[WestCoast]

You are missing the concept again.

I read it in full.

If you can't get a girl to meet you after a 5 minute chat I don't understand the difference between that and texting. By callin you are practicing being persuasive.

I work 80+ hours a week. I will never text a girl until I have already had sex with her. Or I am forced to because she also makes well over 6 figures and can't pick up the phone, then yes be logistical.

If talking to a girl decreases your sexual vibe with her then I would wager salesmanship is weak. Nothing but upside by calling, downside is you find out you spit relatively weak game, that's fine I'd rather not waste my time with her.

(07-06-2012 08:23 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 08:16 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 08:06 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

22? yea it is, obviously. if you're in mexico you should drop a data sheet while you're on the ground there.

Again I agree with G.

What risk? If she says you're weird the game you spit was soft. If she says you're weird she is not worth your time because I have never been on a text date in my life. If she says anything to complain about talking on the phone she is trying to in the conversation. SHE SHOUlD APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR NOT PICKING UP. That or at least be EXCITED you called.

CORE GAME CONCEPT- Use "game" to make you better at talking, this helps "game", interviews, dates, social circles... Again I h e never seen a date/interview go down via "text messages".

If she is really too busy that's fine you just run logistics.

Otherwise text is just to waste time when shit is slow and you're bored so you talk to peeps.

Please read my first post more carefully. Obviously she's excited that I would call, but the question is would I be excited to talk to her on the phone? I prefer seeing a girl in person than talking on the phone. To me talking on the phone is wasted time. I'd much rather see a girl in person so I can escalate and enjoy her physical presence. I don't even like talking on the phone with my family and best friends half the time. If it's one of my boys that I haven't spoken to in a long ass time, of course. I'll spend half an hour on the phone to bullshit and catch up, but I'm just not a phone person. I'd much rather meet up with them in person and hang out.

[UgSlayer]

Why do people cut off my posts in their replies? Damn man 80 hours a week is rough, let alone 80+. Assuming you sleep 6 hours a night that only leaves 46 hours of free time a week maximum. I can respect that as my father used to do the same when he moved to this country with a couple thousand in his pockets and nothing else. He is now a very successful business owner. However, I enjoy my free time and extra-curricular pursuits. To each his own.

It sounds like you're still improving your verbals and using the phone as a means to practice, which is cool. I am confident enough in mine that I don't feel the need to "practice".

Anyway, it's cool you do what you do as I assume it's working for you, I'll keep doing what I do because I know it works for me.

I'm not here to see who's right or wrong as people are different. Just here to offer help and tips to those who seek it.

[WestCoast]

Fair enough, I am going to ignore the quasi insult of saying I'm practicing. I'll clarify.

If you're texting you're not getting better at anything. Texting is lazy. It does not make you better at life. Talking on the phone has 0 down side. It makes you practice talking/selling.

I'll add I have yet to see a successful sales pfch done via email. You must meet/talk it out.

Text = lazy game. I never said it doesn't work. It's just not making you better.

I don't do anything that doesn't help me get better. Hell the only reason I post here is to get connected more if possible.

Your father is a GREAT example! He busts ass, now runs a business. This is why I agree with a ton of what G says because it's always be improving.

If someone says to me "don't you just want an average life?" I look at them and straight tell them. Fuck You. If you want to be average talk to someone else, you only live once you max out every second. If you fail, then sure you reset, but that's just unacceptable to not try IMHO.

So yeah the real title should be "what does texting add to your life". Nothing. Avoid useless shit if possible, it's a last resort.

(07-06-2012 09:30 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

Why do people cut off my posts in their replies? Damn man 80 hours a week is rough, let alone 80+. Assuming you sleep 6 hours a night that only leaves 46 hours of free time a week maximum. I can respect that as my father used to to the same when he moved to this country with a couple thousand in his pockets and nothing else. He is now a very successful business owner. However, I enjoy my free time and extra-curricular pursuits. To each his own.

It sounds like you're still improving your verbals and using the phone as a means to practice, which is cool. I am confident enough in mine that I don't feel the need to "practice".

Anyway, it's cool you do what you do as I assume it's working for you, I'll keep doing what I do because I know it works for me.

I'm not here to see who's right or wrong as people are different. Just here to offer help and tips to those who seek it.

[UgSlayer]

To clarify, I didn't mean it as an insult. At least you're taking steps to improving yourself. I've been in this game for a long time (around 6 or 7 years), so I've been there too. Nothing wrong with practice. You seem like a driven guy, so good luck to you in everything you do.

[Juan Antonio]

I used to be a proponent of calling over texting. Now I realize that texting is a huge tool in the player's arsenal.

Texting allows me to mass text all the numbers I collect. Texting allows me to control the tempo of the interaction. I can artfully craft my responses and respond at my leisure. I can guage her interest level by how she responds. It's low investment.

In my experience, most girls <25 are simply lousy at phone conversations, particularly with guys they barely know. Remember, this is the tail end of Gen Y we're dealing with here. These girls grew up with their faces stuck in front of a screen. These aren't the stereotypical teen girls of the 80s and 90s who'll yack their heads off on the phone!

Moreover, every time you call and she doesn't pick up, you lose value. Worse, you risk looking socially uncalibrated/weird/creepy/awkward. This generation of girls <25 is extremely sensitive to violations of social norms. They want to avoid awkwardness at all costs.

However, if you made a strong enough initial impression during your initial interation, whether you call her or txt her won't make a difference. You're unlikely to get a girl out by BSing over the phone. Worse, you may even torpedo your prospects by saying something stupid, awkward silences etc. So focus on your in-person game. Use texting for pings, to warm her up, and to set up dates. Don't bother with phone calls until you've banged her.

 

[WestCoast]

This logic would validate having a Facebook account. "you must be weird you don't have one"... Etc.

The goal is to reach a point where you're so smooth on the phone a "fuck up" won't happen or as Sam said earlier. He doesn't even trip when he calls because he knows she will pick up or text back immediately.

Your post is validating that text is a lazy mans game. Text makes it easier for you. Maybe I am old school but then again I am in my 20's and I only go for girls who are 19-24 range.

I am going to ask the same question that no one wants to answer.

What skill do you gain/learn by texting?

The answer is nothing.

Again no where in any of these posts am I saying it does not work or it is not effective. The deep question is what do you gain.

(07-06-2012 10:09 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

I used to be a proponent of calling over texting. Now I realize that texting is a huge tool in the player's arsenal.

Texting allows me to mass text all the numbers I collect. Texting allows me to control the tempo of the interaction. I can artfully craft my responses and respond at my leisure. I can guage her interest level by how she responds. It's low investment.

In my experience, most girls <25 are simply lousy at phone conversations, particularly with guys they barely know. Remember, this is the tail end of Gen Y we're dealing with here. These girls grew up with their faces stuck in front of a screen. These aren't the stereotypical teen girls of the 80s and 90s who'll yack their heads off on the phone!

Moreover, every time you call and she doesn't pick up, you lose value. Worse, you risk looking socially uncalibrated/weird/creepy/awkward. This generation of girls <25 is extremely sensitive to violations of social norms. They want to avoid awkwardness at all costs.

However, if you made a strong enough initial impression during your initial interation, whether you call her or txt her won't make a difference. You're unlikely to get a girl out by BSing over the phone. Worse, you may even torpedo your prospects by saying something stupid, awkward silences etc. So focus on your in-person game. Use texting for pings, to warm her up, and to set up dates. Don't bother with phone calls until you've banged her.

 

[Juan Antonio]

Texting lets me lay more girls with less investment. It's efficiency.

[WestCoast]

You're validating my point again, it's "lazy" yes you will get more slays with a last second blast text at the club for a SNL. Or a one night stand. It is "quicker"... Again my question is "deep level game".

How are you improving as a person by relying on a gadget?

Texting is like a take home exam, calling is like a pop quiz. May as well improve faster.

If this is just about hey does texting work faster? Then of course, but it's a waste of time what I mean by a waste of time is its not making me any better with women/selling/getting ahead.

Finally, glad people see now even the 18-20 range does pick up if you call.

(07-06-2012 10:38 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Texting lets me lay more girls with less investment. It's efficiency.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-06-2012 10:09 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

I used to be a proponent of calling over texting. Now I realize that texting is a huge tool in the player's arsenal.

Texting allows me to mass text all the numbers I collect. Texting allows me to control the tempo of the interaction. I can artfully craft my responses and respond at my leisure. I can guage her interest level by how she responds. It's low investment.

In my experience, most girls <25 are simply lousy at phone conversations, particularly with guys they barely know. Remember, this is the tail end of Gen Y we're dealing with here. These girls grew up with their faces stuck in front of a screen. These aren't the stereotypical teen girls of the 80s and 90s who'll yack their heads off on the phone!

Moreover, every time you call and she doesn't pick up, you lose value. Worse, you risk looking socially uncalibrated/weird/creepy/awkward. This generation of girls <25 is extremely sensitive to violations of social norms. They want to avoid awkwardness at all costs.

However, if you made a strong enough initial impression during your initial interation, whether you call her or txt her won't make a difference. You're unlikely to get a girl out by BSing over the phone. Worse, you may even torpedo your prospects by saying something stupid, awkward silences etc. So focus on your in-person game. Use texting for pings, to warm her up, and to set up dates. Don't bother with phone calls until you've banged her.

 

This whole type of thinking is awkward.

[Giovonny]

I ask girls if they like to call or text. The answers vary. I think most people would rather text because its just more convenient and there is less pressure. I have had some great relationships with cool chicks who preferred texting. On the other hand, I have had a few girls tell me that they like it when a guy calls because it shows more balls and confidence. Everyone is different.

Obviously, we need to be able to do both. But, in terms of developing your game, I think calling a girl and talking to her develops your game faster, there is more pressure, you have to be more quick witted, you don't get 5 minutes to think about your answer, you are forced to be spontaneous. Because of this, calling/talking is a better exercise for improving your game and inner game.

When I call its not always because I think the girl will like talking, its because I want to call. I want to express myself over the phone and test my verbal skills. I am doing what I feel like doing and I am not so much concerned with what she wants. Even if she says she doesn't like talking, all you gotta do is make her laugh or make her feel comfortable and the conversation could be great. You could be the only guy who gets her comfortable over the phone, while everyone else is texting her because they think that's what she wants. I like to be a little different from the crowd.

Honestly, I always go back and forth between calling and texting. It just depends on my mood and my last interaction with the girl. Right now I am calling because I don't give a fuck what these girls want, they are gonna see that I am different from the other guys they have met and if they like it fine and if they don't like it, fuck'um.

(Unless they tell me they can't talk right now and to text them, in which case I will begin texting immediately)

whatever!

[WestCoast]

(07-06-2012 11:40 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I ask girls if they like to call or text. The answers vary. I think most people would rather text because its just more convenient and there is less pressure. I have had some great relationships with cool chicks who preferred texting. On the other hand, I have had a few girls tell me that they like it when a guy calls because it shows more balls and confidence. Everyone is different.

Obviously, we need to be able to do both. But, in terms of developing your game, I think calling a girl and talking to her develops your game faster, there is more pressure, you have to be more quick witted, you don't get 5 minutes to think about your answer, you are forced to be spontaneous. Because of this, calling/talking is a better exercise for improving your game and inner game.

When I call its not always because I think the girl will like talking, its because I want to call. I want to express myself over the phone and test my verbal skills. I am doing what I feel like doing and I am not so much concerned with what she wants. Even if she says she doesn't like talking, all you gotta do is make her laugh or make her feel comfortable and the conversation could be great. You could be the only guy who gets her comfortable over the phone, while everyone else is texting her because they think that's what she wants. I like to be a little different from the crowd.

Honestly, I always go back and forth between calling and texting. It just depends on my mood and my last interaction with the girl. Right now I am calling because I don't give a fuck what these girls want, they are gonna see that I am different from the other guys they have met and if they like it fine and if they don't like it, fuck'um.

(Unless they tell me they can't talk right now and to text them, in which case I will begin texting immediately)

whatever!

Bolded should explain. You will know because when you call, even if it goes to voice mail she will call or text back with...

"OMG is that youuu?! "

[Giovonny]

I like leaving strong voicemails also.

If I call and then just hang up without leaving a message, I feel like a pussy.

If I get her voicemail, I just leave a short and strong message. I like to use some humor and of course display zero neediness. It has taking me some time to get really comfortable leaving messages but I like doing it because I know very few guys are doing it anymore.

[UgSlayer]

I dont even check my voicemails. I assumed most people don't. I just call or txt back if I miss a call. If you have a strong initial interaction, it doesn't matter if you txt or call. Most likely she'll reply back and want to meet with you either way. If you can't make a connection it doesn't matter how awesome your vmail message was or whether you call or how funny your text was or how non-needy you seem. She won't make an effort to reconnect. I wouldn't.

It's all about what you do in person...I believe Gman called it "the front end"

[WestCoast]

(07-06-2012 12:11 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

It's all about what you do in person...I believe Gman called it "the front end"

Exactly! This is what calling does if she picks up the phone you are practicing more interactive game! If you leave a voicemail she WILL listen and WILL show her friends.

Text will always be more "efficient" but that's a nice way of saying LAZY. Maybe I'm just not done with getting better, some sort of disease.

[Juan Antonio]

Once again, I think some guys here are speculating and theorizing from the way they think things ought to be in their minds. I'm coming from real world experience.

In the past year, my buddies and I have number closed over 100 girls from cold approach. Mostly from the local campus and almost all girls <25.

We've tried calling girls. In the vast majority of cases they never picked up. Some explicitly they said they preferred texting.

We've got many girls out on dates exclusively via text with minimal effort. There's a level of finesse involved with texting, but it can be a potent tool if you know how to use it right.

In almost all cases the initial interaction was 5-10 minutes max (I've been flaked on by girls after instant-dates so I don't bother now.) If your initial interation was strong and if she doesn't have other circumstances in her life that prevent her from meeting you,  she'll be down. Whether you call her or text her won't make a difference.

Furthermore, when you're playing the numbers game managing a dozen girls at a time via phone calls can get tedious and time consuming. This is where texting is an incredible tool. I have an entire text routine that I copy and paste and use on several girls at a time. Some girls will bite, some girls won't. The ones that bite I know are down, and I set up the date quickly. The window of opportunity from these quick closes is 1-2 weeks max, so it's critical to work quickly.

And yes, I want to get my dick wet with as many attractive girls with the least amount of time and money spent as possible. You can call that lazy. I call it practical and efficient.

[WestCoast]

Fair enough. I am definitely talking about thousands of experiments as well. But then again my game is not at all in line with most 20 year olds. I basically take what they do and do the reverse "sniper game" versus "blow up" game.

Blast game is great for random cute girls for a quick thrill.

Sniper game is for nabbing a girl worth my time, has a good job, is good looking, is connected.

Shit the last thing I want to really date is a girl who makes $40K working at a nail salon, that's definitely a pump and dump.

[UgSlayer]

Things i care about:
Does she give me a boner
Is her body tight
Does she have a nice ass
Does she have great tits
Is her face at least passable/cute
Does she kiss well and have DSL
Does she suck dick well
Does she have good hygiene
Is she needy
Will she drive to my house or does she live close enough that driving to hers isn't too much of a hassle
Is she feminine
Is her pussy tight
Is she fun
Is she sweet
Can she cook for me
Does she dress well
Does she bug me when I'm hanging out with my boys
Does she drink/do drugs excessively
Will she fuck with my car/house/friends/go crazy/stalk me if I stop contacting her suddenly(thankfully most don't)
Maybe some other stuff I can't remember

Things i don't care about:
Does she prefer telephone or text
Is she intelligent
Is she paid (unless she wants to buy me things and pay my bills, then I do care about this)
Pretty much everything else

[WestCoast]

I agree with this but add she must have a really good job.

I got promoted half because the girl I was hooking up with was "best buds with the vice president". Use the hot girls to move you up in society if you can, use everything to get ahead.

While it is great to bang xyz hottie from SDSU I would prefer banging the same hottie from Stanford university with a job at Mc Kinsey because now I am a handshake closer to moving up in the world.

For fucking around, yeah, night game and just Go for the hottest ones. For high end get somewhere skills you use your game to get more than just pussy, you get connected.

(07-06-2012 01:38 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

Things i care about:
Does she give me a boner
Is her body tight
Does she have a nice ass
Does she have great tits
Is her face at least passable/cute
Does she kiss well and have DSL
Does she suck dick well
Does she have good hygiene
Is she needy
Will she drive to my house or does she live close enough that driving to hers isn't too much of a hassle
Is she feminine
Is her pussy tight
Is she fun
Is she sweet
Can she cook for me
Does she dress well
Does she bug me when I'm hanging out with my boys
Does she drink/do drugs excessively
Will she fuck with my car/house/friends/go crazy/stalk me if I stop contacting her suddenly(thankfully most don't)
Maybe some other stuff I can't remember

Things i don't care about:
Does she prefer telephone or text
Is she intelligent
Is she paid (unless she wants to buy me things and pay my bills, then I do care about this)
Pretty much everything else

[MikeCF]

I hate the phone.

Have built attraction through text. Use very agro text game to gauge her sexual interest. I'll have girls sending me revealing photos before we meet.

Then again, I'm pretty good with the written word.

Often my text will be mini-erotic, with the girl as one of the characters being dominated.

Maybe it depends on the guy running it.

I'm a dark, dominant, direct guy. Over text that can come off as pretty hot.

[WestCoast]

Yes you have a huge advantage in text because your vocabulary is large. You have a large dictionary to pull from. Your game is military. You attack.

I think I mentioned once your typing is "frightening", but your build/look/tone probably all make sense and are congruent with that style.

My game is happy go lucky, dance, playful, banter. You couldn't make me upset of you tried I always have a smile on my face. This is why dance floor game is pretty much a joke to me.

When I call the girl gets giddy. When you call the girl probably feels dominated.

Whenever I am done dancing with a girl she will say something along the lines of "you make me feel good!"

(07-06-2012 02:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I hate the phone.

Have built attraction through text. Use very agro text game to gauge her sexual interest. I'll have girls sending me revealing photos before we meet.

Then again, I'm pretty good with the written word.

Often my text will be mini-erotic, with the girl as one of the characters being dominated.

Maybe it depends on the guy running it.

I'm a dark, dominant, direct guy. Over text that can come off as pretty hot.

[thegmanifesto]

I figured if this thread continued, we would have guys chiming in about how girls prefer texting.

It is not about what girls prefer.

It is what you prefer.

And what works better.

And what is more efficient.

And anyone that has ever done a business deal or swooped a girl knows that calling is the better method.

[WestCoast]

Bolded is key and what I advocate as well.

Every second of every day is to make more money, get more women and get in bettwr shape.

Caveat this with my views are extremely aggressive because I suffer from HYPER competitive attitude. If getting someone fired helps me get ahead, best be sure I'll do it.

Having sex isn't enough, having sex and a million bucks and in shape... That is livin it up.

(07-06-2012 02:22 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I figured if this thread continued, we would have guys chiming in about how girls prefer texting.

It is not about what girls prefer.

It is what you prefer.

And what works better.

And what is more efficient.

And anyone that has ever done a business deal or swooped a girl knows that calling is the better method.

[MikeCF]

(07-06-2012 02:22 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And anyone that has ever done a business deal or swooped a girl knows that calling is the better method.

You close a deal in person.

Whether you set up a meeting over email or phone in less important.

In fact, the bigger the deal, the less likely you'll set it up over phone. Important people don't like taking calls.

The new thing among successful people in my circle is to not even carry a cell phone. "To de-stress."

Or to carry a smart phone, answer emails, but not to give out the # to anyone but friends or family.

We'll have to disagree.

[thegmanifesto]

Next up:

Twittering girls is better than talking to them in person.

So much more efficient.

[WestCoast]

Very true for your environment.

Important people hate stupid phone calls, yes even I filter calls for dumbass News Reporters/guys from wall street journal.

I'll take the Gio approach again, as I agree with it, if you want to continue your sales pitch skills use the phone. If you're done with it yeah just text.

As you see both mike and ugh slayer enjoy texting BECAUSE they are TIRED of it.

That's awesome, shit if I had $10 million in the bank I would not be fiddlin with a phone call either.

(07-06-2012 02:49 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 02:22 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

And anyone that has ever done a business deal or swooped a girl knows that calling is the better method.

You close a deal in person.

Whether you set up a meeting over email or phone in less important.

In fact, the bigger the deal, the less likely you'll set it up over phone. Important people don't like taking calls.

The new thing among successful people in my circle is to not even carry a cell phone. "To de-stress."

Or to carry a smart phone, answer emails, but not to give out the # to anyone but friends or family.

We'll have to disagree.