[Thailand_Veteran]

(12-16-2013 02:42 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Another problem in Germany is the non existent customer service and the low quality goods they are trying to get you to buy.You cannot find in any case the abudance you get in Athens where all trade marks are present except in Berlin and some very big cities.Germany is generally not pleasant at all like a place of industry while Greece is a holidays country. In Germanic concept of economy,allowance of free competition causes poverty.Forbid of competition and laws for everything are guarantess for social stability and prosperity.
I do not understand how we Greeks got tied in this very non beneficial scheme totally out of our mentality.

Thats an interesting post - dont you fear the hordes of Germans on their way to emigrate to the wonderful country of Greece soon?

Prada and Gucci stores in every village, all people driving around in their brand new Porsche and Mercedes cars. Made in Greece of course

I dont know your background - but all threads I read regarding Germany, there is always you constantly emphasizing, how bad everything is. Unfriendly people, stories about SS occupation....I really dont know to what kind of people you have talked here.

Actually I lived half of my life outside of Germany, many people say I am not typical German anymore. I agree that the country has definately its negative sides, as any country does. However, the feedback regarding Germany I get when living abroad is usually a lot different to your view.

[Greek kamaki]

The Germans are generally stingy they do not like spending on brand names.It is one of the few countries where people buy used clothes!Generally there is a lack of esthetics I mean no girl in Mediterranean or slavic countries would dare to circulate so bad dressed and without make up as German girls do.There is ugliness directly in your face.What they call here other priorities.Simply difficult to put up witg if you come from another background.

I do not deny the superiority of Germans in technique,brutal dominance in intelligence,organization,construction,cleanliness etc.It is just not a pleasant country for Mediterranean people there is a reason why Germans travel to us for vacations and not vice versa.

Generally it is difficult for a Greek to think like a German they see things completely from another point of view.There are so many differrences in how we think I could write a book.Germans are very practical-realistic people.

A big difference for example has to do with help.If I see that a colleague has problem in sth I will help him.I will also cover him.The Germans provide no cover.They want you to take responsibility for your actions.If I see a colleague doing sth wrong I will never report him by Greek mentality.Otherwise I will be called a nail.In Germany everyone takes pleasure in reporting you.The system just functions otherwise.
Other difference is in worktime.In Greece you take all the action on yourself so there are no really defined work hours.In Germany people want to work in the hours predicted by law.This is good because in Germany they regard us Greeks as hard workers.They do not like the maximization and overworking mentality though.

There is one big similarity though between us and Germans we both get how things really work.
For example at the work today I had a Greek collegue complaining about how shitty things are in Germany.I told him:You should not complain.You are a Greek.Slavs complain and cry all the time.We never complain.We are supposed to get the job done.As a Greek you have to get the job done despite all obstacles.What we call ''love for honour'' there is a Greek word for that.

[capote]

To add to Kamaki's observations, I feel that German society puts a big emphasis on conformance: anyone who stands out in any way - appearance, behavior, opinions, origins etc. is instantly compartmentalized and made aware of his uniqueness. This really shapes their mindset from an early age. For example, in their attitudes towards auslanders of certain countries etc..

[Frank]

(12-17-2013 03:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The Germans are generally stingy they do not like spending on brand names.It is one of the few countries where people buy used clothes!Generally there is a lack of esthetics I mean no girl in Mediterranean or slavic countries would dare to circulate so bad dressed and without make up as German girls do.There is ugliness directly in your face.What they call here other priorities.Simply difficult to put up witg if you come from another background.

I've only been around North Germany so far. In my experience (both cities had many students, one of which is small and practically a "university town"), the girls are quite attractive, dress nicely, and almost always wear make up. Can't really complain.

[Sourcecode]

Again..are you living in the former DDR or only meeting people in their 50s
I have never heard of German being stereotyped as buying used clothes.
I have noted Germans being stingy in things like tips,because it is completely out of their culture. Price,tax an tip has always been built into price.
When It comes it buying things..Ive only noticed Germans in both the north and south buying top notch shit. They wont buy it unless the can buy a good one..their are no cheap trinkets in German.
If anything, Every German I know,that takes trips outside of the state comes back with clothes.
Its much cheaper to buy clothes outside germany because of the taxes.
And yes...its all name brand clothes.
Germans travel outside of the country because they like to think themselves as cultured, and see the world. Greek economy lets damn near anyone live like a king at the beach.
Its the same reason germans flock to Majorca. Its cheap and has warm beaches

* Are you implying that being practical and realistic is a bad trait?

Where do you get the idea that Greeks are hard workers? When Greeks are known for not getting anything done, using time horrible, and not using money wisely.
It seem only Greeks think they are hard workers

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicde...ean-nation


- Are you saying germans are a bunch of snitches?
Again..you arent living in the stasi time..Germans would much rather keep their mouths closed and ignore it if it doesnt pertain to them, than report it.
Its actually really common to cheat in German society.
Ive talked to teachers from elementary school all the way up to education directors.
Germans will wait at a red light at 1am...but if you leave them in a room with an answer sheet..they will cheat untill everyone gets a 99 on the test.
I knew of multiple groups of germans that would pass around school exams to make sure everyone passed.
But still study for days at a time

Maybe by hardest working you, you mean you spend alot of time just bullshitting but not actually being productive. Always on the clock but just hanging out

(12-17-2013 03:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The Germans are generally stingy they do not like spending on brand names.It is one of the few countries where people buy used clothes!Generally there is a lack of esthetics I mean no girl in Mediterranean or slavic countries would dare to circulate so bad dressed and without make up as German girls do.There is ugliness directly in your face.What they call here other priorities.Simply difficult to put up witg if you come from another background.

I do not deny the superiority of Germans in technique,brutal dominance in intelligence,organization,construction,cleanliness etc.It is just not a pleasant country for Mediterranean people there is a reason why Germans travel to us for vacations and not vice versa.

Generally it is difficult for a Greek to think like a German they see things completely from another point of view.There are so many differrences in how we think I could write a book.Germans are very practical-realistic people.

A big difference for example has to do with help.If I see that a colleague has problem in sth I will help him.I will also cover him.The Germans provide no cover.They want you to take responsibility for your actions.If I see a colleague doing sth wrong I will never report him by Greek mentality.Otherwise I will be called a nail.In Germany everyone takes pleasure in reporting you.The system just functions otherwise.
Other difference is in worktime.In Greece you take all the action on yourself so there are no really defined work hours.In Germany people want to work in the hours predicted by law.This is good because in Germany they regard us Greeks as hard workers.They do not like the maximization and overworking mentality though.

There is one big similarity though between us and Germans we both get how things really work.
For example at the work today I had a Greek collegue complaining about how shitty things are in Germany.I told him:You should not complain.You are a Greek.Slavs complain and cry all the time.We never complain.We are supposed to get the job done.As a Greek you have to get the job done despite all obstacles.What we call ''love for honour'' there is a Greek word for that.

[Flint]

(12-17-2013 06:05 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

- Are you saying germans are a bunch of snitches?
Again..you arent living in the stasi time..Germans would much rather keep their mouths closed and ignore it if it doesnt pertain to them, than report it.
Its actually really common to cheat in German society.
Ive talked to teachers from elementary school all the way up to education directors.
Germans will wait at a red light at 1am...but if you leave them in a room with an answer sheet..they will cheat untill everyone gets a 99 on the test.
I knew of multiple groups of germans that would pass around school exams to make sure everyone passed.
But still study for days at a time

This is so true. Even at German universities cheating is common courtesy among students whereas in the better schools in the US this would be considered totally dishonorable and can lead to expulsion. If you're caught cheating at universities or high schools in Germany, you simply don't pass the test and have two more tries.

No idea how we got the reputation of being notoriously honest. Snitches ain't get no love anywhere.

[MunichSux]

(05-09-2013 11:16 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

General advice on German cities.Avoid the center especially the historical and touristic places.It is full of ugly people.Focus on Hauptbahnhof,trams and malls.Also airports.
Spot the slavic girls. It is not always easy so I have to develop a differential.In Greece it is quite easy.If a slavic looking girl has hairy forearms she is Greek.German girls do not have hair on their forearms so you need another fool proof criterion.

Also being Black is an advantage in Germany.Almost every Black I see is accompanied by a girl of similar appearance level.

Greek, I'm sorry if I sound rude but you sound like a deadbeat who's been blown out of every german "Fraulein" set he approached and now blows off steam. Your idea to "avoid the center" is so silly and dumb, I refuse to believe you mean this seriously.

[Greek kamaki]

You can try your luck with German chicks in the centre.I just gave some advice regarding how to spot slavic women.A problem in Germany is the low light.They just do not like heavy lights.It is difficult to spot slavic women from distance.
About work the more you know the more requirements they have.It can be insane sometimes they do not forgive any mistake.The work hours are the same with Greece they just work with more intensity.They also make pauses to eat together which is unthinkable of in Greece.
In Germany you get the feeling of your intestines melting down from responsibility which is sth I never encountered in Greece.By us everything is much more comfortable.You also have to put your head in guilotine sometimes in Germany when the superiors leave you without coverage.The Germans want you always to think multidimensionally and make sound decisions.I explained to a Greek colleague and he freaked out.If I do this they will accuse me of this,if I do the opposite they will accuse me of that etc which is the least harmful?They take everything into account and document everything.You cannot hide anything.A very stressful environment indeed.Lots of rules etc.There are also many interests and you have to balance between them.There are no slaves to have a clear direction.

[Inspired]

Germany and Germans, are generally both pretty boring.

In Germany everyone gets ripped off by everyone. No one wants to negotiate. No one wants to stand up for themselves. They just accept everything, and try their hardest to avoid conflict.

But at the same time, Germans are extremely stubborn. It's like a built in stubborness. It's difficult to explain.
It's very frustrating.

[Every10GivesMeA10]

I'm in Köln now. this city is great and the women look receptive and pretty. haven't seen such a concentration of pure blond white women in a long time.

[EU Explorer]

(12-20-2013 12:00 PM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

I'm in Köln now. this city is great and the women look receptive and pretty. haven't seen such a concentration of pure blond white women in a long time.

I am sure the bubble will burst when you start talking to some of them!

[Mekorig]

IIRC Köln was know as a good place to game, at least for Germany standards. It is not the southlands, but with enough game you can get something, it is not so "sterile".

[shotgun]

I was in Berlin and it was a difficult place for game to a short term tourist like myself.

Clubs have a strict door policy where to get in, you either have to know someone inside or get there with a couple of girls - which seems absurd to me since the whole point of going to a club is to meet girls, not to go there with one already in your arm. It doesn't really matter if you dress well or get there early.

German girls, albeit pretty, were stiff and suspicious of cold approaches. It seemed to me that Berlin is all about social circle, unless we're talking about the thrashy girls that can be found on some shithole clubs at the East Side.

[Bill]

(12-16-2013 04:40 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

You are saying free market and competition is bad and causes poverty. that sounds like Lenin said when he advocated communism.

That´s what Germans think not what Greek Kamaki thinks. That´s how I did understand it from Greek Kamaki.

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Crazy German Girl I met Yesterday...... Before I even kissed her she asked if I wanted to meet her fam... good lord.

[Inspired]

Yeah, German chicks are really open and welcoming when it comes to introducing you to their families and social circles. Don't be too alarmed. It's actually a nice thing. And the families are usually very welcoming. You'll feel like a king. You'll be fed well and given alcohol and made to feel wonderful.

The problem is when you realize how nice and good this is and how it is so much better in comparison to your life in the US.

Next thing you know, you're getting married and going to live in Germany......With a high chance of being miserable.

[Inspired]

I must add though, this girl and the "wanna have a family" talk are quite worrying. I've never known a german chick to get that deep that quickly. BEWARE.

[sheesh]

(12-21-2013 03:38 PM)shotgun Wrote:  

I was in Berlin and it was a difficult place for game to a short term tourist like myself.

Clubs have a strict door policy where to get in, you either have to know someone inside or get there with a couple of girls - which seems absurd to me since the whole point of going to a club is to meet girls, not to go there with one already in your arm. It doesn't really matter if you dress well or get there early.

German girls, albeit pretty, were stiff and suspicious of cold approaches. It seemed to me that Berlin is all about social circle, unless we're talking about the thrashy girls that can be found on some shithole clubs at the East Side.

Daygame/ cold approaching is completely uncommon in Germany, therefore most girls simply won't know how to react. Germans are rather suspicious of strangers and usually need some kind of connection ( work place, university, sports club, mutual friends etc.) to build trust and open up. You could be the best looking and most interesting dude in a club yet your approaches might lead nowhere since being picked up by a stranger is out of the question for many middle-/upper class girls, no matter what.

[BishesMyron]

NYE Berlin anyone?

[Every10GivesMeA10]

Just got back from a weekend trip to cologne (2nd trip) and this city is FULL of hot and receptive women. The NRW region is very laidback and cool. I would move here in a heartbeat.

[Frank]

Can you drop a (small?) datasheet on the city?

I heard Cologne was supposed to be more laidback/chill than your average German town. Been meaning to go there for a while now. Hopefully in September.

[Lucky]

If anyone is interested in meeting up in Germany, let me know. For now I'm in the southwest, not far from Heidelberg, plenty of friendly girls in the area (and a great place for day game). Feel free to drop me a line.

[perspective]

Cologne is the best city to visit in West I reckon. Great hedonistic nightlife. I also recommend Dresden and Leipzig too. Otherwise: Hamburg and Berlin. If you're renting a car try billigermietwagen.de

Heidelberg is well worth a visit too of course.

[tête brûlée]

Looking for a hotspot in Germany ? Try Münster ! Loads of Girls in the town because of its big huge university.Lots of parties.Lots of different nations.Like chichas ? Go that nasty Salsa club.Like slavic girls...go that slavic pub.I recommend med,psychology,literature,law,MBA faculity parties for pick up...The girl:dick ratio is the most favourable in all of Germany.We have 70% women in med school where i currently study.Its wonderful.

[tw67b]

(03-05-2013 02:14 PM)Branimir Wrote:  

(03-05-2013 01:23 PM)Every10GivesMeA10 Wrote:  

What's the best area to rent a place in Koln?

Depends what you're looking for.

A rough partinioning for beginners in cologne, I added a picture:



Neustadt-Süd , to be more exactly the area around Zülpicher Platz (orange). (students go out here, more laidback style)

The area around Rudolfplatz & Friesenplatz is also very good (green). (the normal crowd and working people go out there , more of a stylish crowd , short dresses & high heels , some serious talent to be seen, but also alot of wannabe's, jerks and turks that like to show off. Doormen can be also idiots sometimes and the potential to see a fight here is the biggest)

Also Ehrenfeld to some extent if you're into hipsters (blue, cannot be seen on the map, but its not far, practically still in the inner city) ( even more laidback style than the students quarter, girls there don't necessarily wear high heels, but are easier to talk to than the stylish crowds around friesenplatz and rudolfsplatz ).

That said, there's a shitload of clubs & bars in cologne.

nice one