[Spartan]

(09-12-2012 04:23 PM)Kitsune Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 03:27 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 01:25 PM)j r Wrote:  

I can't imagine that any big cities are really that terrible. Even if you think DC is the worst, you can still regularly bang 6s and 7s and be on a 3 1/2-hour train ride the New York on Friday night. Even if Toronto is the worst, I'm sure it has suburbs and you can be on a 1 1/2 hour plane ride to Montreal on Friday night. Money opens up all sorts possibilities.

Perhaps some of us need to rely on location a lot more...not everyone can bag 6s/7s, especially those who need to put a lot more effort into socializing to get results.

I've decided to drop out of the top tier school I'm attending and head to a smaller town. My main goal is a happy and well balanced life.

Unfortunately, I don't see myself being able to succeed with pickup and career at the same time. I needed to do pickup full time for 2 months in Belarus to lead to 1 girlfriend. Its true, I was there during summer, but even in the regular year, it would still take a lot effort to do well. Even the girl I was dating noticed some of my social weak points and was a bit put off..

Thankfully, by prioritizing pickup I'm doing well. Even with a minimum of effort I do great in school...so that frees up my time for the real challenge of socializing and pickup.

Aren't you somewhat bothered by what these bold sentences say?

Not really. I don't really care about being a big shot career guy.
Even after graduating from this top tier school, I was planning on moving to a smaller city because i prefer the peace and quiet, slower pace of life.

Whats the point of having a big name degree if you want to work in a small city anyways? Odds are, the salary would be about the same anyways...maybe having a bit more prestige would be nice, but why spend 4 years being miserable to gain that?

I just value different things, and I can't do everything at once.
I work quite hard when I want to (learned a new language, lost 70lbs, etc).

But you have to really want something to work at it and focusing on what you want is a good thing.

[WestCoast]

Let me get this straight. You can be a top elite person in medical I believe but you think you should chase girls and live a slow life instead. Once you get burned by some girl you'll be back on this forum regretting this decision.

I'll stop trolling your posts now.

[MikeCF]

It sounds like you are giving up.

What is really going on?

[Spartan]

What, giving up? I am 100% not giving up. I am very commited to pickup and think finding a girl requires hard work and effort, but is very possible.

Career wise, medicine is socialized in Europe. Will my salary will depend on the prestige of the university I complete? I don't think by much. So why not attend a smaller town university where I'll enjoy the more relaxed lifestyle?

[MikeCF]

How old are you?

A man's peak isn't until his late 20s.

It's better to grind away and build a career while young.

[SVK]

^^^ Exactly. Mike is right on the money as always.

Spartan, what you are writing is just complete BS on so many levels. I think you are in your early 20s - you have PLENTY of time. However, if you fuck up your career it may be extremely hard to get it back on track. You can be a MD in America - if you become a top doc you will be pulling so much cash you won't know what to do with it. Not even talking about the immense satisfaction of saving lives on a daily basis. And as you get older money will get much more important in attraction and game/looks less important.

I cannot help but notice how much neediness and desperation reeks out of your posts. Dedicate to pickup? I don't even know what the fuck that means. I can understand Roosh since for him game is both hobby AND work, but if you are not in that business for fucks sake dedicate your life to more worthwhile causes than chasing worthless hoes. Women are not a goal in worthy man's life, just a reward for a man's hard day's work. Like a good meal.

Now I'm not saying to stop chasing pussy. On the contrary. But don't let it be your focus. First rule of pickup, at least for me, is not giving a fuck. You must learn to be happy by yourself, find happiness from within. From your posts it is clear you give way much of a fuck. You put pussy on an enormous pedestal.

You have some major growing up to do. This is fine, you are young. Just please don't fuck up your future in the process. You have older, wiser men giving you good advice, take it.

Get into the top school. Study with focus. Make as many friends as possible, grow a good social circle. Become friendly and social. This alone will get you laid while in college almost effortlessly.

[Spartan]

(09-12-2012 07:19 PM)SVK Wrote:  

I think you are in your early 20s -
Become friendly and social. This alone will get you laid while in college almost effortlessly.

mid 20s. I'm going to spend my peak years in a city I dislike if I stayed.

Becoming social and finishin school is too much, simply not enough time in the day..the demand of studying are immense..and I need a lot of time to see results and school is already s full time occupstion due to long class hours.

Finally, does a more prestigious degree matter? As i've said before, will I make any more money if my goal is to live in small town Europe anyways? (why would I not live where I want to ?)

[worldwidetraveler]

Some major trolling going on with some of Spartan's posts.

Spartan, do what you want. Stop posting questions and then arguing with people when they don't agree with you.

[Spartan]

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Some major trolling going on with some of Spartan's posts.

Spartan, do what you want. Stop posting questions and then arguing with people when they don't agree with you.
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Really now.

Ive had people pm and say im asking the right questions.
If you think my opinion is too "extreme" and you think its trolling, perhaps you miss the point. I am disagreeing in order to get a different perspective- play the devil's advocate, if you will.

Thats what a forum is for...ask questions too entagled for everyday answers.

For example, finish a degree in Berlin...or in a small eastern German city. If you end up living in the small city after graduation...same salary to a large extent.

Then what does that prestige get you? nothing

So, why do people recommend going for this prestige even at the expense of other areas?

[worldwidetraveler]

I think you should go to school in the Philippines. You should be able to get laid there easy enough.

[Spartan]

I'm interested in European girls, but good idea. Many expats are happy there.

I can't believe the guy who said "move to the US" was serious. Why do people still torture themselves?

The level of prestige location is not as significant as in a disordered society.

Some people suffer dissociations leading to disability and poor quality of life. In these situations, most effort should be focused on what can be done for social life. There are a limited number of cognitive resources available for construction.

I try to phrase my explanation in ways non-travellers understand, for example those who do not know of long-term travel as a lifestyle.

[worldwidetraveler]

(09-13-2012 04:28 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

I'm interested in European girls.

I have considered Russian schools, but I don't think I need to go that far yet...2nd tier eastern EU may be a good balance of economics and pickup.

Why criticize my location? I can't believe the guy who said "move to the US" wasn't blasted by this forum. Why do people still torture themselves?

The level of prestige location is not as significant as your disordered society.

Saying you should go to Phils for easy pussy is criticizing your location?

Judging from your many "where the chicks are easiest" posts, you should look to see where you get laid first and then go to school there.

You shouldn't move to the US, you will get eaten up alive. Your level of pussy pedalization is beyond help.

[Spartan]

(09-13-2012 04:34 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(09-13-2012 04:28 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

I'm interested in European girls.

I have considered Russian schools, but I don't think I need to go that far yet...2nd tier eastern EU may be a good balance of economics and pickup.

Why criticize my location? I can't believe the guy who said "move to the US" wasn't blasted by this forum. Why do people still torture themselves?

The level of prestige location is not as significant as your disordered society.

Saying you should go to Phils for easy pussy is criticizing your location?

Judging from your many "where the chicks are easiest" posts, you should look to see where you get laid first and then go to school there.

You shouldn't move to the US, you will get eaten up alive. Your level of pussy pedalization is beyond help.

I believe people such as you cannot understand the terminally disabled.
There are limited opportunities for all peoples in our world, we can all have happines but we must make some sacrifices.

For a magnificant genius, the Location may not matter, but for those focused on our marginal abilities, we must speculate as to the easiest grounds.

Semper gloriam ad faecialis.

[Deluge]

(09-13-2012 04:34 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Your level of pussy pedalization is beyond help.

I agree.
Spartan, after your marriage thread and this, you're giving me the vibe that you're either one of those very intelligent people who makes dumb as fuck decisions, or you're a

[Spartan]

look at the dude who moved to the philipines and is happy there.
Look at dudes such as neowarrior who travel to africa to bang girls

How is this any different?

For unfortunAtely, some people were damaged severely by brain injury during the afgahanistan period. such people may display errors in social abilities, often reminiscent of autism. But they served our country...

[w00t]

Money over Bitches son.
If worse comes to worst you can buy bitches with money. But you cant buy money with bitches.

So the choice is clear to me.

[Cincinnatus]

Athlone McGinnis' signature...

"You lose money chasing women, but you never lose women chasing money."


Give the career town a shot.

[Spartan]

Why is it that 50% of people who voted in the poll say small town...but no one posts about that idea?

Are the career focused people motivated enough to post while the others are too busy having fun?

Everything tells me I'd be happier in small town, but it just feels "wrong" to say no to a prestigious university.

[WestCoast]

I already gave you the answer which is to go make something of yourself.

If you want to know why you're gettig biased results in the pool it is because you are leading the results so to speak. Most people have trouble gettin laid, this was me 6 years ago as well. I was more socially awkward than you.

Anyway. You wrote "sausage fest" versus "friendly girls". In your poll.

Whoever introduced the word "sausage fest" pisses me off. Who cares how many guys are in the room what matters is how good you are relative to them. I'd rather compete against 800 dudes for 100 chicks... If the dudes are average joe.

Finally, you should notice I have trolled your posts hard for a while now, because unlike most guys you're smart enough to become rich and you're trading all that in for 3-4 years of average sex.

Those guys PM'ing you are likely dudes who never had the talent to make money. You do.

(09-13-2012 08:38 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Why is it that 50% of people who voted in the poll say small town...but no one posts about that idea?

Are the career focused people motivated enough to post while the others are too busy having fun?

Everything tells me I'd be happier in small town, but it just feels "wrong" to say no to a prestigious university.

[Spartan]

(09-13-2012 08:42 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I was more socially awkward than you.

Finally, you should notice I have trolled your posts hard for a while now,

Those guys PM'ing you are likely dudes who never had the talent to make money. You do.

I'm not sure you were more akward than me.

I have noticed the trolling.

Are you some kind of finance dude? I see you as the hard driving type to do well in finance

I'll give it a try for half a year, it might be worth it to stay. After all, in 20 years I might regret passing something up without at least giving it a shot.

Perhaps I need to reframe this: Its a challenge, but thats a good thing. Learning pickup here will make me a better because it will hone my skills. If after 4 months I'm not enjoying it, I'll have developed a tough skin and I'll appreciate the small town even more. Plus there are some more advanced pickup guys here I can go out with and learn from.

On the other hand, I may end up being succesful and enjoy it and stay here. Either way its win:win.

I've done this before. I found Eastern Belarus very difficult...but it prepared me to enjoy the next city I moved to. By forcing me to face rejection after rejection, I got better. I didn't enjoy my time there..but I learned and did better in my next town, because I apprciated it more.

I think the key is that if I don't do well here, I am 100% ready to dump it and move on. Its just a means to an end.

If I succeed, I'll post a data sheet.

[WestCoast]

I think you're under achieving.

You're not challenging yourself enough. You're living too much in the present. Go to NYC, go to a large metropolis. You want to see boss players they are not in "small town USA". They are in the big leagues.

I'm only Trolling your posts specifically because you could be worth $500K plus by mid thirties. That's gangster money. That's fuck you money. That's money that no one can take from you. That's confidence.

You know how easy rejection is when you know the girl just turned down a man worth half a stick or more? You know how easy it is to not give a shit when some bitch who works at Tiffany's doesn't want to go on a date with you, knowing very well you could buy up all that shit in front of her with cash?

I'm not at that super high level but it's getting better.

I hope this was clear enough. Of the guys on this forum next to none have the opportunity you have. Make the right choice, not the flash choice like a cocaine addict.

The more cash in your bank the more confidence you have, your gait changes, your views change. When you are crushin it, you know she just turned down a boss. Approach anxiety goes to ZERO.

It's a god damn privilege that you even talked to her.

You get it?

If you want my life story you can give me a call. I had no friends, had to sell drugs and live in a homeless shelter, had major psychological issues.

The funny thing? I have very little friends again. Why? they aren't worth my time

[SVK]

(09-13-2012 09:55 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

If you want my life story you can give me a call. I had no friends, had to sell drugs and live in a homeless shelter, had major psychological issues.

I'd be VERY interested in this life story. Please write a datasheet. If you need to, just change names of people and places to preserve anonymity. It sounds inspiring.



Spartan,

Good to see an attitude shift where you see the "harder" city (is it Krakow btw?) as a "challenge" (positive reframing) instead of a disadvantage.

I'm a Slovakian who lived in USA for the past 8 years and it I surely don't think about going back, at least not yet. I would only consider it if I can reproduce the income I have here, which would be no easy feat. Yes, the dating sucks waaaay more here, but I struggled and succeeded and became better. However, when I go back to Eastern Europe it is like a all-you-can-eat buffet girls-wise thanks to experience, struggle, status and money. When I left Slovakia in my early 20s I was a fucking chode who was happy to get some play from average girls in what can be considered a poosy paradise. I'm pretty sure if I stayed I would still be the chode I used to be, and poorer and less experienced. Struggle makes you a man. It's a cliche, but really, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Spartan, I have a recommendation for you, check out blog Postmasculine.com written by forum member Entropy4. He has some excellent articles about what PUAs would call "inner game" - neediness, vulnerability, emotional needs,... He wrote an excellent book that got great reviews on this forum and elsewhere.

[Cincinnatus]

(09-13-2012 12:34 PM)SVK Wrote:  

(09-13-2012 09:55 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

If you want my life story you can give me a call. I had no friends, had to sell drugs and live in a homeless shelter, had major psychological issues.

I'd be VERY interested in this life story. Please write a datasheet. If you need to, just change names of people and places to preserve anonymity. It sounds inspiring.

Seconded.

For some reason I bet you've got some dope stories like teh_skeeze's epic threesome adventure:

Re: Your First Threesome

[brownman]

I'm going to have to agree with PDog on this, as a smart-ass who's made several dumb decisions, I would advise you to go the medical route. You can settle down in a small/rural town, make decent coin and practice. I ditched a straight shot in a UK medical school for a top 30 US school to move to wall street. In school, I switched again from the business program to liberal arts. I gave up on a lucrative double major and almost dropped out - despite having the ability to finish school in 2.5 years. Going to work blue collar to save and start a company.

I've learned from my mistakes in a very bitter journey involving a lot of drugs and rehab, time is more valuable than money. You will never get that back. Focus on building a strong network, acquiring relevant skills and focus on a career track. At 30, when you have status and money, bitches come to you and you roll in certain circles at that point. Game can be learned, opportunities in life are very few and far between, it takes a bit of planning and insight by talking to others but you should seize them as they come.

Work on your inner game, meditation and martial arts are great for it. Reach out and talk to people, at this stage in life just hustle. In a few years you'll be better than 99% of men if you are a doctor or have successfully built a company. It requires blood, sweat and tears in the beginning but it's worth it.

[littleG]

Even if your'e a shiny piece of shit, you're still a piece of shit.