[Perseus]

(06-05-2012 04:07 PM)haywire Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 09:44 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Look, when it comes to online dating, LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

Unless you have personal experience or a few concurring guys to back that up, please do not make such false claims.

It's true that a male model will get mad attention on a dating site, or perhaps wherever he goes for that matter, you can't discount the role played by a well written profile and interesting openers for guys with average looks/height. Search around the online dating forums for more info.

I've experimented with this myself actually, and used a male model pic (just ONE!), wrote virtually 3 sentences that are vague as hell, and guess what? that profile got 20 views/day, 3-4 messages minimum/day.

So NO, i'm not making any false claims. However granted that there are some guys out there with a talent for writing that they can pretty much grab anyone's attention with words, but lets face it, these guys are rare.

[tjames]

I regret starting this thread.

[jerome]

(06-02-2012 01:42 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I'm going to go against the grain here, I know this is a "game forum", game is the holy grail for a lot of guys here, but.... I think looks trump game.

Not to say that game doesn't matter, it obviously does, and I would go as far as to say that it's necessary for the *average* guy to get laid in the U.S. and most of the western world. However, I think one of the greatest myths of the PUA industry is that *looks don't matter*!

You are a game denailist...you are in the wrong forum...you should leave this forum...there is a forum for you...Its call Aaron Sleazy...he believes in looks matters more than game....

[Deluge]

I'm being to repeat what I said before. Yes, good looks will help, so improve what you can: Dress better, work out, grow some nice facial hair, fix your body language/posture. The key is that while you're improving all these things, that you stop giving a fuck about how you look. Screw it, just become narcissistic, when I look in the mirror I actually see myself as having a the face of a movie star or male model. In my mind I am sexy as fuck and you all should see yourselves this way too. This isn't just a veneer masking some deeper insecurity, it is a core belief and you can bet your bottom dollar this core mindset has a positive impact on my confidence and charisma.

Either truly love how you look, or don't give a single flying fuck. If you have any negative perceptions about yourself and looks, the insecurities will hurt your game and it's the same with money/race/height.

[All or Nothing]

(06-06-2012 03:13 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

I'm being to repeat what I said before. Yes, good looks will help, so improve what you can: Dress better, work out, grow some nice facial hair, fix your body language/posture. The key is that while you're improving all these things, that you stop giving a fuck about how you look. Screw it, just become narcissistic, when I look in the mirror I actually see myself as having a the face of a movie star or male model. In my mind I am sexy as fuck and you all should see yourselves this way too. This isn't just a veneer masking some deeper insecurity, it is a core belief and you can bet your bottom dollar this core mindset has a positive impact on my confidence and charisma.

Either truly love how you look, or don't give a single flying fuck. If you have any negative perceptions about yourself and looks, the insecurities will hurt your game and it's the same with money/race/height.

That isn't possible. You can't go the gym 5-6 times a week, eat super clean, and pay for a couple of supplements, and not care. Doing all of that means that you care A LOT about your health and how your body looks. You cannot do both. You have to make a choice, and when given the choice, I choose to care.

I'll share a little something with you. I am about 30-40 pounds overweight. I am 6'1", 205 pounds and most of that weight ain't muscle. I feel insecure about being a chubby motherfucker, but instead of complaining or Not Giving A Fuck ™, I am going to actively do something about it. I just started the LeanGains approach to dieting, and from my calculations, I'm eating around 2200 calories a day. I am also hitting up the gym 5-6 times a week now. I wouldn't do all of this if I didn't give a fuck. I do this because I legitimately care about how I look, and about my health (mostly looks).

When it comes to things you cannot change (face, height), you have to just learn acceptance. At the end of the day, there is nothing you can do about it. I say acceptance instead of Not Giving A Fuck because acceptance comes from security while NGAF is just a poor attempt at covering up deep insecurities.

See, the not giving a fuck, and loving yourself for who you are sounds all nice and dandy on paper, but it simply does not translate to real life. If you truly want something great in life (body, lifestyle, women), you have to work hard for it, and care a lot. You can't just make it happen inside of your head.

[pikachufanboy]

(06-06-2012 03:57 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 03:13 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

I'm being to repeat what I said before. Yes, good looks will help, so improve what you can: Dress better, work out, grow some nice facial hair, fix your body language/posture. The key is that while you're improving all these things, that you stop giving a fuck about how you look. Screw it, just become narcissistic, when I look in the mirror I actually see myself as having a the face of a movie star or male model. In my mind I am sexy as fuck and you all should see yourselves this way too. This isn't just a veneer masking some deeper insecurity, it is a core belief and you can bet your bottom dollar this core mindset has a positive impact on my confidence and charisma.

Either truly love how you look, or don't give a single flying fuck. If you have any negative perceptions about yourself and looks, the insecurities will hurt your game and it's the same with money/race/height.

That isn't possible. You can't go the gym 5-6 times a week, eat super clean, and pay for a couple of supplements, and not care. Doing all of that means that you care A LOT about your health and how your body looks. You cannot do both. You have to make a choice, and when given the choice, I choose to care.

I'll share a little something with you. I am about 30-40 pounds overweight. I am 6'1", 205 pounds and most of that weight ain't muscle. I feel insecure about being a chubby motherfucker, but instead of complaining or Not Giving A Fuck ™, I am going to actively do something about it. I just started the LeanGains approach to dieting, and from my calculations, I'm eating around 2200 calories a day. I am also hitting up the gym 5-6 times a week now. I wouldn't do all of this if I didn't give a fuck. I do this because I legitimately care about how I look, and about my health (mostly looks).

When it comes to things you cannot change (face, height), you have to just learn acceptance. At the end of the day, there is nothing you can do about it. I say acceptance instead of Not Giving A Fuck because acceptance comes from security while NGAF is just a poor attempt at covering up deep insecurities.

See, the not giving a fuck, and loving yourself for who you are sounds all nice and dandy on paper, but it simply does not translate to real life. If you truly want something great in life (body, lifestyle, women), you have to work hard for it, and care a lot. You can't just make it happen inside of your head.

i'm a competitive runner. very healthy, six pack, but running makes my biceps smaller. i bulk up when i get injured and i look better.

do not care about how my body looks to the extent that i would give up cross country running, something i'm good at, and the large social group associated with it - for the sake of women. having social status and connections is more important anyway.

if you lose bulk, don't wear a tee by itself. put a long sleeve shirt over a tee and it will be hard to accurately gauge how lean you are, particularly if you are broad shouldered and have height on your side.

[Deluge]

(06-06-2012 03:57 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 03:13 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

I'm being to repeat what I said before. Yes, good looks will help, so improve what you can: Dress better, work out, grow some nice facial hair, fix your body language/posture. The key is that while you're improving all these things, that you stop giving a fuck about how you look. Screw it, just become narcissistic, when I look in the mirror I actually see myself as having a the face of a movie star or male model. In my mind I am sexy as fuck and you all should see yourselves this way too. This isn't just a veneer masking some deeper insecurity, it is a core belief and you can bet your bottom dollar this core mindset has a positive impact on my confidence and charisma.

Either truly love how you look, or don't give a single flying fuck. If you have any negative perceptions about yourself and looks, the insecurities will hurt your game and it's the same with money/race/height.

That isn't possible. You can't go the gym 5-6 times a week, eat super clean, and pay for a couple of supplements, and not care. Doing all of that means that you care A LOT about your health and how your body looks. You cannot do both. You have to make a choice, and when given the choice, I choose to care.

I'll share a little something with you. I am about 30-40 pounds overweight. I am 6'1", 205 pounds and most of that weight ain't muscle. I feel insecure about being a chubby motherfucker, but instead of complaining or Not Giving A Fuck ™, I am going to actively do something about it. I just started the LeanGains approach to dieting, and from my calculations, I'm eating around 2200 calories a day. I am also hitting up the gym 5-6 times a week now. I wouldn't do all of this if I didn't give a fuck. I do this because I legitimately care about how I look, and about my health (mostly looks).

When it comes to things you cannot change (face, height), you have to just learn acceptance. At the end of the day, there is nothing you can do about it. I say acceptance instead of Not Giving A Fuck because acceptance comes from security while NGAF is just a poor attempt at covering up deep insecurities.

See, the not giving a fuck, and loving yourself for who you are sounds all nice and dandy on paper, but it simply does not translate to real life. If you truly want something great in life (body, lifestyle, women), you have to work hard for it, and care a lot. You can't just make it happen inside of your head.

You missed the point, read what I said.

1. Improve everything you can.
2. Not give a fuck. ie. rid yourself of any insecurities. And truly don't give a fuck anything that you could rationalize into an insecurity. Big difference, this isn't some mantra you repeat to yourself, it's what you actually believe, it's your reality. Does that make sense?
3. Actually believe you're the sexiest motherfucker even if objectively speaking you don't look like Brad Pitt. This is probably impossible while you're still losing weight, so come back to this point in the future.

What I'm talking about is basically deep, core confidence. The more of it you have, the less and less you care about the looks/height/race/money crap. The next step for me is probably ignoring threads on this topic on RVF when I see them like the senior "elite" level posters on the forum seem to do.

[OGNorCal707]

(06-06-2012 02:36 AM)jerome Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 01:42 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I'm going to go against the grain here, I know this is a "game forum", game is the holy grail for a lot of guys here, but.... I think looks trump game.

Not to say that game doesn't matter, it obviously does, and I would go as far as to say that it's necessary for the *average* guy to get laid in the U.S. and most of the western world. However, I think one of the greatest myths of the PUA industry is that *looks don't matter*!

You are a game denailist...you are in the wrong forum...you should leave this forum...there is a forum for you...Its call Aaron Sleazy...he believes in looks matters more than game....

Okay, you got me, I've been a gaming denialist troll for the past 2 years. I'm going to quit this forum, and check out that Aaron Sleazy guy.

[Giovonny]

Everything matters.

Your looks, your attitude, your effort, your focus, your job, your car, your clothes, your teeth, your smell, your speech, your personalty, your location, etc, etc.

It all matters.

[ThatNorwegianGuy]

Yes, looks certainly matter. However, how you look is far from the only factor that matters, and a good looking guy with little to no game isn't exactly going to get 8s and 9s. Expert-level game can easily compensate for not-so-good-looks.

[Catch 22]

I'd say the main benefit to looks is that it'll get women to approach you or give you IOIs. Good looking guys don't need to show much value. But bad game can easily kill all of that.

[jordypip23]

This is inspirational stuff right there. I can relate a bit. I drank too much beer and basically lived a sedentary lifestyle (not working out at all) for years now, and gained a nasty gut. Now I'm working on burning that crap off and getting my cardio on like none other. I feel a helluva lot better overall too with the new regimen. Gotta combine a healthy calorie deficit with some good cardio. Other types of workouts (lifting) will help as well. Best of luck bro.

(06-06-2012 03:57 AM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 03:13 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

I'm being to repeat what I said before. Yes, good looks will help, so improve what you can: Dress better, work out, grow some nice facial hair, fix your body language/posture. The key is that while you're improving all these things, that you stop giving a fuck about how you look. Screw it, just become narcissistic, when I look in the mirror I actually see myself as having a the face of a movie star or male model. In my mind I am sexy as fuck and you all should see yourselves this way too. This isn't just a veneer masking some deeper insecurity, it is a core belief and you can bet your bottom dollar this core mindset has a positive impact on my confidence and charisma.

Either truly love how you look, or don't give a single flying fuck. If you have any negative perceptions about yourself and looks, the insecurities will hurt your game and it's the same with money/race/height.

That isn't possible. You can't go the gym 5-6 times a week, eat super clean, and pay for a couple of supplements, and not care. Doing all of that means that you care A LOT about your health and how your body looks. You cannot do both. You have to make a choice, and when given the choice, I choose to care.

I'll share a little something with you. I am about 30-40 pounds overweight. I am 6'1", 205 pounds and most of that weight ain't muscle. I feel insecure about being a chubby motherfucker, but instead of complaining or Not Giving A Fuck ™, I am going to actively do something about it. I just started the LeanGains approach to dieting, and from my calculations, I'm eating around 2200 calories a day. I am also hitting up the gym 5-6 times a week now. I wouldn't do all of this if I didn't give a fuck. I do this because I legitimately care about how I look, and about my health (mostly looks).

When it comes to things you cannot change (face, height), you have to just learn acceptance. At the end of the day, there is nothing you can do about it. I say acceptance instead of Not Giving A Fuck because acceptance comes from security while NGAF is just a poor attempt at covering up deep insecurities.

See, the not giving a fuck, and loving yourself for who you are sounds all nice and dandy on paper, but it simply does not translate to real life. If you truly want something great in life (body, lifestyle, women), you have to work hard for it, and care a lot. You can't just make it happen inside of your head.