[myworld607]

I've met a lot of great girls the past year that passed the boner test with flying colors, and I could tell that they were good, decent people who had the misfortune of being raised in an androgynous environment.

This one girl I am currently seeing (#1 in rotation) is a sweet girl(HB7.5), she can cook and clean, keeps her body in shape, sex is good etc. but she was raised pretty much solely by her dad since she was 12, and it definitely had an impact on her. While not being outwardly masculine, she has weird masculine hobbies, such as actually knowing about sports and their rosters, hardcore video games aka beyond just WiiFit, and an interest in guns and weapons to name a few. Her dad was also super into wanting her to join and succeed in a competitive sport, and she has apparently done over 10 different ones over the course of her life (including two(!) different martial arts, which she is a black belt in one and a green in another), and hating them all because she doesn't consider herself a competitive person. She isn't "take me as I am or leave it" or challenging about these hobbies per se, in fact she tried to hide them from me for a while until I found out, which was actually pretty cute, but another issue is that she has problems having more than a couple girl friends at one time, and claims they are too much drama which I know is a masculine red flag. I also feel like her feminine behavior is a little inconsistent, like she'll clean my house and cook dinner+leftovers for me one day, and then next week she won't make any attempts to cook or anything without mention from her. I'll say things like "How about you cook up a couple of steaks I've got in the freezer?" and she'll just laugh it off noncommittally or try to initiate sex to make me forget about my hunger. It's these little things that worry me about considering her for LTR material.

Also she wears shorts/heels a lot (which is hot don't get me wrong, girl has legs for miles), but I've only seen her in a skirt or dress a handful of times, which is another thing that bothers me.

But I digress. My question is what is the best way to manipulate and encourage a girl to be as feminine as she can possibly be beyond just rewarding good behavior with attention and/or sex? She's young, only 19 so I think I still have a chance to mold her before the clay hardens. I took her v-card, so I think she'd be open to my suggestions, but I'm not quite sure how to subtly go around doing it.

Any tips on how you've improved a girl for the better in regards to being feminine? All are welcome. We should all be taking steps to make all girls we meet, not just the ones we bang, a little more feminine than before they met us, because even if it's in the slightest way possible, we've made them better for the next guy, be he alpha or beta.

[Samseau]

"How to manipulate women into becoming more feminine?"

Dominate them hard in the sack. Do every dirty thing imaginable to them, and then some more. Choking, deep throating, ass fucking, bondage, make her call herself your slave. Total submission brings out femininity.

[TheMan]

is this a joke / troll?

[vinman]

You have to use so Iceberg Slim strong mental game, mixed with Pavlov's classical conditioning. She only get compliments when she dresses feminine. She only gets to sit on your lap, and get playful cuddly shit when your belly is full. As for her shooting, and martial arts? Well, somebody has to be able to defend the home front in case shit hits the fan. I've trained my female relatives how to shoot just for that reason. And dear old dad wanted his daughter to be able to defend herself. If I ever have a daughter (SHUDDER) she's shooting, learning escrima and judo.

[ccurtis189]

Is some of that really all that bad? I would rather hear a girl talk about sports, martial arts, video games etc. rather than Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Keeping Up With the Kardashians, etc.

[Krauser]

Deep convert her. Actually sit her down and explain male/female gender roles, crush her feminist programming, show her female role models like Audrey Hepburn and Pier Angeli, explain polarity etc. You have to empty her forebrain of all that androgynous bullshit. The reward/conditioning only affects the hindbrain so while necessary it's only half the job.

[lew]

I agree, if she's hot, then what's the problem? There's nothing wrong with playing video games, there are far worse hobbies

[Aliblahba]

   

New school problems, meet old school solutions.

[elabayarde]

(08-04-2012 07:55 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

New school problems, meet old school solutions.

LOL

[Veloce]

(08-04-2012 08:59 AM)myworld607 Wrote:  

I've met a lot of great girls the past year that passed the boner test with flying colors, and I could tell that they were good, decent people who had the misfortune of being raised in an androgynous environment.

This one girl I am currently seeing (#1 in rotation) is a sweet girl(HB7.5), she can cook and clean, keeps her body in shape, sex is good etc. but she was raised pretty much solely by her dad since she was 12, and it definitely had an impact on her. While not being outwardly masculine, she has weird masculine hobbies, such as actually knowing about sports and their rosters, hardcore video games aka beyond just WiiFit, and an interest in guns and weapons to name a few. Her dad was also super into wanting her to join and succeed in a competitive sport, and she has apparently done over 10 different ones over the course of her life (including two(!) different martial arts, which she is a black belt in one and a green in another), and hating them all because she doesn't consider herself a competitive person. She isn't "take me as I am or leave it" or challenging about these hobbies per se, in fact she tried to hide them from me for a while until I found out, which was actually pretty cute, but another issue is that she has problems having more than a couple girl friends at one time, and claims they are too much drama which I know is a masculine red flag. I also feel like her feminine behavior is a little inconsistent, like she'll clean my house and cook dinner+leftovers for me one day, and then next week she won't make any attempts to cook or anything without mention from her. I'll say things like "How about you cook up a couple of steaks I've got in the freezer?" and she'll just laugh it off noncommittally or try to initiate sex to make me forget about my hunger. It's these little things that worry me about considering her for LTR material.

Also she wears shorts/heels a lot (which is hot don't get me wrong, girl has legs for miles), but I've only seen her in a skirt or dress a handful of times, which is another thing that bothers me.

But I digress. My question is what is the best way to manipulate and encourage a girl to be as feminine as she can possibly be beyond just rewarding good behavior with attention and/or sex? She's young, only 19 so I think I still have a chance to mold her before the clay hardens. I took her v-card, so I think she'd be open to my suggestions, but I'm not quite sure how to subtly go around doing it.

Any tips on how you've improved a girl for the better in regards to being feminine? All are welcome. We should all be taking steps to make all girls we meet, not just the ones we bang, a little more feminine than before they met us, because even if it's in the slightest way possible, we've made them better for the next guy, be he alpha or beta.

I'd like to think I've "bent the sapling while it's young" quite a few times. It happens gradually, this is for the LTR material girls. I second Krauser, you gotta be direct. Girls will often respond with, "Really?! You like that?" They might scoff at a lot of your suggestions. I've told girls flat out that the more whorish they think they look, the more I'll like it. Heels, skirts, makeup, revealing tops, thigh highs, etc. Girls get especially offended with makeup, usually protesting with, "What, you don't think I'm pretty enough naturally?" My token response is: "Baby, your face looks great. Think about it like a steak. Nothing better than a prime steak cooked perfectly. But if you add a red wine sauce it just takes it to a whole other level."

I've noticed girls have these little fashion rules for themselves, always dictated by other girls. For instance, if they're wearing a cleavage revealing top, they keep things modest downstairs with a pair of jeans or such. Or if they wear a short skirt or short shorts, they keep things modest upstairs. You can also work this to get them to show off more, just tell them their body turns you on so much that you want to see more of it.

I've also told girls directly, "I don't care what anyone says, EVERY guy wants a trophy hot piece of ass on his arm." Just let that digest in her brain.

I've dated girls that started out super modest, openly telling me they hate wearing thongs, don't own a skirt, hate heels. 2-3 months later with me they've got a rotation of thongs, denim short skirts, 4 inch heels, etc. The dynamic of the relationship has to be established though, she has to see you as a high value male and want to please you.

Communication is key.

[polymath]

I agree that not having female friends is a big red flag.

One thing I don't understand is this: why are you so interested in manipulating a 19-year-old chick to be fundamentally subservient to you? Why not just keep looking until you find someone more naturally effeminate and submissive, if that is what you want?

Be careful with manipulating changes in other people. It's not the most scrupulous thing to do with a teenager, especially one who gave up her virginity to you. She's impressionable and you have a responsibility to be good to her, maybe more so than she has a responsibility to be good to you, since you have had other experiences from which to draw your judgement.

But of course, to answer your question....like Samseau said, girls tend IMO to become more submissive when you're the dominant one in bed. Also, next time she's wearing a skirt, tell her that you like the way it flatters her legs. A sincere and casually delivered compliment can remain in a person's memory for years.

[Maximus]

So what if she likes to watch sports or play video games? Thats not the end of the world as far as hobbies.


The way you are trying to manipulate her behavior passive aggressively makes you more feminine than her.

[Hannibal]

You could try shaming her.

I've sat down and talked about male/female gender dynamics with some girls, the majority of them won't believe you but there will be a few who will. They'll be much better off for it.

[TheMan]

(08-05-2012 11:29 AM)Maximus Wrote:  

So what if she likes to watch sports or play video games? Thats not the end of the world as far as hobbies.


The way you are trying to manipulate her behavior passive aggressively makes you more feminine than her.

Haha exactly. I'm still not convinced that this isnt some kind of bait / troll. it seems a bit too contrived and surreal.

[mental]

Ah, so you found a real life Robin Scherbatsky!

[TheMan]

(08-06-2012 06:26 AM)mental Wrote:  

Ah, so you found a real life Robin Scherbatsky!

obligatory:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=grFVVK9K6Cc

[xsplat]

(08-05-2012 09:03 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I've also told girls directly, "I don't care what anyone says, EVERY guy wants a trophy hot piece of ass on his arm."

Ya. My line is "It doesn't matter what your friends want. What matters is what I want".

Notice I didn't phrase it "I don't care what your friends want".

I'm going for the authoritative narrators voice for maximum hypnotic effect.

[Gmac]

Two of my last serious GF's both had short hair when I first met them. They were cute, but I hate short hair for obvious reasons. Convinced both to grow it out long pretty much by overtly telling them what I liked. I banged them well and treated them pretty good, and they fell in line. One started cooking more for recently too... I was even able to tie in her fear or me dumping her for getting fat with that one.

[Soma]

(08-04-2012 10:51 AM)Krauser Wrote:  

Deep convert her. Actually sit her down and explain male/female gender roles, crush her feminist programming, show her female role models like Audrey Hepburn and Pier Angeli, explain polarity etc. You have to empty her forebrain of all that androgynous bullshit. The reward/conditioning only affects the hindbrain so while necessary it's only half the job.

Krauser, I recall you had a post on your blog a while back about how you explain such things to women but I can't find it now. Any chance you could post a link?