Manaus, Brazil
04-12-2019, 04:16 PM
hi guys, i'll call this a MANAUS DATA SHEET UPDATE FOR 2019 if you will and will post it on a new thread later,
I have now been in Manaus for 5 weeks and have 5 weeks left.
i should have posted this a while back but haven't had the time and honestly i've never written a data-sheet or anything like this before. I like to dive deep into cultures and find gaming gold-mines, both logistically and culturally and really conquer cities. I always go in-depth to analyze the cultures and understand how to use them to my advantage. I like gaming, and i love day gaming, i'm more into the thrill of the hunt than the result, so if this comes across as negative, just take it with a grain of salt.
I got 100 Tinder leads, 10 Instagram leads, and approx 10 day game leads. I banged 14 girls, 10 from Tinder/online and 4 from Instagram, 0 from Day game. I had a total of 19 dates/meet ups. Out of the 14 bangs so far, all were 1st date, if i didn't get the bang on the 1st meet up/date I couldn't get them out again. I got 2 BJ's as well. I banged 2 9's, 1 8.5, 2 8's, 4 7's, and the others call 6's i was not proud of, basically girls from Tinder who didn't look like their photos. Those numbers are on a strict scale, the hotter girls were some of the hottest i've ever banged in my life and i've been gaming/traveling full-time for 5 years now I should also say that I banged 10 of the 14 girls in the 1st 2 weeks, and i was sick/busy for a week to 10 days, then the 9's and other hotties came at they very end, as I began to learn and understand the Manaus-specific culture , it is very different than other places in Brazil.
FYI-i'd be glad to post some pictures of the girls with the eyes and things blacked out if someone can tell me an easy way to do that.
A quick bit about me, from the U.S., mid 30's, 6'2", thin and above-average looks, tan skin (i look like a miami latino with fade haircut but i'm actually a mixed race american), advanced game, speak basic to intermediate portuguese (studied in an intensive program every day for 1 month in a big Rio university before coming to Manaus, and also 3 weeks in Sao Paulo), have lived/gamed for 5 years in Medellin, Dominican republic, mexico, and the Philippinnes.
First and foremost let me state, that whatever you've read on these boards, i'd say a lot is from people who visited years ago, or from people who visited for a week or less. Quite simply , things have changed in Manaus, it is not nearly as easy as I read it to be. I can't stress that enough. Social media and Tinder , IMHO , have destroyed it, a lot of the matches you get on Tinder will not come out, in fact 95% of the some 100+ matches i had on Tinder and with whom i exchanged numbers with, never came out, i wasted a ton of time talking with them, at times i made plans and they just went cold, it was expected that i had to pay for their uber and in many cases expected that i take them to a nice dinner...So 1) entitlement 2) feminism 3) social media /Tinder have all taken over and made this place act like it's Miami and not the middle of the Amazons.
Second, a huge positive, what the forum has written about Manaus having ugly girls is simply not true. In fact they are way hotter than the board says, I'm a very experienced gamer and Im used to dating/banging 8's in Medellin so I was delightfully surprised, but to be clear it can be very hard to get the hot girls out, harder than in other Brazilian cities or in Colombia. Looks-wise, to be clear they are not all the fake blond skinny girls like you get in Rio. There are two types of girls in Manaus, the hotter ones, most of which look more like Colombian girls, light skin, dark hair, and they have some Arabic features, wider cheeks, flatter asses, and then are taller, athletic. (half do have fake blonde hair and like bitches but it's not the rio style wanna-be european blonde) Then there is the 2nd group, indigenous, physically they look for like the girls in Mexico city, medium brown skin, tubby, thick, short, with noses like Filipinas. I want to emphasize, there are some absolutely gorgeous girls in Manaus, i mean what you really think about Brazil girls, mixed race thick asses, muscular, kinky hair, different color eyes. I actually didn't encounter those girls in Rio or in Sao Paulo so Manaus has given me the real Brazil experience.
Also, at the same time the 2nd positive about Manaus that the girls, if you do get them out (which again will be surprisingly difficult, and much harder than in Colombia for example) , most will bang on the 1st date, and it will be down and dirty and feel dangerous, it reminds me most of Barranquilla, with even a bit of the Philippines involved, it will be about the sex, there's no reason to hold back, they're not there to date you and they know you aren't either.
Now to go onto the obstacles which we, as gamers and as foreigners in most cases, will need to overcome. This will not be for the light of heart, it will be a lot of work, and is not for the inexperienced gamer.
So as a background, Manaus girls use Instagram and Tinder as their livelihood, and at the same time, they have very low moral standards, and a bit of that Brazilian feminist attitude, they will cheat on their boyfriends with a guy on Tinder or instagram, in fact they will respond to all their Instagram messages and are likely banging at least 1 guy a week from there, and they all have some guy who is paying for things. As a quick example, a girl who i banged on Tinder i then saw with a Brazilian guy at the same place i took her, in the same clothes the next day and another 2 girls i had met on tinder were posting pictures out with guys the day before and day after i had met them, so they are professional daters, they will want you to take them some place nice as well, then will take pics of the food, making other guys jealous. I was blown away by this just complete lack of ethics, basically the girls basically acted like guys, total players, and they were pretty rude about it, rarely respectful or even nice about it.
What i was told by local Brazilians and fellow rooshers, social media has changed the game in Manaus and exposed the girls' true value. Candidly the girls could give a crap less if you're a foreigner and will even treat you like crap for it b/c they just don't have any interest in dating/relationships and almost all the Brazilian guys on Tinder will take them out to dinner, a lot have cars in Manaus and have decent jobs, there is no shortage of middle class people with money in Manaus, people are not divergently poor and rich like in Rio, most girls come from money (relatively) and have the money to out to clubs, buy cell phones, etc. b/c they live at home and don't have other expenses.
I will come back to the negatives and obstacles a bit further down but first:
1) Logistics/where to stay: Vieiralves is the best place for most people, b/c it's centralized, near bars, restaurants, etc, and fairly walkable to Millenium shopping, it has several gyms as well, it's also a 5-minute uber ride to Amazonas and Manaura shopping which are the two nicest high-end malls in town. If you are more into night game, and partying, live in Ponta Negra , only prob is your online or day game dates will often live in the Northeast and Southeast, so the issue is that you will have to pay a $10 uber ride each way to get them out. Another great option is living by Manaura or Amazonas shopping, the only issue i have with those is the apartments and hotels are 2 to 3 big blocks away which can be difficult in the sun and is likely to stop a lot of girls from going home with you.
2) Portuguese level: You will need basic to intermediate Portuguese, you can't make a lot of errors in your grammar or use spanish, and no one speaks English although some can read or write it....unfortunately most Manaus girls are not highly educated and they are very lazy, they will expect you to speak fluent Portuguese and won't slow down for you or try to understand you. My Portuguese was actually way better when i left Rio, basically a lot of girls , even though they look high-class, speak a hood-rat version of Portuguese in Manaus, after 1 month there i actually found it more difficult to communicate than before b/c the depth of my vocabulary which i had used in Rio had significantly diminished and then i couldn't recall certain words when i needed them. If you don't know Portuguese well, but know very basic Portuguese and mediocre Spanish, just make sure you download some vocab and memorize at least 500 words (15 to 20 hours), otherwise your dating /bangs will be tough.
3) Game:
a) Online:
First let me state, if you are Caucasian with light eyes, you will have a very different experience, fyi, than what i write below... if you also light skinned w/ light eyes and/or blond hair, online will do well very for you, in Manaus, like Rio and Sao Paulo, they are obsessed with light eyes in particular, the majority of hot Manaus girls are light-skinned, just like in the U.S. or in Rio, ( there are plenty of 8's and 9's, but they aren't walking around, Manaus is just not a poor place, these girls don't have to work, their parents have good jobs and cars, and they give them money, it's only a 5-hour, non-stop flight from Miami, fyi) .. Manaus is a bit segregated at least socially like in Rio, so it's not racist by any means but just like the U.S. in the 90's or before, brown-skinned people date and hang out with brown-skinned people , light skin with light skin. They are very behind on the acceptance thing. I am U.S. born mixed race guy with tan skin, that's actually been a good advantage for me in the U.S. and it didn't impede me much in Asia, Colombia, or the Dominican republic, but in Rio, Sao Paulo, and definitely in Manaus, i felt like i was back in middle school. It took me a while to begin to overcome this, I had to develop strategies : I did video calls and video messages, i had to give repeated reminders to girls that i was good looking at had high value...but FYI-I'd say it's not as much as a disinterest in people of color as much as it is a strong interest in guys with light eyes and who are stereotypical gringo (skin color, looks, body are a far second to the eyes). Also as an fyi, there are plenty of lighter-skinned , in shape, Brazilian guys, some of which have light brown eyes, hazel eyes, etc in Manaus, so it has far less to do with you than it has to do with the girls' options.
Ok, so re: Online/Tinder, Tinder is one big tease IMHO, I got 100 matches on tinder, a week before going to manaus, almost all of which gave me their number and i started speaking with all of the 7's and above, after weeks of conversations, video calls, etc. I got a total of 8 to actually come out, out of that I got 5 bangs out of about 8 dates, including a few 6.5 to 7's and 1 8... so overall , I wasted dozens of hours talking with girls who were super interested in me, proactively messaging me, and then just flaked last minute. In fact the majority gave me their address, asked me to send them an uber, and then just went offline when it was date time. I dealt with a little bit of that in Rio or Sao Paulo but it made no sense in Manaus, the logistics aren't bad, nothing is far away. Too many options on Tinder, and girls are at home all day b/c of the heat so Tinder becomes their understanding of value and their social worth, it's not like in the U.S. , Colombia, or even in Rio, where you are out and about all day and maybe have 1 hour max to be on Tinder per day, the girls in Manaus are on it all day long.
From what I understand Manaus is really a different animal than Rio or Sao Paulo because they don't believe in serious relationships or dating. In fact they actually like guys who are "safados" a bit. They will say they don't, but they just aren't looking for anything more than sex, and they have very low moral standards. So they use a site like Instagram or Tinder to bang different guys a few days a week, they also use those sites to use guys to take them to nice dinners and fun things to do, even if they don't want to bang them. To give you an idea, out of the 14 bangs i notched in the month or so in Manaus, over half asked me to take them to a nice dinner, and then were on their phone the entire time, taking pictures of the food and drinks and posting them to Instagram. You can basically assume that if a girl posts a picture with food (even her own plate), she is out on a date and will be banging that guy... In fact when i posted pictures of food, many girls i had been talking with then accused me of going out on dates even though there was no one else or no other plates in the picture.
b) Day Game: I have only done about 10 approaches so far, I got numbers from almost all, but I could not get any out on a date. In Manaus, like in many parts of Mexico like Guadalajara there is a big "inseguranca" , the media has said that Americans are sex tourists and rape girls and things, maybe it happens once every few years, but the girls are repeatedly told by their parents and friends not to go out with a friend and in Manaus, social circle and jealousy are kings, so almost all of the day game girls would only come out with amigas or primas on the 1st date, you are expected to pay for their food for both people, and then it is doubtful you will see them again. As a result i simply said no to them. Most day game girls wanted to go to 1) the river 2) movies (on a 1st date..weird) 3) a dinner at a place they chose 4) to go out dancing to an expensive night club. I may be amenable to this in the future, but I just said no to them.
I should also clarify that the very little day game I did was around Carnival time, and I only approached very hot girls (8's+), these types of girls have plenty of options and usually come from money in Manaus. Also, i was not confident in gaming with my Portuguese during this time as I perceived it to be like Rio where your Portuguese needs to be excellent to day game.. i later learned that the Portuguese in Manaus is very street-oriented and the interactions really needed to be super simple say " your'e cute, i'm from the U.S., let's go out"...even in Tinder or IG, they need to be like that....anything more and you are shooting yourself in the foot which I did the vast majority of time so far. So I will be trying to day game universities, streets, etc in the weeks that come. I strongly invite you guys to come visit, we will have a boatload of fun, and you will bang hot girls.
c) Night Game: [i][i][i][i][i]From what i have learned, night game is essentially a gold-mine here and can be a lot of fun[/i][/i][/i][/i][/i], it took me a while to learn this and i have yet to bang anyone from this, because i have yet to out by myself. Obviously the idea here is this is the same girls on Tinder or Instagram, but now drunk and with permission to go out so you can theoretically take them home. We will see. There are several bars: Porao de Alemao (rock), Salome (sertanejo), all night (foro, sertanejo) that are full of hot girls. You will need to look very good when you go to these, they are not low class places. The cover charge at all of these starts at around $10, and all night can be upwards of $20, girls are usually free or half price. These places also have long lines, expect to wait at least 20 minutes, i've waited 45 mins to get into some. The girls are in nice dresses and heels, and are light-skinned, often red or blue or black dresses, done up, you will have to look good and dress up, the girls who go to these places (except porao de alemao) are higher-class, and lighter-skinned girls (and they act higher class b/c of their skin color so be prepared to deal with snobbery). Drinks at these places can be annoying, you have to wait in line to pay for your drink/beer and get a drink ticket and then take it to another place to pick up your drink. Sometimes you can get a drink card, but it's still a battle to get a drink. A lot of people will buy a bucket of beers with ice and then leave it in front of them so they don't have to do this. and FYI-things start very very late, annoyingly late, i got to a club and even at 2am at the hottest club in town it was still sort of tame, at midnight, expect the worst, i'd say most real events get started at around 1am to 2am and go to maybe 5am, it's not conducive to being healthy, i literally gained 7 pounds since i got to Manaus b/c of this unhealthy late night /all night drinking in Manaus.
I was surprised at how many single girls go out to these places, (not with guys) but at the same time, they almost always were out with groups or mixed sets, the guys are very possessive, so you really have to get the girl when she is going to the bathroom or outside by herself. Do a quick exchange, get her number and get out of there.
d) Events: Manaus surprisingly has super cool events that don't go to Rio or Sao Paulo, not sure why, but literally every other weekend there are 1 or 2 great shows... I recently saw Jorge & Matheus, Gustavo Lima, and Alok, Wesley Safdao in one show, all of which are famous Brazilian Sertanejo artists and DJ's.... I do not recommend going to these shows to meet girls, when I got to Manaus i tried that, i hit up all the Carnival events, spending money to go to the best ones, thinking i would meet girls, huge mistake, there were very few cute , approachable girls at the Carnaval events by themselves, most were with guys who were paying for their drinks and entrance. And I burned a lot of money in Manaus, by no means is it cheap, In fact the concert above, to get to the VIP area, which just means, around row 50 to 100 of standing room, was approx $75 USD so not cheap by any means. There were even nicer tickets that are $500. Manaus girls save up their money, use guys , whatever, go to to these events. Any hot girl is expected to be at that event and Brazilian guys will buy tickets for them.
4) Lower-gringo value/Slutty/Gold-digging/ Low moral value culture
I need to add this in, b/c i was pretty surprised, almost shocked at this so let me reiterate
a) Expanding on Lower gringo value than before/ things have changed: people post on the boards about girls chasing down guys in the streets, i have no clue what they are talking about, maybe at night game in Ponta Negra at the rock bar at 3am but i just didn't see it in any interactions (or at those bars in Ponta negra) during my 5 weeks there, at the nightlife bars all the girls show up in Ubers or someone drops them off, they are in nice cars, many in newer Audis/Benz or at least Hondas /Hyundais made in the past few years. And the main malls are full of the luxury stores, Diesel to Louis Vitton you will find it, and people are dressed well, it's very westernized to say the least, and there are plenty of big, buff, brazilian dudes, who are well-dressed and with money out and about and who are more than willing to pay for entrance and dinner with girls. again from what i gathered this whole higher-value Manaus culture has eroded heavily due to social media , Tinder and Instagram.
b) Slutty culture:
Another reason Manaus has changed is that the girls in Manaus have very low moral value, much less than other places in Brazil and a lot less than in Colombia or the U.S., in fact they don't believe in dating or relationships, many only believe in sex or hooking up. So the social media has made this way worse, really giving power over to women, so what has replaced this chasing of hot guys or foreigners in the streets is simply Tinder and Instagram. In fact, the usage of Instagram and Tinder is phenomenal in Manaus. It is very hot during the day and the night game is really for the higher class girls, so their entire social scene/dating is on Tinder/Instagram. That is why you will get such an abnormally high number of matches and convos on Tinder. Girls will bang guys they meet on Instagram, I banged my hottest girls from Instagram and on the 1st date, usually sending an uber to come right to my place.....It was not easy by any means, and i wouldn't recommend doing that with Tinder by any means but basically in Manaus it is accepted to cheat on your boyfriend. They assume the guy is a "safado" which means player, or cheater, and they even have respect for those types of guys and they want that type of guy b/c he is harder to get and they feed off competition and jealousy quite a bit. Now the thing that is tough to handle is that the girls are also "safdos" , in fact feminism is raging in Manaus, the girls are players and will bang let's say at least 1 different guy a week on Instagram, and they will reply to almost all messages by decent looking guys on Instagram. So imagine that they will different levels of guys, unlike colombia where they often will have 1 boyfriend, and then you with whom they are cheating.. in Manaus, Brasil, they will have several levels of guys, almost none of which will be a boyfriend. 1st, some guys who are not banging, they are not as good looking as them, they use these guys for dinners and going out. Most of the day game girls I ran into wanted to use me for this. Second they will have some guys they are fucking, these guys are usually hotter than the girls, the guys just ask them to come over on Instagram, and the girls will do it, late at night, whatever is convenient, they are cheating on the other guys, with these guys. Then they will have the average good looking brazilian or foreigner (you) who is trying to date the girls, who they are open to meeting, but they will make you work for the bang, take them out to dinner, etc. You can tell if you're one of these guys b/c when you go out with these girls the sex will never be passionate, they won't be holding your hand or kissing you in public. I've felt like this with the majority of girls who i've been with . Another easy way to tell is that when the girls flake on you or move around plans, as guys we sometimes say "hey can we meet you earlier" or i have things to do that night can we meet "this day". You'll start having that happen to you a lot in Manaus, and you will come to realize that they are prioritizing hotter guys and other dates! I've lived in Colombia, dominican republic, philippinnes, i've never run into anything like that, it's been wild.
After my bangs in Manaus, I almost never got a follow up message with the intent to date like i had in Sao Paulo or even in Rio a bit, in fact when i tried to follow up with girls they almost went out of their way to shoot the relationship in the foot, doing stupid stuff or saying mean stuff or accusing me of going out with other girls..it almost seemed like they had little to no understanding of how to date or maintain a normal relationship.
c) Gold-digging. I'm not sure gold-digging is the way to describe this, maybe entitlement? but i was blown away at how many girls 1) insisted you send them an uber to come out to the date (both ways) - almost 100% -it's usually about 15 reais each way but can easily be 35 each way 2) almost all the hot girls said "i'm hungry" or said "where are we eating", and if they suggest a place it is always abnormally expensive 3) if you do take them out to dinner they will always order the most expensnive thing on the menu which is a Picanha with farofa, arroz, and order a drink, a beer or a cocktail, it will only be 10 to 15 dollars per person b/c food is cheap, but many times it was like 4pm or 11pm and i wasn't eating and the girl still ordered, 4) now here's where it gets even more fucked up, if you are banging a girl, let's say 2nd or 3rd date, you will make plans with them to go to the movies, they will ask you for you to order some food to be delivered, that will cost you 35 reais or so, they will eat at your house, they never say thank you or anything, and they may or may not bang, once they have eaten sometimes they no longer want to bang, they suddenly have their period or have to be home early they didn't realize, be careful of this, it sets a bad precedent, every time i went along with this the girl either had some issue after (2x-had her period, didn't want to give a BJ, 1x-wanted to use a condom after we didn't use one before, 1x started banging but stopped-was tired and had to be home early, in fact in more than half of these cases (3 times), we had plans to go to the movies or something, every single time they couldn't go to the movies, so it was either using me for food or food/bang and that's it. Also, to add to this, the girls will always expect for you to pay for everything and will order deserts, several drinks, they will never say thank you , at a bar even after dinner they will order food, the "entitlement" factor clearly blew me away, i've never seen anything that bad in the U.S.
d) Low moral culture: I'll give you a few examples why you should not get too involved in dating/relationships in Manaus... as well as show you where i got evidence for the above, i can't stress enough after my 5 weeks there, any idea of dating or relationships you had from Colombia or Asia or the U.S., throw that out the window and just have fun instead!
1) So I started dating a half brazilian, half colombian girl who was living in Manaus, and she often logged into her Instagram on my phone b/c hers was broken, i sometimes would switch over to her instagram accidentally b/f she logged out, she was getting about 5 messages from new Brazilian guys a day in Manaus and she was responding to about 2 out of them, in fact she had actually made plans to meet up with 2 guys that i saw in the days before, and had exchanged numbers with both, with one, she had never met the guy before and he had a car and went and picked her up the day before and like 11pm. The funny thing about this girl is that she complained about how sexually loose Manaus was and that it sucked that no one believed in relationships and that she wasn't willing to compromise her standards to act like the other Manaus girls. This was your standard Instagram chick, pretending to me moral, always using guys to take them out, dating them, but dating her way up the ladder and, mind you, this girl probably had the strongest morals/ethics of anyone i met in Manaus, during this time she asked me if i wanted to make her my girlfriend,, she would spend the night, we went to the movies, dinners, and she wanted to go traveling and stuff like that with me.
2) with several of these girls they would use their instagrams and tinders in front of me and were actively communicating with guys, even at my place, they just didn't seem to mind that i saw them doing this, they didn't make a clear effort to hide it, in fact they sometimes left voice messages for guys in front of me... they will always refer to the guy as an "amigo". if you ask about the guy they will say the guy is gay. I heard that some 4 times and finally realized what was up.
3) out of the 14 girls i banged in my 1st month in Manaus , 4 were from Instagram, and banged on the 1st date, almost no interest in relationships or dating, they either made it clear to me, or only agreed to come over b/c they were out late, drunk and close by and i just happened to hit them up at the right time. Again the girls felt more comfortable meeting a complete stranger for sex than they did grabbing a mango juice or beer with me in a public place. Obviously i had to make them feel very comfortable , look good, act respectful, video calls, etc. but I've never had such great success on Instagram before with a simultaneously low success rate in day game or Tinder. 3 out of those 4 basically explained that they like to fuck and that's what they do all day and then go party at night. I didn't get into the details of how often they met up with random guys and ask them about this.. oddly enough, none of the girls seemed slutty to me, in fact they seemed very high class, nicer clothes, showed up looking respectful so i guess their sexual openness is kept discrete and Instagram helps them with that.
4) I did have some very negative experiences with Instagram as well, (and Tinder), emotionally i should say, basically there were a few girls who i went out with who wouldn't bang me on the 1st date, and in two cases I saw their whatssapp or Instagram and they had at least agreeed to bang some other random guy on the 1st date, maybe late at night, just going over his place days earlier. In fact both of them had actually also moved their dates with me earlier or later to make the other guy a priority. I felt sort of like a john after this, I had never seen anything that fucked up before. i think most girls would at least hide this from you.. not in Manaus!
5) Another quick thing i'll add as my evidence of the low moral culture here, i had a few girls ask me for pictures of my junk to see it's size and then want to bang me after, and another thing, i'd say at least half the girls i had met had had a threesome before,i just asked them for the heck of it, and most had had multiple threesomes in fact,
So overall, Manaus can be a lot of fun, and you can notch a lot of bangs...Again i've only banged a few dozen solid, strict scaled 8+s in my life, and had banged just 1 8+ in Brasil (Rio) before, so this was crazy to suddenly pull 9's and 8's on the 1st date or having them come directly to my place. I thought Rio was a bit crazy but some of these Manaus girls can be super exotic with their Arabic influenced hair and skin color, and crazy tatooing with rich colors or intricate designs. I'm excited to go back and work on my Portuguese and work on my day and night game!
Just be ready.. this is not for the light of hearted. I'd say it feels a bit like the Philippinnes or Dominican Republic in terms of potential banging power, and feels about half way between Colombia and Miami in terms of gringo value, and I'd say it reminds you of the dangerousness/dirtiness of Barranquilla, Colombia.
If anyone would like to come join me and day game or night game ill be here till mid May and will come back. We can have a lot of fun and honestly turn each others' learning and experiences to be on steroids. It's a social scene culture so the benefits to knowing someone established in the scene can be exponential. It's a cheap easy flight from almost anywhere in Brasil (and under 500 bucks nonstop rt from miami). If you need help with logistics, i can show you the main two buildings available on Airbnb, in the main area.
