[thegmanifesto]

(02-22-2013 04:10 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 04:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-22-2013 12:55 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Nice breakdown. How long until we see a "cobra vs. boxter" debate. May as well start a thread on that so the LA and Miami guys can go back and forth for 11+ pages again.

I think our next East Coast VS West Coast matchup should be:

San Francisco VS Boston

And maybe a Toronto VS DC grudge match (now that could get real bloody).

Thoughts?

San Francisco pillages Boston on almost every level. Living in Boston for a few months was the worst, mad respect to guys who enjoy that city. (Year round basis).

Toronto vs DC would be entertaining.

Paris vs. Tokyo is a good international one

Should have a battle of "cost of living" vs "battle of money is no issue"

Yeah, Giovanny, why don't you start off the SF VS Boston Beef?

Boston BMW on here could hold the torch for Boston.

What about a Zanesvile, OH VS Sheboygan, WI?

Or a Houston VS Dallas.

Houston and Kickboxer could go head to head (so to speak).

Tampa VS Phoenix might have some fireworks too.

(Smart money on El Mech).

[el mechanico]

Fuck Phoenix and all the retards in Arizona! Do you guys know there an urban myth in AZ that claims the state has more boat registrations than any other in the country? People would approach me to tell me that so I googled and of course it's not true but for some reason they keep saying it.

I have no interest in any place where you can't run boat game because boat game is king.

[speakeasy]

Spoof:

[MikeCF]

If you got cash, NY is by far easier. Just do this. Seriously, set up an online profile for NYC. Set one up for L.A.

(Or leave one up for a week then change the location next week so you don't get your profile deleted as dupes.)

You will get more dates scheduled and have more girls hit you up on NYC profile. Don't take my word for it. Do it and drop a data sheet proving me wrong.

HOWEVER, you need $2,500 a month to live in NY for rent. You can live on the West Side with a roommate for $1,200.

If you don't have bank or aren't willing to spend, L.A. is better.

Also, although I am "West Side for life," the truth is that WeHo has hotter younger girls. Rents are lower in WeHo. Girls in their early 20s can't afford Santa Monica or Venice rents. Thus they live in WeHo.

So a guy could find lots of hot girls, run hard day game at the Grove, and brunch at Jone's on Third, and go to cheap bars while paying only $800 a month if he had a roommate in WeHo.

Thus like most things the issue is, "It depends."

The harder question to me is, "If you had unlimited money, which city is best?" That would be a close call based on subjective values.

I personally think the short shorts and ugg boots with tan legs look is hot.

[poutsara]

I like this thread. I've lived in Los Angeles my whole life save one year. I got laid in NYC only one time, but I've only been there twice, each time for little more than a weekend. So that makes me 1 for 2 weekends in NYC, or 1 in 7 days. Not bad. Seeing as I haven't yet banged more than 1000 girls in LA despite living here for now more than three decades, I say NYC comes out on top based on the stats alone.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-23-2013 07:21 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

If you got cash, NY is by far easier. Just do this. Seriously, set up an online profile for NYC. Set one up for L.A.

(Or leave one up for a week then change the location next week so you don't get your profile deleted as dupes.)

You will get more dates scheduled and have more girls hit you up on NYC profile. Don't take my word for it. Do it and drop a data sheet proving me wrong.

HOWEVER, you need $2,500 a month to live in NY for rent. You can live on the West Side with a roommate for $1,200.

If you don't have bank or aren't willing to spend, L.A. is better.

Also, although I am "West Side for life," the truth is that WeHo has hotter younger girls. Rents are lower in WeHo. Girls in their early 20s can't afford Santa Monica or Venice rents. Thus they live in WeHo.

So a guy could find lots of hot girls, run hard day game at the Grove, and brunch at Jone's on Third, and go to cheap bars while paying only $800 a month if he had a roommate in WeHo.

Thus like most things the issue is, "It depends."

The harder question to me is, "If you had unlimited money, which city is best?" That would be a close call based on subjective values.

I personally think the short shorts and ugg boots with tan legs look is hot.

And the legendary MikeCF is back in the house! (I actually had a feeling this thread might bring him back).

Welcome back brother.

[Kish]

(02-23-2013 07:09 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Spoof:

Classic Americunt response. Anytime men complain about a dating scene the response is always the same. That we are just shallow nice guys who should date fat chics. Ha!

[Basil Ransom]

(02-23-2013 07:21 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

If you got cash, NY is by far easier. Just do this. Seriously, set up an online profile for NYC. Set one up for L.A.

I recall MikeCF saying in another thread that if you make say $80k a year, you can carve out a pretty good lifestyle in LA. That's enough to cover the basics.

In my opinion, once you've reached that point, more money is going to have a pretty small effect on improving the quality and quantity of the girls you bang. Eg, if you made $20k more, would your quality or quantity go up by 25%? Hardly. If girls are rejecting you way before they know how much you make, before they see what you drive, or before they see your place, how is money a factor? Anyone can shop at Whole Foods, or party in WeHo. Hell, maybe they would reject you once they found out your financial situation; but it rarely gets to that point, so you have no way of telling that.

There are cool guys and there are lame guys on this forum. But in my experience, the one thing they have in common? They are not getting laid well through their social circle. They wouldn't be coming here otherwise. The guys who are doing well in LA, the guys who you see with a hot girl and think "damn, son is doing well for himself" are guys who are getting laid through their social circle. Or, more rarely, they have some gimmick for meeting hot girls, eg bartending or couch hosting. If you work in the right position in say, fashion, and you aren't a complete fuckup, I you'd get hot ass left and right. You work in construction, um, no, go dial up Xhamster. To get past what I called the 7 ceiling consistently, without 1% looks or money, is going to come from a *good* social circle, or some great gimmick.

For you to fuck a girl from cold approaching at night, your value has to be easily a point higher than what you'd need to bang her via social circle. Girls trade status for familiarity - she may take an 8 man she sort of knows, or a 9 man she doesn't, but for the 8 man she doesn't know, the prospects aren't pretty.

[speakeasy]

^^ I agree completely with Basil above. I like his analytical, almost mathematical approach here. It's completely true.

[MikeCF]

(02-23-2013 08:33 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

For you to fuck a girl from cold approaching at night, your value has to be easily a point higher than what you'd need to bang her via social circle. Girls trade status for familiarity - she may take an 8 man she sort of knows, or a 9 man she doesn't, but for the 8 man she doesn't know, the prospects aren't pretty.

Why are you cold approaching at night when Nordstrom at the Grove on any weekend day is loaded with hot chicks?

[slubu]

Interestingly enough, I went to the same bar in West Hollywood both Thursday and Saturday nights.

Thursday I knew nobody there other than the guys I went with. Pretty bad night, tons of dudes and the girls were either old ugly or super bitchy.

Saturday night I went for my cousin's birthday party, and I had a great time. He was introducing me to girls, very party atmosphere, celebs were there everyone was having a great time.

This social circle thing is very real. My time was exponentially better just being "in the group."

That said, my roommate's cute friend went home with some random guy that just cold approached her, so what do I know.

[speakeasy]

(02-24-2013 04:32 PM)slubu Wrote:  

That said, my roommate's cute friend went home with some random guy that just cold approached her, so what do I know.

It's funny like that, huh? Just when you think you have come to a solid conclusion about the game, something out the blue happens like this that defies your theorem and collapses your house of cards. Game is weird like that. Nothing is predictable. You can go out every night of the week and have a shitty night and then the last night hit a grand slam. Or you could be looking like crap, in a bad mood and not even thinking about chics and out of nowhere some girl will flirt with you.

What spot did you hit, btw?

[thegmanifesto]

(02-23-2013 08:33 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

The guys who are doing well in LA, the guys who you see with a hot girl and think "damn, son is doing well for himself" are guys who are getting laid through their social circle.

Yeah, that is the thing.

And many times he is in a relationship with that girl.

See the guy 6 months, 18 months later and he is with the same girl.

Now if I see some cat on a Tues, Thurs and Sat night of the same week with a different fly girl, then I am impressed.

[RossTan]

(02-14-2013 12:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

NYC has way better logistics for the average guy trying to get laid.

LA is way more spread out and almost requires a car.

If you want to get anywhere on time YOU NEED a car in L.A. Spread out is good. Earthquakes. Better to spread out than close together.

[Tuthmosis]

"In LA, you need actually can have a car."

Fixed.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-24-2013 11:28 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

"In LA, you need actually can have a car."

Fixed.

The only "car" you need in NYC:

[Tuthmosis]

(02-24-2013 11:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The only "car" you need in NYC:

Don't forget this one, because the Rockaways are far:

   

[WestCoast]

(02-24-2013 11:42 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The only "car" you need in NYC:

Don't forget this one, because the Rockaways are far:

You see a metro card, I see a day game card.

[jammer]

(02-24-2013 11:48 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:42 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 11:41 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The only "car" you need in NYC:

Don't forget this one, because the Rockaways are far:

You see a metro card, I see a day game card.

The rats see that as a daygaming opportunity too. Look at his great usage of Kino escalation.

[slubu]

I want to bump this thread because I've now spent about 6 weeks here actually living in NYC after living years in LA. To answer the question posed in the title of the thread: infinitely.

I really don't know where to begin in trying to describe the differences. I've done stints in NYC before and it has been very good to me, and now living here has been no different.

In LA I stopped going out for nightlife, it was just so terrible most of the time. After I got back from Russia I went out one night with thedude to a bar/club in Santa Monica, and I recall two cute girls (nothing special) being hit on by two guys. Behind those two guys, were two other guys waiting their turn. Absurd. Another time (again with thedude) we approached two girls and I was just trying to entertain an ugly asian girl to give him some time and she was just rude and not having it.

So I pretty much wrote nightlife off. I had a few girls in rotation and just kept on that.

Back to the point. NYC is just vastly different:

Cockblocking: Girls here just don't cockblock. Sure there are exceptions, but numerous times girls just leave their friends with you. Multiple times we've had one girl say to the other "hey i'm going home have fun" and just leave her friend with me or another buddy. The few times I've had a girl cockblock, my target just brushed them off and said leave me alone.

Drinking: Girls here throw down. Probably because nobody has to drive. Even online girls list drinking as "very often" whereas in LA everyone worries about DUIs.

Foreigners: Walking the streets by my apartment, I actually hear less English than other languages. French girls, Italian girls, Brazilian, Russian, and so on. I've had a few bangs of girls just visiting the city and want to let loose. It's wonderful and you can likely do a quick mini relationship for a long weekend if you catch them at the right time. In addition to outside US, you get a lot of girls visiting from other cities.

Flipped Roles: This is the most stark difference. Here girls are the aggressors. They tell me to take their number more than I have to ask for it. They text to confirm dates. I have to find ways to exit conversations.

Nightlife: This one is obvious, but the 4am closure of most bars let's you start later. People drink longer, it's just more fun. I can't even contemplate the 1:30 a.m. bullshit of LA anymore.

Quality: I'd say a point uptick in accessibility. Whereas in LA you have the C6 (cunty 6), here the 6s and 7s are extremely open and much easier to interact with and bang. OKC itself is amazingly better here than in LA. The 8s and above are still hard to crack though and I haven't had a chance to check out the top end places yet.

Quantity: More girls than I have time for. I could have endless amounts of dates if I had time but sadly I don't. Absent one night where I guess I was just off or dressed like a retard I don't know, I've gotten at least 1 number. Combined with the online game here which actually is worth it, I have a queue of multiple girls I haven't even had a chance to initiate with.

This ties into everything else. There are just so many girls here, everywhere. I got my first day game bang from a train girl. Last night I went on a date last minute as my pregame (horrible date but that was my first bad one), met up with another girl I'd gone on a date with a few weeks ago for an hour then ditched her, then spent a few hours with a random at a bar before she wouldn't come back but aggressively pushed her number onto me. Essentially I'm just trying to point out how easy it is to get multiple interactions going on any given night.

DTF: I'd say 80% of girls I go on a first date with will come back to my apartment. Not all will bone, but they do come up and we get something going. Last weekend I had 3 different girls wake up next to me in 3 days. One bang, one three blowjobs (rag), and the other just topless (prude I guess).

Cost: BUT, the fucking city is expensive. I'm blowing through money. Before I thought it was the same as LA, but it's not it's more. I'm not even sure what it is but it just adds up and I'm too afraid to look how much I'm spending. Easily $2500/month just on basics and not including going out for dates or nightlife. It's not uncommon for me to spend $100/night on those nights I go out.

NYC is a special place. I can never go back to LA after experiencing the ease over here. Throw in the tourist/foreigner aspect and it's a bit of a loophole to America. You do need money though. If you had a warchest of cash I think you could dominate this city.

[WestCoast]

I think I've seen someone on here explaining this exact same phenomenon...

$100 on a night out is actually pretty damn good.

Shoot me a message any time and I can help you cut down the costs. You have to basically find lower end cheap foods for breakfast and lunch. Fruit stands were my go to in the morning especially if you have a hard job and no time. Nightlife will always be pricey, name of the game, but unlike California it is worth the money.

Wait till April... You're not even going to post on here from March - May.

Also was explained, tourists visiting nyc love it because they don't care about costs, the locals only get bitter if... They can't afford it. But if you got the cash, you'll get the ass.

"The only people who leave NYC can't afford to stay" - tons of truth in the statement, if you can make more money in NYC, pack your bags and just go.

[SeanBateman]

Your input is always highly valued Slubu. After 10 years of living in LA interspersed with occasional trips to NYC I concur with what you've written based on my experience. I even went as far as to quantify the number of babes per city block as I was walking around different parts of lower Manhattan at different times of the day and I found the aggregate average to be 1.6 hot girls per 1 city block walked.

How would you compare NYC to Moscow or Kiev? Assuming a guy has adequate bank roll, should he just quit the Russian lessons and pony up the $4k/month for a West Village apartment?

[Vaun]

(01-12-2014 02:03 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

"The only people who leave NYC can't afford to stay" - tons of truth in the statement, if you can make more money in NYC, pack your bags and just go.

true to a certain extent unless you crave a different environment, like living in the mountains or by the beach in a warm climate.

Always thought north county SD was the place to be, I always had success there and women are open and friendly. LA for me is all about social circle game and I can see how daunting it would be for an outsider or tourist. No complaints there. SF again is about social circle for me, and I wouldn't consider it at all for gaming if I were by myself, unless I was staying near the beach in Santa Cruz for a few weeks. SF city has a lot of hot girls but I don't gravitate there, would rather go somewhere else.

[SeanBateman]

(01-12-2014 02:43 PM)puckman Wrote:  

SF city has a lot of hot girls

I disagree. There are a few and they have better attitudes than in LA but the vast majority are chunky and frumpy.

[warder]

Never been to LA, but this is pretty much spot on for NYC. Been living here single for 6 years in the East Village. It is insanely easy to get laid and I almost always have a rotation of about 10 girls going that I'm a mix of already banging or trying to bang. Gets pretty exhausting to be honest.

I honestly think the main reason it's so easy is logistics. The number one cock block in cities where you have to drive is girls always ride with their friends, so it's very difficult to get them to leave them. Whereas in NYC, everyone always Irish good byes, so it's no big deal to just disappear with a chick. This is of course much easier to do if you have a place somewhere downtown where all the good places are. West/East Village, Soho, LES, etc...

But yes it is expensive. For dates I've got it down pretty well finding places that have solid drinks prices/happy hours...but going out at night on the weekends with my boys, I almost always drop $100, and pretty often up to $200. In unrelated news I don't save much money haha...

btw Slubu props on the great Russia trip report. I'm hitting up Moscow for 10 days solo in May, and lots of good stuff in that!

(01-12-2014 01:44 PM)slubu Wrote:  

I want to bump this thread because I've now spent about 6 weeks here actually living in NYC after living years in LA. To answer the question posed in the title of the thread: infinitely.

I really don't know where to begin in trying to describe the differences. I've done stints in NYC before and it has been very good to me, and now living here has been no different.

In LA I stopped going out for nightlife, it was just so terrible most of the time. After I got back from Russia I went out one night with thedude to a bar/club in Santa Monica, and I recall two cute girls (nothing special) being hit on by two guys. Behind those two guys, were two other guys waiting their turn. Absurd. Another time (again with thedude) we approached two girls and I was just trying to entertain an ugly asian girl to give him some time and she was just rude and not having it.

So I pretty much wrote nightlife off. I had a few girls in rotation and just kept on that.

Back to the point. NYC is just vastly different:

Cockblocking: Girls here just don't cockblock. Sure there are exceptions, but numerous times girls just leave their friends with you. Multiple times we've had one girl say to the other "hey i'm going home have fun" and just leave her friend with me or another buddy. The few times I've had a girl cockblock, my target just brushed them off and said leave me alone.

Drinking: Girls here throw down. Probably because nobody has to drive. Even online girls list drinking as "very often" whereas in LA everyone worries about DUIs.

Foreigners: Walking the streets by my apartment, I actually hear less English than other languages. French girls, Italian girls, Brazilian, Russian, and so on. I've had a few bangs of girls just visiting the city and want to let loose. It's wonderful and you can likely do a quick mini relationship for a long weekend if you catch them at the right time. In addition to outside US, you get a lot of girls visiting from other cities.

Flipped Roles: This is the most stark difference. Here girls are the aggressors. They tell me to take their number more than I have to ask for it. They text to confirm dates. I have to find ways to exit conversations.

Nightlife: This one is obvious, but the 4am closure of most bars let's you start later. People drink longer, it's just more fun. I can't even contemplate the 1:30 a.m. bullshit of LA anymore.

Quality: I'd say a point uptick in accessibility. Whereas in LA you have the C6 (cunty 6), here the 6s and 7s are extremely open and much easier to interact with and bang. OKC itself is amazingly better here than in LA. The 8s and above are still hard to crack though and I haven't had a chance to check out the top end places yet.

Quantity: More girls than I have time for. I could have endless amounts of dates if I had time but sadly I don't. Absent one night where I guess I was just off or dressed like a retard I don't know, I've gotten at least 1 number. Combined with the online game here which actually is worth it, I have a queue of multiple girls I haven't even had a chance to initiate with.

This ties into everything else. There are just so many girls here, everywhere. I got my first day game bang from a train girl. Last night I went on a date last minute as my pregame (horrible date but that was my first bad one), met up with another girl I'd gone on a date with a few weeks ago for an hour then ditched her, then spent a few hours with a random at a bar before she wouldn't come back but aggressively pushed her number onto me. Essentially I'm just trying to point out how easy it is to get multiple interactions going on any given night.

DTF: I'd say 80% of girls I go on a first date with will come back to my apartment. Not all will bone, but they do come up and we get something going. Last weekend I had 3 different girls wake up next to me in 3 days. One bang, one three blowjobs (rag), and the other just topless (prude I guess).

Cost: BUT, the fucking city is expensive. I'm blowing through money. Before I thought it was the same as LA, but it's not it's more. I'm not even sure what it is but it just adds up and I'm too afraid to look how much I'm spending. Easily $2500/month just on basics and not including going out for dates or nightlife. It's not uncommon for me to spend $100/night on those nights I go out.

NYC is a special place. I can never go back to LA after experiencing the ease over here. Throw in the tourist/foreigner aspect and it's a bit of a loophole to America. You do need money though. If you had a warchest of cash I think you could dominate this city.