[Roosh]

So I thought you'd guys would be interested in our meeting since he's been mentioned here often. I don't want to divulge quotes/convo and what not, but I did come away with a few things:

1. Day game can completely substitute night game efforts. I use day game as a supplement, but Krauser (http://krauserpua.com) and his crew rarely go out at night. I almost forgot how important day game is for a lot of guys in providing most of their bangs.

2. Your game will reflect your personality and lifestyle. I'm a night owl who works during the day. I have a routine with not too much free time. When I day game, I prefer in-and-out closes. Krauser blocks out chunks of time where he almost always goes for the instadate, so it's built into his approach. I'll approach waiting for the tram, popping into the grocery store, etc., but he approaches in a busy square where there are specifically many instadate opportunities. That's something I can experiment more with.

3. Your game development will reflect your environment. Krauser honed his craft in London on foreign girls living there. I honed mine on American girls in America. There is no reason why we should have the same model, and of course we don't. Now I realize it's silly to have disagreements about which is best. I firmly believe a guy should try all the tools available to him and find out what works better.

My opinion of him has definitely gone up after meeting him. He's open, honest, and empirical. There are not many guys putting in the raw work like he is, and for that he gets my respect.

[Tuthmosis]

(08-01-2012 10:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

1. Day game can completely substitute night game efforts. I use day game as a supplement, but Krauser (http://krauserpua.com) and his crew rarely go out at night. I almost forgot how important day game is for a lot of guys in providing most of their bangs.

Frankly, this has been my model for some time now. I sometimes feel guilty when I see the nightlife picking up on Friday night or when I walk by a night-spot after a certain hour. I see hot girls walking around, showing mad body, and I feel the energy in the air. So go out and try it out again, see how much more obstacles are placed in my way, and go right back to my instincts. I do night game on the occasional dance outing (because I like certain kinds of dance), but I'm a day-gamer by nature, I think.

With a passive income coming in from online gaming, I rarely need traditional night game. Add to that miscellaneous, event-specific gaming and niche markets, and I'm practically on a different planet than 95 percent of the sausage hordes.

[Samseau]

The #1 Law of Game: Every man must develop his own game.


One of the guys I got into the game with has a very different style of game from me. I don't judge him, and he doesn't judge me. He hates dancing, I personally don't give too much of a fuck for his day game.

But you know what? We both recognized this early on, and say, "So that's what works for you, huh?" This principle is as important to me as the boner test.

[Moma]

(08-01-2012 10:56 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The #1 Law of Game: Every man must develop his own game.


One of the guys I got into the game with has a very different style of game from me. I don't judge him, and he doesn't judge me. He hates dancing, I personally don't give too much of a fuck for his day game.

But you know what? We both recognized this early on, and say, "So that's what works for you, huh?" This principle is as important to me as the boner test.

I second that on the each to their own type of game. One of my wings LOVES dancing. I like it myself but it really depends on the music. My wing will dance his ass off to top 40's (which I abhor) and spend the whole night bubbling down with one reptile. Whether or not, he gets the digits (he doesn't go for SNL's much), he loves the dance.

Now me, if I feel it's going nowhere, I lose interest in dancing with the lizard quite quickly.

However, that's his thing as I have my own thing and he smashes nice lizards.

[Lothario]

Respect to Roosh and Krauser, Wholeheartedly agree with every single word in your post Roosh.

I will advice the players to keep an open mind to other tools that they don't apply and don't discount Day vs Night Game or vice versa.

Yo Slubu, you reading this..... Slubu doesn't do Day Game, I read somewhere Gio doesn't do night Game.

To each his own......

[soup]

(08-01-2012 10:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

So I thought you'd guys would be interested in our meeting since he's been mentioned here often. I don't want to divulge quotes/convo and what not, but I did come away with a few things:

1. Day game can completely substitute night game efforts. I use day game as a supplement, but Krauser (http://krauserpua.com) and his crew rarely go out at night. I almost forgot how important day game is for a lot of guys in providing most of their bangs.

2. Your game will reflect your personality and lifestyle. I'm a night owl who works during the day. I have a routine with not too much free time. When I day game, I prefer in-and-out closes. Krauser blocks out chunks of time where he almost always goes for the instadate, so it's built into his approach. I'll approach waiting for the tram, popping into the grocery store, etc., but he approaches in a busy square where there are specifically many instadate opportunities. That's something I can experiment more with.

3. Your game development will reflect your environment. Krauser honed his craft in London on foreign girls living there. I honed mine on American girls in America. There is no reason why we should have the same model, and of course we don't. Now I realize it's silly to have disagreements about which is best. I firmly believe a guy should try all the tools available to him and find out what works better.

My opinion of him has definitely gone up after meeting him. He's open, honest, and empirical. There are not many guys putting in the raw work like he is, and for that he gets my respect.

Did you go out with his crew?

[WanderingSoul]

I don't do any day game. Think that is something I need to change.

[Vicious]

(12-31-1969 07:02 PM)RioNomadwasn't 63' Wrote:  

I don't do any day game. Think that is something I need to change.

Day game felt like it had superb possibilities in BKK. I hung out at the Emporium mall during the days when I wasn't working and elderly opening girls coming out of high-end stores. These were classy ladies that spoke good English. Got some solid numbers but Logistics (way too short stay) prevented me from developing this further. Still if you can look the part then this is an exciting target audience.

[Krauser]

(08-01-2012 10:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

1. Day game can completely substitute night game efforts. I use day game as a supplement, but Krauser (http://krauserpua.com) and his crew rarely go out at night. I almost forgot how important day game is for a lot of guys in providing most of their bangs.

2. Your game will reflect your personality and lifestyle. I'm a night owl who works during the day. I have a routine with not too much free time. When I day game, I prefer in-and-out closes. Krauser blocks out chunks of time where he almost always goes for the instadate, so it's built into his approach. I'll approach waiting for the tram, popping into the grocery store, etc., but he approaches in a busy square where there are specifically many instadate opportunities. That's something I can experiment more with.

3. Your game development will reflect your environment. Krauser honed his craft in London on foreign girls living there. I honed mine on American girls in America. There is no reason why we should have the same model, and of course we don't. Now I realize it's silly to have disagreements about which is best. I firmly believe a guy should try all the tools available to him and find out what works better.

I agree with the above. I found Roosh a chill, thoughtful guy with alot of insight and no ego. It was interesting to see how his method grew out of his goals, personality and of course cutting his teeth in the US bar scene.

[soup]

Welcome Krauser (hope your are the real Krauser)!

Funny to see the name Krauser and then "male feminist" underneath.

[WanderingSoul]

(08-02-2012 07:07 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

(12-31-1969 07:02 PM)RioNomadwasn't 63' Wrote:  

I don't do any day game. Think that is something I need to change.

Day game felt like it had superb possibilities in BKK. I hung out at the Emporium mall during the days when I wasn't working and elderly opening girls coming out of high-end stores. These were classy ladies that spoke good English. Got some solid numbers but Logistics (way too short stay) prevented me from developing this further. Still if you can look the part then this is an exciting target audience.

I agree. With 9736 malls in Bangkok, I think day game has great potential. I've been to Paragon when it was filled with girls in their Uni outfits.

[IpsaScientiaPotestasEst]

Thats part of what I love meeting about meeting guys who know game. Nobodys perfect or even close, but everyone has something that works for them (if they are anywhere decent/self aware) and they maybe specialized or tailored to their own self/personality.

What works for one guy-the other might completely loathe, not be good at, or previously didn't think about. Good comparison would be almost like football offenses, one guy is great at the pounding and grinding (pun semi-intended) with a good ground/running game-but then your compadre is just sick with his spread offense. Not to mention the comradery that can be created through in-field interactions/nights out or going over this stuff. Open up the playbook, after all knowledge itself is power right?

And speaking of the day game/night game aspect, it can be a bit crazy how much better one can be to the the other-as well as overall differences. I like running stuff at night, but being able and ready to go whenever you are out and about running errands in your city/area is always good (and again on the differences). Never know when you might meet a fly chick and wanna talk to her up during the day.

[qazwsx]

I thought the divergence between Roosh style and Krauser style was more about the indirect/ direct game question than about the night/day game thing.

So Roosh and Krauser, on regard of the direct/indirect debate, has something come out of your conversation?

[el mechanico]

(08-10-2012 06:04 AM)qazwsx Wrote:  

I thought the divergence between Roosh style and Krauser style was more about the indirect/ direct game question than about the night/day game thing.

So Roosh and Krauser, on regard of the direct/indirect debate, has something come out of your conversation?

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[Giovonny]

(08-01-2012 10:42 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

With a passive income coming in from online gaming

Nice. What do you play? Sports? Poker?

(08-02-2012 12:47 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

I read somewhere Gio doesn't do night Game.

I haven't night gamed in years. If I stay up past midnight I usually feel like shit the next day. Bags under my eyes, my sensative skin gets inflammed, low energy, grey hair, etc,. I feel like I aged over night. Especially, if I was drinking.

If I'm awake that late its because I'm banging, and I even like to do that earlier rather then later. I prefer to start my day with sex rather then end my day with sex.

Plus, I think going to bed early keeps my looking and feeling young. Which is more important to me then chasing girls.

[Tuthmosis]

(08-11-2012 01:27 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-01-2012 10:42 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

With a passive income coming in from online gaming

Nice. What do you play? Sports? Poker?

I didn't mean that kind of income/gaming. I meant a chick-flow from online dating sites.

[Akula]

FYI I met up with Krauser a few weeks ago and thought it would be interesting to share my thoughts & revive this thread. Have been meaning to post something about it but got so busy just now getting around to it. Plus, since I’m new to day gaming I wanted to have time to reflect on what I saw a bit and also employ some of the stuff I witnessed in my own day game routine.

I spent about 4-5 hours hanging out with him - originally we were just going to chill and have a coffee or couple beers and not game. This was bc we were both leaving the next day and also the fact that he'd already done enough work and wanted a break. But it turned out to be a beautiful day with a ton of pretty women walking about and as the day progressed (and after a beer or two) he ended up doing around 10+ cold approaches (!). I witnessed every one.

First off, I’d say that the guy is ‘the real deal’ and would echo the things that Roosh and others have written about his ‘game’. But that watching him I almost felt like he was just on another level (certainly compared to me). Reading about all that stuff he says on his blog is one thing but watching someone just pick out approachable 8s and 9s and make it happen was very enlightening – and also incredibly motivating in terms of pushing me to day game more. After the first few approaches and realizing how empowering this sort of game I think it honestly has helped incentivize me to do more approaching in general and in particular during the day, as well as to fine-tune by overall game.

I think one very important thing I took from the whole day was that target selection is very important. He immediately reacted on IOIs and went only after top-tier girls he was highly attracted to and who were walking alone in a way that indicated to him that they were approachable. I’m working on this myself, but clearly he has it down to a science. Suffice it to say, no more 6s for me when cold approaching.

I clearly noticed that his ‘vibe’ was on in every approach. You could tell he’s done it a zillion times and was carefully observing every move the women made (in addition to picking the right, 'approachable' targets).

For me it was also very revealing how the women reacted – the conversations generally seemed fluid and 'natural' and the women generally seemed interested and happy to just have a chat. Not a one was not at least somewhat receptive and if I recall correctly each interaction was around 7-10 minutes at least and I think he got digits from every single girl. Now I’m sure he gets plenty of blowouts from time to time but I didn’t witness one for the record. I found it funny that one girl (a 7.5 I’d say) actually initiated the kino touching first with him (!) after a few minutes, such was the level of interest/attraction in that approach.

We also had some interesting chats about life, London, women and non-gaming stuff and so it wasn’t all about approaching – one of the better afternoons I’ve had in awhile - would echo Roosh's thoughts below about him being a cool & interesting guy to hang out with as well as a master gamer.

(08-01-2012 10:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

My opinion of him has definitely gone up after meeting him. He's open, honest, and empirical. There are not many guys putting in the raw work like he is, and for that he gets my respect.

Anyway, in watching him work, I sort of had an internal recognition that told me “I’m not at this level, I need to improve and focus day game etc.” which as I said is a positive and will continue to motivate me get better. I already feel like I'm improving and getting out there more and more during they day so I took a lot of positives out of the whole thing.

Sometimes you really need to see it all laid out in front of you to find out where you’re at.

[unbowed]

I started rereading Mastery with a focus on the inner game parts. Your experience is reminding me how important vibe and target selection is. You can have the model down but these are the catalysts that make it all happen.

One thing Krauser mentioned in his book is how his daygame model works best on feminine girls. It's simply not fun dealing with American girls. Flipping too many masculine stones can build up bad vibes. Hell, Scandinavia had better vibes despite the 'feminism'.

Time for a new jaunt.

[Heathree]

Krauser is an animal. Given I am an immigrant in his country of origin and some of his views, I don't particularly like the guy. But respect for his skillset.

[J556]

Welcome Krauser!

What's a good benchmark number of approaches to do in a day or week of day game only lifestyle?

[bojangles]

(07-31-2014 09:35 AM)Heathree Wrote:  

Krauser is an animal. Given I am an immigrant in his country of origin and some of his views, I don't particularly like the guy. But respect for his skillset.

My family are immigrants and he's one of my friends regardless of his views, he's more than just daygame, a well rounded man.

[Nick]

Cool to read about this meeting. I've met Roosh a few times and respect his openness to adapting his approach and how his game has evolved over time. Krauser has been a big influence on me learning day game in the past few years, though we haven't met. It'd be great to see some recent infields from him to see the well-developed Krauser model in action from the man himself.

My first 9 months of active gaming were pretty rough, as it was all nightlife environments. Though it was a bit of a trial by fire, I think it made daytime approaches much easier once I learned how to do it. I told myself that if I could approach hot women in a bar, alone, with all the roadblocks that get thrown your way, approaching a solo, seemingly friendly girl in the day was a piece of cake. Like the Yin and Yang, experiencing both environments is important to your growth.

I'm all about day game at this point, the beauty of it is that you can just be doing your daily routine, see a girl you want to talk to, approach her and possibly get a number or instant date, good deal.

[Krauser]

(07-31-2014 04:06 AM)Akula Wrote:  

one of the better afternoons I’ve had in awhile

Thanks for the kind words, boss. I really enjoyed hanging out. Great afternoon.