[thegmanifesto]

(06-29-2012 07:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Virtually all my bangs are insta-dates or SNL's. (There's no difference between the two, if you think about it)

Interesting.

I would say (if I had to give a percentage) that 70% of my swoops are First Date Swoop Moves.


When I was younger I would say it was about 65-35, same night swoops to First Date Swoops.

[WestCoast]

(06-29-2012 08:02 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 07:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Virtually all my bangs are insta-dates or SNL's. (There's no difference between the two, if you think about it)

Interesting.

I would say (if I had to give a percentage) that 70% of my swoops are First Date Swoop Moves.


When I was younger I would say it was about 65-35, same night swoops to First Date Swoops.

This all makes sense to me, both G and samseau. When you go high end game the girls I would assume are hotter and will less likely sleep around immediately since they want to tie you down. Young guys game, least mine, is all dance, make out, hand down chest sees you're ripped to shreds chat for 20 mins and gtfo

[thegmanifesto]

(06-29-2012 10:36 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 08:02 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(06-29-2012 07:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Virtually all my bangs are insta-dates or SNL's. (There's no difference between the two, if you think about it)

Interesting.

I would say (if I had to give a percentage) that 70% of my swoops are First Date Swoop Moves.


When I was younger I would say it was about 65-35, same night swoops to First Date Swoops.

This all makes sense to me, both G and samseau. When you go high end game the girls I would assume are hotter and will less likely sleep around immediately since they want to tie you down. Young guys game, least mine, is all dance, make out, hand down chest sees you're ripped to shreds chat for 20 mins and gtfo

And from a better social class as well, generally speaking.

[Samseau]

I've seen plenty of "high class" girls who are complete whores. I've seen women who were worth less than 20K per year who were virgins or near virgins.

Westcoast:

Quote:

When you go high end game the girls I would assume are hotter

Yes of course. Dressing in a suit and hitting the right venues will definitely get you hotter pussy, but you'll need:

- The right suit (not some cheap knockoff)
- The lifestyle to back it up (Don't take her back to your studio apartment)
- The right kind of business (to support such a lavish living)


Is the effort for that kind of girl worth it? It'd be nice to have, but it's not something I'd make a goal in life to have. I would grow bored of that life in less than a year.


My game is more minimalistic, whereby I do the bare minimum to get hot enough girls to keep me satisfied.

[WestCoast]

(07-01-2012 11:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I've seen plenty of "high class" girls who are complete whores. I've seen women who were worth less than 20K per year who were virgins or near virgins.

Westcoast:

Quote:

When you go high end game the girls I would assume are hotter

Yes of course. Dressing in a suit and hitting the right venues will definitely get you hotter pussy, but you'll need:

- The right suit (not some cheap knockoff)
- The lifestyle to back it up (Don't take her back to your studio apartment)
- The right kind of business (to support such a lavish living)


Is the effort for that kind of girl worth it? It'd be nice to have, but it's not something I'd make a goal in life to have. I would grow bored of that life in less than a year.


My game is more minimalistic, whereby I do the bare minimum to get hot enough girls to keep me satisfied.

Preaching 2 the choir. I detailed my views on life/high finance in another thread. My "game" is 5-8 range at cheap venues. Then they find out indirectly I am actually very well off for my age. I have hooked up with rich girls before, in fact the #1 place to slay is PRIVATE school college girls. Biggest sluts ever. But the girls are typically too high maintenance long term, but great for once and a while.

Truth is though, if you do make it big, 500k annual, you'd be a fool to be a minimalist.

If you are smart you realize you are not "special" so you save that $$$ when young in case you don't make it big. You have no downside except for having A hard time keeping guy friends but I'll happily lose on a social clique for random girls and $30-40K in the bank every year.

[TennisPlayer]

and if she doesnt pickup and texts you back?

[WestCoast]

(07-02-2012 08:47 AM)TennisPlayer Wrote:  

and if she doesnt pickup and texts you back?

Next.

[Juan Antonio]

It seems like older girls, 27y/o+, appreciate calling, I guess b/c they've grown up with that kind of conditioning, but girls below that age probably aren't going to answer. Then you're on their time if you leave a message... it's a hassle. I wouldn't do it. Maybe if I was on the way to a date or a meet.

I like calling to confirm dates / if I've been talking to a girl for a while.  If I just got her number odds are she wont answer a number she doesn't recognize so I just text.

[Hero]

How many people pick up their phones for numbers they don't recognize? I know I don't. And I don't have voice mail enabled either.

Texting initially is nice to let the girl know it's you.

[Screwston]

I can't believe calling girls is a "throwback move". Time goes by fast. I like to call when I'm not doing shit and just keep it shrot and sweet. Let her get wet from my smooth voice and tell her I need to go. You'll probably be the only guy in her phonebook that does this.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-02-2012 11:54 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

It seems like older girls, 27y/o+, appreciate calling, I guess b/c they've grown up with that kind of conditioning, but girls below that age probably aren't going to answer.

False.

Re-read my original post.

[Juan Antonio]

G, what % of girls under 25 actually answer the phone when you first call them?

[WestCoast]

(07-04-2012 12:54 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

G, what % of girls under 25 actually answer the phone when you first call them?

This was already discussed, doesn't matter. If she picks up you can bang first date of she doesn't you have more work to do when she resorts to text. Now just run "correct" text game, direct.

I call every time. I am mid 20's. I go for 22 and younger.

[Juan Antonio]

Fact is, most people under 25 don't use phone calls except to call the bank or their parents. Phone calls are - apparently - just for old people. So many girls will either think you're weird for calling, or else certainly won't call back instead of text.

(FYI I've worked in the telecommunications industry - this is a pretty universal trend and not one I think is likely to change, so you're going to have to deal with it.)

I imagine 60 years ago lots of people complaining that girls didn't want to write letters any more, just use the newfangled phone, aka an electronic "leash." Older players need to evolve and adapt.

It's not that difficult to ask girls for dates via text anyway. Girls won't think you're "weak" or any less of a man for not calling. It's perfectly normal and socially acceptable these days. Yes you have to ping a few messages back & forth but it's hardly that onerous an ordeal. Get a phone with a QWERTY if you're slow on a touchscreen or 12-digit pad.

Or else send 'em a carrier pigeon with an invitation to meet up tied to its leg.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-05-2012 11:00 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Fact is, most people under 25 don't use phone calls except to call the bank or their parents. Phone calls are - apparently - just for old people. So many girls will either think you're weird for calling, or else certainly won't call back instead of text.

False.

Which city/state are you from?

[WestCoast]

I will answer this with two questions.

What do you have to lose?

And

Why would you want to be with a bitch who thinks talking on the phone is weird?

(07-05-2012 11:00 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Fact is, most people under 25 don't use phone calls except to call the bank or their parents. Phone calls are - apparently - just for old people. So many girls will either think you're weird for calling, or else certainly won't call back instead of text.

(FYI I've worked in the telecommunications industry - this is a pretty universal trend and not one I think is likely to change, so you're going to have to deal with it.)

I imagine 60 years ago lots of people complaining that girls didn't want to write letters any more, just use the newfangled phone, aka an electronic "leash." Older players need to evolve and adapt.

It's not that difficult to ask girls for dates via text anyway. Girls won't think you're "weak" or any less of a man for not calling. It's perfectly normal and socially acceptable these days. Yes you have to ping a few messages back & forth but it's hardly that onerous an ordeal. Get a phone with a QWERTY if you're slow on a touchscreen or 12-digit pad.

Or else send 'em a carrier pigeon with an invitation to meet up tied to its leg.

[UgSlayer]

I'm assuming you're in Mexico. A cultural difference could play a part.

[Screwston]

(07-05-2012 09:46 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

I'm assuming you're in Mexico. A cultural difference could play a part.

Because his name is Juan, he's in Mexico

His profile says he's in the U.S.

[anewtypedude]

(07-05-2012 11:08 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

I will answer this with two questions.

What do you have to lose?

And

Why would you want to be with a bitch who thinks talking on the phone is weird?

(07-05-2012 11:00 AM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

Fact is, most people under 25 don't use phone calls except to call the bank or their parents. Phone calls are - apparently - just for old people. So many girls will either think you're weird for calling, or else certainly won't call back instead of text.

(FYI I've worked in the telecommunications industry - this is a pretty universal trend and not one I think is likely to change, so you're going to have to deal with it.)

I imagine 60 years ago lots of people complaining that girls didn't want to write letters any more, just use the newfangled phone, aka an electronic "leash." Older players need to evolve and adapt.

It's not that difficult to ask girls for dates via text anyway. Girls won't think you're "weak" or any less of a man for not calling. It's perfectly normal and socially acceptable these days. Yes you have to ping a few messages back & forth but it's hardly that onerous an ordeal. Get a phone with a QWERTY if you're slow on a touchscreen or 12-digit pad.

Or else send 'em a carrier pigeon with an invitation to meet up tied to its leg.

If the majority of young girls think talking on the phone is weird, then you are just cockblocking yourself. I had a girl literally told me: "um...um...can you text me instead?" when I tried calling. I had another girl told me: "where I am from, we only text". I am able to set up dates with girls using text just fine, so why cockblock myself? Does calling miraculously increase my chance of banging her? If not, why risk it?

[UgSlayer]

(07-06-2012 12:06 AM)houston Wrote:  

(07-05-2012 09:46 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

I'm assuming you're in Mexico. A cultural difference could play a part.

Because his name is Juan, he's in Mexico

His profile says he's in the U.S.

Who is Juan? I was talking to Gmeng. Also, calling 28 young is pushing it a bit.


My experience tells me the path of least resistance is texting first. I also prefer texting because it is more efficient and less time consuming. You can mass text a dozen chicks at the same time in under 20 seconds, but you can't call 12 girls at the same time to meet up. I only talk on the phone socially with people I already know well and like and deserve my time (family, best friends). Why does some chick I met at the bar, bookstore, etc deserve to have even 5 minutes of my time when I don't even know if she's an interesting person to talk to? I'll dial her number if the situation absolutely calls for it, but I won't go out of my way. Again, different strokes.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-06-2012 02:10 AM)anewtypedude Wrote:  

If the majority of young girls think talking on the phone is weird, then you are just cockblocking yourself. I had a girl literally told me: "um...um...can you text me instead?" when I tried calling. I had another girl told me: "where I am from, we only text". I am able to set up dates with girls using text just fine, so why cockblock myself? Does calling miraculously increase my chance of banging her? If not, why risk it?

Risk what?

Quote:

"where I am from, we only text"

Where do you live?

(07-06-2012 06:15 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

Who is Juan? I was talking to Gmeng. Also, calling 28 young is pushing it a bit.

Is 22 young?

Quote:

Why does some chick I met at the bar, bookstore, etc deserve to have even 5 minutes of my time when I don't even know if she's an interesting person to talk to?

Um, you met her right?

Or are you dialing random numbers?

[UgSlayer]

22? yea it is, obviously. if you're in mexico you should drop a data sheet while you're on the ground there.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-06-2012 08:06 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

22? yea it is, obviously. if you're in mexico you should drop a data sheet while you're on the ground there.

Of course holmes.

I drop Data Sheets non-stop.

Thought I wouldn't?

[WestCoast]

(07-06-2012 08:06 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

22? yea it is, obviously. if you're in mexico you should drop a data sheet while you're on the ground there.

Again I agree with G.

What risk? If she says you're weird the game you spit was soft. If she says you're weird she is not worth your time because I have never been on a text date in my life. If she says anything to complain about talking on the phone she is trying to in the conversation. SHE SHOUlD APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR NOT PICKING UP. That or at least be EXCITED you called.

CORE GAME CONCEPT- Use "game" to make you better at talking, this helps "game", interviews, dates, social circles... Again I h e never seen a date/interview go down via "text messages".

If she is really too busy that's fine you just run logistics.

Otherwise text is just to waste time when shit is slow and you're bored so you talk to peeps.

[UgSlayer]

(07-06-2012 08:16 AM)WestCoast Wrote:  

(07-06-2012 08:06 AM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

22? yea it is, obviously. if you're in mexico you should drop a data sheet while you're on the ground there.

Again I agree with G.

What risk? If she says you're weird the game you spit was soft. If she says you're weird she is not worth your time because I have never been on a text date in my life. If she says anything to complain about talking on the phone she is trying to in the conversation. SHE SHOUlD APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR NOT PICKING UP. That or at least be EXCITED you called.

CORE GAME CONCEPT- Use "game" to make you better at talking, this helps "game", interviews, dates, social circles... Again I h e never seen a date/interview go down via "text messages".

If she is really too busy that's fine you just run logistics.

Otherwise text is just to waste time when shit is slow and you're bored so you talk to peeps.

Please read my first post more carefully. It's not about risk it's about time and effort. Obviously she's excited that I would call, but the question is would I be excited to talk to her on the phone? I prefer seeing a girl in person than talking on the phone. To me talking on the phone is wasted time because face to face interaction is the best way of getting her to take her clothes off. You can't physically escalate on the phone. Rapid, fast-paced physical escalation is a major component of my game. I'd much rather see a girl in person so I can escalate and enjoy her physical presence. I don't even like talking on the phone with my family and best friends half the time. If it's one of my boys that I haven't spoken to in a long ass time, of course. I'll spend half an hour on the phone to bullshit and catch up, but I'm just not a phone person. I'd much rather meet up with them in person and hang out.

Phone, texting, email, facebook, etc. to me are not tools to get a chick wet. They are tools to set up a meeting so I can drop her panties in person.

But my style is my style. Yours may be different and I'm cool with that.