[Veloce]

At my new job I see quite a bit of quality tail, 8+ on a consistent basis. It seems a little but I often check out the guys they're with more thoroughly, to try to pick up a lesson or two.

Today I was in the elevator coming down from the private rooftop, and I shared the elevator with an older guy and his chick who was smoking, solid 9 for sure. Most likely a model, big fake tits, she was glorious.

The guy opens ME up and starts asking if I'm getting ready for the party (we had a big rooftop party that evening) and, honestly, I don't remember everything he said. There was something about the way he talked, his voice filled the elevator and reverberated, thought it wasn't what you called loud. He was extremely dominant in the conversation but not in a way that was dick-swinging or douchey. He was probably 50+, a bigger guy for sure and not in good shape. He was dressed comfortably in a linen shirt and white shorts, and kept his hand on his girl's lower back. He most likely had money, but I've seen enough rich dudes with gold diggers to be able to sense the girl's attraction. The girl in the elevator definitely seemed very, very into him and I didn't get the gold digger vibe at all. The best way I could describe him is the dos equis most interesting man in the world.

It's not often that I'm taken aback and think to myself, "Damn. That guy was a serious fucking alpha." But I did today. I think it's important to have those moments of recognition so you can see what it truly means. Those older cats with the smoking hotties in their early 20s can teach you a lot. Being alpha is not being aggro. It's being cool but dominant at the same time, and the first thing I thought of at the time is how much I wanted to go out to the bar and internalize what I'd witnessed.

[haywire]

(07-01-2012 12:42 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Those older cats with the smoking hotties in their early 20s can teach you a lot. Being alpha is not being aggro. It's being cool but dominant at the same time, and the first thing I thought of at the time is how much I wanted to go out to the bar and internalize what I'd witnessed.

Yup, I've seen such guys too and almost always they happen to be older. Being 'alpha' is when you're totally your natural self, without trying to be someone else or putting up an act. And yet bitches swarm on you like a rockstar. Perhaps it is fair to say that being alpha is the same as being natural.

[Kitsune]

I think you have a crush.

[Excelsior]

(07-01-2012 03:05 AM)haywire Wrote:  

(07-01-2012 12:42 AM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

Those older cats with the smoking hotties in their early 20s can teach you a lot. Being alpha is not being aggro. It's being cool but dominant at the same time, and the first thing I thought of at the time is how much I wanted to go out to the bar and internalize what I'd witnessed.

Yup, I've seen such guys too and almost always they happen to be older. Being 'alpha' is when you're totally your natural self, without trying to be someone else or putting up an act. And yet bitches swarm on you like a rockstar. Perhaps it is fair to say that being alpha is the same as being natural.

Women respond best to displays of value that are not put forward with much effort by the man himself. They prefer to casually see it, sense it, hear about it or feel it rather than have it directly described to them or shoved into their faces intentionally to make a point.

This is why pre-selection is such a powerful weapon for any male. It is one thing for a male to try to DHV himself by revealing his high status directly to her (via story or whatever). It is another when he does not do this and appears (via body language and other cues) to have absolutely no desire to do so, merely going about his business unaffected as other people (especially females) reveal to her with no prompting from him or as she witnesses in one way or another that he is indeed a high status male.

I don't agree with Hooligan Harry on a lot of things, but he described this dynamic quite well here in a thread dedicated to discussing the merits of money in relation to game:

(12-10-2011 05:39 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Everyone always makes out like you are always going to be competing directly for women, and while its true sometimes its not true all the time. You are not going to be heads up against other men all the time unless you are relying on nothing but clubs and bars.

When you walk into a club, everyone is well dressed. The best looking guys who have the social skills to handle the bitches are going to be fucking. If you are in a proper dance club, the pretty boys who can dance are going to be fucking. If some 50 year old multi millionaire walks into that club cold he is going to be going home alone that night because there is no way for him to convey what he is worth. He is just some 50 year old guy. He could offer to buy a round of drinks or try throw some money around, but we all know that its going to count for shit and would do him more harm than good.

But the difference is that the 50 year old multimillionaire is not going to walk into the club without a woman in the first place. And he is not going to at the bar buying drinks, he is going to be in the VIP area where they run his booze to him. And he is not going to dance, he would rather talk shit and relax with the people he is with while his dumb bitch dances around before he takes her home and fucks her.

Where wealthy men come into their own is just by doing their day to day shit. A bitch at the gym saw him get out of a half a million dollar car. A waitress where he eats sees the monster credit card. The air hostess in first class sees the watch. They simply make themselves more available to them and they are a bit more aggressive with these guys. Where you have to open them, they open the wealthy guy.

The major difference is that while you are chasing them and gaming them, the shoe is on the other foot when you are wealthy. And it would be no different if you were famous or were known to have a lot of power, like a senator or well known politician. Which means they spend far less time working the bitch.

Now lets compare that to game. Women are not really opening you unless you are really good looking or stood out in some way, so you open random women or you focus on those who showed some level of interest in you. This is typical for most men. Some do this only in clubs and bars, others do it everywhere. So you are working numbers where there is no certainty of interest on her part, unlike the rich or famous guy who she made her interest obvious to.

Part of that interaction is where the social status whoring starts. All the DHV tricks, negs, push/pull, positive confidence, whatever the fuck you are doing in an effort to seduce the slut. All of this is a social skill where you mimic what a man with status would already have by default. You mimic the "alpha" traits. All you are doing is passing shit test after shit test showing her that you are a high value male who should have access to her ovaries.

Compared to the real high status man though, he does not have to prove as much because she subconsciously thinks positively about him from the get go, and its his to fuck up from there. But her guard is way down, unlike with the PUA, who has to work through the bitch shield first.

Men who are able to naturally convey value without consciously "DHV'ing" or trying to show higher value (showing off, running routines, etc) are, in reality, the most successful of all. They operate on another level many of us have difficult conceiving of given the fact that so few men occupy it.

This level, however, should be the end goal for any man attempting to learn game or wishing to embark upon a path of self-improvement. Acquiring higher levels of wealth relative to others within your environment and living accordingly is one way to reach this level.

[soup]

I think it would behoove any aspiring player with high goals to hang with gay dudes and watch how they decimate the female ego.

If they wanted to turn straight, most gay guys could probably pull greater quantities, and higher qualities of ass than most straight men.

They are sexually liberated in a way that most straight men these days aren't. A lot of them are un-apologetic about their sexuality. I think straight guys were generally probably like this more in the 1970s.

If you have no shame, than the woman might feel the sympathy freedom and gravitate towards you. Women need the man to make sex okay.

[soup]

I think it would behoove any aspiring player with high goals to hang with gay dudes and watch how they decimate the female ego.

If they wanted to turn straight, most gay guys could probably pull greater quantities, and higher qualities of ass than most straight men.

They are sexually liberated in a way that most straight men these days aren't. A lot of them are un-apologetic about their sexuality. I think straight guys were generally probably like this more in the 1970s.

If you have no shame, than the woman feel the sympathy freedom and gravitate towards you. Women need the man to make sex okay.

[XXL]

yes i agree completely with Athlone. women are super receptive, they have their fucking 6th sense and very sharp eye for little tiny details that convey personality/status.

subtle for men = obvious for women
obvious for men = total douchy/try-hard for women

this is why, few years back i realized that "All the DHV tricks, negs, push/pull, positive confidence, whatever the fuck [...] You mimic the "alpha" traits." and decided go full natural to be able to attract girls with my personality without executing material/dhv

i noticed it's obsolete cause when i feel like the shit i automaticaly give less of a fuck than the girl and they're intigued and curious what's going on there. just like the guy in that elevator. he felt like the shit so automatically his subcomms were tight, BL, voice, swagger, humour, charisma, no approval seeking etc. i bet that this hot chick would not be able to repeat anything he said afterwards cause all she felt was raw attraction, like a trance of good emotions.

[Greek kamaki]

Rich guys have a special problem related to pick up.Unlike in other activities they cannot delegate.In other issues they just have to choose the right persons to do the job for them but in pick up it is impossible.Also skills which allow persuation and imposing power on employees do not work so good on women because of the unstable nature of the latter.So the rich guy is never in full control in every case.If you have balls you can do damage.However ultimately the money always wins one way or the other.