[tjames]

Obviously being tall, good looking and having good style are all bonuses not saying that it's not BUT...

I was out the other day and I saw this guy with a girl who was gorgeous. Definite 8 for sure. She was very tall, wore high heels, and had on nice makeup. Really looked after her appearance. She looked pretty fit too. Late twenties looked like.

The guy she was with was below average height, leaning towards chubby, was covered in body hair, balding and wore old jeans and wore a white wife-beater. While he was older than her there was no way he was old enough to be her dad unless he knocked her mom up when he was 12. I don't think the guy had any money at all from his wardrobe and this happened at the mall where all the wannabe white gangstas hang out.

Seems impossible. Maybe he has a dick the size of a power pole or something?

[Paul Wanka]

Despite the oft-repeated PUA mantra of hotties with ugly dudes, I seldom see this in the US or Canada (unless there is a huge status differential / guy is wealthy).

Did the wife look "foreign"? I'm thinking mail-order bride.

[Cincinnatus]

Dude probably had airtight game and the ability to dick a girl good.

Looks matter, but not as much as most guys think. You're not at a serious disadvantage in the looks department unless you're horridly obese or obvious deformities.

It's been said here before, and I'll say it again: GAME IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER.

[haywire]

Good Lord. Not again.

[kosko]

(06-02-2012 12:40 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

Dude probably had airtight game and the ability to dick a girl good.

Looks matter, but not as much as most guys think. You're not at a serious disadvantage in the looks department unless you're horridly obese or obvious deformities.

It's been said here before, and I'll say it again: GAME IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER.

This.

Looks do matter but women don't take it into account as much as men. For Women looks can make up for other traits a dude can have lacking (this is how I scraped out bangs when I had zero game... I was easy on a mirror). If you offer a female Security, Status, and Sex she will over-look other shit.

No man is truly ugly to a female. Like above unless your fat or have some fucked up thing on your face women really don't care. Stuff like style and game can work wonders.

I see some ugly ass brothers swoop some fine tail. Why? because they got thier game, swag, and lifestyle on point women look and want those things over a man with looks. My one homie is a grizzly bear (we call him black bear or big bear) dude is ugly as shit and he knows it...but... he does not care. He is confident as shit and takes care of his body and appearance. Dude pulls consistent fine tail and locked down a preety Ugandan chic full-time. Confidence is so key.. if you don't think your ugly.. whom else will?

Only YOU can think your ugly. Women ain't seeing it... really they ain't seeing shit to be honest... Women are so oblivious to their surroundings. So unless you look like a troll, who's not not style, no vibe, and no swag... she won't notice. If your sharp and have your game on point and enter into her world to pull her in to yours she will think your the flyest shit since sliced bread.

Just ask Seal:

He went from this (Heidi Klum age: 39):



Dropped her then upgraded to a younger hotter version (Delta Goodrem age: 27):





Game >> Looks.

[TheNatural]

Game> Cash> Looks....If you are blessed to have all three you have the 'Pussy Trifecta'

[nicolas]

Cmon. Don't say game >> Looks and then bring up Seal. You do realize that Seal has real high status. Bad comparison. Show me a Seal lookalike who isn't famous with a woman comparable to Heidi Klum, then make the game >> Looks comparison. You should correct it as status >> Money >> game >> Looks

[modernaire]

(06-02-2012 01:27 PM)TheNatural Wrote:  

Game> Cash> Looks....If you are blessed to have all three you fave the 'Pussy Trifecta'

The only way for a male to be truly alpha in my opinion. If a guy is "low game looking", he can never be truly high-game.

The truth is, the PUA community knows there's lots of nerds/not very attractive guys reading their material, and they simply have to pander to them by telling them anyone can get hot women, doesn't matter how fat or nerd-looking.

It's simple pandering, important part of the sales process.

A lot of times when you see these "what the f*ck" cases...or "how did he get her", you know the guy doesn't really have her the way a good-looking guy could. In other words...She isn't crazy about him and isn't gonna lose much sleep at night if he leaves (unless they were high-school sweethearts or something, then maybe). When you see a guy who is across-the-board impressive, the chance he really has her wrapped around his finger goes up astronomically.

I don't think using celebrities is a good example as well.

[OGNorCal707]

I'm going to go against the grain here, I know this is a "game forum", game is the holy grail for a lot of guys here, but.... I think looks trump game.

Not to say that game doesn't matter, it obviously does, and I would go as far as to say that it's necessary for the *average* guy to get laid in the U.S. and most of the western world. However, I think one of the greatest myths of the PUA industry is that *looks don't matter*! That's why you get bootcamps full of short, pudgy, balding, poorly dressed, unattractive men, that think if they take a weekend seminar with RSD or Lovesystems, they will be given the keys to the kingdom, and gain the "secret knowledge" that will help them obtain women.

From what I can see women are almost as superficial as men these days when it comes to looks, (almost is the key word), men obviously put more stock into women's looks then they put into mens'. Women's superficialities extend beyond looks to encompass, status, material things, and wealth.

But, how many tall, handsome, built men do you know who have trouble getting laid?

Seriously, every guy I know that is tall, handsome, and in good shape, gets laid with no problem. More often then not they have mediocre game, that a guy with substantially less looks then them, would not be getting laid with.

My really good looking friends, basically just post up and girls find excuses to enter their orbit, "accidentally", or outright approach THEM. Even if they don't approach them, they basically get eye raped by women, giving them the clear green light to approach.

Guy's that have everything going for them in the looks dept, know that they are attractive, and therefore based on that, and their past successes with women, have a certain level of confidence, that is based on something tangible, that a lesser looking guy cannot replicate.

How many tall, handsome guys do you know, that are bumbling idiots that have zero self confidence, and don't know how to talk to a woman, let alone escalate with them?

I'm sure they exist, but they are few and far between.

Women nowadays, are all trying to "trade up", haven't we all heard of "hypergamy"? I've overheard and had women straight up tell me in mixed company, that when they enter a bar, they scan the crowd to see who the tallest, buffest, and most attractive guys are. Sound familiar? That's basically what us guys do when we enter a bar.

Sure game is necessary, but if you want to date women that are above you in looks, then pure game won't cut it. Or maybe it will cut it in the short term, but if you want to see a girl on more the just a SNL basis, eventually her mind will wander towards guys that are taller, more handsome, fit, successful, etc.

Why do you think the whole pick up industry and game culture, has move towards lifestyle recently? Because having good game isn't an end in and of itself, it's a piece of the puzzle, in addition to game, a lot of guys need to work on their "look", get their grooming handled, upgrade their wardrobe, dress well, hit the gym, and put on some muscles.

At the end of the day I can say confidently, that a guy women would rank an 8 out of 10 in looks (with mediocre game), will out pull a guy who is a 6 out of 10 (with great game), assuming that both guys put in the same amount of effort to make the initial approaches on women.

Guys that claim that looks don't matter, are either in denial, are already good looking, or have an agenda and make a living off selling guys game advice.

[slubu]

^^ Is the very eloquent and detailed answer to the thread's question, which is "yes."

[Timoteo]

This is what I think is interesting about the matter of looks. Everytime someone raises the question of whether or not looks matter, or advocates for men to strengthen game, the automatic assumption is made that they're somehow saying looks don't matter. I don't see where anyone ever said that. It defies common sense to attempt to make that argument. Of course people want what is attractive to them - that's human nature. The problem with this discussion is that belief that it's either/or. I understand how it's easier to deal in absolutes, but there are no absolutes in this scenario.

When Roosh did a post about confidence on the blog, the pro-looks/money crowd immediately hijacked the discussion. Nowhere in the post did Roosh state that looks didn't matter. Or money. It's been stated ad nauseum ALL OVER THIS FORUM AND BLOG that these things are gold. But what if you don't have the kind of looks that gets the girls to come to you? Should all of those guys just curl up in a ball and jerk off to porn? Of course not. What game DOES preach is to work on the things you DO have control over. Is your style sloppy? Tighten it up. Do you have a sloppy physique? Tighten THAT up. Are you too shy, or lacking in confidence to talk to and approach women? Get over it, and get in the game. Not everyone can be a genetic lottery winner, but you can, and should try to improve on what you have.

The confidence aspect is about NEVER allowing some chick to think she's out of your range, or somehow superior to you. It's about not being afraid to approach a chick that you want to holler at, whether you're successful or not. Not approaching guarantees that you'll never know if you could have banged her or not. Not looking as tight as possible guarantees you won't either. It may be rare to see a hairy, chubby, bald dude with a dime. We're all scratching our heads about how he could have pulled her. I'll bet his game was tight, and he pulled her because he didn't let her looks intimidate him into thinking he didn't have a shot. If he hadn't stepped up, it wouldn't have happened. Sure, it might be rare, but you'll never know if you can be the guy caught her at the right time, and she decided to overlook the physical for whatever else he brought to the table. Attractive chicks have their own issues, and sometimes if you come at them the right way, they'll think, "Hmmm...he isn't great looking, but..." That's the point of game.

Also, if you're going to present "Beauty and the Beast" examples, you can't use celebs. The rules are different. If you want to site examples of attractive guys that get approached by women, and don't need game, don't use male-model types as examples. This has been settled a long time ago - the wealthy, famous or genetic lottery winners don't need as much game as the rest of us (but trust me, game is ALWAYS a useful weapon, because even those cats can get tooled), but game isn't targeted to the more fortunate. For dudes at the lowest end of the looks scale, there are no guarantees that they'll pull no matter how much weight they lose, or how much they tighten up their wardrobe, or how much game they learn. But they'll still be better off than before they made the changes.

[kosko]

(06-02-2012 01:28 PM)nicolas Wrote:  

Cmon. Don't say game >> Looks and then bring up Seal. You do realize that Seal has real high status. Bad comparison. Show me a Seal lookalike who isn't famous with a woman comparable to Heidi Klum, then make the game >> Looks comparison. You should correct it as status >> Money >> game >> Looks

My homie Black bear and my cousin: The most Alpha Man on earth™.

Seal just has access to a fleet of women you don't due to his status but a man like him can pull 9-10's even if he's at the or on the South shores of France. Its all about how you project yourself.

My cousin [The most Alpha Man on earth™] looks like a animal, he looks sorta of like Seal you could say but more rugged and ape like. He is probably closer to a an animal than a human to be honest and he has pulled Fashion models during Fashion Week in NYC (though he also pulls gutter rats that I would never touch but that comes with being a shrewd animal whom needs sex). The only time he ever admits to slumping with females was when he was stuck in school in ME skinny as shit. He did not feel confident nad his surroundings hampered his ability to project himself as he felt comfortable (freely going after women, leading the pack not by credentials, status, or money, but just by brute alpha-ness). Once he got back to the UK and then NA he was back to his old self.

I am not race baiting but I do feel brothers can not really give a fuck about how they look and go swoop. My white friends be the only ones that wonder "Am I ugly?" I suspect this is because the popular culture figures they have to match up to are mostly white and they may feel a bit of pressure (while brothers can suffer from this to if they feel their race isn't desired.. all bullshit tho I say). But none of my African or Island homies whom look like a gargoyles care (this is similar to big brothers having sharp game and the ability to swoop good talent also). They walk into a spot well dressed with their heads high. That is what women see... we are not females we don't know the drunk goggles they have but from being around to many women in my life I will say again females are obvious. Unless they have children with them they are truly lost not knowing what is around them viabily. My "ex" (she viewed as a LRT... I did not) didn't even notice me until I approached her in a bar - even though we sat beside each other twice and spoke briefly at some school related shit. She did not remeber me at all. But once I gamed her and broke her obviousness and brought her into my zone she couldn't get enough of me.

As a Man I visually remember exactly what she looked like (forgot her name and anything she said) and her face. When I seen her in the bar I pounced. She met me twice and shook my hand prior for fuck sakes and had know idea whom the hell I was until I explained thoroughly the events that surrounded are prior meeting. This is the difference between men and women. Looks and visuals don't matter that much to females... its all in your head.

The aura a man puts out is what they are mostly attracted to. When females put posters of Zac Efron on their wall its not Zac they are wanting. It is the Style, Status, Security, and Sex they wan't from him and fantasize about. I put a poster up of Adriana Lima and I am just focusing about piping her and nutting on her face - no details. Difference again between men and women.

And yes I am coming from the different end because I am good looking and I relied on my looks for most of my teens and early 20's. But looks only get you so far. You can get a ton of leads but I was still getting less ass then my ugly homies whom had sharp game.

I've never fucked fashion week caliber models but my borderline neanderthal cousin has.

My homie Big black can joke about it, my Cousin does not even acknowledge it: "Ugly... I am a man. No man is ugly, only weak or strong. Weak men are ugly."

Any time he gets blown out by bitches he's fucked and tossed whats the first thing they bring up? "He's your cousin? Oh wow... fuck him!.. he's sooo fucking ugly, he looks like a fuking gorilla... what was I thinking...[blahh blahh blahh]" ... nothing of course because you enjoyed every moment with him until you realized you we're no longer his fancy, then suddenly he became a gargoyle you would never touch with a 10 foot pole... right.

Western and NA culture is bastardized. If you go to me realistic places with feminine women looks fall down the ladder.

A dude with game will always trump a dude with just simply looks. If your a Rhodes Scholar, part of a bike gang, All-American Football player and on the Ford-Models male roster then you are just blessed. Its foolish to compare yourself to somebody whom is in the 5% of people world wide.

Game (swag, style, sex ability, confidence, vibe, smart money) >> Looks.

[Timoteo]

Kosko makes the point that the "looks" crowd argues against - that somehow a good-looking guy doesn't NEED game or confidence. Because chicks approach him, he doesn't need to have a strong personality, because he's getting ass without it. But tell me...is he getting laid more than the guy that's working hard and doing tons of approaches? It's arguable, and actually, the answer is probably NO. With game and confidence, the great looking guy would be totally maximizing his potential, instead of relying on chicks to totally decide how much ass he gets. That's really the point. Game is really, at its core, about self-improvement. Being good looking doesn't mean you don't have weaknesses that you can't improve upon.

[nicolas]

Money does trump looks and game. Donald Trump will get more pussy than the guy with the most game (Roosh or Roissy) with a lot less effort. Status and money are #1, but for 98% of guys, they won't achieve that so you have to focus on your looks and game.

[WestIndianArchie]

[nicolas]

(06-02-2012 04:23 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Kosko makes the point that the "looks" crowd argues against - that somehow a good-looking guy doesn't NEED game or confidence. Because chicks approach him, he doesn't need to have a strong personality, because he's getting ass without it. But tell me...is he getting laid more than the guy that's working hard and doing tons of approaches? It's arguable, and actually, the answer is probably NO. With game and confidence, the great looking guy would be totally maximizing his potential, instead of relying on chicks to totally decide how much ass he gets. That's really the point. Game is really, at its core, about self-improvement. Being good looking doesn't mean you don't have weaknesses that you can't improve upon.

I'm not sure the good looking guy cares. He is putting 100x less effort into women and approaching than the guys like us on a game forum who are out approaching women constantly. If you can get a 6 with no effort based on your looks, you would take that over having a 7 who you needed to approach 10 women earlier in the night to warm up with, then spend hours with the 7 having to constantly be on point or risking a blowout.

[kosko]

(06-02-2012 04:23 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Kosko makes the point that the "looks" crowd argues against - that somehow a good-looking guy doesn't NEED game or confidence. Because chicks approach him, he doesn't need to have a strong personality, because he's getting ass without it. But tell me...is he getting laid more than the guy that's working hard and doing tons of approaches? It's arguable, and actually, the answer is probably NO. With game and confidence, the great looking guy would be totally maximizing his potential, instead of relying on chicks to totally decide how much ass he gets. That's really the point. Game is really, at its core, about self-improvement. Being good looking doesn't mean you don't have weaknesses that you can't improve upon.

Exactly. I was forced to learn game because I hit a wall. Being a good looking beta my resources dried up... shit got stale, I got lazy. If I was a wreckless bad ass with no regard I would of managed and been fine but since I was still tryna be a good chum and a decent man also, I floundered. Dudes whom were putting in the work fared way better than me in the long run and now looking back if I would of worked on my game (internally) versus focusing on tryna be a flawless mandroid (physically) to these females I would of been better off.

If you think about it your face is really a small little circle. Look at how many other things a girl has to analyze when she meets you. Far and beyond just superficial shit or looks: your demeanor, vibe, status, etc. When you add all these things up your face really becomes such a small part of it. This is why I echoed my cousins words because its true. Men are the visual creatures so it makes sense a man would worry to much on his looks. But females... naaah son. They are just worrying and obsessing on their looks for you.

"Weak men are ugly, not strong men."

If your worrying to much about your looks then your weak and need to up your game. Confident dudes ain't worrying bout that shit.

Stop being weak.

"Weak men are ugly, not strong men."

A confident strong man with game is never ugly to a female.

Its really self-objective you just thinking your ugly right of the bat is digging yourself a hole. Unless your out of shape or have something that is busted the fuck up. You really can't worry.

To hit this out of the park. What group of people are even more obsessional about their looks and appearance then females? Gay dudes.

No crop of species spends more time worrying about that shit - and they ain't trying to get pussy - since we say females care so much on looks shouldn't Gay dudes look like fat slobs? Since they ain't tryna get kitty why should they care so much what they look like?

Lets flip this now.

How about lesbians? More-so they look like hobbits, few are feminine, sexy and care little about how they look. You'll see a gremlin lesbien walking around with a certified dime piece. Ellen looks like a dog but pulls better ass then the majority of strait men.

To further hammer this in most lesbians try to imitate the look of men by purposely downgrading their looks.... Interesting. If they are playing to the back brain on females in a rotated sense then this makes sense that females by and large do not seek out "looks" as much as men.

Men are the visual creatures. Stop stressing bout your looks and start thinking about how to better your self on all fronts. That's what the ladies are looking for. Improvement of yourself not of your face.

Im done.

[Deluge]

This is what Julien from RSD told me on Thursday. "Looks don't matter, except when you're getting into clubs". We all know that what he said is not entirely true. Looks will help, but with strong game it's almost irrelevant. I know plenty of ugly guys who are very good with women, most likely because they are pure badass and don't give a fuck. At the same time, my ex-wingman is a 6'1 Brazilian with the face of a male model (his body is skinny though). Yet he is absolutely horrible with girls, even though they approach him. Once they get to know him and realize that he's an average beta their pussies get dried up. Yes, this is an outlier but it proves Game>Looks. A guy with strong game will get laid unless he's a disfigured burn victim. I used to day game with a 5'3 chubby guy who would put all the looks and height whiners to shame.

Guys who are "tall, handsome, built men" get laid in large part because they the same Game as "PUA" community guys do. All those factors plus all the experiences they've had because of it makes them confident and "alpha" and they've internalized that there will always be an abundance of women for them. The guys who think looks matter a lot tend to not realize that there isn't much difference between the natural game run by the very good looking and the average looking guy who has mad game. I'm lucky to know a fair few natural guys spanning the full range of attractiveness and they all run the same exact game because they are confident,they simply do not give a fuck and they know that there will always be more pussy out there them. That and they are very sexually aggressive.

The Game vs Looks debate fails to take into consideration that 90% of the very good looking guys we're talking about have BOTH game and looks. Game is the single common denominator among guys who get laid a lot. The only thing that trumps Game is Fame. If the bass player of an innocent virgin girl's favourite band turned up at her door step he could anal her raw on the side of a desolate rural road and film the whole thing with her permission. Now imagine what the Lead Singer could do.

Looks is distant after Game, and Money even further down. Anybody who honestly believes money will get guys laid is delusional. How many well off doctors and lawyers do you know that are horrible with women or have married plain and now fat women? These are the guys who were at the bottom of totem pole in high school. They're not suddenly going to become pimps when they buy their first Mercedes.

To guys who are still hung up about looks. Go the fucking gym. Your face will become more handsome as your body fat drops and more of your jawline comes out. The only thing a man cannot change is Height (unless you use heel lifts, but it's a bad idea to be dependent on them) or Race (keep in mind that young Western women are the least racist and most open minded of any demographic in the world).

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YZHQpvFlBtU/S2...es_086.jpg[/img]

Owen Cook AKA Tyler Durden from RSD and "The Game". 5'7, ranga, ugly and formerly fat. Biggest pimp out there. Look up his hundreds of Youtube videos (and then all the other RSD guys) and watch the guy get more ass than a toilet seat. Then come back and tell me that looks matter a lot.

If you're ugly or short, stop giving a fuck. All these insecurities will bleed through and directly hurt your Game, because bitches can smell your insecurities from a mile away.

[Excelsior]

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

That was...unexpected.

[DonovanVC]

(06-02-2012 03:28 PM)kosko Wrote:  

My cousin [The most Alpha Man on earth™] looks like a animal, he looks sorta of like Seal you could say but more rugged and ape like. He is probably closer to a an animal than a human to be honest and he has pulled Fashion models during Fashion Week in NYC (though he also pulls gutter rats that I would never touch but that comes with being a shrewd animal whom needs sex).

haha man this had LOLing hard, it sounds harsh as hell but I can imagine what you are saying

[Rurik]

to the op, you don't know if the dude had money, or what his background is.

That being said, being in a longterm relationship with a hot girl doesn't necessarily mean the guy has game and can pull that caliber consistently, or even sporadically. Yeah, love does actually happen, and for whatever reason that guy may just fit that girls longterm dude reqs.

As for the general "game vs looks" debate, we need to have a clear definition of what "game" is.

If a dude who is a 9 in looks, facially and physique wise, has severe social anxiety, and can't open a conversation, or even maintain one that is started with a woman, then you could say "look game is more important", when a dude who is a 6 that approaches 200 girls and fucks 2 of them gets laid more.

If the guy with great looks just starts talking to girls, and escalates, he's going to have better results.

All things being equal, looks are WAY more important than whatever your idea of "game" is, especially with more attractive women, but in a dude's options in general. Fame/social position/societal status/fishbowl status trumps both.

The problem with most of these debates is there is no such thing as pure "game", it's always mixed in with a bunch of other shit. Working on leveraging your fishbowl status, or simply increasing your status by traveling to the right country, are at least as important as working on the mechanics of game.

The dichotomy is that you can be a male model with zero social skills/anxiety or on the other end a personality dynamo that knows how to seduce and go caveman, but just happens to be a burn victim with major deformities.

I would still say that super hot dude is going to get approached by girls.

[Rurik]

(06-02-2012 11:44 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

This is what Julien from RSD told me on Thursday. "Looks don't matter, except when you're getting into clubs". We all know that what he said is not entirely true. Looks will help, but with strong game it's almost irrelevant. I know plenty of ugly guys who are very good with women, most likely because they are pure badass and don't give a fuck. At the same time, my ex-wingman is a 6'1 Brazilian with the face of a male model (his body is skinny though). Yet he is absolutely horrible with girls, even though they approach him. Once they get to know him and realize that he's an average beta their pussies get dried up. Yes, this is an outlier but it proves Game>Looks. A guy with strong game will get laid unless he's a disfigured burn victim. I used to day game with a 5'3 chubby guy who would put all the looks and height whiners to shame.

Guys who are "tall, handsome, built men" get laid in large part because they the same Game as "PUA" community guys do. All those factors plus all the experiences they've had because of it makes them confident and "alpha" and they've internalized that there will always be an abundance of women for them. The guys who think looks matter a lot tend to not realize that there isn't much difference between the natural game run by the very good looking and the average looking guy who has mad game. I'm lucky to know a fair few natural guys spanning the full range of attractiveness and they all run the same exact game because they are confident,they simply do not give a fuck and they know that there will always be more pussy out there them. That and they are very sexually aggressive.

The Game vs Looks debate fails to take into consideration that 90% of the very good looking guys we're talking about have BOTH game and looks. Game is the single common denominator among guys who get laid a lot. The only thing that trumps Game is Fame. If the bass player of an innocent virgin girl's favourite band turned up at her door step he could anal her raw on the side of a desolate rural road and film the whole thing with her permission. Now imagine what the Lead Singer could do.

Looks is distant after Game, and Money even further down. Anybody who honestly believes money will get guys laid is delusional. How many well off doctors and lawyers do you know that are horrible with women or have married plain and now fat women? These are the guys who were at the bottom of totem pole in high school. They're not suddenly going to become pimps when they buy their first Mercedes.

To guys who are still hung up about looks. Go the fucking gym. Your face will become more handsome as your body fat drops and more of your jawline comes out. The only thing a man cannot change is Height (unless you use heel lifts, but it's a bad idea to be dependent on them) or Race (keep in mind that young Western women are the least racist and most open minded of any demographic in the world).

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YZHQpvFlBtU/S2...es_086.jpg[/img]

Owen Cook AKA Tyler Durden from RSD and "The Game". 5'7, ranga, ugly and formerly fat. Biggest pimp out there. Look up his hundreds of Youtube videos (and then all the other RSD guys) and watch the guy get more ass than a toilet seat. Then come back and tell me that looks matter a lot.

If you're ugly or short, stop giving a fuck. All these insecurities will bleed through and directly hurt your Game, because bitches can smell your insecurities from a mile away.

I'm not convinced of the RSD shtick. Jeffy said he fucked 92 girls in jeffy show....after like 5 or more years of "being in the game 7 days a week". Not impressed.

[Deluge]

(06-03-2012 03:05 AM)Rurik Wrote:  

I'm not convinced of the RSD shtick. Jeffy said he fucked 92 girls in jeffy show....after like 5 or more years of "being in the game 7 days a week". Not impressed.

I saw one recently where he claimed close to 200. I started reading his book today actually. Pretty clear his game sucked total dick for much of his early days when Mystery Method was all the rage. Watch Tyler and Julien's infields on Youtube, you can learn a hell of a lot just observing them.

[nicolas]

(06-02-2012 11:44 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Looks is distant after Game, and Money even further down. Anybody who honestly believes money will get guys laid is delusional. How many well off doctors and lawyers do you know that are horrible with women or have married plain and now fat women? These are the guys who were at the bottom of totem pole in high school. They're not suddenly going to become pimps when they buy their first Mercedes.

To guys who are still hung up about looks. Go the fucking gym. Your face will become more handsome as your body fat drops and more of your jawline comes out. The only thing a man cannot change is Height (unless you use heel lifts, but it's a bad idea to be dependent on them) or Race (keep in mind that young Western women are the least racist and most open minded of any demographic in the world).

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Owen Cook AKA Tyler Durden from RSD and "The Game". 5'7, ranga, ugly and formerly fat. Biggest pimp out there. Look up his hundreds of Youtube videos (and then all the other RSD guys) and watch the guy get more ass than a toilet seat. Then come back and tell me that looks matter a lot.

If you're ugly or short, stop giving a fuck. All these insecurities will bleed through and directly hurt your Game, because bitches can smell your insecurities from a mile away.

It's wrong to say that money is way down on the list compared to game. Please show me any gamers here who are consistently banging 9-10's like some of the millionaires I've seen do. You won't because for 9-10's, game isn't enough to get them. You need a lot more than that. You need status money or top 0.001% looks. This fatfuck rich guy is banging a lot of models simply because he is rich, none of the pure gamers are doing that. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/pi...ml?image=2

Tyler Durden is not the biggest pimp out there. Show me all the good looking girls he has banged? This guy spent 10 years approacing every single day and yet he still can't consistently pick up even 6-7's. Look at Tyler Durden's last GF and tell me she is a girl you would see with a pimp or a guy who has approached 10000+ girls?



I can't respect any of the RSD guys when they say looks don't matter at all, it's all about game. That's why I respect Roosh. He knows his limitations, yet he bangs much better girls than the PUA instructors because he knows you need more than just game to get a hot girl.