[The Fantasist]

(03-17-2012 08:11 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

her: You're not like boys back at home, big strong, very different we are russian.

what the fuck is all this pretty shit, and not big strong??? im 6ft and 175ish ripped, im not a mass monster but im not small by any means, I look a lot tougher and in better shape than most of the guys here...shit test? I just played it off and ignored assuming it was but the harping on it is weird and I have a feeling this shits coming up again tonight...see her in less than a couple hours...any idea what shes getting at with that?

Funny.

I think you may have misinterpreted her comment wrong. She seemed to be saying that you're not like the guys back home because YOU are big and strong not them.

I find when dealing with Russian women that I get far fewer shit tests/comments about personal appearances kind of stuff. Here at home girls will mention my bald head to see if I take the bait or am comfortable in my skin, or when gaming younger Russian girls ( 18-25 age group ) I never get girls mentioning that I'm much older then them. In the UK I do.

Anyway Mikeymike she seems into you so who gives a fuck if she did mean you are not as big as she's used to,you're still going to bang her. Good luck.

[BrownBear]

Vork are you Russian and do you live there?

[The Fantasist]

(03-17-2012 09:40 AM)BrownBear Wrote:  

Vork are you Russian and do you live there?

No mate,English. Lived in Moscow in the past though and try to get over there as often as I can.

[BrownBear]

I'm nearly positive that she's saying you're good looking and in shape unlike the Igors back home who couldn't give a shit about how they present themselves. Oh Vork that's cool, when are you coming back?

[oldnemesis]

(03-17-2012 08:11 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

after the opening, I say why don't we go out for drinks tonight...
her: my friend is here also I cant leave her, she is sitting at the chair
me: well, I wanna get to know you first, why dont we meet up around 930, we'll get some drinks, and we'll call your friend to join us later after we get some time together
her: I dont know you're too pretty my friend says youre too pretty too

She wanted you to invite both of them. There was also a possibility her friend was more interested in you than she was.

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then she txtd me an hour ago, im nervous to go with you what I should wear, dress, shorts, you are too pretty, it is concern to me.

"what kind of place are we going tonight, and what are your plans?"

[mikeymike]

all you guys were right and old nemisis you nailed it...her friend was initally into me more

I got there to pick her up and they were both dressed and waiting, the one I asked out, Elena said something to her friend in Russian and then said okay lets go and I felt bad leaving her dressed friend there so I tried to sound pimp lol went anarchy again, darlin you look too good to be sittin at home like that, come with us. They both lit up but it was such a set up they knew unless I was a dick my hand was forced. Friends name is Natalia. Natalias probably a 7 in the face but deadly body, Elenas got a 8.5 face, body is a little soft and Elenas got a slight bitch face, always looks like shes pissed off about something dont know what thats about. Hit a lounge/bar, got the vibe early that I was there for Natalia, felt like I was being pushed on her but she was so shy it felt awkward till she got tipsy then she opened right up. Her english was awesome and she started getting touchy feely quick, Lena got reinterested after that. Then I had her flirting and wrapping her arms around me. She did not like being the center of attention dont think shes used to Natalia getting the attention. They wanted to hit a club, so I took them to banana since I know theres little room to sit there, yet sure enough they found one of the 3 tables in the place and wanted a bottle. I didnt want to get into a night of picking them up overpriced bottles so I pushed up on Natalia quick and told her that we're getting out of here, we can find more exciting things to do but Lena cockblocked, didnt wanna go home on her own, didnt wanna stay at the club on her own, didn't want to leave yet so we hung out for a bit, she hammered half the bottle of vodka on her own in less than an hour, she was throwing up and just a mess so we had to drag her ass back to their place. Lenas hurling and staring at us from her bed as Nats blowing me but she wouldn't fuck in front of her friend so I got mine and took off, made plans to see them this afternoon and will close that shit tonight, I hope. I either gotta figure out how to get both at the same time or isolate Natalia cuz Lenas just in the way, id like to bang her too tho. The pretty thing didn't come up again thankfully.

[ElJefe]

(03-17-2012 08:11 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

me: Youre not like girls back home for me either, thats a good thing...its just drinks darlin, we'll have some fun( ive been watchin a lot of sons of anarchy lately darlins slipped into my vocab, and for whatever reason the girls respond to it)

I just tried to imagine you with an Indian accent saying "darling", and spat my beer all over my keyboard...

Glad to hear it turned out.

[mikeymike]

(03-18-2012 12:16 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

(03-17-2012 08:11 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

me: Youre not like girls back home for me either, thats a good thing...its just drinks darlin, we'll have some fun( ive been watchin a lot of sons of anarchy lately darlins slipped into my vocab, and for whatever reason the girls respond to it)

I just tried to imagine you with an Indian accent saying "darling", and spat my beer all over my keyboard...

Glad to hear it turned out.

lmao if I was rockin the dipper accent it would be epic to try and pull off but Ive got a west coast cali vibe when I talk or so ive been told so it rolls off naturaly, I have to resist the urge to go too southern red neck on it sometimes lol.

Its still a work in progress, original girl Elena is still cockblocking the shit outta me, cant get her to back off. We met up briefly this afternoon where Nat and I made plans for tonight and E threw a fit, they bickered in Russian so I had no idea what they were saying but Nat got the guilt trip and I got the cockblock, she invited herself along. I said its fine, but she gets home on her own tonight or we drop her off but at some point Im getting you on my own. We got out and same shit as last night, cut us off at every op so I told Nat u got my number, if you want to see me alone, you can call me but im done with Elena and this bullshit, turned and walked... left them at the club. She's left me 3 voicemails and 4 txts since then in the last hr and a half since I left. Just the usual shit, sorry, plz respond, I want to talk to you...I wrote her back gave her the apt addy said if you wanna talk, get a taxi over here...see what happens but this one might be a write off. Nights like this I hate the game...

[Comte De St. Germain]

As a guy from a Russian family who immigrated to the Stares as a kid. What I can tell you is this. They will warm up to you if you are colder than them. Always act cold, distant, and in deep thought. Also NEVER break that composure ever. At most add in a smile or a chuckle here and there. It helps to be stoic with them. Thought I might give in some input even though this thread is dead.

[rastignac]

(02-29-2012 10:17 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I am also white however I have found Russian girls on vaccation a little stuck up(compared to polish) but considerably easier than western girls.(although they lack the liveliness of the latter).

Generally some Russian girls may seem as having low energy.Some seem antisocial by western standards.However this is not the case just slavic culture is different.In one case I saw a Greek guy on the beach trying to pick up a Russian girl he sat next to her and the girl did not respond at all.In his case I would get away he just stayed spoke some bird English and at the end the girl stood up in her tanga and started playing volleyball with him.After a while she left with him and I was surprised.

So in many cases they do not understand what you tell them.

My advise on Russian girls:

1.Learn Russian.Without Russian your chances are greatly reduced.Even if she speaks English her friend will not so you will not even understand what they are talking about in your presence

2.Be ready to buy sth for her ASAP.Russian women are highly interested in material issues.A guy who can offer them vaccations or extension of vaccations for free or some presents is always welcome.

3.Have a knowledge of Russian culture.Read the works of Dostoyevski,Bulgakov,Tolstoj and other popular Russian writers.There is no Russian woman who does not know Bulgakov's Master and Margarita and everyone is fond of it.So you can talk a lot about it.

4.Know about Russian music contemporary groups etc.

5.Inner game:Be a slavophile.You have to like everything slavic.If you are slavophile(you like slavic women,slavic children,slavic art etc) Russian women notice it instantly.Because you show respect.For a Greek it is a natural situation to be slavophile due to blood connections with Slavs like Serbs.Other folks however are taken as enemies.

6.Approacho not get too close.If she is interested she will come close herself.Ask her if she wants to buy sth.Then general questions about Russia.In general body posture should be dominant Balkan.(like I do not chew my balls).Not leaning forward staying at distance.Russian women can be quite submissive so they will come close and lean towards or even bow a bit.Then you move your hands to create space because it is likely that other men will come close to get some benefits.

I usually tell them some things about my opinions about Russia while engaging both of the girls in the group and then escalate quickly meaning I take her hand and start walking with her.Again if a Russian girl is interested she will invite you to some place.They usually pick both the place and the time of the date.

Generally Russians are a nation of winners so Russian women do not make compromises like Ukrainian or polish women.Russian women are uncompromised and always want to win.This is the soviet mentality they can be quite stubborn about that.However they offer top experience because they know how to handle a man they are rather smooth lacking the provincial nature of most polish and ukrainian women(80% of population of Poland lives in villages and small cities while 70% of Russian population lives in big cities,this makes quite a difference in girls behaviour.

This is great advice. All of my success is probably due to the fact I was doing all 6 of these.

[Distant Light]

(01-26-2014 11:09 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

As a guy from a Russian family who immigrated to the Stares as a kid. What I can tell you is this. They will warm up to you if you are colder than them. Always act cold, distant, and in deep thought. Also NEVER break that composure ever. At most add in a smile or a chuckle here and there. It helps to be stoic with them. Thought I might give in some input even though this thread is dead.

We have a winner!!!!

As a dark skin black guy who likes eastern euro chicks (slavic girls, russia/ukranie) I can tell you that what did said is one of the key factors. Being an "Ice Queen" yourself which I was aware of about 5 years ago since I couldn't accept the fact that the RUSSIAN GUYS were with such hotties. If you notice their demeanor they are more "ice queen" than the woman AND then you see the woman trying to entice them but they aren't even fazed.

The other key factors I've noticed in my own personal experience...
- If you are an approval seeker, validation junkie, IOI fiend, or professional calibrator you will simply be in a SHIT SITUATION. Most russians maintain a "ice queen" demeanor BUT so much shit is going on in their head. Just let them mindfuck themselves and be you.

- Be CONGRUENT to how you are especially if you give off that uncontrollable and unpredictable vibe. Eastern euros FAV LINE is "your crazy" which basically means I FUCKING LIKE YOU!!!!!

- CHALLENGING CHALLENGING and o yea CHALLENGING!!! I guess you can say this is the equivalent of being a strong man. I tend to call women out alot and sorta test them. Most women are not used to this ESPECIALLY russian chicks who are used to men thinking "she doesn't like me" due to her ice queen demeanor

Once they realize they can be comfortable you'll start to see more expression BUT thing is to always remain YOU. For instance, an estonian chick I met about a month ago one night I got very drunk and didn't even know I ran into her. She called me the next day apologizing for slapping me and revealing I couldn't even walk, she just simply escorted me out and left me.

WELL, she sorta flaked one night and I ran into her that night. My glasses were foggy so she took them off started cleaning them. I'm just chilling there "poker face" looking around. She starts kissing me on the cheek and holding me as I'm chatting people. She was also apologizing for leaving me that night when I was blackedout. I realized she had realized however I was acting WAS NOT ME AWARE.

P.S...One thing I used to do that NO ONE DOES is go directly in these type of women face and just kiss them. Funny thing is whether they accept or not they have the same "poker face" demeanor haahhaha. I personally love women who have a "poker face".

P.S.S...To give you a visual, this is a rarity to see her "expressive" in such a manner. I have video of us having a hilarious back and forth that you'd NEVER NORMALLY SEE from a woman like this since she's used to being an "ice queen".

[Comte De St. Germain]

(01-28-2014 01:18 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

(01-26-2014 11:09 PM)hwuzhere Wrote:  

As a guy from a Russian family who immigrated to the Stares as a kid. What I can tell you is this. They will warm up to you if you are colder than them. Always act cold, distant, and in deep thought. Also NEVER break that composure ever. At most add in a smile or a chuckle here and there. It helps to be stoic with them. Thought I might give in some input even though this thread is dead.

We have a winner!!!!

As a dark skin black guy who likes eastern euro chicks (slavic girls, russia/ukranie) I can tell you that what did said is one of the key factors. Being an "Ice Queen" yourself which I was aware of about 5 years ago since I couldn't accept the fact that the RUSSIAN GUYS were with such hotties. If you notice their demeanor they are more "ice queen" than the woman AND then you see the woman trying to entice them but they aren't even fazed.

The other key factors I've noticed in my own personal experience...
- If you are an approval seeker, validation junkie, IOI fiend, or professional calibrator you will simply be in a SHIT SITUATION. Most russians maintain a "ice queen" demeanor BUT so much shit is going on in their head. Just let them mindfuck themselves and be you.

- Be CONGRUENT to how you are especially if you give off that uncontrollable and unpredictable vibe. Eastern euros FAV LINE is "your crazy" which basically means I FUCKING LIKE YOU!!!!!

- CHALLENGING CHALLENGING and o yea CHALLENGING!!! I guess you can say this is the equivalent of being a strong man. I tend to call women out alot and sorta test them. Most women are not used to this ESPECIALLY russian chicks who are used to men thinking "she doesn't like me" due to her ice queen demeanor

Once they realize they can be comfortable you'll start to see more expression BUT thing is to always remain YOU. For instance, an estonian chick I met about a month ago one night I got very drunk and didn't even know I ran into her. She called me the next day apologizing for slapping me and revealing I couldn't even walk, she just simply escorted me out and left me.

WELL, she sorta flaked one night and I ran into her that night. My glasses were foggy so she took them off started cleaning them. I'm just chilling there "poker face" looking around. She starts kissing me on the cheek and holding me as I'm chatting people. She was also apologizing for leaving me that night when I was blackedout. I realized she had realized however I was acting WAS NOT ME AWARE.

P.S...One thing I used to do that NO ONE DOES is go directly in these type of women face and just kiss them. Funny thing is whether they accept or not they have the same "poker face" demeanor haahhaha. I personally love women who have a "poker face".

P.S.S...To give you a visual, this is a rarity to see her "expressive" in such a manner. I have video of us having a hilarious back and forth that you'd NEVER NORMALLY SEE from a woman like this since she's used to being an "ice queen".

Damn son well played. Getting past the race barrier is always the hardest part. The fact you did that and got her posing with you/kissing you means you did good. Kudos to you soldier. Ya did good.

[L.A Boy]

Damn i should've joined Roosh V years ago. I know this thread is dead. Am i the only hispanic that has good luck w/ Russian girls. I've had three Russian girls here in L.A. First one back in high school (she was actually my first white girl ever), she was born and raised here in L.A. The second one was born and raised in Moscow. The 3rd one was born in Russia, but raised here in LA. I have always had good luck w/ Russ girls, almost ALWAYS.

I guess your looks and attractiveness level is a factor
Also, you should know the language, but consider that i didnt know Russian back when i dated those three girls. I learned it a couple years after i broke up w/ #3.

Ever since i took the russian course at my college, i've had it even easier w/ Russ girls. i love them to death.

yes some can be cold, but if you act cold like them and call them out on some imperfection in them that you notice and use it to neg them, it will open them up. It has worked for me

[samsamsam]

(04-18-2016 08:38 PM)L.A Boy Wrote:  

Am i the only hispanic that has good luck w/ Russian girls.

After conducting interviews with every Hispanic man in the world, I have determined that yes you are the only one.

[TigerMandingo]

Russian girls have a soft spot for white guys with Mediterranean looks (Italian, Spanish, Greek etc.). Think about it, they live in a country with tons of blond blue-eyed pudgy dudes, they're looking for something different.

Luckily for me, I've always had great success with them due to being dark and speaking native Russian. Roosh's success in EE can also be partly attributed to his dark looks. It's just what they like over there.

[Kid Twist]

for the russian guys here

is there actually a difference, or would you guys even know, between the russian girls who are devoted orthodox girls and the rest?

Basically, is there a delineation between the normal, gold digger types and the ones that come from christian families? Just wondering how those girls see themselves in the situation whether it is Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, etc.

[PragueDude]

I've been with a few and am dating one now. I feel like I constantly have to Game her which I'm thankful for. She's into British dudes and I'm not so she tests me all the time with that shit, and to be real, I've failed them but it doesn't matter because I bring out the freak in her.

That was a mouthful.

[RatInTheWoods]

I love the Russian chicks. They are hard work, and need a strong Alpha game.

But they keep themselves tidy, and really look after you like no western chick will.

Also, they give the best blowjobs ever.

[Brodiaga]

(04-19-2016 10:42 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

for the russian guys here

is there actually a difference, or would you guys even know, between the russian girls who are devoted orthodox girls and the rest?

Basically, is there a delineation between the normal, gold digger types and the ones that come from christian families? Just wondering how those girls see themselves in the situation whether it is Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, etc.

I'm not an expert on Russian girls. There are many guys on this forum who slept with a lot more Russian girls than I did.

However, I wouldn't use religion as a sign of honesty or loyalty when it comes to Russian girls or any girls for that matter.

I've seen golddiggers and whores who claim to be religious and go to church. I've also seen normal, honest girls who are not religious.

My sample size is not large enough to draw conclusions, but I wouldn't trust any girl just because she claims to be religious.

[L.A Boy]

(04-18-2016 09:04 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  

(04-18-2016 08:38 PM)L.A Boy Wrote:  

Am i the only hispanic that has good luck w/ Russian girls.

After conducting interviews with every Hispanic man in the world, I have determined that yes you are the only one.

Whahaha... well, it's settled then...send me my prize please (preferably cash-prize), SamSam...lol

[Vinny]

(04-18-2016 09:07 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Russian girls have a soft spot for white guys with Mediterranean looks (Italian, Spanish, Greek etc.). Think about it, they live in a country with tons of blond blue-eyed pudgy dudes, they're looking for something different.

Luckily for me, I've always had great success with them due to being dark and speaking native Russian. Roosh's success in EE can also be partly attributed to his dark looks. It's just what they like over there.

If you are Latin or Hispanic, avoid sun tan. You might just look Caucasian and it will be a huuuuge barrier.
For some strange reason 99% of people in Europe think I am Spanish although I am from EE, and before I open my mouth and let the flow of fluent, cultured Russian come out, girls in Russia give me terrified looks.
To be honest I am myself slightly afraid of Caucasians. You never know what to expect of them. Majority of them are professional sportsmen in wrestling, judo and boxing. Once I was taking a tram in Krasnodar, this MMA fighter looking Caucasian guy short but buff was loudly speaking on the phone. Rest of the tram went quiet, saying nothing not to attract his attention. On the next stop he jumped out and started dancing Lezginka.
Alpha? Yes. He gives a fuck about anyone else. Does he get a lot of pussy? I doubt it.

[XXL]

I find this to be quite on point...

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Smiling and flirting can only last so long: at some point there needs to be a more concrete conversation around the topics that have more weight, topics like current events, politics, history, literature, etc.—topics that let you discover the depth of a person’s knowledge, experience, beliefs and convictions.

While not all Russian women are “cold” and “calculating,” all Russian women have this edge in varying degrees. The really bold and ambitious women have more of it. I’ve also met women who are shy and reserved, but when faced with a stressful situation, suddenly exhibited a certain level of determination and intensity. It’s as though they literally metamorphosed into someone extremely decisive, conquered the menacing obstacle and then reverted to their previously warm, loving and caring selves.

Russian seduction is pure, very pure, pure like the finest spring water—perhaps the purest in the world. Pure means the genders are super traditional: super feminine women who are attracted to super masculine men. Another culture that comes to mind when thinking about pure mating rituals is Brazil, where women are amazingly sexy and approachable and men are confident and aggressive. A crude difference between two mating cultures is that Brazilians are friendlier and smile more than Russians.

Russian women love real men—masculine, powerful and ambitious men for two main reasons. First, a powerful and strong men is always preferable to someone who’s ineffective and weak. Everyone biologically gravitates to powerful and strong men. Who wants to be with some weak loser with a pencil neck? When is weakness preferable to strength? A man should be strong, powerful and successful.

Russian women, like any other women, love to flirt and play games, but the flirting and banter never crosses the common sense boundary. Unlike an American or an Americanized woman, a Russian girl will never tease you like one of your male friends, nor would her responses be laden with heavy sarcasm because she doesn’t know how to react when confronted with your bold advances.

All of this translates into a much more direct and quicker game. I can meet a Russian girl and either build chemistry super quick or know right away that we’re just not meant to be. There’s rarely a situation where we fill up the time by talking about empty—and politically correct—topics like the weather or politics (if you find yourself having mindless conversation as a way to fill up awkward silences with a Russian woman, you can be pretty sure that she’s not going see you again).

There’s usually instant sexual magnetism simply due to the fact that a man and a woman meet, something that’s very difficult to explain to guys who’ve lived all their lives in Western countries where politically correct communication is the norm not only in public but in private conversations as well. And I experience this polarity not only because I’m from the region and speak the language; foreigners always mention experiencing exactly the same thing.

Russian women respect men who make it clear what they want. They love sincerity and commitment and loath aloofness and ambiguity. They hate dealing with someone who sends them mixed signals. In the West, you’re forced to hide your primal instincts and be indirect because showing interest first might make you appear desperate and needy; in Russia, not showing interest quickly enough makes you appear insecure and indecisive. If she detects that you’re playing games—and she knows perfectly well the difference between flirting games and games that showcase your ineptitude and insecurity—she’ll abruptly stop talking to you and move on to a more promising candidate. Life in Russia is too short for games.

Instead of playing endless games that don’t really lead to anywhere, Russian women respond well to a strong man who shows initiative and control. They love when a man has the raw confidence and determination to get what he wants in life, and, ultimately through his efforts, conquers the woman herself. They love when a man instinctively leads.

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[Kid Twist]

Thanks for the repost. Insightful.