point where my productivity has increased. I have people in the Phillipines doing my lead research, reporting, basic product plans. Im saving almost 15 hours a week with my day job.

For next to nothing I have managed to get a website built and marketed, and traffic is growing. I am generating a passive income, which is already enough for me to quit my job. Im currently pulling 110k a year already from one site. All I have done is outsource the SEO of the site, have people manage the daily admin of the sites, have a cheap as hell developer out of India code the thing full time. The model is replicated easily anywhere in the world. The amount of time I spend on everything?

5 hours a week tops.

I have just started my second site in Canada, which is still in development and testing phases. I have never even been to Canada. Ill do the same thing there that I am doing in Aus. How did I do it?

Http://www.privategirls.com.au

Each profile you see on that site pays me $175 a month.

No one is going to give you an idea or a business model all wrapped up with a nice little bow. I can give you the websites I have without any concern because I know the business model is where I make my money, not the fact that I merely put a website up. There are tons out there. I actually have commission based sales people selling that shit over the phones. Cost me about 30k to get going, and that was that.

The message of the book was quite simple. Stop looking for a job and start looking to become self employed. With the world connected the way it is, there is no need to run high cost operations to generate an income. Shit is not going to fall into your lap, think for yourself and look for a gap. 4HWW did not inspire this, all it did was help me improve and better implement ideas I already had.

I owe the man a beer or two. Gave me more than Robert Kiyosaki or any of the other "gurus" did, thats for sure.

[Quasi]

haha awesome whoremonger... those chicks are hot inspirational shit!

[gringoed]

Whoremonger,

I couldn't agree more. Great post, and kudos to your online success!

The thing about books is that they're only pieces of paper, and only cost $15 which is NOTHING. A book alone is not going to change your life. The onus is on the reader, not the author, to turn it into something positive.

[clr]

everyone here wants to bash the 34 lbs of muscle.... its OBVIOUSLY impossible right? Look at the scientific studies done. It was done in the 70's called the colorado experiment. Granted the first guy was a former Olympian but he gained 63 LBS of muscle in 28 days.

http://www.musclenet.com/coloradoexperiment.htm

I did a lot of research on this a while back when I first read about Tim Ferris, no one actually looks into the science of it, merely says, "nope, its impossible" I've worked out in Gyms for 25 years.... blah blah I've never seen other real world results from guys this good, but there were some pretty close, maybe they were just rebuilding old muscle I dont know. I really wish it would get re tested with control subjects.

The one key thing is you really have to push yourself hard, I went to various forum checking on different guys results, guy were getting amazing results, with I might add, NOTHING TO SELL. I believe stuff that I read when people have no reason to gain from it.

Its how I personally have stayed in decent shape working out once or twice a month and maintained a decent amount of my muscle over the past year. When my lazy ass gets to the gym I do HIT work outs ripping my muscles as much as I can. I would like to actually work it for a month and see.

[newplayboy]

i started working out a year ago when i was 18. I was 6'1 160 pounds. a year later i am nearly 6'2 and weigh 182 pounds. I gained most of my weight in the first few months. i made it to 180 but had a gut because of the insane amount of food i was eating. I cut down to 174 pounds. then worked real hard until halfway through summer where i decided i was happy with my physique. Since then i only work out 2 or 3 times a week for an hour or less and people ask if i roid because i make it look easy.

Now that i have in my mind teh perfect body(i'm .06 away from the adonis ratio) i am working on my game and intelligence for the next year. so far i have improved ten fold from where i was a year ago

[gringoed]

"6'1 160 pounds. a year later i am nearly 6'2 and weigh 182 pounds"

Please share your secrets to working out to become taller! haha