[Roosh]

Quote:

If Weekend at Bernie's game is the key for this area what I would ask myself is "do I want this". Doesn't matter how hot the girls are, if I'm seducing a girl who's dead inside then the physical act is not really going to do anything for me.

Typical western thinking.

"I need a connection"
"I need butterflies"
"She wasn't interesting"
"I didn't feel a spark"
"We don't have the same values."

If you think these things then this thread isn't for you.

I admit these conversations are painful, but honestly I prefer it over dealing with american or scandinavian women. I'll take the corpse.

[Vicious]

I was on my droid when I wrote the above post. I blame autocomplement for any odd grammar.

[durangotang]

(04-06-2012 02:37 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

If Weekend at Bernie's game is the key for this area what I would ask myself is "do I want this". Doesn't matter how hot the girls are, if I'm seducing a girl who's dead inside then the physical act is not really going to do anything for me.

Typical western thinking.

"I need a connection"
"I need butterflies"
"She wasn't interesting"
"I didn't feel a spark"
"We don't have the same values."

If you think these things then this thread isn't for you.

I admit these conversations are painful, but honestly I prefer it over dealing with american or scandinavian women. I'll take the corpse.

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[oldnemesis]

One more thing I forgot to add. In our culture it is considered to be extremely rude to interrupt someone who's talking unless you have a really good reason to do so (like excusing yourself to bathroom). And "yeah", "sure", "that's right" is considered interruption. Don't expect it, and don't do that.

[Spartan]

Hmm...I think next date I will talk less and touch more. I've got my Russian to the level where I'm telling jokes and making her laugh..but thats not whats needed.

I feel like I'm one step behind when it comes to escalation.

Its so obvious though..the girls give you this look/vibe etc..and you know what you've got to do (kiss, touch, etc.) Unfortunately, by the time I say "ok, I'll kiss her" its usually too late.


Next time...I'll prepare a little script before my date: 1. introduction, 2. talk and order drinks, 3. touch shoulder, arm, etc. 4. kiss.

I'm not even going to bother looking for IOIs or keeping the convo interesting...just a random comment here or there...and focus on escalating.

[Roosh]

I'm starting to see shades of Brazilian game here.

The guys who know what they're doing touch really soon. They take a while to go for the kiss though.

[Greek kamaki]

I usually talk with Ukrainian girls about trivial issues eg the music they like while in the same time groping them then caressing their thighs or fingering them.The girls do not pay any particular attention to what I am doing with hands they are too absorbed in the conversation.So I use the conversation mostly as a distractor make her think so she forgets the hand on her pussy.Girls seem to comply with that.However I guess if you do not speak Russian you have to skip the conversation entirely or occupy their minds with the effort to point out what you say in English let them do the work.

[oldnemesis]

(04-06-2012 02:37 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

"I need a connection"
"I need butterflies"
"She wasn't interesting"
"I didn't feel a spark"
"We don't have the same values."

The logic behind it is that for locals the connections are not built by talking for an hour in a loud club. They're built by the time spent together, a lot of time. A EE girl who's looking for a hookup is NOT interested to build ANY connection with you because she's afraid she may end up being attached to you. So the more you resemble the cock with feet, the better to her.

And your sparks, butterflies and her being not interesting are not her issues, she simply doesn't care. Neither would care a typical local guy who wants to fuck her. Trust me, he doesn't need any connection, sparks or butterflies.

Green Kamaki said it right regarding the different mindsets. A dude who's giving the vibes like you listed above would get into the "possible future groom" mindset, not a "fucker" mindset. To get into the fucker mindset you better be clear that all you want from her is sex, and you don't give shit about her soul (meaning you won't get attached to her and won't bring her trouble)

[Greek kamaki]

I may touch them from first seconds.I go for kiss close when I say goodbye at the exit of the club.

[Vicious]

[quote='Roosh' pid='190718' dateline='1333741069']

Quote:

Typical western thinking.

"I need a connection"
"I need butterflies"
"She wasn't interesting"
"I didn't feel a spark"
"We don't have the same values."

If you think these things then this thread isn't for you.

I admit these conversations are painful, but honestly I prefer it over dealing with american or scandinavian women. I'll take the corpse.

Not quite my point. I want someone that's good in bed. A corpse by definition is not. Compare this to the general brazilian who brings a lot of fiery moves to the bedroom.

The conversation and connection? Meh. Means to an end.

[Greek kamaki]

(04-06-2012 03:03 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

[quote]Quote:

Typical western thinking.

"I need a connection"
"I need butterflies"
"She wasn't interesting"
"I didn't feel a spark"
"We don't have the same values."

If you think these things then this thread isn't for you.

I admit these conversations are painful, but honestly I prefer it over dealing with american or scandinavian women. I'll take the corpse.

Not quite my point. I want someone that's good in bed. A corpse by definition is not. Compare this to the general brazilian who brings a lot of fiery moves to the bedroom.

The conversation and connection? Meh. Means to an end.

The performance of Ukrainian women in bed is disputed.I would say they are quite enthusiastic in some cases but do not reach the technique level of polish girls(best BJ in Europe).Ukrainian women try to provide a very good experience but can be a bit excessive(resulting in bleeding penis etc).For sure they try harder than Russian women to please in bed.However they lack the Russian women grace and the charm they exercise on men Russian women can be perfect in temrs of behaviour and can make a man falling in love with them something unusual for Ukrainian women.(they lack both the intelligence and the attitude anyway).

[Deb Auchery]

I have had a lot of corpses here, I think a lot of the reason for that is that most of the girls I am seeing here are a maximum of 22 years old, and also this is the conservative part of the country. The worst girl I had was from one of the local kebab shops, absolute starfish, showed no signs of life.

Also most girls here don't even get to cum a lot of the time, if the Ukrainian guy actually manages to ejaculate it will be over with very quickly as he hasn't the stamina to keep it going. The rest of the time he is too drunk to even penetrate the poor girl. I've had many complaints from girls regarding the sexual performance of their men.

Some of the girls are good though, tonight with this one young girl I have been seeing(mentioned her before), we did a bit of role play in which I played a burglar rapist. Was a good laugh, at one point she said "if you're gonna rape me do it properly", real submissive type.

[Greek kamaki]

This is true about women complaining of local guys impotency caused by excessive drinking.I heard similar complains by polish girls.I really believe western Ukraine is one of the few areas a polish guy can shine as a serious fucker(they can handle the alcohol better than Ukrainians).

[el mechanico]

(04-06-2012 04:02 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

This is true about women complaining of local guys impotency caused by excessive drinking.I heard similar complains by polish girls.I really believe western Ukraine is one of the few areas a polish guy can shine as a serious fucker(they can handle the alcohol better than Ukrainians).

How much do they drink? Why cant they handle the booze I thought they were champs no?

[Greek kamaki]

Polish are champions for sure.They can outdrink anyone involving the Irish the English and all ''strong cups'' as we say here.I guess Ukrainian liver is not so much naturally evoluted as the polish one to the desired route although Ukrainians are heavy drinkers as well.

[Vicious]

(04-06-2012 04:06 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

How much do they drink? Why cant they handle the booze I thought they were champs no?

They drink inhuman volumes. Alcoholism is the number one (indirect) cause of death in the Ukraine and Russia and is keeping the average life expectancy quite low for men.

[Roosh]

I molested a girl last night. We were dancing and she kept moving my hands away from her body. I'd pause for 20 seconds then go right back. A couple times I trapped her against the bar so she couldn't move. I think she turned away from my kiss attempt about 10 times.

And then?

She gave in. We went at like monkeys. She was exploring my mouth with her tongue. It was violent yet passionate. Only got a number in the end, but caveman game with a weekend at bernies dusting did well for me last night.

[The Duke]

Nice work Roosh! Expect her to put up more resistance on your first date, however futile it might be.

I've had a similar crazy date-rape-like experience with a Ukrainian girl. This girl is my girlfriend now. Maybe this kind of thing is more common in Ukraine than other places? I personally find this behavior really hot. I wish all girls were like this.

[Blunt]

I'm pipelining for a new city and have internalized Kamaki-style conversation to quickly get a different contact form. It's working okay so far. I've never really tried to pipeline before.

I imagine Balkan power flowing through my veins and I'm sure it is helping.

[Roosh]

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I personally find this behavior really hot.

No Duke, it's not. It's only hot when a girl is interesting and makes obscure jokes that require strong wit. My dick gets hard for snark and social commentary!

[Deb Auchery]

(04-07-2012 08:12 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I molested a girl last night. We were dancing and she kept moving my hands away from her body. I'd pause for 20 seconds then go right back. A couple times I trapped her against the bar so she couldn't move. I think she turned away from my kiss attempt about 10 times.

And then?

She gave in. We went at like monkeys. She was exploring my mouth with her tongue. It was violent yet passionate. Only got a number in the end, but caveman game with a weekend at bernies dusting did well for me last night.

Haha exactly how I get results

I am like an Octopus, my hands are everywhere, she might removes my hand, but then I remolest, this continues for ever, when she says no that actually means yes here more than it does anywhere else.

I have a Mamba date tomorrow, I already know she's a 7, like most of the other girls I screw here. I will escalate quickly with this girl because I do not give a damn what happens with her, I will take her to a local beauty spot in the centre and try and finger her as soon as possible.

I will also use my old trick of telling her I have some English Tea in my apartment.

[Citizen_Boris]

This thread is a great example of how useful this forum can be... I’m quickly realising that because I picked “westernised” couchsurfers on my trip to Kiev, and interacted with very few girls outside this social group, I really haven’t experienced "real" Ukrainian game at all. I think I’d very rapidly run out of ideas if I was placed in these situations...

Oh and respect for the “Weekend at Bernie’s” theory lol...

[Subotai]

(04-07-2012 03:44 PM)Citizen_Boris Wrote:  

This thread is a great example of how useful this forum can be... I’m quickly realising that because I picked “westernised” couchsurfers on my trip to Kiev, and interacted with very few girls outside this social group, I really haven’t experienced "real" Ukrainian game at all. I think I’d very rapidly run out of ideas if I was placed in these situations...

Oh and respect for the “Weekend at Bernie’s” theory lol...

Weekend at Bernie's Game -- that's the funniest thing I heard all week.

Boris, are you picking "westernized" or "western interested" girls? There's a big difference. I found the sweet spot over there to be the "western interested" girls -- the ones between Westernized girls and girls that can't speak a foreign language and no interest in doing so. The westernized girls, well, I'm sure you know what they're like already. As far as the pure Ukrainian girls, I never suffered this badly with weekend at bernie's girls like that's being described here, but I understand it happening easily with the girls that have no interest in foreign countries or foreign people. Only on this forum could I be the romantic of the group --everywhere else I'm known as an asshole to women -- but I actually like it when a girl shows some interest and comes up with some good replies and I found those bernie's girls to be too dull for me. See if you can't find some girl that's never been abroad but wants to go, one that can't speak English well, but wants to learn and improve. Those were always my best bets.

[Subotai]

P.S. I just noticed.. these new number of post rankings are hilarious too... with 23 posts, I'm a male feminist. lol

[Deb Auchery]

Went to the local jailbait pickup joint in my city yesterday with my visiting German friend.

The age range is generally up to about 22, with a few dirty old men like me. It's the muticultural club in Lvov, as it's pretty much the only one that permits Turk/Arab/Black dudes.

The Turkish guys are pretty slimy, wet look gel, bad clothes, just standing around leering and getting nowhere..

I quickly latched on to a girl who's birthday it was, she was 22, but looked 18, pretty drunk. Every guy in the club was hitting on her, but I only I was confident enough to grab hold of her. As soon as my hand were on her beautiful ass, her friend came over and told me that birthday girl was inebriated, I just smiled and ignored her.

She then started cockblocking in earnest, pulling her friend away from me all the time. I eventually got her on one of the couches, I could feel all the horny Turkish eyes on us, I made the usual small talk, she told me her English was very bad, I told her my Ukrainian was worse. As usual I used the old "you can teach me Ukrainian and I will teach you English" line. I then brought her close to me, kissed her on the cheek, and ran my hand up her impossibly slender thigh. I got a boner straight away, then her friend came and snatched her away from my clasp.

I decided to give up on her, and proceeded to hit on another very cute blond girl, who must have been about 18, again my octopus hands got to work, her skin was incredibly soft, and although not quite as pretty as the other, she made me hotter. I could see straight down her shirt, she had small perky breasts with puffy nipples.

I ran out of conversation so made the fatal mistake of asking her if she wanted a drink, of course she wanted a cocktail. But the damage was not too bad at around 3.5 Euros. After she guzzled that down, she said she would be back in 5 minutes. I did not see her again until I was leaving the joint, I kissed her on the lips, trying to get my tongue down her throat, but she refused.

Got both of their phone numbers, will text them today, I don't hold out any hope with either really, but it doesn't matter there is an endless stream of girls like them.

Birthday girl

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4193/skinnybitch.jpg

Cute blonde

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4702/cuteblonde.jpg

Competition

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/9483/...ition2.jpg