[WestCoast]

(04-10-2013 09:48 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

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Selling out your manhood makes no sense if you're getting laid.

Yes it does. You are mimicking a woman to get closer to them because you're not enough of a man to overpower your targets.

Dress like a girl = Weak = Eventually taking some cock

You're doing the same thing over and over again. You are assuming that if a man dresses flamboyant he is therefore gay.

If I put you in white pants and a purple hat are you gay now? No.

Switch the question around, if I asked you to wear pink pants and a fuzzy hat for a mont to hit on chicks for $100K would you do it? To that question I say sure who gives a fuck.

[Aliblahba]

(04-10-2013 09:41 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

He was simply finding what works.

I can't take advice that on his quest to figure it out dressed like a feminine clown. All they were doing was trying to take away attention from their actual selves. Just like fat women caking on makeup and wearing horrid outfits.

(04-10-2013 09:41 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I would happily wear a ridiculous outfit if it works, because again I care about getting laid. Not what a dude thinks of me.

If a guy thinks you're gay, so will women. There is a difference between being a clown, and the guy whose frame is strong all the women in the bar want to talk to you. Guys then hate out of jealousy. Wearing Happy Bunny slippers and goggles will never get you into that frame.

[el mechanico]

(04-10-2013 09:54 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(04-10-2013 09:48 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

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Selling out your manhood makes no sense if you're getting laid.

Yes it does. You are mimicking a woman to get closer to them because you're not enough of a man to overpower your targets.

Dress like a girl = Weak = Eventually taking some cock

You're doing the same thing over and over again. You are assuming that if a man dresses flamboyant he is therefore gay.

If I put you in white pants and a purple hat are you gay now? No.

Switch the question around, if I asked you to wear pink pants and a fuzzy hat for a mont to hit on chicks for $100K would you do it? To that question I say sure who gives a fuck.

[WestCoast]

Again no logic is applied and you guys are hating on a guy whose worth millions and helped create even this forum.

The level of male hamster is crazy high.

I guess Hugh hef's flamboyant robes are cool though?

[el mechanico]

Maybe mystery's numbers are weak because he went that route. The girls that ooze sex aren't going to want any of that shit he'd be better off if he dressed like a construction worker if he didn't have the type of build that indicates that no way in hell has he ever done any physical labor.

[el mechanico]

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I guess Hugh hef's flamboyant robes are cool though

Which forums did he help create? I'll go and hate there too.

[WestCoast]

You're still doing the same thing and placing your world view of "manliness" on him.

If he was even more successful like Hugh Hefner this thread would be dead on the spot.

All you're trying to do is define manliness based on a style of dress which is irrelevant.

Same question again. I give you $100K to hit on chicks with pink pants you will take it. Why? Because wearing pink pants does not make you gay.

Just like Hugh's flaming robes, if he wore that and was not hugh you would call him a faggot as well. Applying dress to sexuality = unrelated.

[thegmanifesto]

Alright, I am going to break this guy down for all of you so this makes sense from Mystery's post.

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/sea...68&refine=

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Here is a generalization of the statistics of girl getting as a reference
for you to live up to.

Huh? Bad start. Who is trying to "live up to" a guy with goggles on his head?

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I go out 3 or 4 times a week as I'm very social and I really love the attention I get being surrounded by women. Its actually a fun thing to do, better than tv or a video game.

No sh*t. Thanks for the news flash.

Mystery...such an innovator. I can see why you guys like this cat.

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Girls overlap too. I mean, I could have 2 girlfriends who are very close to me and go out only 2 times a week for only an extra fuck every couple weeks. Over the course of the last 6 years, Ive fucked 56 girls (not all FUCKED, but sexual cum shoots so I call them fucking) so that is about 1 a month as an average.

Again, this line doesn't sound fishy to you guys?

How many girls did he actually swoop? Zero?

And honestly, what straight guy would ever say that?

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Of course some monthes I got no new girls because of long term relationships that only allow 2 girlfriends and no extra nookage.

"Nookage"?

Again, in what world does a straight guy say this?

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If morals get in your way with fucking girls this way and you want to haveonly one permanent girlfriend, I still suggest working hard in the getting #s phase cause many wont turn into rich relationships due to stupid shit like she lives too far or her job gets in the way or shcool or what have you. So get the #s and kiss the girls. You dont have to fuck them. Just obtain options for the future.

Wow. Now that sounds like a stone cold player.

What is this 7th grade advice?

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Pick up the pace guys. Lets here the stories you have to tell.

Mystery

Pick up what pace?

Who is this guy talking to?

(04-10-2013 10:05 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Again no logic is applied and you guys are hating on a guy whose worth millions and helped create even this forum.

The level of male hamster is crazy high.

Where do you get he is "worth millions"?

[soup]

I'd argue that bang outlines a pickup structure that is very much like Mystery Method, but it isn't written so formulaically.

Heartiste did a post about the difference between "masculine" and "feminine" game, and how the guys from the "The Game" were intentionally emulating the mannerisms of females. They were trying to flip the script with their attitudes and dress so that they'd be the seen as the center of attention in a room (hence peacocking). The also employed a kind of girly/playful banter with their targets.

The masculine version of game is what is mostly preached here. It's having the stereotypical John Wayne manly/alpha vibe that goes against the feminine energy instead of co-opting it. This seems to be what's in style around the game blogs now.

I wear white pants. Who said that white pants = gay?

[WestCoast]

Go look up his book sales and run the numbers

More LOL at the haters.

He also could very well have made the numbers lighter on purpose just so he could sell more books to losers who can't get laid. <-- real game and real sales.

But have fun trying to rationalize that he is gay if you are worth less than him, maybe that makes you feel better about your own life.

As usual.

The weak vilify the strong to make their lives more palatable.

Even on this forum we have the male rationalization hamster at work. Guy is famous + rich ... Hmm he must be gay! That's right that makes me feel better in the morning. LolzzzzssSszssds

And correct having just read bang it is similar to mystery, have not read mystery method but have read his posts before way back in 2007.

Again lol he's gay lolz I feel better lolzzzz.

Get real.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-10-2013 10:36 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

^^ go look up his book sales and run the numbers

Where?

Since you know he is "worth millions".

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Even on this forum we have the male rationalization hamster at work. Guy is famous + rich

I don't know what the f*ck you are talking about with hamsters and rodents, but it sounds like you have bought into a very typical way of thinking.

Not everyone wants to be famous. Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound like a little kid in the crowd watching your superstar, thinking "I wish I could be famous too one day..."

Not to mention if you think it is a good thing to be on a crappy "reality show", then we are on completely different sheets of music.

[WestCoast]

I will email you when I get home if you want.

Fine on the famous part, point still stands dude is successful and all we can do is attempt to label him as gay?

That's just nonsense and immature.

There is no difference in flamboyant robes and painted nails. If Hugh was famous for wearing painted nails instead of the robe, again this thread would be dead already.

Just reeking of insecurity to call a man gay with no back up.

[el mechanico]

Are you seriously bringing Jimi Hendrix into a conversation about Mystery?

[thegmanifesto]

(04-10-2013 10:39 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I will email you when I get home if you want.

Fine on the famous part, point still stands dude is successful and all we can do is attempt to label him as gay?

That was pretty easy to get you to back down off all your stances.

Yeah, back up the "worth millions" part.

Sounds like you are blindly putting some guy on the pedestal.

[WestCoast]

There is no pedestal. Just facts will email you today or tomorrow. At work.

Ran the numbers, he's a damn good marketing affiliate runner as well.

Again labeling some guy as a fag with no backing is just childish.

My stance has not changed in the slightest.

[soup]

(04-10-2013 10:41 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Are you seriously bringing Jimi Hendrix into a conversation about Mystery?

I am because it is clear that Mystery was trying to look like a rockstar. Neil Strauss said that when they'd go out, Mystery was peacocking so much and was wearing lifts that made him like 7' tall, and girls were opening him up instead of the other way around.

What I think is interesting is that here is a tall guy who had trouble getting with girls. Just goes to show that you still need game even if you have one of the sought after attributes.

[dotbiz]

This is peacocking and DHV. Mystery is a scholar.

[WestCoast]

For fun G since we won't even need to do much math.

1. The game sold over 300K copies at $28 a pop royalties in near 10-15%. That corp is set up as a tax shelter so max tax on that is 10%. Run that number that's only hard copies already at mil
2. TV show failure at two sets is another 1-200K
3. If you run eCopies of books we can at least assume half of e copies relative to hard copies were sold (this is an incredibly low estimate) that's another 2-300K
4. Look at all the blogs back circa 2005 all of those ads + click through (they were running a scam back then because if you clicked on it it flipped you to a sales page, however if you were google monitoring it the ads would flip to the real link, those being in $1 a click easy (god knows how many clicks he got from 2005-2010, undoubtedly a scary number
5. Layer in his own book on mystery method couldn't track down sales number lets assume it blew and only sold 10K copies with all his fame attached (that's straight profit as well, aforementioned tax shelter)
6. Now lets layer in all cash made on YouTube... I could go on and on and on...

It's merit less though even if someone has more money than him still stupid to hate because he did whatever it is that worked made money and is now set. If you are broke then its straight embarrassing to hate.

So we can go back and forth on his exact net with, but that's not really the issue here.

Either way that about does it you guys have my stance could care less if people agree/disagree and with that I'm out of this thead. If someone really wants I can spend real time going back through my computer to get more numbers.

Not sure how someone makes the nytimes best seller (yes I am combining at this point) and is broke. Just more stupidity based on guys trying to peg someone as gay. Pure embarrassment.

[thegmanifesto]

As usual, you are all over the map.

(04-10-2013 11:26 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

For fun G since we won't even need to do much math.

1. The game sold over 300K copies at $28 a pop royalties in near 10-15%. That corp is set up as a tax shelter so max tax on that is 10%. Run that number that's only hard copies already at mil

Mystery didn't write that. Strauss did. Wipe that one off.

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2. TV show failure at two sets is another 1-200K

Doubt that. Sounds very high. Link for proof?

Or more pedestalizing?

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3. If you run eCopies of books we can at least assume half of e copies relative to hard copies were sold (this is an incredibly low estimate) that's another 2-300K

Did he? Or are you just assuming again?

Still star struck?

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4. Look at all the blogs back circa 2005 all of those ads + click through (they were running a scam back then because if you clicked on it it flipped you to a sales page, however if you were google monitoring it the ads would flip to the real link, those being in $1 a click easy (god knows how many clicks he got from 2005-2010, undoubtedly a scary number

This is just false.

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5. Layer in his own book on mystery method couldn't track down sales number lets assume it blew and only sold 10K copies with all his fame attached (that's straight profit as well, aforementioned tax shelter)

Ah. No proof again.

And this is inaccurate. It is not "straight profit".

Many guys pay affiliates 50-80%.

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6. Now lets layer in all cash made on YouTube... I could go on and on and on...

Yeah, lets "layer it in".

How much?

So, basically you proved nothing let alone the guy is "worth millions".

You didn't account for any of his expenses either. Not to mention this is over a 15 year period. Doesn't seem like a lot of money, let alone a guy who you say is "worth millions".

I expected more from a so called "financial guy" on here.

The only thing you proved is you might be in love with the guy. That I won't take away from you.

I am hard pressed to think of another post on here riddled with so many errors and inaccuracies.

Your right. "Pure embarrassment."

[Aliblahba]

People in Cali live on a whole different level. They can't discern between reality and Hollywood. Their ultimate goal and dream is to be on t.v. It doesn't matter how fucked up celeb gets, Cali folk will defend them vehemently. Even if Betty White confessed to molesting little boys and selling crack to girl scouts, the argument will end with, "well, she made so many people happy, or, "bruh, celebs are allowed to fuck up, look at Lindsey, or, "well, you obviously don't know how hard it is to be famous. It takes a toll".

Damn near all the people I know out there can't just be themselves. EVERYTHING is hyped.

Me: Jose, what do you do for a living?
Jose: I cut grass.....but once I cut grass for Betty White's neighbor!!!!!!!

It's best not to argue with them. Let'em live in their bizarre altered state of reality, it's all they have to cling too. State taxes takes the rest.

[el mechanico]

Westcoast, you need to concentrate more on your posts man. That last one fell apart at the seams.

[Divorco]

Enough of the homophobia.

As described in the "Why do you think Paul Janka was so successful?" thread, both Janka and Mystery got massive numbers. Janka met women at his apartment and escalated immediately. But Mystery had a "seven to ten hour" rule with no guidance for SNL's. To his credit, Mystery wrote about "freeze outs" to overcome last minute resistance. But I never read about Mystery ending dates early, kicking women out of his apartment, or postponing a sure-thing in favor of more convenient inventory. Mystery was strong on opening, but weak on closing.

This matters because Mystery bolsters his advice by boasting of success. Mystery's outlandish attire might have actually worked for him in L.A. clubs. Or maybe he could have done better by working out and dressing normal. Who knows? More importantly, this stuff won't necessarily work for his students in other environments. Some students could even get discouraged because they suspect Mystery got 56 women per year. Instead, Mystery got 9 per year. Considering that he went out 3-4 nights per week, that is comparable to Roosh's recommendation of going out 2 nights per week and getting 3-8 per year.

[el mechanico]

Divorco how many forum members do you think Mystery could beat in an arm wrestle?
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Mani-pedi

[soup]

From what I understand, Mystery was one of the first guys to breakdown not just how to do it, but why the game works. Sure there were other guru guys out there before him, but I think Mystery might have connected game to evo-psych.

[Aliblahba]

I think arm wrestling is illegal in California.