[Screwston]

(07-25-2012 05:32 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 03:36 PM)Hades Wrote:  

Using surgery to make your dick bigger is not a good idea.
The only method that makes sense to me is to use a traction device. It's basically a metal cage that keeps a flaccid dick under continuous tension for several hours a day, for as many months until you get the desired results. They're pretty cost effective too. Like 300 bucks.

If you've ever seen somebody with earlobes gauged out to like 2 inches, you know that stretching soft tissue works over time.

Traction devices (I have heard) are also used after PE surgery to prevent scar tissue from deforming the penis, many speculate that the only actual gains from surgery are the result of these devices.

Do you wear any special trousers so that your colleagues don't notice the mechanical shape of your crotch? Extra baggy for instance.

How long did it take your traction device to take you from 7 ins to 9 ins? And are you long and fat (no homo) or long and thin like Wesley Pipes?

Yeah, a data sheet would be good on this dick stretcher device. LMAO at Wesley Pipes I need to memorize his lines and use them on some lizards.

Quote:

If you don't suck this dick right, imma tell yo mama what you been going

Quote:

bitch u slobbin on this dick like u aint got no TABLE MANNERS"

http://community.allhiphop.com/discussio...est-quotes

[Spike]

I always thought that stretching it would cause a spaghetti dick aka long and thin.

[Kitsune]

Stretching it doesn't make it thinner, it just doesn't make it thicker.

Jelqing, which is like milking your penis, makes it thicker.

A combination of the two does both.

To make an easy traction device, wrap your penis in a cut off sock material. Get another piece of material and make a hoop. Attach this to your penis with a cable clamp, then tie the hoop you made around your leg at your thigh/knee. You can wear this all day under clothes.

[Belize King]

You are on this Earth for 70 quality years if you’re lucky. I wouldn't let shit take away from my happiness. Wife, friends, family, perception, etc. If there is something cosmetic that really bothers a person. Fuck it. I use to wonder what the hell is wrong with Hollywood now I could care less how people fuck themselves up. Does anybody blame all the Columbian women for all that plastic surgery?

As for men, who cares what anyone else thinks. Fuck them. I guess I’m in the position to talk shit cause I’m not close to my family and have no childhood friends haha. Regardless, everyone should be as happy as possible through this shitty journey we call life.

Sidenote... for all the Entourage fans. Johnny Drama should have got the calf muscle surgery if it bothered him that much.

[Giovonny]

The dick is like any other muscle, if you stretch it, it will get longer.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

I have to agree with you. As long as it's not over done, if it truly makes you look better and you can afford it, why not? I guess the vanity issue still stands a bit. However, it's also vain for somoene who is already in pretty decent shape, to work out in a gym 4 days a week, using protein drinks, and putting themselves thru pain, in order to grow muscles to a size your body would not normally grow them. Hey, I do that too. I'm just saying it isn't any less vain that some surgery.

(07-26-2012 10:21 AM)TexasMade Wrote:  

You are on this Earth for 70 quality years if you’re lucky. I wouldn't let shit take away from my happiness. Wife, friends, family, perception, etc. If there is something cosmetic that really bothers a person. Fuck it. I use to wonder what the hell is wrong with Hollywood now I could care less how people fuck themselves up. Does anybody blame all the Columbian women for all that plastic surgery?

As for men, who cares what anyone else thinks. Fuck them. I guess I’m in the position to talk shit cause I’m not close to my family and have no childhood friends haha. Regardless, everyone should be as happy as possible through this shitty journey we call life.

Sidenote... for all the Entourage fans. Johnny Drama should have got the calf muscle surgery if it bothered him that much.

[Timoteo]

(07-26-2012 12:38 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

I have to agree with you. As long as it's not over done, if it truly makes you look better and you can afford it, why not? I guess the vanity issue still stands a bit. However, it's also vain for somoene who is already in pretty decent shape, to work out in a gym 4 days a week, using protein drinks, and putting themselves thru pain, in order to grow muscles to a size your body would not normally grow them. Hey, I do that too. I'm just saying it isn't any less vain that some surgery.

(07-26-2012 10:21 AM)TexasMade Wrote:  

You are on this Earth for 70 quality years if you’re lucky. I wouldn't let shit take away from my happiness. Wife, friends, family, perception, etc. If there is something cosmetic that really bothers a person. Fuck it. I use to wonder what the hell is wrong with Hollywood now I could care less how people fuck themselves up. Does anybody blame all the Columbian women for all that plastic surgery?

As for men, who cares what anyone else thinks. Fuck them. I guess I’m in the position to talk shit cause I’m not close to my family and have no childhood friends haha. Regardless, everyone should be as happy as possible through this shitty journey we call life.

Sidenote... for all the Entourage fans. Johnny Drama should have got the calf muscle surgery if it bothered him that much.

If you can't grow it, buy it. I used to work with a guy that's a personal trainer. He had the same issue with his calves - they just wouldn't grow no matter what kind of exercises he did. Genetics just won't allow certain muscle groups to get bigger, at least naturally. His dream was to have his pants get hung up on his calves when he pulled his pants leg up, but all those exercises did was make his calves hard...HA HA!

[mikeymike]

I've got no prob with plastic surgery, broke my nose as a young kid playing hockey and it ended up causing me some breathing issues as I got older so I went to have it corrected and the doc said while you're under you can do whatever you want to it so take your pick and I did...if I needed it elsewhere i'd do it...if you think you need it you do...everybody can tell you whatever they want but at the end of the day your opinions the only one that matters so do what ya want to make yourself happy and be the best version of you that you think you can put out there...if that means going under the knife so be it...if you're the type that wants an overhaul then you might have some issues but we all have things about us that could be better, why not fix them if you have the option.

[MikeCF]

(07-25-2012 02:46 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

I would definitely appreciate fashion advice from you or anyone who is skilled in that area. I am not one who generally takes a lot of pictures of myself, so quite honestly I don't have any to send that would be representative of how I dress when going out on the town. Still, I'm a little uncertain as to what that has to do with my asking question concerning cosmetic surgery. Those are 2 different issues. A nice sweater has nothing to do with an overly large nose, etc. My asking the question about cosmetic surgery shouldn't give you the impression that I don't want to improve my clothing game. I still welcome your advice, and will get some photos to you as soo as I have some that you can work with.

Also, the question was meant to be a general question in response to a statement I read in one of Roosh's posts. It's not as if I've been contemplating surgery for years or something. What he said got me to thinking about the viability of cosmetic surgery and how it would be perceived by family friends, and the public in general.

You sound needy and insecure. That's what WC was driving at.

When people ask a question, always look for the reason behind that question.

"I am considering plastic surgery."

That could mean you have a big ass Persian nose or are Jewish or have a white boy Revenge of the Nerds nose.

Or it could mean that you dress like a dope, don't have self-confidence, and are looking for a solution to those problems, i.e., your nose isn't the problem.

I know a lot about plastic surgery, as people close to me have had it. Where I'm from, anyone who hates on plastic surgery is a loser. Why NOT make yourself better?

But I sense from your tone that you have bigger issues.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(07-26-2012 07:56 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

You sound needy and insecure. That's what WC was driving at.

When people ask a question, always look for the reason behind that question.

"I am considering plastic surgery."

That could mean you have a big ass Persian nose or are Jewish or have a white boy Revenge of the Nerds nose.

Or it could mean that you dress like a dope, don't have self-confidence, and are looking for a solution to those problems, i.e., your nose isn't the problem.

I know a lot about plastic surgery, as people close to me have had it. Where I'm from, anyone who hates on plastic surgery is a loser. Why NOT make yourself better?

But I sense from your tone that you have bigger issues.

Well thank you Doctor Joyce Brothers. It's good to have your analysis. I'll add this bit of insight to the Netflix stock purchase advice I received several months back.

The truth is there are things that I wouldn't mind changing, if it could be done in a non exaggerated or obvious way. However, the thought of surgery didn't even cross my mind until about 5 days ago when I was reading a post from Roosh where he mentioned doing whatever it takes to give yourself confidence and make yourself look better, including a nose job if necessary. Quite honestly, I haven't heard too many guys in the Game advocate cosmetic surgery, since they mainly focus on getting women with skill, wit, etc. However, I found what Roosh to be very realistic, and practical. No matter how strong your game is, looking better will always make it stronger! It was upon reading that post that I there wouldn't be any shame in perhaps looking into surgery for areas I could use some subtle help in. I hope this clears things up. I'm not about to shoot up a movie theatre anytime soon because I'm ugly and can't get a girl!

[WestCoast]

Mike pretty much hit it on the head.

If i had not had that previous back and forth i would not have even came to that conclusion but its fairly clear to me that there is a deeper issue involved. I'd flush that out then consider moving on. Shit we all have some deep seated issues to resolve, only reason i found this forum is i struck out well over 80 times in a foreign country and felt I needed to address this "game" issue i was having. Turns out it was much more likely a "black swan" of sorts based on the info i dug up.

I'd second this with "not having photos" is a little bit ridiculous. How long does it take to snap a photo and load it up? 5 mins? less?

This is also why if you sift through the "beefs" you can find what people are really insecure about. Attacking money game = dude is probably broke, attacking being in shape = probably a fatass, attacking dressing nicely = guy prob dresses like shit, attacking XXX .... probably doesn't have it

[MikeCF]

A nose job is $15,000 (if done right) and 15 days to recover.

But if you have other issues, you could put that $15,000 to better use.

I for one do not do much with fashion. I'd rather spend that cash on a good gym membership and protein powder.

So I wear plaids from H&M, Forever 21, and Cotton On. They cost me around $25 but hug my body right.

If you have unlimited cash and free time, get a nose job. PM and I'll refer you to the best guy in Beverly Hills.

But your question about being judged/perceived shows you have other things floating around that are keeping you from being successful.

If people judge you, well, fuck them. Blow them out. Who cares?

But neither I nor anyone else should have to tell you that.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(07-26-2012 08:21 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Mike pretty much hit it on the head.

If i had not had that previous back and forth i would not have even came to that conclusion but its fairly clear to me that there is a deeper issue involved. I'd flush that out then consider moving on. Shit we all have some deep seated issues to resolve, only reason i found this forum is i struck out well over 80 times in a foreign country and felt I needed to address this "game" issue i was having. Turns out it was much more likely a "black swan" of sorts based on the info i dug up.

I'd second this with "not having photos" is a little bit ridiculous. How long does it take to snap a photo and load it up? 5 mins? less?

This is also why if you sift through the "beefs" you can find what people are really insecure about. Attacking money game = dude is probably broke, attacking being in shape = probably a fatass, attacking dressing nicely = guy prob dresses like shit, attacking XXX .... probably doesn't have it

Why does it always have to be some other "deep seated issue" to resolve? Why can't it simply be that I don't like my nose, or chin or whatever? I've already explained a million times what promted my original question, so I won't go any further with it. I would like to say however that I think it is somewhat bad form for you to discuss in public what I PM'd you in private. Not illegal, just bad form. Also, since we're airing out the business, I don't recall lamenting on how ugly I think I am. You mentioned how being older isa good thing, and I said all things being equal, (Money, career, behavior) a younger person can get more women than an older person.) That's all I said. You took from that that I have a problem with being older. at any rate, thanks for the clothing advice offer, but I'll decline. I wouldn't want what we discuss to end up on TMZ or anything.

[WestCoast]

Fair enough, good luck!

No worries won't throw up any more pm'd info.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(07-26-2012 08:38 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

A nose job is $15,000 (if done right) and 15 days to recover.

But if you have other issues, you could put that $15,000 to better use.

I for one do not do much with fashion. I'd rather spend that cash on a good gym membership and protein powder.

So I wear plaids from H&M, Forever 21, and Cotton On. They cost me around $25 but hug my body right.

If you have unlimited cash and free time, get a nose job. PM and I'll refer you to the best guy in Beverly Hills.

But your question about being judged/perceived shows you have other things floating around that are keeping you from being successful.

If people judge you, well, fuck them. Blow them out. Who cares?

But neither I nor anyone else should have to tell you that.

I would wager that a majority of men who don't go thru with surgery, even though they feel they have something wrong with them, refrain partly because they don't want to be seen as vain, or overly concerned with their looks. Also, pretty much anyone getting surgery in the first place is done due to caring about how people perceive their look. So, your false "confidence" doesn't really apply in this case, as well as unrealistic. WE ALL CARE ABOUT HOW WE'RE PERCEIVED! (Including you!) We all want to be considered nice looking, successful, etc. If we were OK with how things have been going, we wouldn't be on this forum!

[Basil Ransom]

The OP's issues aside, there's nothing inherently wrong with plastic surgery. I've always thought that if someone offered it to me for free, I'd say yes without hesitation.

If it will be a clear, marked improvement and you have the extra cash, go for it. There's a difference between having an 'insecurity' and disinterestedly recognizing that you have a feature that could be improved. And even if it were an insecurity, if you were to resolve it through plastic surgery and you would no longer be insecure about it... is that such a bad thing? It's like with a fat chick, you can tell her to 'accept her [fat] self for who she is." Or you can just tell her, "lose the weight." In the first case she's 'conquering her insecurity' through self-delusion, and in the other she's removing the impetus for her insecurity. It's only a problem if you'd feel insecure even after the surgery.

I didn't want to make this a discussion about the OP; he may or may not be the best candidate for it given his issues.

I have two relatives who are brother and sister, who got nose jobs. I think their father did too. They seem happy with it.

Also, I heard that procedures in Thailand, Singapore, et al are just as good as the doctors here and much cheaper. Go to Thailand, get a nose job at a cut rate, then party with those handsome ladyboys . Definitely do your due diligence first though.

[Timoteo]

(07-27-2012 05:48 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

The OP's issues aside, there's nothing inherently wrong with plastic surgery. I've always thought that if someone offered it to me for free, I'd say yes without hesitation.

If it will be a clear, marked improvement and you have the extra cash, go for it. There's a difference between having an 'insecurity' and disinterestedly recognizing that you have a feature that could be improved. And even if it were an insecurity, if you were to resolve it through plastic surgery and you would no longer be insecure about it... is that such a bad thing? It's like with a fat chick, you can tell her to 'accept her [fat] self for who she is." Or you can just tell her, "lose the weight." In the first case she's 'conquering her insecurity' through self-delusion, and in the other she's removing the impetus for her insecurity. It's only a problem if you'd feel insecure even after the surgery.

I didn't want to make this a discussion about the OP; he may or may not be the best candidate for it given his issues.

I have two relatives who are brother and sister, who got nose jobs. I think their father did too. They seem happy with it.

Also, I heard that procedures in Thailand, Singapore, et al are just as good as the doctors here and much cheaper. Go to Thailand, get a nose job at a cut rate, then party with those handsome ladyboys . Definitely do your due diligence first though.

I believe the Thais are the best at sexual reassignment surgery in the world. Lots of Americans go there because they do an excellent job, and yes, it's much cheaper. Who knows how many guys are banging chicks that have surgically constructed pussies. I saw a piece on cable about male to female, and female to male reassignment surgery. Fascinating how they do it. Here, dads pay for their daughter's nose jobs as graduation presents. In the last 10 years or so, there's been a leap in the amount of men getting cosmetic procedures, and I'm not talking about botox or nose jobs to fix crooked bridges or to fix deviated septums. I'm talking about pec and calf implants, and lipo. More and more men are saying fuck it, why not?

[Basil Ransom]

(07-27-2012 07:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I'm talking about pec and calf implants

Calf and pec implants just seem retarded to me, and just begging for trouble. Calf: Do you seriously think anyone gives a shit about your calves? I have polio calves, and if I'm really concerned about them holding me back, I'll just avoid wearing shorts for the day if appropriate. Pecs: just work out, do a lot of *back* work as well as chest work, and you should look more than decent. Unless your livelihood depends on looking perfect naked, I can't imagine these surgeries make sense. Turkey neck removal, hair restoration, lid lifts, nose jobs, sure. But calf implants? Really?

[Timoteo]

(07-27-2012 07:34 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I'm talking about pec and calf implants

Calf and pec implants just seem retarded to me, and just begging for trouble. Calf: Do you seriously think anyone gives a shit about your calves? I have polio calves, and if I'm really concerned about them holding me back, I'll just avoid wearing shorts for the day if appropriate. Pecs: just work out, do a lot of *back* work as well as chest work, and you should look more than decent. Unless your livelihood depends on looking perfect naked, I can't imagine these surgeries make sense. Turkey neck removal, hair restoration, lid lifts, nose jobs, sure. But calf implants? Really?

Yep. Really. And it's a shortcut to avoid putting in the work required to get it naturally.

[that guy]

(07-27-2012 07:34 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I'm talking about pec and calf implants

Calf and pec implants just seem retarded to me, and just begging for trouble. Calf: Do you seriously think anyone gives a shit about your calves? I have polio calves, and if I'm really concerned about them holding me back, I'll just avoid wearing shorts for the day if appropriate. Pecs: just work out, do a lot of *back* work as well as chest work, and you should look more than decent. Unless your livelihood depends on looking perfect naked, I can't imagine these surgeries make sense. Turkey neck removal, hair restoration, lid lifts, nose jobs, sure. But calf implants? Really?

No, there is a percentage of women who go crazy for good calf muscles. I know, it doesn't make sense to me either, but its very true and I've seen it in action. For some women having big calf muscles is similar to having big forearms. Don't ask me why (though im guessing when they see a guy in shorts with big calf muscles, they assume a great ass), but I guarantee you its true. Ask a few women you know, I guarantee at least 1 or 2 will cosign. Plus, good conversation starter.

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(07-26-2012 07:35 PM)mikeymike Wrote:  

I've got no prob with plastic surgery, broke my nose as a young kid playing hockey and it ended up causing me some breathing issues as I got older so I went to have it corrected and the doc said while you're under you can do whatever you want to it so take your pick and I did...if I needed it elsewhere i'd do it...if you think you need it you do...everybody can tell you whatever they want but at the end of the day your opinions the only one that matters so do what ya want to make yourself happy and be the best version of you that you think you can put out there...if that means going under the knife so be it...if you're the type that wants an overhaul then you might have some issues but we all have things about us that could be better, why not fix them if you have the option.

I didn't always see it this way, but the way you put it is definitely insightful. I agree 100%!

[Urban Renaissance Man]

(07-27-2012 05:48 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

The OP's issues aside, there's nothing inherently wrong with plastic surgery. I've always thought that if someone offered it to me for free, I'd say yes without hesitation.

If it will be a clear, marked improvement and you have the extra cash, go for it. There's a difference between having an 'insecurity' and disinterestedly recognizing that you have a feature that could be improved. And even if it were an insecurity, if you were to resolve it through plastic surgery and you would no longer be insecure about it... is that such a bad thing? It's like with a fat chick, you can tell her to 'accept her [fat] self for who she is." Or you can just tell her, "lose the weight." In the first case she's 'conquering her insecurity' through self-delusion, and in the other she's removing the impetus for her insecurity. It's only a problem if you'd feel insecure even after the surgery.

I didn't want to make this a discussion about the OP; he may or may not be the best candidate for it given his issues.

I have two relatives who are brother and sister, who got nose jobs. I think their father did too. They seem happy with it.

Also, I heard that procedures in Thailand, Singapore, et al are just as good as the doctors here and much cheaper. Go to Thailand, get a nose job at a cut rate, then party with those handsome ladyboys . Definitely do your due diligence first though.

The comment in bold above, and especially the underlined part sort of makes it about me, so the sly diss served it's intended purpose. (To make it abot me) I could go on a tear with insults, but for the most part I agree with the rest of what you had to say, so I'll let it slide.

[Basil Ransom]

(07-27-2012 08:03 PM)that guy Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:34 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I'm talking about pec and calf implants

Calf and pec implants just seem retarded to me, and just begging for trouble. Calf: Do you seriously think anyone gives a shit about your calves? I have polio calves, and if I'm really concerned about them holding me back, I'll just avoid wearing shorts for the day if appropriate. Pecs: just work out, do a lot of *back* work as well as chest work, and you should look more than decent. Unless your livelihood depends on looking perfect naked, I can't imagine these surgeries make sense. Turkey neck removal, hair restoration, lid lifts, nose jobs, sure. But calf implants? Really?

No, there is a percentage of women who go crazy for good calf muscles. I know, it doesn't make sense to me either, but its very true and I've seen it in action. For some women having big calf muscles is similar to having big forearms. Don't ask me why (though im guessing when they see a guy in shorts with big calf muscles, they assume a great ass), but I guarantee you its true. Ask a few women you know, I guarantee at least 1 or 2 will cosign. Plus, good conversation starter.

Yeah, I'm sure women like it, but I can't imagine it making enough of a difference to warrant the risk to your legs and all. Plus, there's still your abs, arms, chest, shoulders and ass to work out, all of which are probably at least as relevant as your calves. While there might be some things I'd want to change, I've never felt like my skinny ass calves of all things were a limitation.

Big Man, Skinny Calves:



Kevin Nee.

[that guy]

(07-27-2012 08:15 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 08:03 PM)that guy Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:34 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(07-27-2012 07:15 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I'm talking about pec and calf implants

Calf and pec implants just seem retarded to me, and just begging for trouble. Calf: Do you seriously think anyone gives a shit about your calves? I have polio calves, and if I'm really concerned about them holding me back, I'll just avoid wearing shorts for the day if appropriate. Pecs: just work out, do a lot of *back* work as well as chest work, and you should look more than decent. Unless your livelihood depends on looking perfect naked, I can't imagine these surgeries make sense. Turkey neck removal, hair restoration, lid lifts, nose jobs, sure. But calf implants? Really?

No, there is a percentage of women who go crazy for good calf muscles. I know, it doesn't make sense to me either, but its very true and I've seen it in action. For some women having big calf muscles is similar to having big forearms. Don't ask me why (though im guessing when they see a guy in shorts with big calf muscles, they assume a great ass), but I guarantee you its true. Ask a few women you know, I guarantee at least 1 or 2 will cosign. Plus, good conversation starter.

Yeah, I'm sure women like it, but I can't imagine it making enough of a difference to warrant the risk to your legs and all. Plus, there's still your abs, arms, chest, shoulders and ass to work out, all of which are probably at least as relevant as your calves. While there might be some things I'd want to change, I've never felt like my skinny ass calves of all things were a limitation.

Big Man, Skinny Calves:



Kevin Nee.

No doubt, I would never get implants there either. But doing some running in sand barefoot now and then will tone all of your legs, especially your calfs. I don't think that lack of good calfs is ever a turnoff, more like having them is sometimes an added bonus. I fear we are getting off topic, anyway . . .

[Timoteo]

I actually like nice calves on a woman, which wearing heels will give her. A skinny lower leg is a turn-off for me. Again, if she's built everywhere else, it's not a deal breaker, but I like a nice, shapely leg.

I think some men get implants because they ARE putting in the work to build them, but that particular muscle simply won't grow. There are definitely those guys that aren't proportionate because they only really work upper body, but there are some guys that try and simply can't get results naturally. When you're really built up top, the thin lower leg probably stands out more, whereas if your build is more lean it simply looks proportionate to the rest of you.