[samsamsam]

I have been thinking about something for a bit - generated from all the info on here.

Let's take a 20 something year old girl (I hesitate using the word woman) and she likes to go to bars/clubs and let's say she is not that attractive - a 5. But she gets attention anyway (just the way it is these days) and does ONSs often and feels so wanted blah blah blah. She does this for 10 years and now she is in her 30s. And she stops getting the attention and she decides it's time to find a provider beta man and settle down. She has gotten it out of her system she thinks.

Don't forget to add a pinch of father issues, poorly educated, and liked watching "16 and Pregnant" while growing up.

Logically, that makes no sense to me. She spent years acting like a bitch and it is like muscle memory now. It is automatic. I get most guys on this board don't ever want to be married or have kids. I am starting to think that way a bit also. Or has some people have mentioned she will be bitter having settled for the beta man instead of the ex-con who made her wet. Let's not even start adding in the divorce aspects, etc. And it seems like you can never really trust a woman - unless you control the situation - but then she is just a pet.

So, logically, for any guys who want to marry - if you ever meet a woman who has been in the club scene or used to attention and seeks it, you sort of know it's too late. She is damaged goods.

For me it keeps seeming like the answer to find attractive relatively undamaged women is to go abroad. And even then you need to be careful.

I know for notches, just a night do what you gotta, I get it. But even then you need to be careful with all the false accusations/pyscho shit.

My logic off?

These two threads were the final straw for me today.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-23748.html
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-23747.html

[T and A Man]

You don't quite seem to get the 'a woman submits' and 'a man leads' thing.

A man improves himself to be someone capable of living and meaningful, prosperous life. A woman as a less useful, capable entity, sees a vehicle to acquire such interest and prosperity.

A man asserts he will continue to lead his life that way, and she must submit to that path.

'Submission' is not about losing agency of independence in respect to gender relations, it just means the force which is not dominant.

The man is dominant.

Not domineering, just dominant.

So what you've got to do, if you want to marry, is get the girl before shes into the club scene, before she's into the dysfunctional cultural forces that make he chase the risk of syphillis ahead of the risk of pregnancy.

Get her when she's young, and from a proper family and put her into the maternity ward before she can get into college. When getting her from a proper family, think from a prospective suitor side now how important it is to impress her father. They had it right in the past.

Otherwise you're having to overcome a whole bunch of competing forces, which are a structural and increasingly, legislative, disadvantage.

[samsamsam]

T and A Man,

Thanks for the reply. I am thinking my pet comment was a bit much. Trying to catch her before college would put her at around age 17/18. I just think at that age it might be hard to have any sort of sustained relationship - meaning she doesn't know anything (which I get is part of the point), but might be pretty boring other than banging a hot body teenager. Does have me thinking about what age would someone have some experience to be interesting but not so much that it is just a pain being around her.

[Icarus]

(05-10-2013 02:40 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

Does have me thinking about what age would someone have some experience to be interesting but not so much that it is just a pain being around her.

She can acquire sexual experience if you teach her how to please you. She can acquire traveling experience while traveling with you and the children she's birthed. She can read books after you've met her, she can cultivate herself. She does not have to be interesting when you meet her. Make her interesting.

Marry her at 18, get her pregnant right away so that she becomes a mother at 19. Pregnancy is the only known cure for woman's narcissism. Nietzsche had it right when he wrote:

Quote:

Everything about woman is a riddle, and everything about woman has a single solution: that is, pregnancy.

[Kabal]

No. The damage from being a former habitual club-whore is irreparable.

Seared forever in her brain are the memories of throwing on a slutty dress and high heels to soak up male attention from prancing around in a club.

Much less the memories of getting pump and dumped multiple times.

The only open question is but an academic one: whether this damage is psychological or neurological.

Jay-Z, Song Cry:
They say you can't turn a bad girl good
But once a good girl's goin bad, she's gone forever
I'll mourn forever

You can't put toothpaste back into the bottle.

[rudebwoy]

Why are you even concerned with a girl that is a 5, your goal in life is to be all that you can be.

[samsamsam]

Actually, I don't have any woman in mind. Just chose a "5" because even they seem to get attention in the US. Fuck even a fatty 1 still gets attention from some poor soul.

I am pretty clear if I ever get hitched it will be a foreigner and most likely will live where I find her.

[Kingsley Davis]

(05-10-2013 05:56 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Why are you even concerned with a girl that is a 5, your goal in life is to be all that you can be.

She passed the boner test.

[JimNortonFan]

Start learning languages and travel.

At least one guy here teaches English in a faraway land. He married a local woman who never went to college so he has to speak the local language to communicate with her.

If you do want to get married you can do the needle in a haystack thing here in the US, then possibly wake up one day to her going through an Eat Pray Love situation.

Or you can resolve to go overseas now.

Or you can be a player for life.

Or you can MGTOW.

Or you can wife a clubslut and become an MRA after she destroys your life.

[The Beast1]

You can still find chaste women. They are hard to find, but much like gold they appear in bunches.

I'm not religious, but I stumbled upon a huge untouched market of single, relatively normal, clean, non club whore girls at a local church in my town. The entire church is made up on twenty somethings and 30 year olds. Mostly women and of course whimpy beta men.

I walked in with my friend and it was like a warrior walking into a tribe lacking alpha men.

My relationship with god and religion is complicated (read IDGAF). But dang i've seen some really hot girls who are definitely down to putting out for a LTR, but are not club goers.

Either way, pump and dump the slutty ones. That's what they want, and utilize social circles to find the good girls. They're out there, but not in your typical places.

[rudebwoy]

The situation in USA/Canada is bad, but I have come to the conclusion that it is the men to blame. If Men are willing to date a 5 she will feel no need to change, if many Men show interest in her then she will not see herself as ugly or fat.
Women are entitled bitches because they are getting what they want, I could start a thread about guys I know and the shit they buy their girlfriends. It is too painful for me to put into words but I will do it one day.
All women now are waiting well beyong there expiry date to settle down, I have had sluts that I "dated" call me saying they want to have kids (one girl was 40).
Having seen the other side, I have no motivation to deal with these girls. Europe is a much easier ride than North America, alot of Euro dudes know how to treat their women and keep them in check.