[Juan Antonio]

Is there a way to screen for the latter and weed out the former? What are the some of the signs?

My biggest sticking point in night game is wasting too much time with girls who go out in big groups to "dance" vs. finding girls who'd want to hook up for the night. I am thinking venue selection plays a big part, and I feel like I may be wasting time in big <25 nightclubs where college girls come out in big groups with their college friends to "dance lesbian" in their circles and attention whore.

I want to improve my efficiency/lay rate to a point where I'm pulling girls with as few approaches as possible. I know screening for the right girls in the right places plays a big part in this, so I want to maximize my utility in the 3 hours I have in a bar or club instead of wasting time with a mass shotgun approach and going home with my dick in my hand like most guys.

I'm curious as to how some of the more successful players screen and find the right girls to bring home for the night. Is it just down to luck - mass approaching to find the right girl at the right place at the right time? Or is it skill? Because I've had strong approaches on the wrong girl that went nowhere (time wasted), and I've had weak approaches that turned out well because the girl was DTF and I happened to be the right guy at the right time.

After a large enough sample size I'm sure the players here will notice some patterns in their hookups. Tips, tactics and strategies would be much appreciated.

[soup]

All girls are "out to dance" at the club, or at least that's what they'll say.

I wait by the bar for them to give me proximity. This weeds out a lot of the "out just to dance" shit.

[Sargon of Akkad]

The following are several signs you can look out for. These are at least the trends I've noticed among girls I faild with and girls I ended up taking home with me.

Girls who are out *just* to dance often exibit the following signs...

- they're in large groups

- usually heavily involved in those groups (i.e. talking, laughing, dancing) the entire time; never stray far away for more than a brief moment; pay little or no attention to anything outside their inner circle

- often found in mixed groups

- when in pairs, will do the "lesbian-dance" and stick to eachother like glue (again, ignoring the outside world).

- are particularly enthusiastic about dancing, and have a general "I'm here to have fun" or "give me more attention" vibe to them (run for the hills if she looks like she's been frequenting a dance club).

- when alone, if ever, will be seen sulking with her arms folded, shoulders raised, looking unfriendly and paranoid (read: "don't you dare talk to me").

Girls who are out "just" to dance...

- will be found either alone or in pairs (practically never more than groups of three)...

- (when with friends) no more than half of their attention is given to their friends; frequently move away from the inner circle; can often be seen looking around, throwing frequent glances at the dance floor and particularly men who pass by...

- almost never appear in mixed groups

- May or may not do the lesbian dance, but will almost certainly not cling to each other’s embrace with the same intensity as their counterparts

- when dancing will usually look like their having fun, but don't necessarily look like they're trying to show off (there are exceptions, though).

- When alone usually look like either normal, can be seen looking around, as though they are waiting for someone; By NO means a proof that she’s out to hook up, however. She could simply be waiting for her friends to come back from the bathroom, or accidentally got separated from them.

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Also, keep in mind the above mentioned signs are by no means universal, and no single indicator alone is going to guarantee that a girl is out to hook up with someone. It's is just a general trend I've noticed, and there will always be exceptions. In the end, it can still come down to playing the numbers game while screening.

Choosing the right club (sometimes the right city) is also vital; basically, you need to find whichever club near you is known as the local Meat Market. Don't head off to a posh little hipster lounge full of posers in expensive suits who are sitting on couches sipping martinis. Some countries and cities will have more of this than others. That was basically my reason for switching to daygame where I live. None of the clubs in my town really have an actual hookup culture. With few exceptions, people usually go out in mixed groups of friends and stay with those groups for the entire night. All the screening in the world won't help you if none of the girls in the room are DTF. These kinds of places are best avoided.

[XXL]

establish 'it's on' situation. she needs to know you want her and you will bang her the moment she ends up all alone with you. don't be that innocent indirect half friend half lover guy cause then she will leave with you but for similar innocent reasons. basically sex needs to be unspoken undestanding between both of you where you both know the deal and don't need to state it out loud. so when you say "time for afterparty!" deep down she knows there is NO fucking afterparty.

figure out logistics. as soon as you hook, find out what's what by asking basic questions, making statements and making observations. ex:
- ask what is she drinking and notice how much she drinks that night.. agressive drinking..
- ask her where lives/where she is staying, hostels, "i dont know", "have no specific plans", "at my place"...
- pay attention how she reacts to physicality, when you're over physical and she doesn't object too much...
- ask her about tomorrow, "nothing", "i don't know", "i leave tomorrow"...
- touch sexual topics, if she's excited and comfortable..
- lead her around constantly even for no reason and see how she reacts, if she complies..
- work on her friends.. if they see you as trustworthy and ok...

baby stepping. it's not one big move from the barstool where you both meet to her/your place. interaction has to move forward. every little thing counts.. moving her to the bar, to the dancefloor, outside, back inside, to her friends, to your friends, to the couch, etc, so that she's submitting to your leadership. that's a big thing.

her objections are the answers. so listen to her. if you hook her and she's giving you reasons why she can't leave with you, these reasons are exact things you need to deal with with full responsibility to pull her, she's guiding you.
- she's too drunk (keep buying her water for an hour)
- "i can't leave my friends" (asses the situation, if they like you and you can leave with her at the end of the night to her place it's ok chill, if not then come up with something like "i know it's ok come ok just 20 minutes they won't notice", or find some guys to occupy her friends,
- "give me your number" (say you don't do numbers/don't believe in numbers/it's more romantic to not know the numbers etc to emphasize the fear of loss)
- "where's afterparty?" (you come up with some shit that it's just right there)
- "but i won't get back in the club" (you say you know the bouncers)

so never commit to one method, try different angles. i find that the easiest ways is to stick with her and just leave the place with her to her place at the end of the night.

[Sombro]