[AWOLNomad]

Not fearing rejection?

I feel like I have done my best when I didn't give a shit and just went in with an open mind but the second I start to care how it works out I fold like a beta.


Anyone experience this?

Edit: here comes the invasion!

[Greek kamaki]

An easy method is to imagine ''what would Mystery tell me?He would tell go talk to her.So I will do as Mystery told me.''

[TheMan]

(09-01-2012 01:35 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

An easy method is to imagine ''what would Mystery tell me?He would tell go talk to her.So I will do as Mystery told me.''

Interesting... I will go and try that out. Gotta say though, don't like the idea of having to rely on someone else as my get-up-and-go. Not saying I haven't done that it or that I've got a better idea. It just doesn't sit well with me, putting such an important keystone to my frame outside of myself, in the hands of someone who is not me.

[TheMan]

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[XXL]

you're right. the less you care, the better you tend to perform. worrying about openers and calibrating million silly things before the approach is massively counterproductive, it gets you to invest more than the girl beforehand, like even BEFORE the interaction happens. so the girl who's in her own world all bubbly is having fun and doesn't care but the guy about to go in does, quite a lot. how can that end up well? the wrong frame is set immediately even before the approach. so then of course guys need smooth openers and funky techniques (as hooligan said: that mimick high status behaviour) cause they have to reverse the roles and present themselves as the prize/the better ones/the alpha/the chooser/etc.

but when you do it as you described, just spontaneously carefree and chill, with no agenda, with 'oh let's see if she's cool' mentality then different set of rules apply to you and pickup becomes fun and adventure.

you're on the right track especially cause you TASTED the right mindset. keep at it and you will see some amazing things very soon

[Greek kamaki]

When you get older you really do not sweat at all during an approach because you have done it thousands of times.It comes natural like when you place your hand and open a door.However girls judge you when you approach.If you are completely comfortable they may suspect either that you are married or that you open lots of girls.So you need to show a bit nervous as well.Like you are a bit intimidated by their beauty(just kidding).
It also works very different for younger guys because women respect them less so they are on the end of receiving less respect and can feel frightened about approaching even 20 years old girls.This fades off as you get older.But the older you get the worse the looks become so it can also backfire since the girl will think what does this old guy want to do with me?I would like to meet with a young guy.The older guy acts right only because he has experience but I would like a younger guy acting this way.

It is all a bit complicated you have to find a balance and think fast.Mystery's voice in my head ''what should I do?Talk to her in 3 seconcs'' helped me at first but environment aloofness and concentrating only on yourself can have repercussions from environment(always check for guys around,police,cameras,bikers,shop owners watching,car driver watching ready to intervene or bouncers in clubs,generally watch everyone and hit on right moment when their attention is minimal.

[Greek kamaki]

Also rejection can take lots of forms.If you look like shit women will not want you approach any other girl in order to keep the womanhood free of ''creeps'' or annoying guys.They also do not want that an inferior guy pulls women using numbers game.This is because if he manages to do that their value will lower(lots of busted dudes around).So they naturally tend to shit welcome the inferior guy approaching in a way that it scares him forever and he abandons the approaches(they manage this by ignoring him,pulling their phones to talk to or telling him fuck you).A good looking guy who does the right form of approach will not receive the same form of rejection because women do not want to cut his hopes of landing a good looking woman(other) as a solidarity to sisterhood.So the good looking guy will receive mild forms of rejections and will continue till he lands a girl.

This vicious circle bad looking,shitty women attitude,blow to ego,loss of confidence,betacization is difficult to break.It is social rule as well.One has to really fight.You may think that the woman cursing just had a bad day and it does not have to do with you per se but how true is that?So you have to be aware of the social balance aka ladder which women use.For example if you stand low at the ladder(and it is obvious,there are plenty of indications for that) she will treat you like that like an inferior person.Even if you tell the right things she does not care.She wants to hear these things from a person standing high on the ladder.
So either you have to add value to yourself to climb the ladder or move to a place where your value stands automatically higher because the competition is lower.This can give you confidence.(at least temporarily)

Anyway these issues are quite complicated.From the side of women they are quite complicated too because they always worry if they made the right choice or you tricked them by presenting a fake persona.They also worry whether they should be open to strangers leaving themselves vunerable to scams or choose strictly from circle where they have relative guarantees and know guy's histrory and true status from friends.These things torture women ''how open should I be?'',''is he really that?'' etc.
The male attitude is just cut off the Gordian knot like Alexander the Great.Take out your knife(penis) and exterminate all doubts about you with power of penis(Balkan attitude) as an antidote to betacization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_Knot

The other guys will think:Who is this fucker who pulled his penis out?Is he really as alpha as that?They will test you as women do.

[Ramon Zarate]

(09-01-2012 05:48 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

For example if you stand low at the ladder(and it is obvious,there are plenty of indications for that) she will treat you like that like an inferior person.

The 'plenty of indications' are what needs changing. I think one of them is attachment to outcome. Any others?

[Rurik]

It's okay to fear rejection, or at least be anxious about it, but you have to at least accept that it's a possibility, and not let that stop you.

[Greek kamaki]

Another easy method to avoid approach anxiety is to remember a very mediocre looking dude you have seen with a hot girl.Then think if this guy can get such a hot girl I deserve a hotter one,at least I am entitled to talk to a hotter one.

[Gmac]

(08-31-2012 08:58 PM)AWOLNomad Wrote:  

Not fearing rejection?

I feel like I have done my best when I didn't give a shit and just went in with an open mind but the second I start to care how it works out I fold like a beta.


Anyone experience this?

Edit: here comes the invasion!

The true key to game is the key to life...

Learn from your mistakes and improve... only then will you see results from failure. You have to really be motivated to become more efficient and skilled in other areas. Without that determination and dedication you will fail in every aspect of your life. Once you realize where you are failing you learn to hone in on those areas you are lacking in. Appearance, people skills, body language, confidence, worldly experience, practical knowledge, etc.

[Giovonny]

(08-31-2012 08:58 PM)AWOLNomad Wrote:  

Not fearing rejection?

Exactly!

Fear is the #1 thing that is holding guys back. Fear of rejection, fear that the girl will not like them, fear to fully express themselves, fear of what other people will think, fear of what their parents will think, fear of failure, fear of exposing their true identity, fear that they are not good enough. All these bullshit little fears.

When we can remove these fears, we start to believe that great things are possible, when we start to believe that great things are possible, we take action, confident action, action taken without fear is attractive.

Fear is holding you back. Too many guys are paralyzed by fear.

This post might help you:

Fear Removal

[Kitsune]

The true key to game is being unrepentantly better than everyone else.

[Gaston]

(09-01-2012 05:48 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

It also works very different for younger guys because women respect them less so they are on the end of receiving less respect and can feel frightened about approaching even 20 years old girls.This fades off as you get older.But the older you get the worse the looks become so it can also backfire since the girl will think what does this old guy want to do with me?I would like to meet with a young guy.The older guy acts right only because he has experience but I would like a younger guy acting this way.

(09-01-2012 05:48 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Also rejection can take lots of forms.If you look like shit women will not want you approach any other girl in order to keep the womanhood free of ''creeps'' or annoying guys.They also do not want that an inferior guy pulls women using numbers game.This is because if he manages to do that their value will lower(lots of busted dudes around).So they naturally tend to shit welcome the inferior guy approaching in a way that it scares him forever and he abandons the approaches(they manage this by ignoring him,pulling their phones to talk to or telling him fuck you).A good looking guy who does the right form of approach will not receive the same form of rejection because women do not want to cut his hopes of landing a good looking woman(other) as a solidarity to sisterhood.So the good looking guy will receive mild forms of rejections and will continue till he lands a girl.

This vicious circle bad looking,shitty women attitude,blow to ego,loss of confidence,betacization is difficult to break.It is social rule as well.One has to really fight.You may think that the woman cursing just had a bad day and it does not have to do with you per se but how true is that?So you have to be aware of the social balance aka ladder which women use.For example if you stand low at the ladder(and it is obvious,there are plenty of indications for that) she will treat you like that like an inferior person.Even if you tell the right things she does not care.She wants to hear these things from a person standing high on the ladder.
So either you have to add value to yourself to climb the ladder or move to a place where your value stands automatically higher because the competition is lower.This can give you confidence.(at least temporarily)

Anyway these issues are quite complicated.From the side of women they are quite complicated too because they always worry if they made the right choice or you tricked them by presenting a fake persona.They also worry whether they should be open to strangers leaving themselves vunerable to scams or choose strictly from circle where they have relative guarantees and know guy's histrory and true status from friends.These things torture women ''how open should I be?'',''is he really that?'' etc.

So much wisdom on these boards.

[Hannibal]

Learning game is like dying of hypothermia. It's all about exposure.

[WestCoast]

Simple. The key is realizing its just buttons.

You'll fuck married women.
You'll fuck poor women.
You'll fuck rich women.
You'll fuck prudes.
You'll fuck sluts.
You'll fuck the gauntlet.

I am typing this in a cab with some bitch next to me. She thinks I am looking shit up on yelp.

Once you realize it's just pressing enough yes buttons. You never go back. It's just a process.

Oh and in terms of giving a shit? Try this. As soon as you "care" she is gone forever and will disrespect you. You lost the game. Next.

[XXL]

(09-02-2012 11:38 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

As soon as you "care" she is gone forever and will disrespect you. You lost the game. Next.

in short, this ^^ 100%

WHO IS LESS INVESTED, WINS

(being invested/giving a fuck = being emotionally attached, being outcome dependent, being needy & clingy, micromanaging others' perception, trying to impress, qualifying... all of these things are subcommunicated and every little things about your behaviour reveal them)

[mental]

Learning game is like installing a new better faster OS (Linux) over the old bloated one on your PC (Win Vista). At first, it's hard, you erase the whole OS (feminism ideologies, scarity mentality...), it takes time to erase the old and install a new one - getting a new player mentality. Once it's installed, you feel much better, but it's not customised for you (like Roosh's universal game template). Get new programs (approach, develop new game knowledge, adapt existing game knowledge depending on the situation...), and make a separate account without admin rights for people who may install retarded programs, like ask toolbar, on your PC (don't let blue pill people affect you and don't take their criticisms seriously, just laugh them off and ignore their advice), and only give full access to people who you know won't install stupid programs (accept criticisms and listen to advice only from other players who know what they are doing). Upgrade your PC with RAM, disk etc... when you can (build your muscles at the gym). Normal people's PC's are bloated with viruses, spyware, toolbars, and generally have slower hardware which isn't overclocked (women and blue pill pussy men). In people who know what are they doing with their PC's there are almost no viruses and other bloatware, and they upgrade and overclock their PC's (red pill awesome men). It may be hard and lenghty work, but the results are obvious and beneficial.

[TheMan]

(09-03-2012 07:43 AM)mental Wrote:  

Learning game is like installing a new better faster OS (Linux) over the old bloated one on your PC (Win Vista). At first, it's hard, you erase the whole OS (feminism ideologies, scarity mentality...), it takes time to erase the old and install a new one - getting a new player mentality. Once it's installed, you feel much better, but it's not customised for you (like Roosh's universal game template). Get new programs (approach, develop new game knowledge, adapt existing game knowledge depending on the situation...), and make a separate account without admin rights for people who may install retarded programs, like ask toolbar, on your PC (don't let blue pill people affect you and don't take their criticisms seriously, just laugh them off and ignore their advice), and only give full access to people who you know won't install stupid programs (accept criticisms and listen to advice only from other players who know what they are doing). Upgrade your PC with RAM, disk etc... when you can (build your muscles at the gym). Normal people's PC's are bloated with viruses, spyware, toolbars, and generally have slower hardware which isn't overclocked (women and blue pill pussy men). In people who know what are they doing with their PC's there are almost no viruses and other bloatware, and they upgrade and overclock their PC's (red pill awesome men). It may be hard and lenghty work, but the results are obvious and beneficial.

Haha... thanks for posting one of the better post-initiate game summatios that ive come across. Just one thing though... how does one go about becoming a MacBook Pro.

[Aliblahba]

(09-03-2012 09:15 AM)TheMan Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 07:43 AM)mental Wrote:  

Learning game is like installing a new better faster OS (Linux) over the old bloated one on your PC (Win Vista). At first, it's hard, you erase the whole OS (feminism ideologies, scarity mentality...), it takes time to erase the old and install a new one - getting a new player mentality. Once it's installed, you feel much better, but it's not customised for you (like Roosh's universal game template). Get new programs (approach, develop new game knowledge, adapt existing game knowledge depending on the situation...), and make a separate account without admin rights for people who may install retarded programs, like ask toolbar, on your PC (don't let blue pill people affect you and don't take their criticisms seriously, just laugh them off and ignore their advice), and only give full access to people who you know won't install stupid programs (accept criticisms and listen to advice only from other players who know what they are doing). Upgrade your PC with RAM, disk etc... when you can (build your muscles at the gym). Normal people's PC's are bloated with viruses, spyware, toolbars, and generally have slower hardware which isn't overclocked (women and blue pill pussy men). In people who know what are they doing with their PC's there are almost no viruses and other bloatware, and they upgrade and overclock their PC's (red pill awesome men). It may be hard and lenghty work, but the results are obvious and beneficial.

Haha... thanks for posting one of the better post-initiate game summatios that ive come across. So how does one go about becoming a MacBook Pro.

When you become a Macbook Pro, that mean's you are now gay.

[mental]

(09-03-2012 09:20 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 09:15 AM)TheMan Wrote:  

(09-03-2012 07:43 AM)mental Wrote:  

Learning game is like installing a new better faster OS (Linux) over the old bloated one on your PC (Win Vista). At first, it's hard, you erase the whole OS (feminism ideologies, scarity mentality...), it takes time to erase the old and install a new one - getting a new player mentality. Once it's installed, you feel much better, but it's not customised for you (like Roosh's universal game template). Get new programs (approach, develop new game knowledge, adapt existing game knowledge depending on the situation...), and make a separate account without admin rights for people who may install retarded programs, like ask toolbar, on your PC (don't let blue pill people affect you and don't take their criticisms seriously, just laugh them off and ignore their advice), and only give full access to people who you know won't install stupid programs (accept criticisms and listen to advice only from other players who know what they are doing). Upgrade your PC with RAM, disk etc... when you can (build your muscles at the gym). Normal people's PC's are bloated with viruses, spyware, toolbars, and generally have slower hardware which isn't overclocked (women and blue pill pussy men). In people who know what are they doing with their PC's there are almost no viruses and other bloatware, and they upgrade and overclock their PC's (red pill awesome men). It may be hard and lenghty work, but the results are obvious and beneficial.

Haha... thanks for posting one of the better post-initiate game summatios that ive come across. So how does one go about becoming a MacBook Pro.

When you become a Macbook Pro, that mean's you are now gay.

You can also become a classic 2000's glittery pua