[Partizan]

(10-22-2012 01:17 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

Having spent some months in Turkey I feel like I should add my 2cents on the topic.
The number of marriages between Turks and Russian is higher than you may suspect.

I heard many time, both from girls and boys that: "Russian girls love Turkish man".
Thing is this may be not true in Ukraine or Russia mainland because they probably feel the social stigma of dating non-European man, but this doesn't apply in Turkey.
When slavic girls hit the beach resorts of Antalya, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir and Alanya they often have some kind of relations with the locals, that often use super-direct game and compliment them a lot.
In Istanbul it's the same, there is a number of Russians/Ukranian girls that found local men as boyfriends, sponsors or husbands.

This is to say that I don't think slavic girls don't like the middle eastern/turkish guys per se', but they probably shut them down because of social pressure or poor game and looks.

+1

I think it is a case of not shitting on one's doorstep. I have found that with Irish girls too with the stigma there. They would not be seen with darker men in Ireland in case of what her family/neighbours would think or say but when they go abroad, it is an entirely different story. Kamaki mentioned the high number of Russian girls (something like 200,000) who have married Turkish men having met them on holidays in Turkey. Russian and Ukrainian women do go to Turkey and many do get smashed by the locals. However that does not happen to the same extent in Russia. Even myself (white Irish) have been on the receiving end of comments from locals having been with their women.

[jimukr104]

yes i mentioned in earlier post over 200k Russian girls married to Turks(not Kamaki,lol). To be honest this turk hate most have come about after visa restrictions were lifted and swarms of sex tourists came. When i lived in Kiev 2003 Turks were doing ok, i mean i not sure if they worked harder or not. maybe hell do good in Odessa? odessa also probably over swarmed with them ,however Turkish mafia has presence there and might keep them in line,dunno. Alot of Odessans are a mix of Turk and other southern features.
The age group that was 13 and over 10 years ago ,now over 25 i do not think are so anti Turk. As Timmy21 said they dream of traveling to italy and southern countries more than anywhere else. Plus alot of Ukrainians go to Turkey to meet Turkish guys for holiday fucking. Main reason chicks go there other than cost is the attention they get. it must be a difference between western and eastern ukrainians.
In anycase I know all women over 25yr today dig me because because 10 years ago(13 YR OLD S AND OLDER) they use to pinch my ass i n the street and whisper to each other how handsome I am(i n russian).Mind you i am white looking(Russian descent) but have like Brooklyn ITALIAN looks, and resemble a young Travolta. My wife and friends explained it to me that i looked like a Russian matinee idol that they all loved. Why is this relevant? On other forum there was a Finnish guy who doing horrible, the members found out he had a stache like Hitler. Connection is they seem to categorize us into groups. If alot of Turks fuck up they see all Turks as fucked up. Makes sense based on their irrational thinking(socialist). The key to success then is the represent something they like. i wonder who Slubu looks like. Until Russia gets overwhelmed with Turks, I surpose it might be better, however i still say try turning what they see negatively into a positive .You are Georgian. i honestly do not see how eastern Ukrainians who are Russians will balk at a Georgian. Google it, if you do not believe me, they were the Don Juan's of the FSU.

[jimukr104]

READ
http://www.readrussia.com/magazine/winter-2008/00046/

[Wolverine]

I find it ridiculous that white guys on this forum think they have the authority to comment on racial issues in the FSU. Its not something that affects them and they have zero clue the same way as i, a tanned guy, has zero clue as to what its like to be a black male in sth africa.

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.

In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

This is not a theory of mine the girls will gleefully admit this themselves with zero trepidation if you ask them.

Tanned and dark guys that come to the FSU without fluent Russian will be hunting for scraps basically. Its a dating market these guys dont have access to and game / tactics are irrelevant.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt but the Russian girls i saw on holiday in Thailand, Crete, Cyprus and Barcelona were only going for Russian or white (northern) European men.

[jimukr104]

i think what people are saying is that they do ok. Theres obviously a reason they are enjoying their time there. besides I be happy to have 5% of the pop. actually dig me and pursue me.
maybe I suck in math but :
5% (who digs them) vs 1% (who actually really desires relationships with foreigners)=+4 who digs them ,LOL
of course all this discussion is ridiculous, like 99% of whats said on any forum, but we are trying to make a exact science out of social sciences. Guess what? it has barely ever been done before i n the realm of Academia ,shall we succeed? doubt it.
personally if i was young again and unmarried i wouldn't mind being a minority group in a foreign country .i will tell you why. i never really had real game, just street smarts and observant, partly from having parents in the nightclub business and spending my childhood often in a disco room , i am also very lazy and wait for girls t o chase me. Thank god FSU girls both stateside and in FSU chased me often enough. If I was lets say black, all i would have to do is walk down the street in lets say ,Hungary and the 2% of girls who like me would make it known because i would be thier Chance at something exotic. Well golly geez, 2% of 2 million people is alot. my black us miltary friends got laid easier in alot of countries than the white guys because the girls found them ,while the white guys blend in with the locals. My cop buddy, indian kid, was years ago the Embassy guard at moscow and spent a few months fill in in Kiev as well. he got more pussy then anyone here I bet.
Hey it even works in my profession. NYers are liberals who hate cops , but we still have our cop groupies. its so common theres a name for it, badgebunnies, and they are 90% hot and usually between age of 17-30, and age makes no difference to them. i always thought that FDNY and NYPD had it made, we can actually fuck 18 yr old when we are pass 35 and d o not have to leave the country,lol. The problem is its only 1% of pop. at best ,ill take those numbers anyday
lol so common even book written
http://www.amazon.com/Badge-Bunnies-Wome...B003TLMNZ2

[jimukr104]

Another thought. Except for Greek Kamaki and DEb Auchery no one has any idea of hit ratios. Greek admits he hits o n a few dozen per day .Deb admitted he hits on Every girl walking by. Until BanG Ukraine comes out none of us really know what is good or bad. Everyone is getting laid there, are men would not be there and even stay to live there. trust me most female expats leave as soon as possible. We do not know how many girls the African guys hit on per day ,nor the Turks. In fact non of the latest city data sheets give an idea. Like Greek kamaki said, some people just have to hit on more. Industrial shitholes= less ONS ,thats a fact ,for local guys as well. Cosmopolitan cities like KIEV = potential of more ONS. I am stating the obvious. But how many chicks must you go to to get a girl whos interested? how many of those lead to phone numbesr or ONS? Thats really all that can be measured for improving ones game. For example there are guys living in Kiev who do not have it easy, however, they are expats and go out at most 2 times a week and approach 1 girl each night.Is there batting record so bad? There lack of game ,plus time means it might take months for them to get laid.In 2 months maybe they only met 16 girls? While Kamaki hits on 36 per day. We all can figure out who will have a better 2 month vacation.
Another issue when one is on vacation, its easier to get over approach anxiety for most. When you actually work someplace and become known, for alot of people approach anxiety returns.
FSU winter depression also stops peoples game for a few months. I remember not going out much myself. There was so much slippery ice on the sidewalks i would actually fall on my ass and slide for like 8-10 feet. Large ice sharp as knives fall off the roofs and can kill you. Trust me game hypernates when you got month after month of this shit.

[WanderingSoul]

(10-22-2012 07:03 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Hey it even works in my profession. NYers are liberals who hate cops , but we still have our cop groupies. its so common theres a name for it, badgebunnies, and they are 90% hot and usually between age of 17-30, and age makes no difference to them. i always thought that FDNY and NYPD had it made, we can actually fuck 18 yr old when we are pass 35 and d o not have to leave the country,lol. The problem is its only 1% of pop. at best ,ill take those numbers anyday
lol so common even book written
http://www.amazon.com/Badge-Bunnies-Wome...B003TLMNZ2

Don't lie......EVERYONE hates cops.

[jimukr104]

(10-22-2012 09:11 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 07:03 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Hey it even works in my profession. NYers are liberals who hate cops , but we still have our cop groupies. its so common theres a name for it, badgebunnies, and they are 90% hot and usually between age of 17-30, and age makes no difference to them. i always thought that FDNY and NYPD had it made, we can actually fuck 18 yr old when we are pass 35 and d o not have to leave the country,lol. The problem is its only 1% of pop. at best ,ill take those numbers anyday
lol so common even book written
http://www.amazon.com/Badge-Bunnies-Wome...B003TLMNZ2

Don't lie......EVERYONE hates cops.

MUHAHAHAHA....

[Way Cool Jr]

(10-22-2012 06:03 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.
In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt

My last post, since it's going to get off-topic, but...
This says all, go to Egypt, Turkey or even to Marocco and you will see with your own eyes.

Anyway it's totally normal that slavic girls have a preference for slavic and white guys, that's what they come from.
They're fathers, grandfathers, brothers and family members are like that.
The only way to pass their specific genetic characteristics (as bright eyes, fair skin, slavic ceekbones and facial features) is to reproduce with guys that are from this parts of the world.
Therefore guys from their home countries and to a lesser extent guys which are relatively similar will remain to most girls the preferred choices for long term relations.

[jimukr104]

(10-23-2012 12:34 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 06:03 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.
In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt

My last post, since it's going to get off-topic, but...
This says all, go to Egypt, Turkey or even to Marocco and you will see with your own eyes.

Anyway it's totally normal that slavic girls have a preference for slavic and white guys, that's what they come from.
They're fathers, grandfathers, brothers and family members are like that.
The only way to pass their specific genetic characteristics (as bright eyes, fair skin, slavic ceekbones and facial features) is to reproduce with guys that are from this parts of the world.
Therefore guys from their home countries and to a lesser extent guys which are relatively similar will remain to most girls the preferred choices for long term relations.

Very true ,except the eastern slav that makes up Russians is a large mix of nationalities and even races. Turks, Tartars, Huns, Persians ,Greeks, Vikings, and a dozen other groups make up the genetic gene pool of what modern day Russians essentially are. Westerners get distracted by the number of leggy blondes and fail to realize dark eyes and hair is still the dominant trait, same as it was in Nazi Germany. I have seen more different looking girls in FSU than I knew existed. Ukrainians are more MUTTS than even Russia. Ukraine means literally "borderland", and girls have been pillaged for centuries. If you are astute , you can stand in Kiev and see all the different looks and features they have. GO to southern Ukraine and you will see more tanned black sea coast looking girls. Their racism against Turks is kind of irrational considering most Ukainians and alot of Russians already have Turkish genes. There was a scientific study done on Turks trying to classify them .As you know there are debates if Turks are Europeans or Middleasten/Asians. The result classified them as Euro because of the Eastern Euro genes found in them.
Within families you will even see differences . For example me and my brother are dark featured, my parents are dark featured ,my aunt , uncle and grandparents are leggy blondes with blue/green eyes. If My father married my moms sister i would have a larger chance to come out light hair and eyes.
As someone who likes history , this is all interesting, but if they only like white ,that means more for me

[EPMD]

(10-23-2012 01:51 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:34 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 06:03 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.
In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt

My last post, since it's going to get off-topic, but...
This says all, go to Egypt, Turkey or even to Marocco and you will see with your own eyes.

Anyway it's totally normal that slavic girls have a preference for slavic and white guys, that's what they come from.
They're fathers, grandfathers, brothers and family members are like that.
The only way to pass their specific genetic characteristics (as bright eyes, fair skin, slavic ceekbones and facial features) is to reproduce with guys that are from this parts of the world.
Therefore guys from their home countries and to a lesser extent guys which are relatively similar will remain to most girls the preferred choices for long term relations.

Very true ,except the eastern slav that makes up Russians is a large mix of nationalities and even races. Turks, Tartars, Huns, Persians ,Greeks, Vikings, and a dozen other groups make up the genetic gene pool of what modern day Russians essentially are. Westerners get distracted by the number of leggy blondes and fail to realize dark eyes and hair is still the dominant trait, same as it was in Nazi Germany. I have seen more different looking girls in FSU than I knew existed. Ukrainians are more MUTTS than even Russia. Ukraine means literally "borderland", and girls have been pillaged for centuries. If you are astute , you can stand in Kiev and see all the different looks and features they have. GO to southern Ukraine and you will see more tanned black sea coast looking girls. Their racism against Turks is kind of irrational considering most Ukainians and alot of Russians already have Turkish genes. There was a scientific study done on Turks trying to classify them .As you know there are debates if Turks are Europeans or Middleasten/Asians. The result classified them as Euro because of the Eastern Euro genes found in them.
As someone who likes history , this is all interesting, but if they only like white ,that means more for me

It is rational really, many Balkan countries have a dislike for Turks, which goes back to Ottoman times. To this day there is little love lost for Turks in the Balkans/ Central Europe/ Ukraine

[jimukr104]

(10-23-2012 02:03 PM)EPMD Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:51 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:34 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 06:03 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.
In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt

My last post, since it's going to get off-topic, but...
This says all, go to Egypt, Turkey or even to Marocco and you will see with your own eyes.

Anyway it's totally normal that slavic girls have a preference for slavic and white guys, that's what they come from.
They're fathers, grandfathers, brothers and family members are like that.
The only way to pass their specific genetic characteristics (as bright eyes, fair skin, slavic ceekbones and facial features) is to reproduce with guys that are from this parts of the world.
Therefore guys from their home countries and to a lesser extent guys which are relatively similar will remain to most girls the preferred choices for long term relations.

Very true ,except the eastern slav that makes up Russians is a large mix of nationalities and even races. Turks, Tartars, Huns, Persians ,Greeks, Vikings, and a dozen other groups make up the genetic gene pool of what modern day Russians essentially are. Westerners get distracted by the number of leggy blondes and fail to realize dark eyes and hair is still the dominant trait, same as it was in Nazi Germany. I have seen more different looking girls in FSU than I knew existed. Ukrainians are more MUTTS than even Russia. Ukraine means literally "borderland", and girls have been pillaged for centuries. If you are astute , you can stand in Kiev and see all the different looks and features they have. GO to southern Ukraine and you will see more tanned black sea coast looking girls. Their racism against Turks is kind of irrational considering most Ukainians and alot of Russians already have Turkish genes. There was a scientific study done on Turks trying to classify them .As you know there are debates if Turks are Europeans or Middleasten/Asians. The result classified them as Euro because of the Eastern Euro genes found in them.
As someone who likes history , this is all interesting, but if they only like white ,that means more for me

It is rational really, many Balkan countries have a dislike for Turks, which goes back to Ottoman times. To this day there is little love lost for Turks in the Balkans/ Central Europe/ Ukraine

yes, its completely rational on a nationality level, considering the history. However , its not rational on a racial level being that both groups share so much in- breeding that they genetically are so similar. It's been done before in history. The Japanese and Koreans, 2 groups that both at one time or another have disliked the other and thought themselves better based on being more PURE race.

[EPMD]

(10-23-2012 02:19 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 02:03 PM)EPMD Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 01:51 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 12:34 PM)Way Cool Jr Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 06:03 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.
In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt

My last post, since it's going to get off-topic, but...
This says all, go to Egypt, Turkey or even to Marocco and you will see with your own eyes.

Anyway it's totally normal that slavic girls have a preference for slavic and white guys, that's what they come from.
They're fathers, grandfathers, brothers and family members are like that.
The only way to pass their specific genetic characteristics (as bright eyes, fair skin, slavic ceekbones and facial features) is to reproduce with guys that are from this parts of the world.
Therefore guys from their home countries and to a lesser extent guys which are relatively similar will remain to most girls the preferred choices for long term relations.

Very true ,except the eastern slav that makes up Russians is a large mix of nationalities and even races. Turks, Tartars, Huns, Persians ,Greeks, Vikings, and a dozen other groups make up the genetic gene pool of what modern day Russians essentially are. Westerners get distracted by the number of leggy blondes and fail to realize dark eyes and hair is still the dominant trait, same as it was in Nazi Germany. I have seen more different looking girls in FSU than I knew existed. Ukrainians are more MUTTS than even Russia. Ukraine means literally "borderland", and girls have been pillaged for centuries. If you are astute , you can stand in Kiev and see all the different looks and features they have. GO to southern Ukraine and you will see more tanned black sea coast looking girls. Their racism against Turks is kind of irrational considering most Ukainians and alot of Russians already have Turkish genes. There was a scientific study done on Turks trying to classify them .As you know there are debates if Turks are Europeans or Middleasten/Asians. The result classified them as Euro because of the Eastern Euro genes found in them.
As someone who likes history , this is all interesting, but if they only like white ,that means more for me

It is rational really, many Balkan countries have a dislike for Turks, which goes back to Ottoman times. To this day there is little love lost for Turks in the Balkans/ Central Europe/ Ukraine

yes, its completely rational on a nationality level, considering the history. However , its not rational on a racial level being that both groups share so much in- breeding that they genetically are so similar. It's been done before in history. The Japanese and Koreans, 2 groups that both at one time or another have disliked the other and thought themselves better based on being more PURE race.

Well that inbreeding was likely to have been a long time ago, a Greek guy isn't going to give a damn whether his great great great great grandfather was a Turk,they generally hate each other.

I may well have some Turkish blood in me somewhere down the line, doesn't mean I have to like them. My great x 7 grandmother could have been raped by an Ottoman invader

[temujin]

(10-22-2012 07:51 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Another issue when one is on vacation, its easier to get over approach anxiety for most. When you actually work someplace and become known, for alot of people approach anxiety returns.
FSU winter depression also stops peoples game for a few months. I remember not going out much myself. There was so much slippery ice on the sidewalks i would actually fall on my ass and slide for like 8-10 feet. Large ice sharp as knives fall off the roofs and can kill you. Trust me game hypernates when you got month after month of this shit.

This bears repeating. When you don't see sun for 4 months, the weather is arctic cold, and street life comes to a stand-still, your game swagger will quickly turn into a frosty, depressed grimace.

Now imagine year after year after year of such winters, and you can see why bang rates will decline from the initial euphoric highs.

[jimukr104]

(10-23-2012 03:10 PM)temujin Wrote:  

(10-22-2012 07:51 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  

Another issue when one is on vacation, its easier to get over approach anxiety for most. When you actually work someplace and become known, for alot of people approach anxiety returns.
FSU winter depression also stops peoples game for a few months. I remember not going out much myself. There was so much slippery ice on the sidewalks i would actually fall on my ass and slide for like 8-10 feet. Large ice sharp as knives fall off the roofs and can kill you. Trust me game hypernates when you got month after month of this shit.

This bears repeating. When you don't see sun for 4 months, the weather is arctic cold, and street life comes to a stand-still, your game swagger will quickly turn into a frosty, depressed grimace.

Now imagine year after year after year of such winters, and you can see why bang rates will decline from the initial euphoric highs.

tis the season to bunker down with a Dvushka or 2 and home entertain.

[rudebwoy]

(10-22-2012 06:03 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

I find it ridiculous that white guys on this forum think they have the authority to comment on racial issues in the FSU. Its not something that affects them and they have zero clue the same way as i, a tanned guy, has zero clue as to what its like to be a black male in sth africa.

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.

In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

This is not a theory of mine the girls will gleefully admit this themselves with zero trepidation if you ask them.

Tanned and dark guys that come to the FSU without fluent Russian will be hunting for scraps basically. Its a dating market these guys dont have access to and game / tactics are irrelevant.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt but the Russian girls i saw on holiday in Thailand, Crete, Cyprus and Barcelona were only going for Russian or white (northern) European men.

I am sorry but all these theories crack me up, Roosh showed me pics of the girls he dated in Kharkiv and they were alot better than the girls posted so far. He is off turkish descent albeit American, so according to the rational here he should have been fighting for "scraps".
I have travelled to a few places whereby I thought women would not respond to me, in my experience there will always be a few that will like my "kind".
Scandinavia is full of good looking well dressed men probably better looking than me, but I still got alot of attention from the ladies.

[Wolverine]

(10-23-2012 03:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I am sorry but all these theories crack me up, Roosh showed me pics of the girls he dated in Kharkiv and they were alot better than the girls posted so far. He is off turkish descent albeit American, so according to the rational here he should have been fighting for "scraps".
I have travelled to a few places whereby I thought women would not respond to me, in my experience there will always be a few that will like my "kind".
Scandinavia is full of good looking well dressed men probably better looking than me, but I still got alot of attention from the ladies.

Mate im sorry if i sounded defeatist. I think everyone should try the FSU experience, for cultural reasons if for no other reason. It will resonate far more than any trip to Europe will.

Plus some places need to experienced personally. I knew i wouldn't like Paris but i still had to go on the off chance my instinct was wrong.

Just appreciate that in Russia/Ukraine you will need to endure 80 rejections to get laid as the girls are racist against people of non pale white skin tone. Its not a nationality thing it relates to skin tone. I met a blonde Turkish guy in Lviv and he was getting laid once a week.

If this doesnt bother you then its not an issue.

But when you see some overweight white German dude who hasnt been laid in 2 years walking out of the club with the same calibre of woman you just pulled you will start to wonder why you came there in the first place.

[rudebwoy]

(10-23-2012 07:37 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

(10-23-2012 03:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I am sorry but all these theories crack me up, Roosh showed me pics of the girls he dated in Kharkiv and they were alot better than the girls posted so far. He is off turkish descent albeit American, so according to the rational here he should have been fighting for "scraps".
I have travelled to a few places whereby I thought women would not respond to me, in my experience there will always be a few that will like my "kind".
Scandinavia is full of good looking well dressed men probably better looking than me, but I still got alot of attention from the ladies.

Mate im sorry if i sounded defeatist. I think everyone should try the FSU experience, for cultural reasons if for no other reason. It will resonate far more than any trip to Europe will.

Plus some places need to experienced personally. I knew i wouldn't like Paris but i still had to go on the off chance my instinct was wrong.

Just appreciate that in Russia/Ukraine you will need to endure 80 rejections to get laid as the girls are racist against people of non pale white skin tone. Its not a nationality thing it relates to skin tone. I met a blonde Turkish guy in Lviv and he was getting laid once a week.

If this doesnt bother you then its not an issue.

But when you see some overweight white German dude who hasnt been laid in 2 years walking out of the club with the same calibre of woman you just pulled you will start to wonder why you came there in the first place.

I don't take it personally and it is one country, I have dated ukranian girls before although not in Ukraine. Like the polish girls I have dated (banged) there folks were very racist. I always told them my parents are very strict and would not accept me dating a white girl. That always changed the dynamic of the relationship in my favour. lol

Let's be honest, fat German dude is spending the money and girls will see him as an easy mark.

Russia is a place I would love to visit, Ukraine not so much but all the talk has me curious. I am more worried about safety than gaming women.

[Roosh]

Wolverine: are you sure you're not doing the "I didn't do well so no one else can do well" rationalization?

What is your sample size of men who only got scraps in Ukraine?

[Wolverine]

(10-23-2012 09:55 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Wolverine: are you sure you're not doing the "I didn't do well so no one else can do well" rationalization?

What is your sample size of men who only got scraps in Ukraine?

Its not about notches its about how many approaches/rejections one has to endure to achieve notches.

I've been in St Petersburg for the past 16 days and have only seen 1 dark foreigner in the company of an attractive girl. 2 nights ago i met a bunch of good looking Portuguese guys who said they felt marginalised by the women. They werent getting action but they hadnt regretted coming here either as it wasnt their sole purpose.

I usually have a low strike rate in my first 7-10 days until my western accent disappears. During this initiation period every girl i speak to gives me the xenophobic interrogation. Once my fluent Russian is restored im treated like a local and feel i can take my pick.

If i wasnt fluent in Russian i would not keep coming back here though.

[Greek kamaki]

I was recently in CR,Germany,Poland and the amount of old German men with bellies accompanied by young slavic hotties is absurd.In some cases even married German guys carried young slavic girls by arm with wife on the other side!It is clear the preferences of slavic women turn now to the direction of Germany,Scandinavia(as I witnessed on Crete) probably due to financial reasons(perceived stability of their economies contrary to Greek,Italian,Spanish one).It is a great time for Germanic guys to clear up in slavic lands(although I heard complains by slavic women that German guys do not approach them at all in Germany and they remain single despite good appearance and working there for long time).

[Rah]

(10-22-2012 06:03 PM)Wolverine Wrote:  

I find it ridiculous that white guys on this forum think they have the authority to comment on racial issues in the FSU. Its not something that affects them and they have zero clue the same way as i, a tanned guy, has zero clue as to what its like to be a black male in sth africa.

Bottom line is 90% of the girls in Russia and Ukraine categorically wont interact with a non-pale white male unless they speak clean Russian with no accent. Categorically.

In the provinces (eg. Kharkov) this goes up to 95%.

This is not a theory of mine the girls will gleefully admit this themselves with zero trepidation if you ask them.

Tanned and dark guys that come to the FSU without fluent Russian will be hunting for scraps basically. Its a dating market these guys dont have access to and game / tactics are irrelevant.

I have not been to Turkey or Egypt but the Russian girls i saw on holiday in Thailand, Crete, Cyprus and Barcelona were only going for Russian or white (northern) European men.

Can anyone else weigh in on this?

If this is even half true it would change my travel priorities significantly. I am the epitome of a pale skin, blue eyed white guy. I was born and raised in Hawaii and to date have never had a proper tan. I've had poor body image most my life due to thinking most girls preferred tan / dark guys. If there is anywhere on Earth that is objectively advantageous for pale skin I would be all about it.

I would think that being pale in the FSU / Russia would make you the opposite of exotic and make you less interesting as a foreigner.

Really trying not to feed into race trolling here, just honestly curious.

[slubu]

To wolverine, my friend is dark-skinned as indicated and I would hardly say 90% of the girls would not interact with him. He was making out with girls, fingering on the dance floor, etc. Nor was he fighting for scraps. It was just harder for him than it was for me, on average, as he had an additional hoop to jump through, i.e. the initial racial predisposition by the girls. People like Roosh or my friend that are actually from America and have game will likely, but not always, get over that hump. The guy who's actually from Istanbul and sporting a uni-brow will more times than not fail at passing that initial hump. Conversely it is not like I just tapped the first girl on the shoulder I saw and she looked at me and spread her legs - I did put in work and a lot of it.

I don't think we need pages of argument on this - we can summarize it as follows: If you look white, it will be easier. If you look non-white, it will be harder. But that doesn't mean the light skinned guys walk in and just say "ladies, the dick is here" and have young pussy fighting to mount them. Nor does it mean the dark skinned folk show up and get beaten, spit at and cursed until they go home crying. A factor is just that - a factor. Once you try and morph that into something that is wholly determinative then you are painting an incorrect picture.

[gadabout]

So after a shaky start I have to say things are going rather well. One SNL on Tuesday and a day time approach came though last night with little resistance. The talent is solid but venue selection is key as the type of girls vary hugely from gold diggers, sluts, prick teasers, students, hipsters, professionals (in the good sense), models etc... but I will bust out another summary at the end of my trip. For now I need to rest my tired penis and rotten liver.

[Lukecan]

3-4 years ago ukraine was a goldmine for turkish guys until they lifted the visa requirements , then all the low class pussy hungry Turks started pouring in numbers.