[aphelion]

I dunno. A fair amount of what he says is useful but the presentation just skeeves me out.

Then again, if he's getting laid, obviously it works because blue pill guys who behave like that are normally Class V virgins.

[XXL]

(01-09-2013 10:30 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 06:34 AM)XXL Wrote:  

RSD response

His body language wreaks of insecurity. Which makes me suspect he is lying. I've stood in front of and instructed of professionals. Worming around like that with hands in pockets and making funny voices would get you laughed at and ignored....

[rmo]

The reason red pill is consitently better then to PUA community, especially in terms of game, is that they produce tested content reliably with very little requirement for marketability unlike pickup.

Redpill: we're a community, you should support the heavy contributors so they can contribute. You're support will get you a sick ass product like 'the way of men' or whatever

PUA: WANT TO GET LAID?
BUY OUR 12 DISC SET OR YOU'RE A PATHETIC FAGGOT. USE TRICKS AND SHIT TO FUCK SLOOTS! We're internet marketers harnessing the power of men who can't get laid, let me split test that real fast.

RSD is way ahead of most pua groups, but I would beat the crap out of Owen (Tyler) if I had a chance, just because he uses Tyler Durden and he's this little ginger asswipe.

[xsplat]

(03-01-2013 03:05 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

I dunno. A fair amount of what he says is useful but the presentation just skeeves me out.

Ya, I'm the same way, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it before. I can't get past a few minutes of watching any Tyler video. Something about his presentation or manner. Not a personality that I find pleasing. Maybe the content is useful, but 1) I can't stand the slow pace of actionable information delivery, and 2) I find his persona to be grating, making viewing the presentation uncomfortable and unpleasant.

[TheMan]

(03-01-2013 04:47 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 10:30 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 06:34 AM)XXL Wrote:  

RSD response

His body language wreaks of insecurity. Which makes me suspect he is lying. I've stood in front of and instructed of professionals. Worming around like that with hands in pockets and making funny voices would get you laughed at and ignored....

Not necessarily. At times it kinda looks like public speaking is / was one of his sticking points, and the fidgety-leaking could just be the fight between his learned techniques and inherant anxiety, bubbling out. [/Devil's Advocate ]

[DarkTriad]

(03-02-2013 02:14 AM)xsplat Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:05 PM)aphelion Wrote:  

I dunno. A fair amount of what he says is useful but the presentation just skeeves me out.

Ya, I'm the same way, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it before. I can't get past a few minutes of watching any Tyler video. Something about his presentation or manner. Not a personality that I find pleasing. Maybe the content is useful, but 1) I can't stand the slow pace of actionable information delivery, and 2) I find his persona to be grating, making viewing the presentation uncomfortable and unpleasant.

Unless it's an infield, I hate video just for the reason that text transmits concepts so much faster. Video is good for upselling product tho.

[Sebastian]

If we are talking about, 'that video' (where Tyler approaches in a crazy manner) on youtube, you will know that's for entertainment if you are right right minded person. (maybe you can do that several times a year in vegas, spring breaks, mardi gras though)
That's just for marketing.(great way to boost their motivation to Sign Up)
Who wants to see a hollywood action movie if the actors fight in a real manner?
Can we use cool spinning hook kick in real street fight?

A person with decent IQ will understand, that's just for entertainment and won't think like 'hm that's cool, I should use it if I get into fight'

[Nascimento]

RSD will always be successful. They market themselves very well.

I do have to say they do put out some quality material. Apparently there was a bad vibe about them when they first started, but I say this based on knowing about them and having watched some of their videos within the past year. Having said that, some of their stuff (especially Tyler's) should be taken with a grain of salt.

95% of the RSD audience, whether that be through online videos or actual bootcamps/paid seminars, are your average aspiring beta/chode. Most, if not 94% of these guys will never progress beyond that stage. Why? Because they are paying money to try and fix their issues. Rather, the actual way to progress is through hard work and dedication. Also, they assume their issue is entirely seduction skills with women, but usually it consists of other factors, such as social anxiety, self image, and possibly mental disorders that come as a result of that (ie depression). I don't blame them for trying to get help or to improve (as they should) but they are doing it through the wrong methods.

They believe paying $1000 or whatever the price is for a weekend with an instructor one on one and out in the field will solve their issues once and for all.. Or at least set them up in the right track. Except they won't get much out of this besides rejection experience and watching the instructors in action (which is no good if you can't really relate to them). RSD talks a lot about being in your own reality, but that advice isn't helpful to most of these guys who need to learn to construct it first.

Rather, these guys should take 3 months and get their life straightened out. Start working out, focus on career/school, make some money, pick up a new hobby or two. Start to socialize more during day-to-day life. Force yourself out on weekends, with friends, or SOLO just for the fear challenging experience. Start to build yourself from within.

In 3 months, go back to game. These guys will now be in a much better position to learn. And no, not from a bootcamp or workshop. But if they've got the money, doesn't make a difference to me.

[Sebastian]

(04-12-2013 06:31 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

RSD will always be successful. They market themselves very well.

95% of the RSD audience, whether that be through online videos or actual bootcamps/paid seminars, are your average aspiring beta/chode.

I am sure they are just average guys like us. But only very few will make such decision to go to bootcamps. But 0.1% of chodes, that's a big market.

Out of just common sense, how weird is it to go to bootcamps?
can you talk to your parents, friends or girls about this? Why?
because they are retarded and won't undersand what the concept is?

[Nascimento]

(04-12-2013 07:20 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

I am sure they are just average guys like us. But only very few will make such decision to go to bootcamps. But 0.1% of chodes, that's a big market.

Out of just common sense, how weird is it to go to bootcamps?
can you talk to your parents, friends or girls about this? Why?
because they are retarded and won't undersand what the concept is?

The difference though is that some of us go through with it. I was definitely a chode/beta (ironic, current title under my name), and maybe still am to some extent. But I had to go through a lot over the past year to get to where I am. And it was HARD. Throughout this time I tried to introduce a few buddies into the game, but virtually all of them couldn't keep up with it. Maybe the hardest part about it is admitting that you suck with women and need to change. I knew that was a necessary step for me back then.

I guess it comes down to how much you want it.

I imagine most men that attend these bootcamps are men in the 25+ age bracket. At this point they are likely living seperate from their parents, and might or might not clue it in to their close friends about it. Definitely no girls in their life would be knowing about it, because there are none, otherwise they wouldn't be attending a bootcamp.

[Idlenations]

In all honesty from what i gather RSD seems like a cult that preys on lonely men. When it comes down to it picking up woman is simply a numbers game and the best way to improve your ratio is by improving yourself and that's why i enjoy this forum for all the amazing advice on offer.

[XXL]

RSD rationale is.. to get your sex life handled and reach your personal goal (GF, harem, pua) you need to learn how to be good with women in general. To know how to be women in general you need to learn how to communicate with them in a way that makes you attractive. And to communicate with women in attractive manner you it's best to know what's the root of attraction and the principles of human communication/behavior. In short they break down face to face communication and mechanics of interaction with the emphasis on cold approach.

On the other side you got "handle your life first and come back to game then" approach. Well, it's nice advice but in terms of girls it doesn't really help a guy who still doesn't know how to flirt with girls and lead them to bed. He learned 2 languages and is on strict diet, cool, but there he is, sitting next to cute latina in a cafe trying to come up with something to say because he didn't learn that with proper subcommunications he could say almost anything. So he might be cool guy with "good heart" but he's still dependent on social circle/school/work environment to meet a girl.

And here comes RSD with.. "your lifestyle is cool but it doesn't give you freedom to talk to any girl you want. You need to develop your personality and social skills to be able to meet girls regardless of the situation /weather / circumstances / friends / city / lifestyle / money / look / etc". That's why they don't tell guys to go travel for a month before game can start. They just teach pure pickup and let you deal with your lifestyle on your own. Cause truth is, it is possible to be just a regular joe, almost like a ghost from nowhere, and hit up some clubs after midnight take a cute girl home and make her your GF afterwards. Pure game. But then of course some people get massively caught up with that and leave schools and fuck themselves over. But that's like with anything. Eminem music, I was the biggest fan, did I ever "choked some whore 'til the vocal cords didn't work in her throat no more" ?

The little secret is that once a guy starts getting results with pure game but he's fat and sex is wack the he WILL start working out, when he's broke and he'd to take his girls on summer trip abroad he WILL want to get his shit together.

Also, why would pickup company have to teach everything, from game to lifestyle making money etc? We learn different things from different sources. You can learn game from one source, travel tips from other, marketing from Seth, social media from Gary, people skills from Dale, networking from Keith, fitness from Shaun T, etc.

Balance is an ideal.

[Fathom]

People making comments on RSD who only know about them from The Game and others who think they are "in Canada" just shows you how unbalanced the views on RSD are here.

The bad thing about RSD is that their whole inner game approach invariably attracts damaged teenies and the occasional psychopath narcissist who interprets the RSD philosophy as, "I'm the best and anyone who points me out for the moron I am must be jealous."

That said, the basic concepts of RSD are invaluable. I have gamed with people who have done bootcamps and they were out of this world. While one guy, who has spent two years downloading corny ass Lance Mason videos, is pulling out a cheat sheet with opinion openers from his back pocket, the RSD guy randomly steps in a chick's way, grabs her by the shoulders, spouts some retarded nonsense and the next thing you know she's laughing her ass off and laying her hand on his face.

I always find it amusing, this trollish kneejerk hatred of RSD, and it always comes from the dolts who know fuck all about them. That alone is an indication RSD must be having some success, and the wannabe "I'm not a PUA, I'm something much better" frustrated chumps can feel it.

[Hades]

Tyler Durden sounds and acts like an aspy.

[All or Nothing]

(04-13-2013 05:31 AM)Hades Wrote:  

Tyler Durden sounds and acts like an aspy.

It's OK though because he meditates:

[Hades]

(04-13-2013 05:46 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 05:31 AM)Hades Wrote:  

Tyler Durden sounds and acts like an aspy.

It's OK though because he meditates:

hahahaha

Yeah I get the feeling by listening to his 30 minute lectures that he's talked to so many airheaded bimbos that hang onto his every indirect game canned routine it's given him some low level brain damage. The guy makes like one or two points and never answers a question directly. I don't doubt that this gets him laid if he can talk basically forever but diluting information with bullshit is one of the worst habits that any teacher can fall into if he wants his students to learn shit effectively.

The one video posted earlier, for example. Tyler rambles incoherently for half an hour about his approach to bang conversion rate.

5 minutes of one of Roosh's videos is probably equivalent to an hour of listening to this guy. Roosh makes direct points and addresses his audience like men.

[Screwston]

I don't like seeing guys who have a hard time with girls being ripped off by these clowns. They know what they're doing and these suckers are for falling for it because they probably don't know any players to get advice from or watch. It's their only choice. Their website says they charge $2,000 to $2,500 for a 3 day "bootcamp". Anyone is free to come down here and get lessons from the baby faced master. Tips are welcome though.

[reino341]

Anyone ever heard of confirmation bias?

Quote:

The Misconception: Your opinions are the result of years of rational, objective analysis.

The Truth: Your opinions are the result of years of paying attention to information which confirmed what you believed while ignoring information which challenged your preconceived notions.

[reino341]

oops

[Volk]

I thought I was the only one who thought it was impossible to listen to their instructors rambling. In all fairness, though, Mr. Cook also advocates not taking it all without questioning, but to choose what is useful for you and make your own conclusions.

[Rorogue]

delete

[casa-nostra]

paying an RSD to learn game LOOL you should be too stupid to do that

Pay that amount to improve your physicall appearence and your confidance and success will raise automatically.

[Elmore]

Is this whole sham still working now? I remember about five years ago coming across some of their vids, finding bits of value here and there, but it all seemed VERY culty and Snake-Oily. I lost my interest in PUA around 2015/16, it all seemed to feel dated, tired and played out. I assumed the bottom must have fallen out of it all in recent years, with all the METOO bullshit, especially in the States around the coasts.

The sort of stuff RSD seemed to preach back then, would now be borderline suicidal to young guys to go out there and implement. There was 'the claw' and grabbing girls on the dancefloor and all this cheeseball try hard shit. Then some guy called Jeffy talking about his 'rape van', which i get was kinda a joke, but nowadays, fucking hell, that is not going to play well.... Didnt one of their guys get dragged thru the mud a few years back? A Swiss or German guy i think. Julian wasn't it?

[Fen]

(04-05-2019 01:45 PM)Elmore Wrote:  

Is this whole sham still working now? I remember about five years ago coming across some of their vids, finding bits of value here and there, but it all seemed VERY culty and Snake-Oily. I lost my interest in PUA around 2015/16, it all seemed to feel dated, tired and played out. I assumed the bottom must have fallen out of it all in recent years, with all the METOO bullshit, especially in the States around the coasts.

The sort of stuff RSD seemed to preach back then, would now be borderline suicidal to young guys to go out there and implement. There was 'the claw' and grabbing girls on the dancefloor and all this cheeseball try hard shit. Then some guy called Jeffy talking about his 'rape van', which i get was kinda a joke, but nowadays, fucking hell, that is not going to play well.... Didnt one of their guys get dragged thru the mud a few years back? A Swiss or German guy i think. Julian wasn't it?

Yep it was definitely Julian. I watched one of his online camps and I remember his strategy for LMR being to roll over and jack off in front of the girl (I refer to it as Harvey Weinsteining)... And now he acts like a life coach.

[Rorogue]

I bumped this thread last night to write what I'm about to write but I deleted it.

I watched an RSD Tyler 2 hour talk yesterday and it completely messed up my mind.

RSD take the fun out of seduction. I was meant to have a day of approaches today (Saturday afternoon), but feel stifled and confused. Walking around like a deer in headlights.

Tyler obviously has a high iq (probably 140+) and also has asbergers (he says).. he breaks game up into such unnecessary detail.

The audience doesn't need to hear 80% of the shit he says..he is just grandstanding and boasting.

that and he doesn't go into the red pill.

I don't want to ever take in RSD content again.

apparently they are finishing up in pickup now and switching to self development...Good riddance

I would recommend anyone else that's ever taught seduction before RSD

Roosh's article was ahead of it's time