[americanInEurope]

I've got mLTR's and I usually run a tight ship. At least I thought. This one 19 y.o German au pair I dug out during my 6 month stint in the devil anus (DC) and I were in a relationship since March or so. I'm glad I met her actually, because she was hotter and cooler than any American white chick I could have gotten in DMV. Anyway, I moved back to Europe last month and after a few weeks of daily phone chats and I miss you's, she went silent for a whole weekend. I knew something was up, and waited until Monday to call her. At first she told me she was drunk and didn't know wtf happened, woke up next to some random DC douche, half naked and shit. She said she doesn't remember what happened but thinks nothing happened because she still had her panties on. I call bullshit on that, asked her what the dude's name was and said we needed to call the police cause it sounded like she got raped. She fell for it, and a couple days later she eventually came clean and told me they did in fact have sex, she remembers it and feels so bad and doesn't know why she did it. She's crying, apologizing, giving me daily sob stories about how stupid she is and sorry she is for doing that. I got tired of making her apologize and thinking to myself this isn't half as bad as the shit I'm doing to her every weekend, I decide to let it ride and stay with her, on the condition that she makes me numero uno in her life. I'm talking phone calls, texts, everything without me having to ask. She said cool, but went out the very next weekend at the same damn club because her friend was going back to Germany and she "had" to go. She kept in pretty constant contact, but something was different. She was colder, less engaging. A few weeks later (this morning actually) before work, I call her (she's been ignoring me still for the past 2 weeks) and she tells me she thinks she doesn't wanna see me anymore. She says I'm too controlling now that I don't trust her, and things just aren't the same between us. She's actually right about that. I haven't been the same with her since she cheated on me. I turned into a fucking wuss, being that needy guy I haven't been in a while. But I had grown such an attachment to the pussy that I coveted it and felt like I needed to protect it. For me, it's a thin line between being a cool ladies man and that needy wuss. All it takes is a hot girl with a pretty snatch to get me hooked and needy. I need to work on that.

I know I shouldn't care, especially since I have an 18 y.o virgin in the stable now, plus various other early to mid twenty somethings, but it still hurts you know. Getting cheated on never feels good. Even though we reject people all the time, it still hurts when we get rejected ourselves. It's human nature. I talked about this with my sister and she recommended I turn over a new leaf and become a monogomous chode who writes love poems and pays girls electricity bills and shit. I love her but she can't help but give me horrible dating advice. She's an American chick. I asked her what if I decided to be that guy for this relationship that just ended? For all this chick knew up until 2 weeks ago, I was Carlton fucking Banks. I was a clean cut, nerdy guy who called and texted her every other day, never cheated, and made all these plans for shit for us to do once she gets back to Germany. And she STILL cheated on me lol. What if I was REALLY that guy? I'd feel like such a terrible fucking loser right now, and I'd be woman-less and furiously beating off like a chode. No way, fuck that. I'm glad I've got a plan B, C and D. Any man with a damn head on his shoulders would too. And it hurts and she's a bitch and all that, but I ain't gonna hate her for getting her game on. In fact, I still wanted to keep the shit going until she eventually told me she can't see me anymore because something has changed in her lol. Whateva. To kinda save face during my exit, I came clean and told her about the girls that I fucked too, but just in the two weeks that's past since she cheated on me (I don't think she could handle any more). She had the nerve to get pissed and say she's glad I told her, and to never talk to her again. Before that, we would have broken up with me being holding the bag like a fucking loser cry-baby asking her why she doesn't wanna see me anymore. Instead, she realizes that although I never truly had her, she also never truly had me.

[MikeCF]

It's not like she's your wife.

She wasn't a virgin when you found her. If she bangs another guy in between your bangs of her, who cares?

Next time don't confess to get even or whatever.

Keep your "cheating" to yourself. Use the guilt of the chick who cheated on you to your advantage.

[Excelsior]

(07-18-2012 12:22 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

She fell for it, and a couple days later she eventually came clean and told me they did in fact have sex, she remembers it and feels so bad and doesn't know why she did it. She's crying, apologizing, giving me daily sob stories about how stupid she is and sorry she is for doing that.

At this point, she fears losing you. You've got a little of what Roissy referred to as "dread" properly instilled in her, and it is paying dividends in her demeanor towards you.
She didn't have enough dread to totally avoid cheating, but she's still got enough respect/fear of you to know when she's wrong, and act accordingly. You have her where you want her now, and could conceivably (as MikeCF rightly mentioned) have played this to good advantage.

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I got tired of making her apologize and thinking to myself this isn't half as bad as the shit I'm doing to her every weekend, I decide to let it ride and stay with her, on the condition that she makes me numero uno in her life. I'm talking phone calls, texts, everything without me having to ask.

This, I'm sure you know, is where the mistake was.

Your logic was rational and fair ("I'm doing it to her, let me be give her a break"), but fair and rational never really works with the average western girl. That type of honor exists only between men.

These women, on the other hand, tend to respond much more readily to more unequal treatment. Your return on investment will be much higher if you lose all consideration for "fairness", and act like a selfish prick.

Such is the great irony. I make the same mistake you did here from time to time-it is tough for even a fairly experienced, well traveled guy with a fair-minded demeanor to internalize this, but it is what is needed. Women simply have no tolerance for anything less, as we'll soon see.

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She said cool, but went out the very next weekend at the same damn club because her friend was going back to Germany and she "had" to go. She kept in pretty constant contact, but something was different. She was colder, less engaging.

She lost the "dread". She's was no longer afraid of losing you at that point, and this led to a loss of attraction. She won't be able to codify it properly ("something has changed in her", she'll say, not knowing what that "something" is), but rest assured that the switch merely codes for the loss of dread. Her consequence for cheating on you was too light.

Give them an inch, they'll take a mile. The selfish prick gives no inch-with most of these women (particularly the westernized kind living in places like DC), you've just got to be the selfish prick. She has to absolutely fear the possibility that she won't have you, and once you give that inch (agreeing to take her back with minimal consequences, for example) she will no longer do that.

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A few weeks later (this morning actually) before work, I call her (she's been ignoring me still for the past 2 weeks) and she tells me she thinks she doesn't wanna see me anymore. She says I'm too controlling now that I don't trust her, and things just aren't the same between us.

Ironic that she says this since, in reality, its the lack of control you showed at the beginning that got you both here. She learned earlier that she can fuck other guys and have you stick around and even ask to make your relationship stronger. That told her that she has more control over you than the reverse (you're too invested to instill dread and keep her in line, hence she can get away with anything), and her switch quickly turned off.

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I turned into a fucking wuss, being that needy guy I haven't been in a while. But I had grown such an attachment to the pussy that I coveted it and felt like I needed to protect it. For me, it's a thin line between being a cool ladies man and that needy wuss. All it takes is a hot girl with a pretty snatch to get me hooked and needy. I need to work on that.

Been there.

Honestly, it is just an extremely difficult balance to maintain. Like Roosh said, the dating market you were operating in (she lived in DC, right? that left her open to Americanization, and we all know what that means) simply is a difficult one. We're not really built to operate with the need to walk this absurd tightrope and play a million games to interact with women, but we're forced to learn if we ever want sexual gratification in this market. It is adapt or die, really.

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I asked her what if I decided to be that guy for this relationship that just ended? For all this chick knew up until 2 weeks ago, I was Carlton fucking Banks. I was a clean cut, nerdy guy who called and texted her every other day, never cheated, and made all these plans for shit for us to do once she gets back to Germany. And she STILL cheated on me lol. What if I was REALLY that guy?

What did your sister say to that?

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I'd feel like such a terrible fucking loser right now, and I'd be woman-less and furiously beating off like a chode. No way, fuck that. I'm glad I've got a plan B, C and D. Any man with a damn head on his shoulders would too.

It is the only way to be, really.

Like I said, adapt or die...

[Excelsior]

(07-18-2012 12:51 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

It's not like she's your wife.

She wasn't a virgin when you found her. If she bangs another guy in between your bangs of her, who cares?

This is the right attitude to have, but it is hard to develop and maintain consistently.

This attitude allows you to do what should always be done: treat women as they are, not as you want them to be. Regardless of whatever romantic notions many men may have, young women (particularly of the western variety) do not want to be princesses. They respond far more readily to the treatment of the selfish prick (ex: Hunter Moore, Mick Jagger) than to the "white knight" who puts her well being over his own.

They aren't trying to be rescued, and they aren't trying to be devoted wifey to some "nice" guy-they just want to have fun, party a little, and fuck hot guys (at their discretion, not yours). If given the choice, they'd probably prefer to be the ho as opposed to the housewife. They simply do not want any of the limit imposed by the visions many romantic guys have. Even the mildly romantic one we see in this anecdote (where said guy still has a special place for her in his mind, but also still has other women on speed-dial) is enough to get them running away-they want no piece of the (needy) vision many smitten men want to foist upon them.

Young guys have to learn this the hard way, but even older red-pill takers like AmericaninEurope (and myself, I'm not ashamed to admit it) forget it sometimes when a girl of apparently high quality shows up. We want to forget what she really is, make her what we want, and treat her the way we as men think is ideal (with "fairness", and all that). None of that works, and the lesson is re-learned once again-they don't want it and they never will. They simply are what they are-one cannot make them into anything else, and what you wish to see them become is truly irrelevant to them.

It is an ongoing process for most, experienced or otherwise. We all slip up.

[OGNorCal707]

I think it's funny how guys cheat on their girlfriends, but expect their girlfriends to be monogamous and faithful, then get all upset and hurt when they get cheated on.

Anyways beyond being kind of hypocrite, I think you're tripping on the long distance relationship thing, I mean I've been there and done that, so I understand where you're coming from, but I learned from experience and will never make that mistake again. If you're on different continents there's no chance in hell things are going to work out, for women it's "out of sight, out of mind", if their dude's away and there are guys giving her attention, she's going to revel in that attention, especially if she's a hot chick.

The only way a long distance thing is worth it, is if you're seeing each other frequently at least once a month for a few days, otherwise they will start going out partying with their friends, getting drunk, and hooking up with new dudes. It's just the nature of the attractive western woman.

[americanInEurope]

(07-18-2012 01:21 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

They aren't trying to be rescued, and they aren't trying to be devoted wifey to some "nice" guy-they just want to have fun, party a little, and fuck hot guys (at their discretion, not yours). If given the choice, they'd probably prefer to be the ho as opposed to the housewife. They simply do not want any of the limit imposed by the visions many romantic guys have. Even the mildly romantic one we see in this anecdote (where said guy still has a special place for her in his mind, but also still has other women on speed-dial) is enough to get them running away-they want no piece of the (needy) vision many smitten men want to foist upon them.

Have you noticed that this behavior is more common in western girls about 21 - 24? In my experience, girls younger than that still cling to the romantic dream of having a boyfriend and falling in love really deeply. They are quicker to start an LTR because that's really all they know. Girls older than that are usually looking to settle down, looking to get married and have kids. They're looking for a serious guy. They did their years as the slut and whore and have been burned by guys who they liked but weren't serious with them. Girls over 25 in the west almost always want a BF and not a ONS or a fuck buddy because the clock is ticking. That golden age of 21 - 24 for me personally is the hardest to get for western girls because they're in their prime and exibit that behavior you just described the most at this age. Naturally I fetishize about this and psych myself out so whenever I approach a hot girl around that age I kinda get extra nervous. I'm expecting more turbulence than I would from a sweet kinda innocent 18 y.o or a desperate tired of being alone 28 y.o. I'm sure if there's a statistic out there on it, it'll probably prove that most girls get the most dick between 21 - 24.

[Excelsior]

(07-18-2012 02:27 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

Have you noticed that this behavior is more common in western girls about 21 - 24? In my experience, girls younger than that still cling to the romantic dream of having a boyfriend and falling in love really deeply. They are quicker to start an LTR because that's really all they know. Girls older than that are usually looking to settle down, looking to get married and have kids. They're looking for a serious guy. They did their years as the slut and whore and have been burned by guys who they liked but weren't serious with them. Girls over 25 in the west almost always want a BF and not a ONS or a fuck buddy because the clock is ticking.

You've got it down almost perfectly, though I'd revise the lower end of that range down a little (say to 19 or so). The younger girls are commonly locked down, and almost always seeking LTRs. Once those old high school relationships end (as is common by the time she's 19/20), girls seem to go right into party mode, and it usually doesn't stop until they're on the wrong side of 25. Then, as you say, they begin at least hearing the bio clock, seeing the first of their friends marry and/or start families, and they begin moving forward in their outlook (back to LTRs/more serious guys, "time to find Mr. Right").

They are extremely wary of getting "locked down" during their "primetime" period, and you can almost sense this fear that allowing themselves to do so could seriously harm them (take away their freedom, stifle the "best time of their lives", etc, etc).
I think that, subconsciously, girls at 19-24 are aware of just how much power they have on the sexual market. They can sense they're at their peak, and (regardless of how much propaganda they hear saying otherwise), they know it won't last long-they've got maybe 5/6 years on top, and that'll be it. The rest of their life will be spent trying to recapture some of the beauty/access that they've got right then and there.

There is a persistent fear that they will not take full potential advantage of this brief period, and they want to milk it for all it is worth. That, and some of them just get drunk on the power. This recent thread showed what even a fairly plain girl at the very tail end (actually, probably slightly beyond) her prime can get with this power (almost $1000 worth of food, drink and activity in a weekend). Imagine being a truly attractive 19-24 year old girl-would you give up this kind of access? Would you rather take advantage of all the free benefits men of all ages are offering you (trips, money, gifts, drinks, meals, cars, etc), or would you give that all up for a single dude?

You might elect for the latter, but only if that dude is especially attractive to you.

We frequently talk about girls riding the "cock carousel" for a period before they start getting serious. I think that carousel works the hardest in the 19-24 range because girls know that this is the only chance most of them will really get to ride it at full speed.

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That golden age of 21 - 24 for me personally is the hardest to get for western girls because they're in their prime and exibit that behavior you just described the most at this age. Naturally I fetishize about this and psych myself out so whenever I approach a hot girl around that age I kinda get extra nervous. I'm expecting more turbulence than I would from a sweet kinda innocent 18 y.o or a desperate tired of being alone 28 y.o. I'm sure if there's a statistic out there on it, it'll probably prove that most girls get the most dick between 21 - 24.

I'm almost certain of it.

The sweet spot seems to be 25-28.

Girls at this age are still just about in their prime physically (though they're at the very tail end of it), yet they're mature enough to move past the cock carousel stage (or, at the very least, making some significant progress in getting there). They've got the looks of the younger girls with just a touch less bullshit (like you said, less "turbulence").

[Excelsior]

(07-18-2012 01:44 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think it's funny how guys cheat on their girlfriends, but expect their girlfriends to be monogamous and faithful, then get all upset and hurt when they get cheated on.

Our own biology puts us in a naturally hypocritical position.

Sexually, men want variety, often for variety's sake. They want to spread their seed far and wide, "sow wild oats" and all that.

At the same time, human males (like all great apes) are quite aggressive and rather territorial toward one another, and very possessive of our "conquests" (be it territory or a mate). We want our variety, but we don't want other males enjoying what is ours. We have this latent desire to conquer sexually, and yet maintain at the same time a need to keep those conquests exclusively ours. We get frustrated more often than not when we cannot do this, as if it is some sort of affront to our very purpose. It takes quite a bit of social conditioning to even begin to overcome this.

This might partially explain why, historically, only about 40% of men ever reproduced.

[solo]

(07-18-2012 01:21 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(07-18-2012 12:51 AM)MikeCF Wrote:  

It's not like she's your wife.

She wasn't a virgin when you found her. If she bangs another guy in between your bangs of her, who cares?

This is the right attitude to have, but it is hard to develop and maintain consistently.

I gotta disagree here, am I the only one? A big reason for practising game to me is to be better than other guys and win the girl. You don't care that she has sex with another guy? I think it's disgusting behaviour to do that really. I admit it I'm a jealous person, to the point of actually feeling disturbed just by reading this thread. Maybe some people would say that I'm insecure or whatever and I that should work on this but I feel its part of my values. I honestly believe I'm too good to have to share my girls (not saying you aren't).

I guess if your only goal with game is to bang chicks, then yeah it doesn't matter. I'm looking for more than just that.

I would agree screening for the right type of chick (even more than improving your level of game, looks, money etc) is the most reliable way to not get cheated on. I don't think all girls are sluts (even though in the West many though far from all are).
There is another thread going on discussing that not even Mick Jagger had an exclusive on all of his girls.

(07-18-2012 01:44 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think it's funny how guys cheat on their girlfriends, but expect their girlfriends to be monogamous and faithful, then get all upset and hurt when they get cheated on.

Anyways beyond being kind of hypocrite,

Firt of all I don't think I've ever cheated on a girlfriend (at least not anyone who didn't deserve it) but I don't see how even if you have, you can be regarded an hypocrite. Men's sexuality is different from females'. I think we all agree that as men our genes tell us to have sex with as many girls as possible. During the majority of human history it was normal that a few men (the alphas) formed harems in which the women traded their sexuality and ability to give birth in exchange for food and protection, while many betas didn't get any girls (just like today).

The video posted in the "Femocalypse" thread explains this very well, how men had a surplus in work and women a surplus in birth capability and how this created a certain division of labour.

However, women (unlike men) can only procreate with one member of the opposite sex at the same time. This biological arrengement made them more inclined to having just one sexual partner which they carefully chose (hypergamy). Also, the whole process of child birth and thereafter is long and arduous so it was important that she had a good man to take care of her and the child (having many men would make any one man less willing to take care of her child since there was otherwise no way of knowing who the childs father was.

[Samseau]

The best way to cause dread in a woman you're banging is to tell her that you don't care if she sleeps with anyone else.


She'll think to herself, "Doesn't he like me?" And she'll work harder to keep your attention.

[flyfreshandyoung]

(07-18-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to cause dread in a woman you're banging is to tell her that you don't care if she sleeps with anyone else.


She'll think to herself, "Doesn't he like me?" And she'll work harder to keep your attention.

So true.

Even less up front statements like "I don't care who you talk to" or "I don't care if people see your boobs" (apple river, used her to get more beads for me) or "i don't care if that dude is trying to get with you" work wonders.

The total lack of jealousy on your part is a mind fuck.

[el mechanico]

I think I own all the pussy. Every single piece. Any of you guys get laid tonight? You got one by me. I just wasn't there to collect. No big. When I'm in the room? Nothing is off limits. Don't worry I wont stay long. You hook up while I'm there? I'll watch you next time. Need some ass? Let me know. It's all mine. You can borrow some.

[Veloce]

(07-18-2012 05:40 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I think I own all the pussy. Every single piece. Any of you guys get laid tonight? You got one by me. I just wasn't there to collect. No big. When I'm in the room? Nothing is off limits. Don't worry I wont stay long. You hook up while I'm there? I'll watch you next time. Need some ass? Let me know. It's all mine. You can borrow some.

I'm feelin' this. I'd rather delude myself and live in my happy ignorant world where I've got the only cock in the room and every chick wants it. I'm not looking to get hitched anytime soon so I could give two shits if a girl is 100% committed to me. If she's in my rotation or I'm calling her my gf, she just be ready to do whatever I want, when I want, or she's getting the boot. If she manages to find time to have a little something of her own on the side, hey, no biggie. If I find out she's toast and it's on to the next. No hard feelings.

[soup]

(07-18-2012 04:10 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(07-18-2012 01:44 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I think it's funny how guys cheat on their girlfriends, but expect their girlfriends to be monogamous and faithful, then get all upset and hurt when they get cheated on.

Our own biology puts us in a naturally hypocritical position.

Sexually, men want variety, often for variety's sake. They want to spread their seed far and wide, "sow wild oats" and all that.

At the same time, human males (like all great apes) are quite aggressive and rather territorial toward one another, and very possessive of our "conquests" (be it territory or a mate). We want our variety, but we don't want other males enjoying what is ours. We have this latent desire to conquer sexually, and yet maintain at the same time a need to keep those conquests exclusively ours. We get frustrated more often than not when we cannot do this, as if it is some sort of affront to our very purpose. It takes quite a bit of social conditioning to even begin to overcome this.

This might partially explain why, historically, only about 40% of men ever reproduced.

It's only seemingly hypocritical. A man can't cheat on a woman. He can only cheat on his own nature, and he cheats her by ignoring her nature and the game. The king that she wants would dismiss her (or have her beheaded). You want to keep a woman around and have her not cheat, she has to see you as her god. She has to know from the first moment you meet her that she can and will be easily replaced if necessary, that she means nothing to you.

She must never learn to understand you. Your decision making process must remain a mystery. Your frustration cannot be telegraphed. Regardless of whether or not she "cheated" (not sure if this is the right word- would you trust a dog not to eat an open pack meat if left unsupervised?) The whole thing is a massive shit test.

It's so big a shit test, that I don't believe there is a way to directly deal with it once it starts. The best thing you can do is just hit the next button and work on getting your pre-catastrophic-shit-test-game together to prevent it from happening in the future.

Just imagine you are "the most interesting man in the world" from the Dos Equis commercial. You know that guy wouldn't let any crazy woman shit ruin his fun. You have to let them know from the get go that drama isn't going to be part of the equation, that you are cool as fucking ice, and won't put up with any bullshit.

[Timoteo]

Once distance works its way into a relationship, it's just a matter of time. She's going to meet someone sooner or later. Yeah, at first she DOES miss you. The distance is kind of romantic at first, because it forces you to communicate in ways you didn't have to before. The novelty wears off. The communication becomes more infrequent, and when you do talk, as you noticed, it feels different - almost formal. If you're gone indefinitely, or she knows you're never coming back, GAME OVER. She's definitely going to fuck another dude, and she'll feel guilty because you aren't "officially" done yet, though realistically you both know it's over.

I learned about the distance thing in college. It followed the same script. When they first get to college, the letters and phonecalls (I was in college pre-internet...HA HA!) are regular. Shit is all mushy and "I miss you" this and that. The boyfriend/girlfriend comes up for visits when they can, and you see each other on breaks when you're both back in the hometown. Then something changes. The letters are less frequent. The tone of the phonecalls changes - you're arguing now. You meet someone at school and start fucking them. You have that final argument and end it with the one back home. It's hard to survive the distance.

[keepreal]

(07-18-2012 05:23 PM)flyfreshandyoung Wrote:  

(07-18-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to cause dread in a woman you're banging is to tell her that you don't care if she sleeps with anyone else.


She'll think to herself, "Doesn't he like me?" And she'll work harder to keep your attention.

So true.

Even less up front statements like "I don't care who you talk to" or "I don't care if people see your boobs" (apple river, used her to get more beads for me) or "i don't care if that dude is trying to get with you" work wonders.

The total lack of jealousy on your part is a mind fuck.

Is this even better?-, I don't a fuck if what u do, if u no longer love me, i will just move on to the next one.
I wonder how pissed off would she be if u fucked her mom/sister in front of her?

[Excelsior]

(07-20-2012 11:13 PM)keepreal Wrote:  

(07-18-2012 05:23 PM)flyfreshandyoung Wrote:  

(07-18-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to cause dread in a woman you're banging is to tell her that you don't care if she sleeps with anyone else.


She'll think to herself, "Doesn't he like me?" And she'll work harder to keep your attention.

So true.

Even less up front statements like "I don't care who you talk to" or "I don't care if people see your boobs" (apple river, used her to get more beads for me) or "i don't care if that dude is trying to get with you" work wonders.

The total lack of jealousy on your part is a mind fuck.

Is this even better?-, I don't a fuck if what u do, if u no longer love me, i will just move on to the next one.

No.

The point of these suggestions is to show (preferably earlier on in the relationship, but it can work a little later too) that you aren't too invested. This is done by being casual and in no way possessive.

Your statement fails on both of those counts. It sounds too emotional (read: investment) and is entirely too combative. Again, the goal is to show her that there is no pressure in your relationship from your end, that she doesn't have to worry about crossing any lines with you and you judging her for it, and that things are casual-you don't own her, you don't want to own her, she can do her thing and all will be fine by you.

This, in turn, puts the ball in her court and allows her to show if she wants more than this from you, which she will be more likely to do if she actually is into you and fears that you're not invested.

You don't need to cuss at her, impose any conditions ("if you don't love me"-your bringing up love at this point sounds very needy) or threaten to get her back by showing her how replaceable she is ("move on to the next one"). All of that is counter-productive, and will simply run her off.

You just need to relax.

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I wonder how pissed off would she be if u fucked her mom/sister in front of her?

Do you want to bang the girl or fight with her?

[snoop]

(07-18-2012 12:22 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

I know I shouldn't care, especially since I have an 18 y.o virgin in the stable now, plus various other early to mid twenty somethings, but it still hurts you know. Getting cheated on never feels good. Even though we reject people all the time, it still hurts when we get rejected ourselves. It's human nature.

I disagree, it doesn't always hurt. Someone else cheating is a sign of their weakness and failing as a human, not yours. In this case it sounds like you were being a liar first and more frequently though so her cheating shines the spotlight on your own shortcomings as a man as well.

If you think cheating is wrong then live your life that way and see if it changes your feelings on being cheated on. if you think cheating is okay, then this is the price you pay.

[snoop]

(07-18-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to cause dread in a woman you're banging is to tell her that you don't care if she sleeps with anyone else.


She'll think to herself, "Doesn't he like me?" And she'll work harder to keep your attention.

For many that may be true, but for many other women that will be an open invitation to wildly fuck every last one of your friends and/or enemies to prove a point.

[Samseau]

(07-24-2012 11:40 AM)snoop Wrote:  

(07-18-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to cause dread in a woman you're banging is to tell her that you don't care if she sleeps with anyone else.


She'll think to herself, "Doesn't he like me?" And she'll work harder to keep your attention.

For many that may be true, but for many other women that will be an open invitation to wildly fuck every last one of your friends and/or enemies to prove a point.

Those girls are doing you a favor. By showing their true colors, you automatically know they are trash prospects for any kind of serious relationship.

[snoop]

(07-24-2012 12:49 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-24-2012 11:40 AM)snoop Wrote:  

(07-18-2012 01:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

The best way to cause dread in a woman you're banging is to tell her that you don't care if she sleeps with anyone else.


She'll think to herself, "Doesn't he like me?" And she'll work harder to keep your attention.

For many that may be true, but for many other women that will be an open invitation to wildly fuck every last one of your friends and/or enemies to prove a point.

Those girls are doing you a favor. By showing their true colors, you automatically know they are trash prospects for any kind of serious relationship.

While what you say is true, consider that for someone who is already very worried about being cheated on, this seems like an extremely damaging emotional situation to risk putting themselves in.

That's the perspective I was trying to aim from, not just in general.

[Hades]

So the right thing to do to properly instill dread and keep your pimp hand strong is to relax and display no indications of jealousy? Not giving a shit wins again?

[speakeasy]

19 year old girl plus living on different continents. What exactly were you expecting?? Nobody is going to lock down a teenage chic that lives 6,000 miles away.

And sorry to sound beta here, but why complain about a girl cheating on you if you're doing the same?

[americanInEurope]

(07-25-2012 12:50 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

And sorry to sound beta here, but why complain about a girl cheating on you if you're doing the same?

That seems to be the concensious from a lot of the guys that I talk to not in "the game." Including pops. Honestly it comes down to hitting it raw. Yeah I do it sometimes, and if I ever get a case of the drippy dick or something worse, I won't touch any girl in my stable and would tell them all to get tested. It fucking sucks to make that phone call, but I would do it in a flash. I never have more than 3 chicks in the stable and I don't have ONS's. Would they do the same? idk. That's why, as selfish and illogical as it sounds, I'm the only one that I trust to sleep around sound the alarm when something goes wrong. Nobody else.

[Kwisatz]

I’ve seen this before, a question I haven’t had adequately answered is how would you know if “she makes me numero uno in her life.” How could you tell if you were #1 now, if you couldn’t before? This question isn’t meant as an insult.

(07-18-2012 12:22 AM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

I got tired of making her apologize and thinking to myself this isn't half as bad as the shit I'm doing to her every weekend, I decide to let it ride and stay with her, on the condition that she makes me numero uno in her life.