[Easy_C]

I will admit to being the same way in most cases. Now that I am reacclimating to American social scenes I can't help but to be extremely unimpressed with the majority of American women.

Best advice I can give is to watch how they are when they drink. It doesn't take much for the real woman to come out in most cases and all of our native US women turned into obnoxious, frumpy messes. Noticeably the only one who remained pleasant and attractive was the Vietnamese girl, who also happened to be in noticeably better shape....and tattoo free. I also fully support the classic ROK article describing the signs of a slut.

One reason I pray nothing ever happens to my wife(American, but from a large and very traditional family) is that the thought of going back to regular American women after being with her is enough to make me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

Not that good ones don't exist. They are just very hard to find because they know how much 21st century America accepts their values and have retreated into their own enclaves......so look in all the places you would expect people with that attitude to congregate. Examples include book clubs, Orhodox dating sites and churches, pro-life groups, and the like.

[Repo]

@Black Knight

Why don't you just get a vasectomy or wear a condom if you are that afraid of knocking a chick up? To me it seems your position is an overreaction.

[The Black Knight]

(09-04-2016 08:57 AM)Repo Wrote:  

@Black Knight

Why don't you just get a vasectomy or wear a condom if you are that afraid of knocking a chick up? To me it seems your position is an overreaction.

Vasectomy?

I should have to sterilize myself due to fucked up child support laws? That's ridiculous. There is also issues with failed vasectomies and an alarming incident rate with post-operative permanent pain. Also, kids are still on the table for me. So, that's a no-go.

Condoms?

Not bullet proof, feels way less pleasurable AND if you are banging a chick steady, gets really old pretty quick.

My position and perspective values maintaining my bank account, freedom, and autonomy for two decades over risking all of the aforementioned to just get a nut in one evening. An unwanted kid is an enormous burden and affects any man's life in tremendous ways. Professional, socially, and financially. It can be overcome no doubt but it's still a major hurdle to deal with.

For example:

1. Maybe you meet that 9+ and she was ready to settle down with you but oh, you have a kid? She's not interested now. We don't like single moms; why would a high-value women want to deal with a single dad all things being equal?

2. Want to take a job in another state? Sorry, court says mom doesn't have to work with you regarding visitation.

3. You or mom lives in uncapped child support state? Got a new job that pays 50k more? Mom is gonna get her unfair cut.

If I'm gonna get my nut, it's going to be with the lowest risk/highest value chick possible to mitigate any possible fallout. I have seen first hand countless times guys have an accident baby with a vindictive cunt; it's not pretty. Not in the slightest. Even if she's not vindictive today, she can flip the next day and likely will when the system incentivizes her to engage in unfair behavior.

In other parts of the world, you can just tell the girl to go fuck herself if she's being unreasonable. In the majority of the western world, she can use the legal system to put your life and balls in a vice grip. Only the most altruistic and level-headed of women (a very small minority) will not be tempted to abuse the hell out of the system to fuck you over. When a woman has checked out, they generally give zero fucks about you and have no concept of fair play. Until the system is changed (child support laws becoming more reasonable) and/or a bullet-proof way to prevent pregnancy comes about (maybe Vasalgal), every men in America/most of the western world is taking a big gamble with their life when they jizz around a chick. That's not hyperbole; that's reality.

So, I would not call my point of view an overreaction. I'm thinking with my big head above all else, recognizing the reality on the ground, and playing first and foremost for the long-game. But to each and their own.

[Phoenix]

^ Just remember though, you're going to die one day anyway. When you do, all that will be left of you is your progeny. Worth keeping that in perspective.

[Easy_C]

Quote:

If I'm gonna get my nut, it's going to be with the lowest risk/highest value chick possible to mitigate any possible fallout. I have seen first hand countless times guys have an accident baby with a vindictive cunt; it's not pretty. Not in the slightest. Even if she's not vindictive today, she can flip the next day and likely will when the system incentivizes her to engage in unfair behavior.

In other parts of the world, you can just tell the girl to go fuck herself if she's being unreasonable. In the majority of the western world, she can use the legal system to put your life and balls in a vice grip. Only the most altruistic and level-headed of women (a very small minority) will not be tempted to abuse the hell out of the system to fuck you over. When a woman has checked out, they generally give zero fucks about you and have no concept of fair play. Until the system is changed (child support laws becoming more reasonable) and/or a bullet-proof way to prevent pregnancy comes about (maybe Vasalgal), every men in America/most of the western world is taking a big gamble with their life when they jizz around a chick. That's not hyperbole; that's reality.

So, I would not call my point of view an overreaction. I'm thinking with my big head above all else, recognizing the reality on the ground, and playing first and foremost for the long-game. But to each and their own

Being selective who you sleep with isn't MGTOW. It's called having standards and being smart.

The only way to react I believe is to work around the fringes of the system to find women who aren't completely integrated into the main system.


Besides which giving up on women in favor of porn isn't really MGTOW. If I had been hearing the phrase for the first time I would be picturing something like this:



Nobody identifying as a "MGTOW" has jack shit on guys like that. While their "going their own way" is usually limited to giving up on trying to get laid, guys like this one truly have done so and have checked out of the system entirely.

[The Black Knight]

(09-04-2016 02:19 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

^ Just remember though, you're going to die one day anyway. When you do, all that will be left of you is your progeny. Worth keeping that in perspective.

Right. Hence why I said I'm focused on the long-game. Long-game = successfully building a great family unit. A bastard kid with a vindictive baby mama that forces me via the government to give her 25-35% of my income for two decades doesn't help that goal.

(09-04-2016 02:27 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Being selective who you sleep with isn't MGTOW. It's called having standards and being smart.

The only way to react I believe is to work around the fringes of the system to find women who aren't completely integrated into the main system.

That or you go to a place where the system is less fucked up and doesn't reward women who engage in vindictive behavior. Again, even if a woman is good now, you have little protection if she decides to flip down the line and has an Eat, Pray, Fuck epiphany and take you to the cleaners. This happens with some frequency with guys who bring back foreign women to the US; water takes shape of its container and all that jazz. You CAN do pre-nups/post-nups and limit your sexual activity to states with reasonable child support laws but these aren't bullet proof solutions; only layers of protection. In the end though to be honest, that's probably what I'll do: move to the right state and get a ironclad pre-nup and post-nup and just roll the dice. That way, I can mitigate most of the fallout.

Real bullet-proof solutions that should exist and would restore some of men's leverage for casual banging would be:

1. 100% effective male birth control
2. Two-party consent requirement to bring a pregnancy to term
3. Hard universal low caps across all states on child support
4. No child support for illegitimate/out of wedlock children.

In America, we have none of the aforementioned. And because of that, we incentivize women to engage in vindictive behavior at the expense of men. A lot guys will roll the dice casually banging hoes and nothing will ever happen to them but it only takes one bad break to derail things big league. It would be nice if one could casually bang same hoes for fun with minimal risk but the stakes are too high now in the event something goes sideways. It's a good thing ultimately since it reinforces actions that contribute to targeting only high quality chicks anyway.

[debeguiled]

(09-04-2016 02:27 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Nobody identifying as a "MGTOW" has jack shit on guys like that. While their "going their own way" is usually limited to giving up on trying to get laid, guys like this one truly have done so and have checked out of the system entirely.

Plus, if you can truly get it together enough to live off grid like that, there is a subset of women who would be happy to join you. Maybe not 10's, but at least they know how to pluck a chicken.

[RexImperator]

Article in The Independent:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/...30276.html

The Independent Wrote:

Inside the world of men who've sworn never to sleep with women again

[dies irae]

If there's anything that will lead to the collapse of western civilization, it's this.

Private Man's comment on the other thread is spot on:

thread-58697...pid1412145

Since all women are attracted to the top men, in any society there will always be a large group of men that can't get women.

There has to be systems to keep these men from revolting because they are still men and they will want women.

Islam prevented this revolt by promising these men young virgins after life.

Western civilization successfully implemented monogamy so that these men got some pussy without needing to die and go to heaven.

While the muslim men who didn't get pussy in this life didn't revolt, they spent their time worshipping god and praying in the hopes of getting pussy after they die and go to heaven.

On the other hand, monogamy allowed the lesser civilized men to have some pussy in real life, so these men stayed productive.

That's why western civilization overpowered islamic empires.

Beta males produced and the system thrived.

Now, the values that made western civilization dominate the world is thrown out of the window. So, these men started outing themselves from the work force.

Without these men doing the hard work, western civilization will collapse.

[N°6]

Probably the most eye-opening 'red pill' that I swallowed was that monogamy was actually to the benefit of the vast majority of men and that despite the boom in the supply of sex, it distribution avenues are towards men in the top fifth of society, causing higher levels of involuntary celibacy elsewhere.

Democracy boasts that it gives "one man, one vote" but before the democratic era, the vast majority of men operated in a system of "one man, one wife". It seems therefore that men have been given spurious democratic rights but had their demographic rights removed (i.e. cuckoldry). This leads to childless men supporting unknown women's abortions and costs to bring up bastards through a welfare state that causes women to be net consumers of men's productive labour.