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Language Learning Tips
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Language Learning Tips

After spending many years learning languages, I'd like to think I've learnt a thing or two about how to learn them - so I'll try share some of my main tips.

I'm sure some have been covered here before, but in this thread people can add their own tips too to help others.

I've learnt two languages formally in school - French and German and I learned two languages through exposure to them - Italian and Spanish.

Why?

Why do you want to learn the language? Do you just think German would be cool to learn and you'll end up jacking it in after 2 months? Or do you want to live in Germany in the future?

I can't stress this enough. You have to have a real and tangible reason for learning the language, or you'll never stick with it.

For example I recently started Brazilian Portuguese but I have no Brazilian friends and my plans to go to Brazil in the near future have changed, so my interest has dwindled.

Which?

Similar to above. Which language do you want to learn? Spanish, French, Russian, Mandarin? This question should be aligned with your long-term goals.

It can coincide with your preference for Latinas, you want to make a move to Russia to exploit business opportunities or perhaps you like spending summers in the French Riviera.

If it's a niche language spoken by only a small percentage of the world - e.g. Czech, then really consider your motives for learning that language. Would you be better served learning a widely spoken language over multiple countries like Spanish?

Dedication

To really master a language, you have to either go balls out or not at all. It really is that simple.

You cannot put in an hour or two a week and expect results. Your brain will simply not retain the information.

You have to be prepared to graft and grind out the work. At times learning a language can be VERY boring. Endless grammar, repetition and practice. But it can also be immensely rewarding - like entertaining a beautiful foreign woman all night in her language.

I really dislike the culture of 'exercise hacks' and 'language hacks' that flood the internet and bookshelves these days. There is no shortcut to become proficient in either, and they are similar in many ways.

Building muscle takes a lot of effort and work, but something that is so difficult to attain does not disappear in a small space of time, like aerobic fitness does.

The same applies to languages, even if you don't end up speaking it all the time, the hours you put in will be retained in your brain years later when you want to impress that French girl on the beach.

I would suggest at the absolute minimum an hour a day of your time.

The Snowball Effect

Once you have learned one language, the process of learning another becomes exponentially easier. Your brain now knows a few shortcuts and what works best for you when it comes to learning languages.

This is even more so when learning languages that are from the same family. For example if you learn French then Spanish is much easier and Italian and Portuguese even more so once you've learned Spanish.

You will never know however what system works best for you until you try.

Where?

First and foremost, there really is no substitute for being in a country where the target language is spoken. Especially if the level of English locally is poor, simply put you will have to progress rapidly. Or risk being sidelined as an ignorant gringo who never bothered to learn the language by the locals.

Secondly, if you're fortunate enough to work with people who speak the language you want to learn, befriend them, ask them questions about their culture and show a genuine interest in them and their country. I did this with Italian, and I went from basic to fluent in a year or two without living there.

These are the two best ways. However if you're not able to do any of the above, then never fear you can still learn!

After that long winded introduction I'll give you some tips...

Take a Class

If you're an absolute beginner in languages, then just fork out the money and take a class or get a personal tutor (preferably a native speaker). This will ground you in the basics and correct errors in your pronunciation that Pimsleur and Rosetta Stone will not.

Electronic Devices

If you've got a basic understanding of the language, so much so that you won't end up getting your phone blocked - then change your phone into your target language. Obviously I wouldn't recommend doing this in something like Mandarin, otherwise you may never get back into your phone unless you can read the characters.

However with a Latin language like Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French, etc you can do this quickly because lots of the words are intuitive to a native English speaker and you can guess your way around.

- Inteligente - Spanish
- Intelligent - French
- Intelligente - Italian
- Inteligente - Portuguese

You see where I'm going with this?

After a while, because you use your phone all the time, you will subconsciously learn all these words without making much effort.

Now I can tell you the words for message, telephone, settings, contact, send etc in Portuguese. But I didn't make any conscious effort to learn these.

If you're feeling adventurous you could also do this with your PC or Mac. Same applies to tablets and Kindles.

Films & Music

When I learned Spanish, watching Spanish films and listening to Spanish music helped immensely. It also gives you a good insight into the culture of the people who speak the language.

1) If you have a basic understanding, then try watching a film with subtitles in that language, e.g. Tropa de Elite with Portuguese subtitles. The chances are you will understand more what's written than spoken, over time this will change. This is absolutely the best and most fun way to learn in my opinion.

2) Do you have a TV series you like to watch or watch English speaking films? Then download subtitles for that film of whatever language you're speaking. You will learn different ways of saying things you never knew before, e.g. watch game of thrones with Spanish subtitles.

3) If you're not feeling too confident in your language ability just yet, don't worry. Watch the film in the language with English subtitles.

How do you think the Scandinavians and Dutch speak such good English? They have films in English with their own subtitles.

Finally, listen to music - everyone loves music, so I'm sure you can find a genre in the language you like. Then listen to that music and read the lyrics online while you listen to the song or read them afterwards, this helps process the words in your brain and cement your understanding.

Read the News

Try reading the news in the language you want to learn for 10 minutes every day.

Do you like sport? Even better read a sports newspaper, if it's Italian you can read http://www.gazzetta.it for example.

http://www.lefigaro.fr

http://www.elmundo.es

http://www.spiegel.de

http://www.corriere.it

http://www.lenta.ru

When you read online in the target language, make sure you have wordreference.com open in another tab to look up words you don't understand. They only have the main languages, but that's still good. This page is your best friend! It's very thorough and even has plenty of idioms you can translate.

Language Exchange

I'd wager that if you live in a large, urbanised city that there is a language exchange going on somewhere.

Find out where they take place. This is a great way to meet native speakers who want to improve their English, you can then improve your language.

Do this for 45 minutes over a coffee or a beer once or a couple of times a week and you will notice the difference.

It's also a good way of meeting people if you've moved abroad. I actually made some good friends from this in Spain and got a girl out of it once...so you never know.

That's all I can think of for now, if I think of any more I'll add them.
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Language Learning Tips

Seems like all good advice, I like the subtitle ideas.

One thing that helped me when I was studying Spanish was good old flashcards for vocabulary. Take 3x5 notecards, cut them into 1/4's to make little cards big enough for one word each. Put words you want to learn on them (English one side, target language the other obviously).

DON'T look up random words and add them to your cards--you'll probably end up learning obscure words or learning to use them wrong. Instead, put down words you run into in context somewhere, e.g. in your language classes, subtitles, etc.

Make a set of 10 or 20 words you want to learn, carry the cards with you, and review them at idle moments. As you master them, retire the ones you nail and keep working on the others. When you have them all, mix them up and review them all together again. When you can do that, add them to a pile of 60 or 80 or 100 words you know and review occasionally.

This is old-school, but I found you can learn 10 or 20 words a day this way, and have them at your fingertips. Considering that most of communication is done with, what, 1000 words, this will build your facility quickly. There is a lot more to learning a language than vocabulary, but no matter how good your grammar or accent is, you can't ask for a peach if you don't know the word for peach.

I'm sure there are apps/software that would do this same thing.
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Language Learning Tips

Oh, one other quick thing. Read aloud. From magazines, etc. Don't worry about understanding everything, just work on accent and speaking fluently. It might seem weird that reading without understanding helps, but it attunes you to the rhythms of the language and just makes the sounds come to your lips faster.
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Language Learning Tips

I been wanting to learn Spanish for 3 years now. I have the rosetta stone an pimsluer programs. I will get on a kick where I will do one 3 or 4 times a week then 2 times the next week then go months with out it.

Had I fucking stuck with them when I started I would be pretty damn good at speaking spanish by now and prally moved on to the next language.

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Language Learning Tips

For me, the single most important thing is FINDING SOMEONE TO SPEAK WITH, preferably groups.

Want to learn Spanish?

Make friends who only speak Spanish. Go out to areas where everyone speaks Spanish. Date a girl (or two) who only speak Spanish.

Of course, all the methods of practice are great, useful, and necessary. But unless you're actually using it in your life for real, you won't really "get there".
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Language Learning Tips

Quote: (07-30-2013 03:08 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

I been wanting to learn Spanish for 3 years now. I have the rosetta stone an pimsluer programs. I will get on a kick where I will do one 3 or 4 times a week then 2 times the next week then go months with out it.

Had I fucking stuck with them when I started I would be pretty damn good at speaking spanish by now and prally moved on to the next language.

Thoughts on the pimsluer program?

Recommended?

I have been reading up on this although i have not started yet. Other recommendations i have come across are:

Duolingo: language app for phone/ipad

Anki: que card app

Looking to start learning spanish 45 minutes every morning before work.

Main reason for doing this is to try and get my brain to learn something difficult. I will go back to mexico for a month or two next year. Hoping to get fluent before then.
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Language Learning Tips

Quote: (07-30-2013 05:37 PM)Bricks Wrote:  

Quote: (07-30-2013 03:08 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

I been wanting to learn Spanish for 3 years now. I have the rosetta stone an pimsluer programs. I will get on a kick where I will do one 3 or 4 times a week then 2 times the next week then go months with out it.

Had I fucking stuck with them when I started I would be pretty damn good at speaking spanish by now and prally moved on to the next language.

Thoughts on the pimsluer program?

Recommended?

I have been reading up on this although i have not started yet. Other recommendations i have come across are:

Duolingo: language app for phone/ipad

Anki: que card app

Looking to start learning spanish 45 minutes every morning before work.

Main reason for doing this is to try and get my brain to learn something difficult. I will go back to mexico for a month or two next year. Hoping to get fluent before then.

I like the Pimsluer program. It seems to teach me the basics of traveling to a different country. Were as the rosetta stone is teaching me how to say apple, rice and horse in fucking Spanish.
I like the fact the pimsluer is mobile to, you can listen to it on the car on the way to work or I have mine on my ipod now so I can listen to it on a morning walk/jog. Each lesson is 30 mins and you do one lesson a day. You can down load the Pimsluer for free99 off iso hunt if your into the whole pirate scene. Arrrrrrggggghhhh thats how I got mine Mattie

Bruising cervix since 96
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"I just want to live out my days drinking virgin margaritas and banging virgin señoritas" - Uncle Cr33pin
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Language Learning Tips

Cool thread. Lately what I've been doing for Spanish is watching children's shows in spanish. Maybe it sounds kind of lame, but they speak clear and slow and it helps way more than shows directed towards the grown up audience. But for the most part, the easiest way for me to learn languages had just been interacting with native speakers. The easiest way has been over an instant messenger or the equivalent.
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Language Learning Tips

Quote: (07-31-2013 10:04 AM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

Quote: (07-30-2013 05:37 PM)Bricks Wrote:  

Quote: (07-30-2013 03:08 PM)Cr33pin Wrote:  

I been wanting to learn Spanish for 3 years now. I have the rosetta stone an pimsluer programs. I will get on a kick where I will do one 3 or 4 times a week then 2 times the next week then go months with out it.

Had I fucking stuck with them when I started I would be pretty damn good at speaking spanish by now and prally moved on to the next language.

Thoughts on the pimsluer program?

Recommended?

I have been reading up on this although i have not started yet. Other recommendations i have come across are:

Duolingo: language app for phone/ipad

Anki: que card app

Looking to start learning spanish 45 minutes every morning before work.

Main reason for doing this is to try and get my brain to learn something difficult. I will go back to mexico for a month or two next year. Hoping to get fluent before then.

I like the Pimsluer program. It seems to teach me the basics of traveling to a different country. Were as the rosetta stone is teaching me how to say apple, rice and horse in fucking Spanish.
I like the fact the pimsluer is mobile to, you can listen to it on the car on the way to work or I have mine on my ipod now so I can listen to it on a morning walk/jog. Each lesson is 30 mins and you do one lesson a day. You can down load the Pimsluer for free99 off iso hunt if your into the whole pirate scene. Arrrrrrggggghhhh thats how I got mine Mattie

Going to be pirating this shiz tonight. This weekend the spanish game starts.
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Language Learning Tips

Quote: (07-31-2013 05:18 PM)Bricks Wrote:  

Going to be pirating this shiz tonight. This weekend the spanish game starts.

Good man.

Go hard or go home.

Gotta be prepared to get into the trenches with a language.
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Language Learning Tips

The comment at 2:37 was pretty funny.

It is a little spoofy but it seems like an interesting way to get yourself to learn. It forces you to write the words out and spaces out the learning. You will know what I mean if you watch the video.





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