[Blaster]

(04-01-2013 04:05 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I will ask one more time since no one is taking the bait.

Where is the femininity in these girls you guys keep yapping about?

I have never been to Ukraine and it's been 10 years since I've been to Poland, I am not speaking from much experience so am not going to agree or disagree. I don't yap about the femininity of girls from Eastern Europe. But here are my thoughts:

1. I have a Slavic friend, and asked him about femininity of the girls in his home country, without using that word specifically. His perspective was that girls in his home country are thinner and almost always much better dressed than American girls. He's waxed nostalgic about certain cities on numerous occasions, without my prompting. But he also says that the girls are also very often selfish, ignorant, pushy, demanding and devious. Most have nothing interesting to talk about as many of the smarter, brighter girls have emigrated or expatriated to a western country with a higher standard of living. He uses variants of 'dumb' and 'stupid' a lot however I tend to take that with a grain of salt since he tends to apply those labels to people quickly if they don't show interest in the same topics he does. It seems to me that girls he describes tend to be more accepting of traditional domestic female gender roles, but does not make a connection between those roles and "femininity" in general.

2. A sensational talk show is probably not the best place to look for femininity. The environment seems designed to bring out conflict and arguments. Extraverted, strong-willed, argumentative girls are never going to appear feminine but they are great for stirring up shit on a reality show. It's notable that Ukraine can find girls of this type who are still thin and beautiful. In the US they tend to be meaty hags. Meanwhile, any truly feminine women onlookers are likely to be distressed by all the verbal conflict and won't be sitting there wearing a sweet, pleasing smile. So if they are there, we won't see them. Meanwhile the aspiring models and Max's pregnant sidekick, who seems to be a media personality herself, are probably not a representative sample.

That said, the girl in the red dress seemed relatively feminine despite the fact that she was claiming to want to sue Roosh

[uni]

How come MAX was not arrested ? After all, he is doing sequestration of persons , and breaks so many laws that I just don't get it how come he is still free ?

[Tuthmosis]

Finally saw the clip with subtitles.

Basically everything everyone already said, plus: it's interesting how the international languages of white-knighting and cockblocking needn't any translation. It's amazing how universal those impulses are. There were several instances of each throughout the show.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the world is a cockblocker.

[iknowexactly]

(04-02-2013 01:19 AM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Finally saw the clip with subtitles.

Basically everything everyone already said, plus: it's interesting how the international languages of white-knighting and cockblocking needn't any translation. It's amazing how universal those impulses are. There were several instances of each throughout the show.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the world is a cockblocker.

100%-- crabs in a bucket is universal, to be successful is to be hated,
there seem to be no exceptions except Roy Rogers and Bing Crosby.

[tiggaling]

(04-01-2013 07:05 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

To me they seemed like a bunch of decently hot, cold hookers.

You can't find that on a quick flight to Las Vegas.

Am I missing something here?

I agree, they look like average sort of hookers, with unappealing personalities.

I've never to be Ukraine, but the females I've met from there do often seem to have "mental and weird" personalities. Russian girls seem more charming and outgoing to me.

Not all Russian girls are stoney and icey, that's a cliche about the women and men, and sure some of them are; but you really need to go there to find out for yourself and meet the many different types.

These girls are often considered about hottest in the world - and that is for a good reason. Going to Russia was a huge "game changer" for me.

Beauty that is very, very rare in America is relatively common in Russia, and often without the huge bitchey attitude problems you have with super attractive females in the west. Russian women typically like to cultivate inner beauty as well, and their feminine culture is very advanced - but these roses have thorns too, and I guess a lot of Americans, are not going to easily get or appreciate the profound difference in culture.

[durangotang]

I watched it without subtitles and now with subtitles. It took a lot of balls to go on that show Roosh and you handled yourself well. I can't imagine how nervous you were going into it. Nice frame control.

[tjuan]

I like the part around 10:00 "So he was nice and lied to you" and Roosh is smiling and nodding, hehe. I guess Bert is out.
Good body language and attitude throughout the show, nice suit too.. an example of how not getting worked up like the others leaves you in control.. stay calm and cool. Has the OWN network called yet??

[Greek kamaki]

To give you a perspective let's see if you saw these girls in a Kiev club:
1.Girl in red would cost nothing.
2.The blonde in black dress would cost a total of 500 euro(sushi meal+expensive cocktails+perfume+mobile phone_
3.The brunette could be have had with about 800 euro.(mobile phone+boots+perfume+sushi meal+cocktails).
Generally the more they spend on appearance the more you have to pay as well.

Of course you cannot get straight to her and tell her ''doll I am going to buy you a mobile phone and pay for a sushi meal and cocktails if you give me a BJ'' you have to do this diplomatically.In these negotiations she will try to oversell herself above of the real market value.You have to show you know the real prices in this negotiation dance.(a hardcore Greek method is to put 50 euro banknotes between the girls breasts all feel comfortable with this warmth of money but Ukrainian women will think you are a durak(fool) if you do that,that you are a chicken to be taken off his wings completely by them so you should reserve this method for polish girls who are usually amazed by the display of such generosity and reciprocate with big smile and letting a whole lot of advances).

[thegmanifesto]

(04-02-2013 02:46 AM)tiggaling Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 07:05 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

To me they seemed like a bunch of decently hot, cold hookers.

You can't find that on a quick flight to Las Vegas.

Am I missing something here?

I agree, they look like average sort of hookers, with unappealing personalities.

I've never to be Ukraine, but the females I've met from there do often seem to have "mental and weird" personalities. Russian girls seem more charming and outgoing to me.

Not all Russian girls are stoney and icey, that's a cliche about the women and men, and sure some of them are; but you really need to go there to find out for yourself and meet the many different types.

These girls are often considered about hottest in the world - and that is for a good reason. Going to Russia was a huge "game changer" for me.

Beauty that is very, very rare in America is relatively common in Russia, and often without the huge bitchey attitude problems you have with super attractive females in the west. Russian women typically like to cultivate inner beauty as well, and their feminine culture is very advanced - but these roses have thorns too, and I guess a lot of Americans, are not going to easily get or appreciate the profound difference in culture.

I agree that they are beautiful. That is not my issue.

Their personalities are horrible.

And I just don't see the "femininity" that guys yap about day in and day out on here.

I have seen more "feminine" girls at the Spearmint Rhino in Vegas.

Serious.

I just don't get the hype.

I wonder if the people that are claiming it is a great place are just comparing it to hell holes in America and that is why they are so bonkers about it.

The "I got zero girls in America, but now I get girls to look at me in Ukraine phenomenon".

[Samseau]

(03-31-2013 09:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

8. I don't really see the "femininity" of those that you guys are constantly yapping about. They seemed hard, unfriendly, cold and somewhat evil. Sure they wear heels, but do any of them even smile? Say anything remotely interesting? Seem like they enjoy life at all? Seem to be positive people? No to all of those.

What gives?

Again, maybe it's just me, and my background and personality don't lend itself well to that part of the world (we have discussed this a few times on here), but hell, f*ck that place.

Again, I will take tropical beaches, warm water and girls in bikinis over that spot any day.

I really don't get the appeal.

Can you still smoke in bars in that country?

Because that might be the only reason I ever visit.

Ah come on G, isn't it obvious? Most of the show was staged. They purposely found people hostile to Roosh or misled the audience into being hostile towards Roosh. It is impossible to conclude anything about Ukrainian women from that show.

G aren't you from California bro? Out of all the men on this board I thought you would understand the TV biz better than anyone else here.

THEY NEED DRAMA or else they won't get as high TV ratings so it wouldn't make sense to have a friendly feel-good session of people chatting about banging and living the good life. That wouldn't sell. Otherwise this forum would get it's own TV show.

So that's why all of the women on that show were bitchy and rude, it was all designed to be that way in order to generate more $$$$$drama$$$$$.

Things that were 100% staged:

- Girl accusing Roosh of trying to pick her up on the street (LOL at how bad her story was).
- Some of the audience members who were questioned were determined way way way in advance, it's obvious with the Red-haired chick (who was pretty damn good looking but too heavy with makeup) as the camera kept focusing on her before she even spoke.
- The girl threatening to sue Roosh (chick in red dress).

Oh my god, I need to pause for a second here. That shit was HILARIOUS. Dude, according to the translation she was reading the Constitution of Ukraine!??? What the fuckkkkk does that have to do with ANYTHING?? That poor girl had no fucking idea what she was doing, pretending to be all legalistic with the papers in her lap, HAHAHAHAHAHA GTFO.

They TV show probably contacted her on the phone, telling her that "someone was using her photo on a sex-tourist website" (a lie designed to get her enraged) and, because she didn't know any English or know anyone else who knew Roosh, trusted the TV show without ever having read anything or done any research. And then to top it off they gave her a constitution she could pretend to read. LMAO talk about banana republic. Fuckin North Korea shit right there.

That segment was so funny and ridiculous I had to pause the vid just to catch my breath.


Things that were designed to incite drama:

- Bringing Roosh's old couch surfing pal (Roosh I thought you got banned off couchsurfing you liar???)

By the way, I don't blame this couch-surfing guy for throwing Roosh under the bus... Roosh you did lie to him about a few things, I'm sure he was a little salty about that.

- They didn't talk to a single man in the audience (the guy who called the girl too ugly to be a prostitute was part of show, a regular simon cowell type figure of the show).

- And of course the sex tourist hunter... damn that guy was something else. Poor dude was so confused on so many things. But yes he was brought on that show because it made for good TV ratings.

[Roosh]

Quote:

- Bringing Roosh's old couch surfing pal (Roosh I thought you got banned off couchsurfing you liar???)

I have multiple couchsurfing accounts.

G's thoughts on this thread are reminding me of Mixx, who would go on some club sites of a city and declare whether it was good or not. I don't have any specific counter argument for G, but out of most countries I went, Ukrainian girls were most girly, and most concerned with their appearance. If they are not feminine, who is?

Ukraine is not easy to crack, so I can't fault a man who makes up his mind that it sucks so he doesn't have to attempt it when he already knows many good spots. I do that myself a bit.

[tiggaling]

(04-01-2013 07:05 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And I just don't see the "femininity" that guys yap about day in and day out on here.

You should go there. It is something to experience and not see. And you have to meet the right girl that suits you and then the experience of femininity is something like, "This is how its supposed to be! I've been shafted!!!"

[RouteBackwards]

(04-01-2013 05:07 PM)Blaster Wrote:  

(04-01-2013 04:05 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I will ask one more time since no one is taking the bait.

Where is the femininity in these girls you guys keep yapping about?

1. I have a Slavic friend, and asked him about femininity of the girls in his home country, without using that word specifically. His perspective was that girls in his home country are thinner and almost always much better dressed than American girls. He's waxed nostalgic about certain cities on numerous occasions, without my prompting. But he also says that the girls are also very often selfish, ignorant, pushy, demanding and devious. Most have nothing interesting to talk about as many of the smarter, brighter girls have emigrated or expatriated to a western country with a higher standard of living. He uses variants of 'dumb' and 'stupid' a lot however I tend to take that with a grain of salt since he tends to apply those labels to people quickly if they don't show interest in the same topics he does. It seems to me that girls he describes tend to be more accepting of traditional domestic female gender roles, but does not make a connection between those roles and "femininity" in general.

I must note though, most slavic gentlemen I have been friends with or met gave me the impression that they are generally manly gentlemen with a soft side, but that coincides perfectly well with women from their home country in general as they are always quick to put a girl in their place. However, when they realize all the work they have to put in for a north american woman, and realize how unfeminine they are in terms of gender roles after sex happens and after dating occurs, they can't fathom keeping them around beyond sex and yearn for the motherly caring that a slavic woman would give them.

That's the impression I've got from the slavic gentlemen I've befriended anyways.

[thegmanifesto]

(04-02-2013 09:26 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Ah come on G, isn't it obvious? Most of the show was staged. They purposely found people hostile to Roosh or misled the audience into being hostile towards Roosh. It is impossible to conclude anything about Ukrainian women from that show.

Fair enough.

I am using the show as an example because it is something we all can see and be on the same page.

But those girls on the show are very in line personality wise with girls I have have met in person.

So yeah, they wear high heels. Do they smile? Enjoy life? Are they happy? Laugh? I haven't seen that.

(04-02-2013 09:33 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

- Bringing Roosh's old couch surfing pal (Roosh I thought you got banned off couchsurfing you liar???)

I have multiple couchsurfing accounts.

G's thoughts on this thread are reminding me of Mixx, who would go on some club sites of a city and declare whether it was good or not. I don't have any specific counter argument for G, but out of most countries I went, Ukrainian girls were most girly, and most concerned with their appearance. If they are not feminine, who is?

Ukraine is not easy to crack, so I can't fault a man who makes up his mind that it sucks so he doesn't have to attempt it when he already knows many good spots. I do that myself a bit.

Yeah, I guess I am trying to disqualify myself a little. I admit I am guilty of that.

I think it is only natural for our lifestyle to think that there is always a better place.

And there are probably 50 comments a day on the forum saying "You should never spend another minute in America. Move to Ukraine now!! It is the greatest place on earth! You don't even know beauty or femininity until you have made the commitment to live the rest of your life in Ukraine! You are an idiot for even ever stepping foot in America! Ukraine! Ukraine! Ukraine!"

So it kind of makes you wonder what all the hype is about.

And it makes you wonder whether you have been living your whole life completely wrong.

[Locksmith]

Great job Roosh!

You handled the circus very well.

[soup]

(04-02-2013 10:40 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(04-02-2013 09:26 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Ah come on G, isn't it obvious? Most of the show was staged. They purposely found people hostile to Roosh or misled the audience into being hostile towards Roosh. It is impossible to conclude anything about Ukrainian women from that show.

Fair enough.

I am using the show as an example because it is something we all can see and be on the same page.

But those girls on the show are very in line personality wise with girls I have have met in person.

(04-02-2013 09:33 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

- Bringing Roosh's old couch surfing pal (Roosh I thought you got banned off couchsurfing you liar???)

I have multiple couchsurfing accounts.

G's thoughts on this thread are reminding me of Mixx, who would go on some club sites of a city and declare whether it was good or not. I don't have any specific counter argument for G, but out of most countries I went, Ukrainian girls were most girly, and most concerned with their appearance. If they are not feminine, who is?

Ukraine is not easy to crack, so I can't fault a man who makes up his mind that it sucks so he doesn't have to attempt it when he already knows many good spots. I do that myself a bit.

Yeah, I guess I am trying to disqualify myself a little. I admit I am guilty of that.

I think it is only natural for our lifestyle to think that there is always a better place.

And there are probably 50 comments a day on the forum saying "You should never spend another minute in America. Move to Ukraine now!! It is the greatest place on earth! You don't even know beauty or femininity until you have made the commitment to live the rest of your life in Ukraine! You are an idiot for even ever stepping foot in America! Ukraine! Ukraine! Ukraine!"

So it kind of makes you wonder what all the hype is about.

And it makes you wonder whether you have been living your whole life completely wrong.

I think this comes down to class. Working class girls the world over are in general not so elegant. Bad make-up, tacky dress, etc. It's like the guido thing. They have no class. This is true with a lot Polish that moved to brooklyn.

[kenny_powers]

(04-02-2013 10:49 AM)soup Wrote:  

I think this comes down to class. Working class girls the world over are in general not so elegant. Bad make-up, tacky dress, etc. It's like the guido thing. They have no class. This is true with a lot Polish that moved to brooklyn.

You know what American girl is hotter and has more class than all those U girls on the show combined?

This one -
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-22361.html

[Greek kamaki]

Actually Ukraine is very easy because the girls there tell you exactly what they want.They suppose you are ignorant.In CR and less in Poland you have to guess because culture prohibits them from telling directly.
After Ukraine I applied my knowledge I got from the local women on polish and czech females and the results were amazing.
As for class Ukrainian girls do not have it except some girls in Kiev.They generally have primitive, village manners.Polish girls are the same very close to village mentality(very simple).This makes many of them non presentable in serious environments.Russian girls are the opposite they can appear high class(sophisticated) in every environment despite being the biggest whores.Russian girls are completely presentable and use it to their advantage.

[durangotang]

G, you are always talking of rolling with the jet-set crowd and competing with billionaires, athletes, and other heavy hitters - swooping at high end clubs. Well, I have a challenge for you. You seem to have he rest of the world from North America, to South America, to Europe down as far as game is concerned. Why not give Moscow a shot. A lot of guys who could afford to live anywhere live in Moscow:

Moscow Beats New York, London In List Of Billionaire Cities [Forbes 2012]

The consensus seems to be that Ukraine is Russia lite. So why not go to the granddaddy of them all, Moscow, spend at least a month there and let us know from experience what you think of Slavic women. Crack it. I am sure that your breakdown of the Moscow nightlife would be legendary on this forum.

With a challenge like Moscow staring you in the face, how many more times can you go to Barcelona, Miami, or Montreal where you have been there, done that?

[thegmanifesto]

durang -

It is not like I love going to expensive places. That is why I always ask about these cheaper places. Hell, I would love to find a cheaper place on earth that I like. I could probably retire in a few years if that were the case.

Moscow appeals to me on certain levels, but on many levels it doesn't. Ukraine would be cheaper so that is why I "try to get to the bottom of it" so to speak.

The "challenge" aspect also appeals to me on some levels.

But I would have to learn Russian. At least a little. When I went to Latvia, I got in three fights in my first week, so I have not intentions of repeating that.

[Spike]

Respect for going on a show like this. They really tried to grill you from all sides.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

Thanks for the amazing video Roosh.

I learnt more from this video than from any so-called 'pickup' video.

In the Ukraine TV interview, Uncle Roosh taught us the following:
- The importance of style and being the best dressed man in the room
- The importance of maintaining frame
- How to dismiss trolls, negs and cockblockers
- The importance of looking like you're having a good time, the importance of laughing
- How to carry yourself with your body language even when under attack

All very important lessons.

[alphaspiraton]

(03-31-2013 09:52 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ok. I watched the whole thing.

Some final thoughts:

5. Those people were awful. The only likable person in the video was Roosh. (Who did a very impressive job on this for a first TV appearance.)I wouldn't hang out with the rest of them if you paid me.

6. The coolest girl was also the ugliest. Correction: The only semi-cool girl was the ugliest. The matchmaker girl. She actually had Roosh's back.

7. The "lawsuit girl" and the other super hot dark haired girl? Hell, if you want to meet b*tches like that, can't one just take a flight to Washington, DC?

Now I am going to rip the lid off this thing:

8. I don't really see the "femininity" of those that you guys are constantly yapping about. They seemed hard, unfriendly, cold and somewhat evil. Sure they wear heels, but do any of them even smile? Say anything remotely interesting? Seem like they enjoy life at all? Seem to be positive people? No to all of those.

What gives?

Again, maybe it's just me, and my background and personality don't lend itself well to that part of the world (we have discussed this a few times on here), but hell, f*ck that place.

Again, I will take tropical beaches, warm water and girls in bikinis over that spot any day.

I really don't get the appeal.

Can you still smoke in bars in that country?

Because that might be the only reason I ever visit.

Still throwing out gems onto this forum. The more older I get the more my thoughts align with yours.

[GenJx]

mad respect to roosh for going on that stage and doing what he does best

[pozdnyshev]

(04-01-2013 04:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

G: Dasha is the biggest attention whore in Kiev... not sure if she's a good basis for comparison.

The guy who sold me out was all smiles after the show, asking to take pictures with me. I didn't care, really. I went out with him at night only twice so I didn't consider him a true friend.

Irina's hair is fucking amazing, but her face is buttery up close and she's thicker than the photos seem to show. She's very good with makeup.

Roosh, Irina just posted about her appearance on vkontakte:

http://vk.com/irysyk_horyn?w=wall15047574_8222