Ok a long post, but I got a bee in the bonnet. If you are the TL,DR type, skip this.
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After reading the post Roosh made about American women who cant compete on his new Return of Kings website, I was reading through the comments when I saw the usual and typical comments that always tend to follow these sorts of articles. For some reason, the minute you mention foreign or mail order brides, there is a mini descent into madness and all common sense gets thrown out of the window
There are always tons of people saying that these women were nothing more than gold digging, green card chasing whores who will divorce the men the first chance they get, and this article was no exception. According to everyone, these women are all out to get suckers and betas. Few happen to be the marriage minded, feminine women these countries tend to produce in droves, they are just mercenaries who will be out the door the minute they get the chance if you look at them.
What then almost always follows are anecdotal accounts of dudes who know lots of Russian, EE or foreign chicks who are foreign brides that divorced local men after they brought them in. I would love to know where these guys meet all these divorced bitches with their new green cards, but the minute you raise this topic everyone knows like 300 of them it seems.
So I thought what the hell, let me see if I can drum up some stats and see who is right about this crap. I have seen stats before that show its opposite of what everyone else says, but lets see what else turns up.
I believe the vast majority of women looking for husbands are genuine given what I know of the cultures and the places I have traveled to over the years. I think because these women are more traditional and conservative, a decent guy will probably stand far less chance of divorce too. I also know that these women tend to be far more logical than the degenerate whores western men deal with on a daily basis too, so women would be less prone to divorcing unless the guy was abusive, a really poor provider or an absolute loser. They are prone to hypergamy just like all women, but its no where near as severe as it is with the average western slut.
I also believe that the foreign passport hunting, gold digging whore is one of the biggest myths out. Sure, there are going to be horror stories, I just doubt that the horror stories are more frequent than the average divorce hell 50% of most western men will go through. And I think that the majority of guys who end up going through hell with a foreign woman tend to meet them IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES, they are not meeting those marriage minded foreign women in the womans home country.
So, first study I went to find was one that USED to be on Wikipedia. USED TO BE. Someone has decided to remove it, and it was even removed on the official government site. I know it was there because I have shared it before, even on this forum. Anyways, much of it has been repeated on the web verbatim, line for line. You also see many people linking to the original study and the wiki entry.
80% of the marriages have been successful. This is not some dude bringing back his foreign wife after meeting her there on a trip or holiday. Its not guys who were expats somewhere and returned home with a wife. These are outright MAIL ORDER BRIDES. These are guys going onto the internet or using services to find women to marry from day one. Zero romance and courtship, straight to business, Ill get to know you once we are married type marriages.
80 fucking percent success rate. EIGHTY PERCENT. And these are mail order brides, these are not women they met and gradually built a relationship with before they took the plunge. They are going into this with the intention of marrying them from the first meeting most of the time.
Next up is Centre for Immigration Studies who again state a 20% divorce rate with mail order bride marriages. A separate organisation comes to the same conclusions the census did.
This is not exclusive to the USA though. Here is a study conducted in Switzerland. The white paper is available but its long, so I just share the web extract.
Again, we see the same thing, where divorce rates are far lower when the foreign women are not "western". Ironically, they also track the divorce rate between Swiss women and foreign men, which clocks in at 80% FAILURE rates.
So 85% success rate with women from the former USSR for the Swiss. The Swiss divorce rate is approaching 50%, yet these marriages are clocking in at 85% success rates.
Another major study called Negotiated Nuptials: A Transnational Analysis of the International Marriage Broker Industry and the Russian ‘Mail-Order Bride’ went into great detail proving how the women dont suffer abuse like the feminists are saying they do. At the same time, the research concludes that the vast majority of women looking for foreign husbands are genuine in their search. This thing even won some feminist prize or some shit. So not only does it prove that the feminists are exaggerating the rates of abuse, it also goes on to show how many of these arrangements are not only genuine but successful.
Thats one thing that turned up a hell of a lot was some ridiculous representations by feminists and the media too. The more I dug into it the more blatant it is. Clearly this is seen as a major threat to the harpies, because the lengths they are going to are ridiculous. The funniest example that I came across was a story about some English guy who started a marriage agency. He says in his interview that men are looking for feminine, traditional wives who are unspoiled by feminism, and he introduces them.
This is the response from some cunt about the whole thing, who equates it to human trafficking and slavery because these women tend to be housewives:
Housewives are slaves.
To make matters worse, the same article is then republished, and when it is the headlines are a complete misrepresentation of the interview and business as a whole
Here is the first headline
The Mail-Order-Bride Trade Is Flourishing
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/con...page_2.htm
Here is the second headline on the same article
Former I-Banker's Mail Order Bride Business Sells Women Who Are "Unspoiled By Feminism"
http://www.businessinsider.com/investmen...e9640e0000
Here is the third headline
Former Investment Banker’s Human-Trafficking Business Is Booming
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/01/eve...nted-24h-5
Laughable. Frikken laughable.
There is very little research that has been done on marriage between foreigners and nationals and their success rates for some reason. Seems like no one wants to touch it, or what is more likely, they cant get it through peer review.
I think they would make for very interesting reading and I would not be surprised if we see stats very similar to what happened in Switzerland. Not only were the marriages between foreign women and local men more successful, marriages between local women and foreign men were a disaster. Not the sort of thing feminized universities and organizations want to see published, thats for sure.
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Can you imagine what sort of dude resorts to a mail order bride? While I dont think its the case for all of them, I think in 95% of cases you are dealing with highly introverted guys who have always been hopeless with women. They are probably middle income to upper middle income, middle aged to elderly and either cant land a date or have been raped in divorce court already and are throwing the towel in. I also think that a lot of them will punch way above their weight, trying to marry women far too young or incredibly good looking women while they have very little going for them looks wise. I also think that many dont understand the cultures of these women.
So here we have average looking guys with moderate incomes and no ability with women who are still able not only marry hotter women than they would get at home, they are younger, more feminine and traditional too.
The biggest farce of all? 80% of these arrangements are actually working according to statistics, while the rest of their countrymen will see 50% of their marriages end in divorce and family court rape
Now I know there are guys who marry foreign women that end up taking them to the cleaners. The thing is, these guys are being taken to the cleaners far less often than they would be if they married local chicks. And if they did take a chance on a local chick, she would be no where near what the foreign wife was in quality either.
I am also willing to bet that many of these "foreign women" who everyone tells horror stories about just so happen to be women who immigrated here when young or were sent to study in western universities and colleges, and after a few years in our indoctrination camps they come out the other end far more fucked up than when they went in. They are not a complete representation of foreign women because their exposure to our culture is far deeper than someone who moved and lived there for a long period of time.
And I can say, based on what I see with Australian men who are marrying foreign women in droves now, particularly Asian, that the divorce rates are far lower, despite major age differences between couples.
Now I am not saying that this shit does not happen, but its quite clearly being blown way out of proportion.
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After reading the post Roosh made about American women who cant compete on his new Return of Kings website, I was reading through the comments when I saw the usual and typical comments that always tend to follow these sorts of articles. For some reason, the minute you mention foreign or mail order brides, there is a mini descent into madness and all common sense gets thrown out of the window
There are always tons of people saying that these women were nothing more than gold digging, green card chasing whores who will divorce the men the first chance they get, and this article was no exception. According to everyone, these women are all out to get suckers and betas. Few happen to be the marriage minded, feminine women these countries tend to produce in droves, they are just mercenaries who will be out the door the minute they get the chance if you look at them.
What then almost always follows are anecdotal accounts of dudes who know lots of Russian, EE or foreign chicks who are foreign brides that divorced local men after they brought them in. I would love to know where these guys meet all these divorced bitches with their new green cards, but the minute you raise this topic everyone knows like 300 of them it seems.
So I thought what the hell, let me see if I can drum up some stats and see who is right about this crap. I have seen stats before that show its opposite of what everyone else says, but lets see what else turns up.
I believe the vast majority of women looking for husbands are genuine given what I know of the cultures and the places I have traveled to over the years. I think because these women are more traditional and conservative, a decent guy will probably stand far less chance of divorce too. I also know that these women tend to be far more logical than the degenerate whores western men deal with on a daily basis too, so women would be less prone to divorcing unless the guy was abusive, a really poor provider or an absolute loser. They are prone to hypergamy just like all women, but its no where near as severe as it is with the average western slut.
I also believe that the foreign passport hunting, gold digging whore is one of the biggest myths out. Sure, there are going to be horror stories, I just doubt that the horror stories are more frequent than the average divorce hell 50% of most western men will go through. And I think that the majority of guys who end up going through hell with a foreign woman tend to meet them IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES, they are not meeting those marriage minded foreign women in the womans home country.
So, first study I went to find was one that USED to be on Wikipedia. USED TO BE. Someone has decided to remove it, and it was even removed on the official government site. I know it was there because I have shared it before, even on this forum. Anyways, much of it has been repeated on the web verbatim, line for line. You also see many people linking to the original study and the wiki entry.
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The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) reports that “…marriages arranged through [mail order bride] services would appear to have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole, fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for which reports are available.” The USCIS also reports that “… mail-order bride and e-mail correspondence services result in 4,000 to 6,000 marriages between U.S. men and foreign brides each year.”
80% of the marriages have been successful. This is not some dude bringing back his foreign wife after meeting her there on a trip or holiday. Its not guys who were expats somewhere and returned home with a wife. These are outright MAIL ORDER BRIDES. These are guys going onto the internet or using services to find women to marry from day one. Zero romance and courtship, straight to business, Ill get to know you once we are married type marriages.
80 fucking percent success rate. EIGHTY PERCENT. And these are mail order brides, these are not women they met and gradually built a relationship with before they took the plunge. They are going into this with the intention of marrying them from the first meeting most of the time.
Next up is Centre for Immigration Studies who again state a 20% divorce rate with mail order bride marriages. A separate organisation comes to the same conclusions the census did.
This is not exclusive to the USA though. Here is a study conducted in Switzerland. The white paper is available but its long, so I just share the web extract.
Again, we see the same thing, where divorce rates are far lower when the foreign women are not "western". Ironically, they also track the divorce rate between Swiss women and foreign men, which clocks in at 80% FAILURE rates.
Quote:Quote:
The statistical office of Switzerland has published some more detailed statistics[citation needed]: Note that to draw any conclusions, the divorce rate of mail-order marriages must be compared to the divorce rate of domestic marriages. In 1999, the divorce rate for domestic marriages (Swiss married to Swiss) in Switzerland were at a record high of 50%. In the same year (1999), marriages with foreigners are comparatively better: Marriages between Swiss and German or Italian women have a comparatively better divorce rate: 40%. Marriages between Brazilian or Thai women and Swiss turned out to be more durable than expected, the divorce rate reached the low rate of 30%. Fantastically low divorce rates were reached at marriages with women from Colombia (20%). Marriages with women from the former USSR reached a rate of 15%; however, it must be noted that marriages between Swiss and Russians boom at the moment, and that the divorce rate is not that much meaningful, because the divorce rate rises with a time-lag. However, there are also marriages between Swiss and foreigners where the divorce rate is worse than the domestic rate: Marriages between Swiss and women from the Dominican Republic tend to work very badly, the divorce rate reached catastrophic sixty percent. Similarly, but not quite as bad, the divorce rate in marriages between Swiss and Philippine women reached 45%
So 85% success rate with women from the former USSR for the Swiss. The Swiss divorce rate is approaching 50%, yet these marriages are clocking in at 85% success rates.
Another major study called Negotiated Nuptials: A Transnational Analysis of the International Marriage Broker Industry and the Russian ‘Mail-Order Bride’ went into great detail proving how the women dont suffer abuse like the feminists are saying they do. At the same time, the research concludes that the vast majority of women looking for foreign husbands are genuine in their search. This thing even won some feminist prize or some shit. So not only does it prove that the feminists are exaggerating the rates of abuse, it also goes on to show how many of these arrangements are not only genuine but successful.
Thats one thing that turned up a hell of a lot was some ridiculous representations by feminists and the media too. The more I dug into it the more blatant it is. Clearly this is seen as a major threat to the harpies, because the lengths they are going to are ridiculous. The funniest example that I came across was a story about some English guy who started a marriage agency. He says in his interview that men are looking for feminine, traditional wives who are unspoiled by feminism, and he introduces them.
This is the response from some cunt about the whole thing, who equates it to human trafficking and slavery because these women tend to be housewives:
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However, couples can get around this obstacle by claiming they met through other avenues. There also tends to be little enforcement of IMBRA when the agencies are based outside the U.S. (Hand-In-Hand, for example, is registered in St. Kitts.) "The mail-order bride industry is a softer version of human trafficking," says Sonia Ossorio, executive director of the New York City chapter of the National Organization for Women. Ossorio also acknowledges that some relationships work out—but perhaps not in a way that would please Betty Friedan. "A lot of people who are attracted to it are just looking for a woman who's docile and obedient," she says.
For some companies, such submissiveness is a selling point. Hand-In-Hand's website trumpets the fact that its females are "unspoiled by feminism." Company founder Weiner argues this form of chauvinism—like the mail-order bride business itself—is economically motivated. "You take a beautiful woman from the Czech Republic and you bring her into your home, she does all your cooking and cleaning and ironing," he says. "At the end of the day, the service is free." Hand-In-Hand estimates the potential savings of a homemaking wife at $150 per week.
Housewives are slaves.
To make matters worse, the same article is then republished, and when it is the headlines are a complete misrepresentation of the interview and business as a whole
Here is the first headline
The Mail-Order-Bride Trade Is Flourishing
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/con...page_2.htm
Here is the second headline on the same article
Former I-Banker's Mail Order Bride Business Sells Women Who Are "Unspoiled By Feminism"
http://www.businessinsider.com/investmen...e9640e0000
Here is the third headline
Former Investment Banker’s Human-Trafficking Business Is Booming
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/01/eve...nted-24h-5
Laughable. Frikken laughable.
There is very little research that has been done on marriage between foreigners and nationals and their success rates for some reason. Seems like no one wants to touch it, or what is more likely, they cant get it through peer review.
I think they would make for very interesting reading and I would not be surprised if we see stats very similar to what happened in Switzerland. Not only were the marriages between foreign women and local men more successful, marriages between local women and foreign men were a disaster. Not the sort of thing feminized universities and organizations want to see published, thats for sure.
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Can you imagine what sort of dude resorts to a mail order bride? While I dont think its the case for all of them, I think in 95% of cases you are dealing with highly introverted guys who have always been hopeless with women. They are probably middle income to upper middle income, middle aged to elderly and either cant land a date or have been raped in divorce court already and are throwing the towel in. I also think that a lot of them will punch way above their weight, trying to marry women far too young or incredibly good looking women while they have very little going for them looks wise. I also think that many dont understand the cultures of these women.
So here we have average looking guys with moderate incomes and no ability with women who are still able not only marry hotter women than they would get at home, they are younger, more feminine and traditional too.
The biggest farce of all? 80% of these arrangements are actually working according to statistics, while the rest of their countrymen will see 50% of their marriages end in divorce and family court rape
Now I know there are guys who marry foreign women that end up taking them to the cleaners. The thing is, these guys are being taken to the cleaners far less often than they would be if they married local chicks. And if they did take a chance on a local chick, she would be no where near what the foreign wife was in quality either.
I am also willing to bet that many of these "foreign women" who everyone tells horror stories about just so happen to be women who immigrated here when young or were sent to study in western universities and colleges, and after a few years in our indoctrination camps they come out the other end far more fucked up than when they went in. They are not a complete representation of foreign women because their exposure to our culture is far deeper than someone who moved and lived there for a long period of time.
And I can say, based on what I see with Australian men who are marrying foreign women in droves now, particularly Asian, that the divorce rates are far lower, despite major age differences between couples.
Now I am not saying that this shit does not happen, but its quite clearly being blown way out of proportion.