[SteveCR]

(09-02-2014 03:18 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:  

I appreciate your varying perspective. Nonetheless, I will stick my my original comment because I doubt that guyus can get enough nutrients from those listed foods to the extent they are specified..... and he juices description is fairly vague. There are essential fats and proteins that our body cannot make from other foods, and even though I am NO expert, I doubt that the three categories of foods would obtain all of the essentials for the long term. For example, even the guy who lived on the twinkies diet lasted for a month or two with improved blood work and other measurements, but that does signify that a twinkies diet would be good for anybody long term.

With a bit of planning, it can be done, containing all of the vitamins and minerals that we need. I can't imagine anybody subsisting on just that diet, though. It would get quite boring.

Watermelon is incredibly healthy, and crammed full of vitamins and minerals. You would have to juice certain vegetables to get in what you're missing. Eating chicken thighs would give you all the protein and fat that you need (although you'd be lacking in omega 3 fatty acids).

[Tail Gunner]

(09-02-2014 01:59 PM)slubu Wrote:  

But I have spent a lot of time dating, banging and therefore seeing naked more than my share of Eastern European girls.

Of the ones that have flat stomachs, and I'm talking about the kind where when they are sitting there is not even a hint of a fold, a LOT of them have told me the same thing.

They don't eat anything after 6:00 p.m.

That is absolutely true. That is exactly what many models do, although I have also seen 8:00 p.m. as the deadline.

Dr. Mercola promotes a daily fast regime for good health that allows eating only between noon and 8:00 p.m. The rest of the time is considered a daily fast.

My problem is heavy snacking in the evening after dinner when I get bored after all my daily work is done. So, I can relate. But now I stick to fruits, nuts, seeds, and honey in the evening. Broke the rules this month by making occasional drinks in the August heat. But once the bottles of JD and rum are gone, I am not buying any more.

[SteveCR]

(09-02-2014 03:52 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

That is absolutely true. That is exactly what many models do, although I have also seen 8:00 p.m. as the deadline.

Dr. Mercola promotes a daily fast regime for good health that allows eating only between noon and 8:00 p.m. The rest of the time is considered a daily fast.

My problem is heavy snacking in the evening after dinner when I get bored after all my daily work is done. So, I can relate. But now I stick to fruits, nuts, seeds, and honey in the evening. Broke the rules this month by making occasional drinks in the August heat. But once the bottles of JD and rum are gone, I am not buying any more.

I regularly have cookies before bed. I go to bed around 10pm. I like going to bed on a full stomach, so I save about 1,000 calories for my dinner and bedtime snack.

People put so many unnecessary rules on health and fitness, it's enough to drive a person crazy. Just google "how to lose weight" and quickly get lost in the many conflicting websites offering various diets explaining how theirs is the right way to lose weight. It's turned into a religion, and people are mighty protective of their chosen religion (diet).

It's one of the driving reasons why I decided to change career paths and become a nutritionist. There's just so much misinformation out there, and it takes so much time to wade through everything to get down to the real science of human physiology.

[Giovonny]

(09-02-2014 01:59 PM)slubu Wrote:  

..seeing naked more than my share of Eastern European girls.

They don't eat anything after 6:00 p.m.


maybe there is something to be said about Gio's recommendation of going to bed on an empty stomach.

You have seen it with your own eyes!

First hand experience often has the greatest effect on our understanding.

You only have to look at the bodies of those thin Eastern European girls to know that my advice is based off of years of first hand experience and trial and error.

*****

I'm not saying that it's bad to eat at night.

I'm saying that if you want to reduce your belly, eating at night is generally a bad idea.

(there are ways to limit your calories throughout the day, thus, allowing for more night time eating but I feel that that strategy is inferior to eating enough throughout the day to allow you to fast at night)

*****

Again, what has allowed me to reduce nearly all of my belly fat this summer was to cut out all processed foods, sugars, flour, etc., and for dinner, I eat only lean protein and vegetables, if I ate a lot of protein throughout the day, I may only have vegetables for dinner. (I am never hungry because I eat a lot of fish, chicken, or beef throughout the day)

This is why I have a 6 pack.

This is real world experience.

I have been experimenting with my own body since I was 12 years old. I am now 38.

Thin, Eastern European girls know these concepts very well.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-03-2014 05:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You have seen it with your own eyes!

Thin, Eastern European girls know these concepts very well.

Gio, the EE women I have known never really ate much throughout the day. Not only that, but they can be somewhat superstitious. I have known a few that thought any drinks with ice cubes were bad for your health.

[Giovonny]

(09-03-2014 06:10 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Gio, the EE women I have known never really ate much throughout the day.

They know how to stay thin.

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As men, we generally like to maintain a bit more muscle, because of this, we must eat more than women.

Our dietary challenges are more complex than the dietary challenges of women.

Adding and maintaining muscle is something that women don't have to worry about.

Our need for more calories creates a need for greater dietary control.

Here is what I ate yesterday:

8am -- Shake of 2 frozen bananas, a large scoop of peanut butter, 5 dates, coconut milk, protein powder.

10am -- large bowl of oatmeal with honey and a large handful of mixed nuts.

1pm -- 4 eggs mixed with with peppers and onion, brown rice, 4 corn tortillas

4pm -- Grilled chicken with tomatoes

7pm -- Grilled chicken with pineapple.

Very little carbs! Only quality carbs! Just lean meat and fruits & vegetables after lunch!

[slubu]

How often do you eat red meat Gio?

[Giovonny]

(09-05-2014 09:43 AM)slubu Wrote:  

How often do you eat red meat Gio?

About once a week or so..

Sometimes, I crave it.

[RexImperator]

Wait a second... A large bowl of oatmeal IS a lot of carbs, actually.

[Giovonny]

(09-05-2014 10:30 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

A large bowl of oatmeal IS a lot of carbs, actually.

Yes, but it's about the highest quality carb that we can eat.

And, I eat it in the morning before I work out which ensures that I will burn it off.

Oatmeal also helps me take a good shit and it's about the least likely carb to "stick to my belly".

[Tail Gunner]

(09-05-2014 10:30 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Wait a second... A large bowl of oatmeal IS a lot of carbs, actually.

I wrote about this point more than 300 posts ago in this thread. Throwing around the word "carbs" is almost meaningless, except to the degree that it means that you are not discussing protein or fat. You must clarify what type of carbs (i.e., simple or complex carbohydrates). You can eat as many complex carbohydrates (i.e., good carbs) as you want without any ill effect.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-26298-...#pid699114

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Please . . . will everyone begin using some accuracy in their discussions (not just JayJuanGee). Instead of saying carbs, say "refined foods" or "denatured foods." Carbohydrates also include complex carbohydrates, such as vegetables, fruits, and whole grains -- things that are good for you. Simple carbohydrates are the problem, not complex carbohydrates. It is absolutely essential to know the difference.

No one heeded my advice.

[JayJuanGee]

(09-05-2014 02:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 10:30 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Wait a second... A large bowl of oatmeal IS a lot of carbs, actually.

I wrote about this point more than 300 posts ago in this thread. Throwing around the word "carbs" is almost meaningless, except to the degree that it means that you are not discussing protein or fat. You must clarify what type of carbs (i.e., simple or complex carbohydrates). You can eat as many complex carbohydrates (i.e., good carbs) as you want without any ill effect.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-26298-...#pid699114

Quote:

Please . . . will everyone begin using some accuracy in their discussions (not just JayJuanGee). Instead of saying carbs, say "refined foods" or "denatured foods." Carbohydrates also include complex carbohydrates, such as vegetables, fruits, and whole grains -- things that are good for you. Simple carbohydrates are the problem, not complex carbohydrates. It is absolutely essential to know the difference.

No one heeded my advice.

We are probably NOT going to get agreement on the extent to which carbs are good for you or bad for you or the extent to which some kinds of carbs can be differentiated from other carbs.. I mean we probably are NOT going to even get agreement about how to frame these carb related issues, so it seems.

There does seem to be some consensus that cutting back processed foods is a good thing; however, guys here seem to attribute such good thing in cutting processed foods to varying reasons, though.

Personally, even though I understand what you are saying, TailGunner, regarding the complex versus simple dichotomy of carbs, I get the sense that making that distinction and then suggesting that we can eat as much complex carbs as we like is a bit misleading. Some guys tolerate carbs better than others, and the combining of foods could cause a greater impact upon a guy's total carb load than he had realized. And, eating complex carbs is NOT going to solve this problem very well because guys are going to still have varying glucose level reactions to the carbs depending upon their tolerance and even insulin resistance levels that likely have evolved over the years of their lives.

I do get the sense that there is a hierarchy of carbs, though, and eating foods in their whole and natural state or close to that with some cooking can be a good thing.

I am NOT really into the thinking that various whole food carbs, whether oatmeal or various vegetables or fruits are nutritious in the same way that proteins and fats are - however, there seem to be some micronutrients and enzymes and prebiotics (in the form of resistance starch) contained in some of these whole food carbohydrates that overall facilitate health and allow the body to absorb nutrients better by facilitating digestion and to form and maintain good gut flora.

Overly sugary foods tend to interfere with good bodily nutrition absorption processes and even some of the bad oils contained in many processed foods also interfere with good bodily nutrition absorption processes.

As the butter can make your pants fall off video that I posted above suggested, if your body is having difficulties absorbing the nutrients from the food, then it will store those nutrients as fat and make it difficult to lose belly fat and even cause increasing accumulation of belly fat.

[Giovonny]

Lean meats and vegetables!

This is what the best athlete in the world has been eating to slim down.

He has access to the best nutritionists, dieticians, personal trainers, etc., in the world.

Here are some examples of his meals:

Quote:

-arugula salad with chicken, strawberries, mango, cashews and olive oil/lemon vinaigrette dressing" with a bowl of squash and zucchini.

-lobster salad with asparagus and mango chutney

There really should be no confusion when it comes to what a man should be eating!

Men with strong, muscular bodies are mostly in agreement about what to eat. There is no mystery. They avoid processed foods, stay away from sugar, and eat a lot of vegetables and lean meat.

It's actually pretty simple.

All of LeBron's meals feature lean meats and vegetables.

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(09-05-2014 02:45 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Throwing around the word "carbs" is almost meaningless

Carbohydrates also include complex carbohydrates, such as vegetables, fruits, and whole grains -- things that are good for you. Simple carbohydrates are the problem, not complex carbohydrates. It is absolutely essential to know the difference.

Great points and very true.

Quality carbs are essential.

I need my complex carbs from oatmeal and fruits/vegetables.

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Food illiteracy and ignorance is on par with financial illiteracy and ignorance.

[Brodiaga]

(09-03-2014 06:10 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 05:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You have seen it with your own eyes!

Thin, Eastern European girls know these concepts very well.

Gio, the EE women I have known never really ate much throughout the day. Not only that, but they can be somewhat superstitious. I have known a few that thought any drinks with ice cubes were bad for your health.

This is because they don't trust that the ice is made from clean water. I mean, tap water is generally drinkable in Russia and most of EE, but still better be safe than sorry.

Actually, when you are in a third world country like Vietnam or Cambodia, it's always a good idea to order drinks without ice.

[Cattle Rustler]

My mexican family keeps me from actually starting my diet and water fasting

Damn Mexican foods....

[Giovonny]

(09-06-2014 12:06 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

My mexican family keeps me from actually starting my diet and water fasting

Damn Mexican foods....

Mexican food can be very healthy, in my opinion.

Just avoid the queso (cheese), crema (creme), arroz (rice), flour tortillas and sugar.

Stay away from the sweets, soda, and pan mexicano (sweet bread)

I eat carne (meat), beans, corn tortillas, onions, cilantro, salsa, juevos rancheros all day long!

Steak tacos is a staple in my diet. (corn tortilla, steak, cilantro, onion, salsa)

My favorite is "birria de chivo" (goat soup)

Cheese, sour creme, rice, and flour tortillas are the only bad parts of Mexican food!

[Tail Gunner]

(09-06-2014 11:48 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Lean meats and vegetables!

This is what the best athlete in the world has been eating to slim down.

He has access to the best nutritionists, dieticians, personal trainers, etc., in the world.

Here are some examples of his meals:

Quote:

-arugula salad with chicken, strawberries, mango, cashews and olive oil/lemon vinaigrette dressing" with a bowl of squash and zucchini.

-lobster salad with asparagus and mango chutney

There really should be no confusion when it comes to what a man should be eating!

Men with strong, muscular bodies are mostly in agreement about what to eat. There is no mystery. They avoid processed foods, stay away from sugar, and eat a lot of vegetables and lean meat.

It's actually pretty simple.

All of LeBron's meals feature lean meats and vegetables.

I agree. The only thing that I would add is that the beef and lamb should be grass fed, the poultry free range, and the fish caught in the wild. The old adage that "you are what you eat" is quite true, but I would also add an addendum: "You are whatever your meal eats."

If steers, poultry, and fish eat grain, rather than their natural foods, then you are also eating what they ate because it is now the essence of their flesh (not all grains are good). If they ingest hormones and other chemicals, then so do you. That is also why you should eat smaller fish rather than predator fish, because the fish at top of the food chain are filled with mercury from eating loads of smaller fish, which condenses the amount of mercury. Same principle.

[Tail Gunner]

(09-06-2014 12:19 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 12:06 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

My mexican family keeps me from actually starting my diet and water fasting

Damn Mexican foods....

Mexican food can be very healthy, in my opinion.

Just avoid the queso (cheese), crema (creme), arroz (rice), flour tortillas and sugar.

Stay away from the sweets, soda, and pan mexicano (sweet bread)

I eat carne (meat), beans, corn tortillas, onions, cilantro, salsa, juevos rancheros all day long!

Steak tacos is a staple in my diet. (corn tortilla, steak, cilantro, onion, salsa)

My favorite is "birria de chivo" (goat soup)

Cheese, sour creme, rice, and flour tortillas are the only bad parts of Mexican food!

I pretty much gave up Mexican food because I have no knowledge of the quality of the meat. I cannot eat wheat, so if the steers ate grain then obviously I should not eat the beef. But I still have roast pork, chicharones, and beans as an occasional treat. If you can find just one Mexican joint that properly makes roast pork (the vast majority do not), it is a real treat. The chicharones are just icing on the cake!

[Bill]

Project abs is on again.

Ok, I had too much weight recently now I eat only once a day and I lost already some serious weight. The good thing is this time I could increase my muscle size at the same time with some serious training and lots of protein, creatin, taurin. I think I am very close to see my abs. So project abs is on again.

I bought some guarana burn 60 from glc it boosts my energy quite good. I am going to order Modafinil maybe it will help me to solve minor stress related problems so I have more energy left for may abs.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-06-2014 11:59 AM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 06:10 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 05:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

You have seen it with your own eyes!

Thin, Eastern European girls know these concepts very well.

Gio, the EE women I have known never really ate much throughout the day. Not only that, but they can be somewhat superstitious. I have known a few that thought any drinks with ice cubes were bad for your health.

This is because they don't trust that the ice is made from clean water. I mean, tap water is generally drinkable in Russia and most of EE, but still better be safe than sorry.

Actually, when you are in a third world country like Vietnam or Cambodia, it's always a good idea to order drinks without ice.

No, not from what they have said. More like catching a cold but you do make a good point about the water.

[aeroektar]

I started a bulk last January and gained muscle but also a gut and a fat face. Prior to this I was one of those skinny guys with some muscle and pretty good muscle definition but no six back.

A couple months ago I cleaned up the diet and started doing cardio 4-5 days a week for an hour as well as working out 4-5 days a week. The fats coming off and I'm getting leaner, but still no six pack, even though I can feel a mean one under that stomach skin. I don't eat many carbs (under 100 a day) but the ones I consume mostly come from wheat bread, which I eat as toast with my breakfast in the morning and as a sandwich in the afternoon.

I can cut out the toast in the morning, but the sandwich in the afternoon is one of the main ways I get a large portion of my protein (turkey or chicken cold cuts). Could I substitute the 2 slices of bread for a wrap and reduce the carbs? What about Ezekiel bread? Any non wheat choices? Does gluten free make a difference?

Also, if I cut out the 4 slices of bread I have a day, I'm most likely going to enter ketosis? Besides a serving of fruit at some point during the day, it represents almost all my carbs.

I've heard good and bad about ketosis and not sure I want to go that route, mainly I'm concerned with feeling lethargic and I'm also sort of addicted to bread, if I could I'd eat like 8 slices a day.

My typical daily intake:

Breakfast- 4 whole eggs, olive oil and franks red hot, with green and red pepper, 2 slices whole grain bread.

Lunch - sandwich consisting of 6-8 oz of turkey or chicken breast, one slice of cheese, and greens, a little mayonnaise.

Dinner - 6-8 oz of chicken breast cooked in olive oil, most of the time with penko bread crumbs and a stir try sauce or organic tomato sauce, and a salad (spring mix or baby spinach with ranch or raspberry vinaigrette and a splash of olive oil)

Snacks - at some point I'll eat a serving or two of fruit as a snack, with organic honey.

I also take krill oil, drink plenty of water, and have 2 coffees a day with one sugar and coconut milk or cream as a last resort.

I'm sensitive to dairy (gives me cystic acne and fuks up my complexion) which is why I consume very little.

I let myself have a couple glasses of wine or a couple beers on Friday.

What kind of alterations can I make or is this looking pretty good for making lean gains and eventually getting a six pack/low bf%? I'm 5'7 135 lbs currently, I know it sounds skinny, but I have a narrower frame. I'd like to have a cut up, muscular athletic look, not the body builder look.

[Tail Gunner]

(09-12-2014 03:44 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

What kind of alterations can I make or is this looking pretty good for making lean gains and eventually getting a six pack/low bf%? I'm 5'7 135 lbs currently, I know it sounds skinny, but I have a narrower frame. I'd like to have a cut up, muscular athletic look, not the body builder look.

My opinion: remove bread from your diet completely, including the bread crumbs (although Ezekiel bread might be alright because it is made from sprouted grains rather than flour) and replace it with raw vegetables, especially leafy greens.

If you are that sensitive to dairy, remove it from your diet completely for three months. Then introduce it back into your diet slowly. If you still observe any symptoms, then either permanently remove it from your diet or get tested for gluten intolerance (most people who are gluten intolerant are also very sensitive to dairy, but they can often -- but not always -- reintroduce it into their diet after removing all gluten).

I would suggest that you make bread a treat on Friday only, just like beer or wine, provided that you stuck with your diet the rest of the week -- and only eat Ezekial bread.

Good luck.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

(09-03-2014 05:38 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:59 PM)slubu Wrote:  

..seeing naked more than my share of Eastern European girls.

They don't eat anything after 6:00 p.m.


maybe there is something to be said about Gio's recommendation of going to bed on an empty stomach.

You have seen it with your own eyes!

First hand experience often has the greatest effect on our understanding.

You only have to look at the bodies of those thin Eastern European girls to know that my advice is based off of years of first hand experience and trial and error.

*****

I'm not saying that it's bad to eat at night.

I'm saying that if you want to reduce your belly, eating at night is generally a bad idea.

(there are ways to limit your calories throughout the day, thus, allowing for more night time eating but I feel that that strategy is inferior to eating enough throughout the day to allow you to fast at night)

*****

Again, what has allowed me to reduce nearly all of my belly fat this summer was to cut out all processed foods, sugars, flour, etc., and for dinner, I eat only lean protein and vegetables, if I ate a lot of protein throughout the day, I may only have vegetables for dinner. (I am never hungry because I eat a lot of fish, chicken, or beef throughout the day)

This is why I have a 6 pack.

This is real world experience.

I have been experimenting with my own body since I was 12 years old. I am now 38.

Thin, Eastern European girls know these concepts very well.

Down 20 pounds this summer by only doing this...First hand experience

[Joga Bonito]

Interesting infograph I ran across

[Bill]

Diet must be 99,7 % perfect? If true, that´s why it´s so damn difficult.

Quote:

To achieve leanness so your six pack is clearly visible, your diet has to be 99.7% perfect. That 0.3% is occasional cookie or piece of birthday cake you have to have.

You can exercise for 3 years consistently and intensively, but if your diet is not almost perfect, you and nobody else will see your abs visible.

What you eat is not only important for achieving great leanness, it is also crucially important for your health.

Imagine yourself, that you are living 10 000 years ago. You live in the cave and now you are hungry. You get out of the cave and start looking for something to eat. You find some berry bushes full of berries, some apples and pears on the tree. You climb the tree and eat some apples and enjoy some berries too. Than you find some wild greens, nuts and if you are lucky, you catch a rabbit, turkey or fish for dinner. On the way back to the cave you stop at the creek to get some water. You cook the fish at home, have some greens and nuts with it and enjoy pear as a desert. Than you drink some water. And that is exactly how your diet should look like. A cave man diet is six- pack abs diet.

As a cave woman looking for food, you don’t find pizzas growing on trees or cupcakes growing on the ground or coke creek in the woods, or any candy bar trees. Those are all the bad foods modern society created and we are all surrounded by them. They taste good, they are addictive and very hard to resist. Yet some can resist it and you should too if you really care about your health and leanness.

http://www.milanstolicny.com/six-pack-ab...o-achieve/