[mikeymike]

(02-29-2012 11:21 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 10:21 AM)Soma Wrote:  

From what I understand now, being young and attractive is a strong barrier I'd have to overcome because the girls may immediately assume you're a player (correctly, in our case ,) or butterfly as its called here in Thailand, and not potential for a serious relationship/buying her stuff all time. If anyone actually has the magic formula for Russian hookups I'd love to know it, but as of now I'm just not going to bother with them anymore; plenty of other fit girls about. I certainly know guys who have hooked up with Russian girls on vacation before, but it always seems more like luck and the stars aligning then any kind of useful systematic strategy for gaming them.

Bingo! This is exactly my final conclusion as well with Russian girls. The same attitude is in Colombian women. If you are a handsome guy, you are a dog, and not worthy of any attention as you will not kiss her ass, take them dancing every saturday night, dining every Wednesday, and shopping every Sunday.


However, since I speak the language at a fluent level (Spanish), I can still have a fuck-fest because I know exactly what buttons need to be pushed, and what preemptive strikes I have to make to avoid the "player" stigma.

It is so weird that in America, a very handsome man, who generally gets attention from beautiful women wherever he goes is a weapon of attraction to other women, but its your biggest enemy on foreign lands.

MIxx

I totally bypassed these 2 posts earlier but you guys may be totally right about this being the case with the Russians. I was talking to a Thai girl working at the mall, cool chick grew up in Miami, asked if I came to thailand to bang thai girls, I said no Russians, got her laughing but she said I would have a bitch of a time with Thai girls too young too cute not marriage material, she said id lose out to fat old men every time, shes been right not a sniff from any Thai girls who werent tryin to recruit business. Sounds like it may be similar among the Russians... would explain the changing women like gloves comment and the revving me up and moving on to old men shit. I guess as long as youre throwing around money it would help to be good looking as well but its hard to look like a baller when youre out in a 5 dollar singlet cause its too hot to wear anything nice and not doing bottle service cause you're alone

[billy]

I usually get on well with Russian girls but I don't really have much specific advice to game them. They like power for sure, some of the girls I banged worked for me, while they do like material things you do not have to be rich to bang them. My dad is from India so just putting it down to racism is too simple. What I do know is that the cocky joking around over familiar typically American game does not work, IMO plain speaking works better, do not start joking until you have actually talked to them for a bit. I also find that compliments are a must. They have a much better built in bullshit dectector than western chicks. As an intro just walk up and say davai and start from there, but do not smile too much to a Russsian it makes you look like a grinning idiot.
With regard to thai girls I find them very hard my pal who I went is a ripped pretty boy and he fucked a different girl every night for the first week we were in thailand , I got blown out left right and centre by Thai girls in two months I fucked 1 while he lost count, mind you same guy destroyed me in rio.
I would also say that I have walked up to Russian girls in Tallinn and told them I want to take their picture to show people at home how beautiful Estonain girls are but this line is too much cheese for me now.

[Black Knight]

(02-29-2012 11:25 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 10:35 AM)Black Knight Wrote:  

I believe Roosh has posted before about the quasi-racism inherent in Russians/Ukrainians that already stacks the deck against guys who aren't white.

Mixx

Mixx,

Sorry about that it -- it was actually in the comment thread in Roosh's "Russian Girls" post. Can't post links because I'm new, but here's the comment that really stuck out to me:

Quote:

73 /Chris in LA
3 years, 7 months ago

From what I’ve heard, Russians are extremely racist and have a strong aversion to people from “-istan” countries or that look like they are from “-istan” countries. Roosh fits that look. Russians refer to them as “blacks”, even though they are not black in the sense we mean it in America. So that’s probably why he’s getting the cold shoulder. Stick to Brasil dude.

[mikeymike]

(03-01-2012 07:41 AM)billy Wrote:  

I usually get on well with Russian girls but I don't really have much specific advice to game them. They like power for sure, some of the girls I banged worked for me, while they do like material things you do not have to be rich to bang them. My dad is from India so just putting it down to racism is too simple. What I do know is that the cocky joking around over familiar typically American game does not work, IMO plain speaking works better, do not start joking until you have actually talked to them for a bit. I also find that compliments are a must. They have a much better built in bullshit dectector than western chicks. As an intro just walk up and say davai and start from there, but do not smile too much to a Russsian it makes you look like a grinning idiot.
With regard to thai girls I find them very hard my pal who I went is a ripped pretty boy and he fucked a different girl every night for the first week we were in thailand , I got blown out left right and centre by Thai girls in two months I fucked 1 while he lost count, mind you same guy destroyed me in rio.
I would also say that I have walked up to Russian girls in Tallinn and told them I want to take their picture to show people at home how beautiful Estonain girls are but this line is too much cheese for me now.

I was wondering that, its so foreign to actually compliment a girl, im so used to the playfully arrogant approach thats is butter on north american and aussies, but I cant remember the last time I told a girl she looked beautiful or something of that nature...the russian girls tended to eat this up in your experience?

Was your buddy a white guy? the one thai girl Im getting anywhere with is the one I met who was born in miami, she wont go out and get liquored with me yet she knows im there partying but she does want to go out on a date, she said take me out on a proper date so we're givin that a shot tmw night. Otherwise beyond her not a sniff. I might as well be invisible to the other thai girls. Finnish girl opened me today tho and we're beachin in the morning so some like the ripped pretty boy just not that thai ones and who knows what the russians are thinkin lol

Brutal weather tonight, raining sideways so no party night tonight

[RaulValdez739]

(02-29-2012 09:07 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

I am light-skin myself, but not white, I'm latin.

I had the same exact issues you are experiencing with Russian girls, they just did not feel my vibe in general. Russian girls are notorious gold-diggers like none other. I once was talking to a Russian girl, and things were going ok, only to see her making out with fat Olaf later on who looked like he was 7 months pregnant!

I would guess, by my own observations and field studies that 90% of Russian women are closet racists.

As far as I understand it, if you are not showing off you wealth (gold chains, silk clothes, bomber jacket), they will not think you are rich enough for them and it gets worse if you are not White/Anglo.

I'd like to hear from other non-white/non-anglos on this subject too.

Mixx

I always thought the same. I'm Afro-Caribbean. But i know of some people who are non-white and have had success. But like someone said before it seemed like for them the stars aligned and not necessarily due to skill/game.

Mixx you grew up in Brooklyn like myself. You are probably familiar with Brighton Beach and their Russian/Ukrainian Population. Did that influence your perception?

[MiXX]

(03-01-2012 12:55 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  

I always thought the same. I'm Afro-Caribbean. But i know of some people who are non-white and have had success. But like someone said before it seemed like for them the stars aligned and not necessarily due to skill/game.

Mixx you grew up in Brooklyn like myself. You are probably familiar with Brighton Beach and their Russian/Ukrainian Population. Did that influence your perception?

I am very familiar with Brighton beach, but of course, I was a teen-ager when I used to hang in Coney Island & Brighton Beach (My cousin still owns a Pizza shop there this very day, and another cousin runs a cell phone shop in brighton beach), and my game is nowhere near what it is today in my mid-30's. I never really tried to game the russian women from Brighton, because bak then, my game was all about what girl gave me obvious attention and IOI's - and it was Italian girls.

Now, Miami has it's own version of Brighton Beach, it is called "Sunny Isles Beach" (Russian love the beach it seems), and I have tried gaming Russian women there recently over the past 5 years...and I have not closed a single Russian girl. My only Russian flag, Ironically came in DC!!! Yes, I am a firm believer that it had NOTHING to do with game, the stars finally aligned for me to fuck a Russian girl. I have only ever been with 1 Russian girl in my entire life. I still do not have my Ukraine flag, but I have not chased Ukraine girls as much as Russian girls.


The women who gave me a lot of play in Brighton beach were from Bulgaria, or other eastern European countries. Back then, my market was mostly Italian women because they LOVE men with suntan or to light-dark skin. I would have a field day with Italian girls when I was 15 around those areas, and Long Island.


Mixx

[Excelsior]

(03-01-2012 07:41 AM)billy Wrote:  

With regard to thai girls I find them very hard my pal who I went is a ripped pretty boy and he fucked a different girl every night for the first week we were in thailand , I got blown out left right and centre by Thai girls in two months I fucked 1 while he lost count, mind you same guy destroyed me in rio.

You're running into a racial bias that appears fairly widespread in Thailand. Thai girls, judging from everything I've read, do not seem fond of Indian men. That's a running consistency I've seen on expat, game and monger forums alike. Reasons vary, though I know that among the pros at least it comes down to a perception of "cheapness". A flood of low caliber visitors from India may have ruined the place for higher value Indian men.

The Thais love white men, as do most Asian women it seems. Blacks are probably next on the list-they do ok (a little better in the Philippines). Latinos I assume would be in a similar position.
Just my two cents-apply a healthy dose of salt.

[billy]

beautiful or something of that nature...the russian girls tended to eat this up in your experience?

Was your buddy a white guy?


[/quote]

Basically Russians are a bit mental, sometimes a compliment to her looks is perfect, sometimes its almost an insult, I had a crazy bitch who used to ask me all the time 'what do you like about me ? Anything or do you just want a nice young bit of pussy to fuck'?
You have to judge so if the girl is a seven or THINKS she is a seven in Russian terms thats average and a looks compliment will be fine, if the girl is an 8 or above and knows it then she may well be dismissive of a looks compliment, I would say don't be afraid to generalise a comment to compliment Russians in general as they can be very patriotic. Praise her dress sense or deportment or some weird shit she is not expecting.



My buddy is white but has a very dark Italian look about him.

[Excelsior]

Wasn't Hooligan harry our resident Russian expert? Where'd he go? Figured he'd comment on this.

Anyway, OP should read this thread he started. Its probably the most comprehensive Russian woman rundown on the site.

Russian, EE Women and Money

[Fujiwara]

There is one man I am thinking of in particular that could probably write something here. It is someone I have never met, never seen, but let me give you some background:

A couple years ago I used to work in a restaurant that had a handful of FSU waitresses there at the time. Let's call her, Irina. Irina is about 5'8", probably weighs about 115lbs, very slender frame, nice hip-waist ratio, absolutely gorgeous face. This is one of those girls that gets asked if she is a model every half hour. She was from Moscow, and had been living in the States for about a year, but still dressed like Russian women - when she wasn't in her work clothes, you'd think she was getting dressed to be swooped in public, a la Gmanifesto.

Where were we?

Anyway, right now I am sitting at a coffeeshop in Sunny Isles, the neighborhood MIXX mentioned above that is filled with Russians. But as I am parking, I think I see Irina - except she is pregnant as fuck. I start the car back up and catch her when she walks into the street.

"Irina!"

Maybe it's not her. But nah, it looks like her.

"IRINA!"

She stops. "Oh I'm her sister!" Mistaken identity opener, and I didn't even know it yet.

So I tell her I was surprised to think it was Irina, pregnant, and she tells me that she just had a kid, a son. The sister, is 8mos preggers with a little girl.

Then she tells me the kids will be brother and sister(!).

So, the man that I feel should comment in here about Russian women, the man I have never seen nor met, is these sisters' baby daddy. Not because I want to get anyone pregnant, but, well, we all know how that happens.

[Hooligan Harry]

Chaps, women outside of their own country are not always an accurate reflection on those women as a whole.

What happens when you have an 8 walks into a bar and its full of middle aged women and fat chicks dressed like shit? Does she maintain the attitude of an 8 or does she feel her value is so high in that environment that she can be more selective and bitchier?

This is what happens with Russian and EE women when they go abroad. Hell, any attractive woman. Where she is closer to average at home, she is now closer to super hot abroad. This means more options for her and an increase in attitude, along with higher expectations.

With regards to the shock over women going for money over looks? Lol, looks and game dont trump everything lads! Culture plays a massive role in the way women respond to men and while women are women everywhere, looks matter less in EE and Russia. They have to, the men are not exactly easy on the eyes! That, and life without men who provide for them has been historically very short and very miserable.

[xmlenigma]

(03-01-2012 04:46 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(03-01-2012 07:41 AM)billy Wrote:  

With regard to thai girls I find them very hard my pal who I went is a ripped pretty boy and he fucked a different girl every night for the first week we were in thailand , I got blown out left right and centre by Thai girls in two months I fucked 1 while he lost count, mind you same guy destroyed me in rio.

You're running into a racial bias that appears fairly widespread in Thailand. Thai girls, judging from everything I've read, do not seem fond of Indian men. That's a running consistency I've seen on expat, game and monger forums alike. Reasons vary, though I know that among the pros at least it comes down to a perception of "cheapness". A flood of low caliber visitors from India may have ruined the place for higher value Indian men.

The Thais love white men, as do most Asian women it seems. Blacks are probably next on the list-they do ok (a little better in the Philippines). Latinos I assume would be in a similar position.
Just my two cents-apply a healthy dose of salt.

- Flights from India to Thailand have been cheap for ages. Even cheaper now.
- Lot of middle aged fat "miserly" "cheap" "bargain-habit" "nickel diming" "penny pinching" "low balling" "lower / mid class" small biz businessmen have gone to thailand/ bangkok over the decades to shop stuff (clothes) etc and sell them in India.
- Their life is all about squeezing the extra 5 paise/ cent out of every deal in life.. even if its buying a cup of tea or juice from a roadside vendor
- They apply the same to their "entertainment" during their such business trips.. i.e. Sex Tourism in Thailand.

They've managed to be regular "tainted" visitors to these areas in high frequency. Kind of like Drunk Ass Loud Mouth brits in Ibiza or other Euro spots.

Hence, the negative tag attached to Indians in the region. Even if some high ballers go the image is tainted against them, for decades thanks to the above.

[Spike]

(03-01-2012 01:01 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

I am very familiar with Brighton beach, but of course, I was a teen-ager when I used to hang in Coney Island & Brighton Beach (My cousin still owns a Pizza shop there this very day, and another cousin runs a cell phone shop in brighton beach), and my game is nowhere near what it is today in my mid-30's. I never really tried to game the russian women from Brighton, because bak then, my game was all about what girl gave me obvious attention and IOI's - and it was Italian girls.

Mixx

Mixx on Coney island
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[mikeymike]

(03-02-2012 02:35 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

(03-01-2012 04:46 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(03-01-2012 07:41 AM)billy Wrote:  

With regard to thai girls I find them very hard my pal who I went is a ripped pretty boy and he fucked a different girl every night for the first week we were in thailand , I got blown out left right and centre by Thai girls in two months I fucked 1 while he lost count, mind you same guy destroyed me in rio.

You're running into a racial bias that appears fairly widespread in Thailand. Thai girls, judging from everything I've read, do not seem fond of Indian men. That's a running consistency I've seen on expat, game and monger forums alike. Reasons vary, though I know that among the pros at least it comes down to a perception of "cheapness". A flood of low caliber visitors from India may have ruined the place for higher value Indian men.

The Thais love white men, as do most Asian women it seems. Blacks are probably next on the list-they do ok (a little better in the Philippines). Latinos I assume would be in a similar position.
Just my two cents-apply a healthy dose of salt.

- Flights from India to Thailand have been cheap for ages. Even cheaper now.
- Lot of middle aged fat "miserly" "cheap" "bargain-habit" "nickel diming" "penny pinching" "low balling" "lower / mid class" small biz businessmen have gone to thailand/ bangkok over the decades to shop stuff (clothes) etc and sell them in India.
- Their life is all about squeezing the extra 5 paise/ cent out of every deal in life.. even if its buying a cup of tea or juice from a roadside vendor
- They apply the same to their "entertainment" during their such business trips.. i.e. Sex Tourism in Thailand.

They've managed to be regular "tainted" visitors to these areas in high frequency. Kind of like Drunk Ass Loud Mouth brits in Ibiza or other Euro spots.

Hence, the negative tag attached to Indians in the region. Even if some high ballers go the image is tainted against them, for decades thanks to the above.

yeah its insane, the indian workers I see here cant pick out that im Indian, they know Im something and assume im from Australia, then England, then US and then theyll hit Canadian but they havent been able to pick up that im Indian but the Thai girls, theyve got me pegged. After I walked a chick back to her hotel I was walking down a strip of massage parlors and you all know theyre notoriously aggressive, this white 60s dude in his fanny pack in front of me was getting it from every girl, I didnt hear a peep directed at me. Ive seen guys walking down the street and girls will grab them by the arms and hold them there, I dont even get a cursory want a massage? I dont but seriously its evident I have some sort of bank and come from a first world country that I should be good for few hundred bhat, the stench my brethren have left is so strong its taking me down lol. Anyway off to try for my Thai flag, half Thai half white, lives here still counts right

[mikeymike]

(03-02-2012 12:11 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Chaps, women outside of their own country are not always an accurate reflection on those women as a whole.

What happens when you have an 8 walks into a bar and its full of middle aged women and fat chicks dressed like shit? Does she maintain the attitude of an 8 or does she feel her value is so high in that environment that she can be more selective and bitchier?

This is what happens with Russian and EE women when they go abroad. Hell, any attractive woman. Where she is closer to average at home, she is now closer to super hot abroad. This means more options for her and an increase in attitude, along with higher expectations.

With regards to the shock over women going for money over looks? Lol, looks and game dont trump everything lads! Culture plays a massive role in the way women respond to men and while women are women everywhere, looks matter less in EE and Russia. They have to, the men are not exactly easy on the eyes! That, and life without men who provide for them has been historically very short and very miserable.

I dont know that the Russian girls stand out that much more than the Aussie chicks, a lot of the Aussie girls are smoking hot but they make very little effort. The Russian girls are rocking club wear for strolling down Bangla in 30 degree celsius weather while every other girls in flip flops and ratty jean cutoffs. I guess they percieve themselves to be above those girls cause theyre making an effort to look polished vs rolling out of bed and saying beach time.

Im not naive to think money doesnt matter but in finding a mate, a vacation hook up it seems a little more irrelevant but I guess old habits die hard and theyre still looking at the guy whose gonna drop the most on them in a given night. Its not like im even getting a chance to show them that im willing to spend the bucks, the ones Ive gotten anywhere with came at me red hot, we got into a little and as quick as it was on, theyd flip the switch and move on. Its working with the other girls, something is diff with the Russians.

[oldnemesis]

(02-29-2012 07:29 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

Russian girls on the other hand, maybe its a language cultural issue, maybe they dont like color (im light skinned but not white)

"Not white" is not ethnic. Are you Indian or Arab? Then its tough. Black or Latin? Much easier.

[mikeymike]

(03-03-2012 11:34 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 07:29 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

Russian girls on the other hand, maybe its a language cultural issue, maybe they dont like color (im light skinned but not white)

"Not white" is not ethnic. Are you Indian or Arab? Then its tough. Black or Latin? Much easier.

Im Indian, if they can classify me as one by look theyre better at it than nearly everybody ive ever met, by look 99% of people assume im one of Italian, Greek or Spaniard...family thing none us have traditional indian features or coloring so I cant see them shooting me down right off the bat for being Indian. Im also getting initial interest more and more from them, usually at the clubs so they seem to not have a problem with the look but something im doing or not doing is stopping me from taking it from a dance, a grind, to the next steps. Theres no accent either so its not like once theyve gotten close I dippered it up and they ran for the hills lol Id chalk it up to bad game if it werent working with everyone but them theyre about the only ones, well and thai girls but I havent approached any at all cept the one I took out.

[oldnemesis]

(03-04-2012 01:17 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

Im Indian, if they can classify me as one by look theyre better at it than nearly everybody ive ever met, by look 99% of people assume im one of Italian, Greek or Spaniard...

It's hard to say without picture but we have seen a lot of Indian movies during the USSR time, so a lot of Russians (especially 25+) are quite familiar with how Indians look like.

Quote:

Im also getting initial interest more and more from them, usually at the clubs so they seem to not have a problem with the look but something im doing or not doing is stopping me from taking it from a dance, a grind, to the next steps.

That's fine. From what you said you're actually progressing - and that's good. It makes you more comfortable, and you'll do even better further.

Accent doesn't matter there, most natives in Russia cannot recognize any English accent anyway.

[mikeymike]

(03-05-2012 01:16 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 01:17 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

Im Indian, if they can classify me as one by look theyre better at it than nearly everybody ive ever met, by look 99% of people assume im one of Italian, Greek or Spaniard...

It's hard to say without picture but we have seen a lot of Indian movies during the USSR time, so a lot of Russians (especially 25+) are quite familiar with how Indians look like.

Quote:

Im also getting initial interest more and more from them, usually at the clubs so they seem to not have a problem with the look but something im doing or not doing is stopping me from taking it from a dance, a grind, to the next steps.

That's fine. From what you said you're actually progressing - and that's good. It makes you more comfortable, and you'll do even better further.

Accent doesn't matter there, most natives in Russia cannot recognize any English accent anyway.

ah that might explain it, my looks and features are non traditional by indian standards but the indian male leads tends to be atypical within their features and in India, I got the movie star comments a lot when i was traveling there and a club owner asked me to do some print stuff for their ads saying hed discover me lol so I guess I got that indian actor look. If they dont see a lot of indians outside those movies I could see them thinking thats how we come. The people who see Indians everyday dont make the same leap they just assume im not like people they see everyday so I have to be something else.

I am progressing slowly, not anywhere close to closing yet but I went from completely shut down to dancing, got a couple kisses so hopefully before I go I can get this russian flag. Confidence is definitely up around them, they test your inner game more than the average girl you really cannot give a shit, cause theyre pretty blunt and not adverse to revving you up and walking, it can play with your head and it was for me, still is, not entirely gone. Realizing its not just a color thing, it is to a degree but not entirely that cause outside a few rare guys dropping massive coin nobody is getting anywhere with them. Ive talked to a bunch of guys and theyre all with thai girls and p4p girls, russian girls are blowing guys outta the water universally over here. Its like learning how to game all over again.

[oldnemesis]

(03-05-2012 01:46 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

ah that might explain it, my looks and features are non traditional by indian standards but the indian male leads tends to be atypical within their features and in India, I got the movie star comments a lot when i was traveling there and a club owner asked me to do some print stuff for their ads saying hed discover me lol so I guess I got that indian actor look.

Maybe. Tell a chick you're an actor and see how they react. If you don't get shit tested on it right away, they probably believed that.

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Confidence is definitely up around them

This is because the females are abundance in Russia, so no grown up guy would really give shit about one of them slipping away. That's what she's used to. A dude is "the catch" there, not a girl. This is the mindset you must have. It may screw you here in US, but in Russia or Asia if you don't have it you'll get screwed royally.

[mikeymike]

(03-05-2012 09:30 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 01:46 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

ah that might explain it, my looks and features are non traditional by indian standards but the indian male leads tends to be atypical within their features and in India, I got the movie star comments a lot when i was traveling there and a club owner asked me to do some print stuff for their ads saying hed discover me lol so I guess I got that indian actor look.

Maybe. Tell a chick you're an actor and see how they react. If you don't get shit tested on it right away, they probably believed that.

Quote:

Confidence is definitely up around them

This is because the females are abundance in Russia, so no grown up guy would really give shit about one of them slipping away. That's what she's used to. A dude is "the catch" there, not a girl. This is the mindset you must have. It may screw you here in US, but in Russia or Asia if you don't have it you'll get screwed royally.

lol, im a bollywood actor, what the hell couldnt hurt, i'll throw it out there a couple times see what happens.

You put that perfectly, im still approaching them like I want to get them as opposed to theyre trippin over themselves to find a guy, why give them the power back.

[brianmark]

(02-29-2012 07:29 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

You may or may not know Im currently in Phuket, and here for another month and the going is good with the Aussie girls...as long as theyre not here with boyfriends theyre friendly and chatting them up is cake and if theyre receptive closing hasnt proved hard (knock on wood)...

Russian girls on the other hand, maybe its a language cultural issue, maybe they dont like color (im light skinned but not white) but getting nowhere with these girls and finding them incredibly tough reads...many come with bfs husbands and for the most part the guys are ugly ass fat peckers so they dont seem to be a selective bunch and as a good lookin guy I figured itd be easy pickens with the singles...I am just not picking up anything that shows interest tho. The few times I thought I had something in day game I moved and shot down those 4 times, at the clubs I fair a bit better they seem to open up with some alcohol in them. Had a few follow me around stalking it was weird, kissed one but talking to them theyre a different breed, insanely blunt and cold, the one I made out with said youre handsome but im not with guy who changes girls like gloves and walked, I had no idea what to do after that so I let her walk. So anyone know Russian girls well enough to give me some pointers things to watch for, how to talk to these things lol

I have to agree with Greek Kamaki. The secret of why you are not doing well is simple. You do not DHV to these girls. They are not there to just fuck some strange guy they just met. I’m white, but don’t believe your problem is skin color. I spent some time in Goa, India last year. I met tons of great looking Russian girls. Why was I successful and you weren’t? This is the same reason Mixx is successful in Columbia or with Columbian women and I probably wouldn’t be. He knows their culture. I don’t speak Russian, but that didn’t matter, what mattered was that I lived in Ukraine for 7 months and made 5 trips there over several years. I understand things about their culture, food, music , and I know where their cities are. And probably the best thing I could tell them was that I had a Ukrainian GF. (GFs). Having a Ukrainian GF, I found out is a status symbol to Russian women. I heard multiple times that Ukrainian girls are the most beautiful. To the Russian girls I met, they thought I DHV. And yes I hooked up a couple of times. They saw me as someone that was going to come to Russia and visit them or at least appreciated their culture.
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You can’t be everything to every culture in the world. Ten years earlier I lived in Italy and couldn’t get anything, so my Italian friend asked his relatives there why can’t my American friend get a girl. Their answer was, “what does he have to offer an Italian girl?” To an Italian girl who wants to stay in Italy, I offered her Nothing! I finally got a girl before I moved back to the USA, but guess who she was? An Anglophile!

[mikeymike]

(03-06-2012 03:40 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 07:29 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

You may or may not know Im currently in Phuket, and here for another month and the going is good with the Aussie girls...as long as theyre not here with boyfriends theyre friendly and chatting them up is cake and if theyre receptive closing hasnt proved hard (knock on wood)...

Russian girls on the other hand, maybe its a language cultural issue, maybe they dont like color (im light skinned but not white) but getting nowhere with these girls and finding them incredibly tough reads...many come with bfs husbands and for the most part the guys are ugly ass fat peckers so they dont seem to be a selective bunch and as a good lookin guy I figured itd be easy pickens with the singles...I am just not picking up anything that shows interest tho. The few times I thought I had something in day game I moved and shot down those 4 times, at the clubs I fair a bit better they seem to open up with some alcohol in them. Had a few follow me around stalking it was weird, kissed one but talking to them theyre a different breed, insanely blunt and cold, the one I made out with said youre handsome but im not with guy who changes girls like gloves and walked, I had no idea what to do after that so I let her walk. So anyone know Russian girls well enough to give me some pointers things to watch for, how to talk to these things lol

I have to agree with Greek Kamaki. The secret of why you are not doing well is simple. You do not DHV to these girls. They are not there to just fuck some strange guy they just met. I’m white, but don’t believe your problem is skin color. I spent some time in Goa, India last year. I met tons of great looking Russian girls. Why was I successful and you weren’t? This is the same reason Mixx is successful in Columbia or with Columbian women and I probably wouldn’t be. He knows their culture. I don’t speak Russian, but that didn’t matter, what mattered was that I lived in Ukraine for 7 months and made 5 trips there over several years. I understand things about their culture, food, music , and I know where their cities are. And probably the best thing I could tell them was that I had a Ukrainian GF. (GFs). Having a Ukrainian GF, I found out is a status symbol to Russian women. I heard multiple times that Ukrainian girls are the most beautiful. To the Russian girls I met, they thought I DHV. And yes I hooked up a couple of times. They saw me as someone that was going to come to Russia and visit them or at least appreciated their culture.
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You can’t be everything to every culture in the world. Ten years earlier I lived in Italy and couldn’t get anything, so my Italian friend asked his relatives there why can’t my American friend get a girl. Their answer was, “what does he have to offer an Italian girl?” To an Italian girl who wants to stay in Italy, I offered her Nothing! I finally got a girl before I moved back to the USA, but guess who she was? An Anglophile!

useful info, cant change much about what I know about russia and its language at this stage but I can play up the Ukranian gf angle and how im going to visit her get her thinking if I get this guy interested he'll change his ticket to Russia lol

Commonality is a strong asset, its why Im clicking so easily with the Aussies...Canadians and Aussies are so similar that its like gettin with a girl back home but cant have this trip go down without one russian conquest, itd be a shame.

[brianmark]

(03-06-2012 04:40 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

(03-06-2012 03:40 AM)brianmark Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 07:29 AM)mikeymike Wrote:  

You may or may not know Im currently in Phuket, and here for another month and the going is good with the Aussie girls...as long as theyre not here with boyfriends theyre friendly and chatting them up is cake and if theyre receptive closing hasnt proved hard (knock on wood)...

Russian girls on the other hand, maybe its a language cultural issue, maybe they dont like color (im light skinned but not white) but getting nowhere with these girls and finding them incredibly tough reads...many come with bfs husbands and for the most part the guys are ugly ass fat peckers so they dont seem to be a selective bunch and as a good lookin guy I figured itd be easy pickens with the singles...I am just not picking up anything that shows interest tho. The few times I thought I had something in day game I moved and shot down those 4 times, at the clubs I fair a bit better they seem to open up with some alcohol in them. Had a few follow me around stalking it was weird, kissed one but talking to them theyre a different breed, insanely blunt and cold, the one I made out with said youre handsome but im not with guy who changes girls like gloves and walked, I had no idea what to do after that so I let her walk. So anyone know Russian girls well enough to give me some pointers things to watch for, how to talk to these things lol

I have to agree with Greek Kamaki. The secret of why you are not doing well is simple. You do not DHV to these girls. They are not there to just fuck some strange guy they just met. I’m white, but don’t believe your problem is skin color. I spent some time in Goa, India last year. I met tons of great looking Russian girls. Why was I successful and you weren’t? This is the same reason Mixx is successful in Columbia or with Columbian women and I probably wouldn’t be. He knows their culture. I don’t speak Russian, but that didn’t matter, what mattered was that I lived in Ukraine for 7 months and made 5 trips there over several years. I understand things about their culture, food, music , and I know where their cities are. And probably the best thing I could tell them was that I had a Ukrainian GF. (GFs). Having a Ukrainian GF, I found out is a status symbol to Russian women. I heard multiple times that Ukrainian girls are the most beautiful. To the Russian girls I met, they thought I DHV. And yes I hooked up a couple of times. They saw me as someone that was going to come to Russia and visit them or at least appreciated their culture.
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You can’t be everything to every culture in the world. Ten years earlier I lived in Italy and couldn’t get anything, so my Italian friend asked his relatives there why can’t my American friend get a girl. Their answer was, “what does he have to offer an Italian girl?” To an Italian girl who wants to stay in Italy, I offered her Nothing! I finally got a girl before I moved back to the USA, but guess who she was? An Anglophile!

useful info, cant change much about what I know about russia and its language at this stage but I can play up the Ukranian gf angle and how im going to visit her get her thinking if I get this guy interested he'll change his ticket to Russia lol

Commonality is a strong asset, its why Im clicking so easily with the Aussies...Canadians and Aussies are so similar that its like gettin with a girl back home but cant have this trip go down without one russian conquest, itd be a shame.

I learned this a long time ago. "Like Attracts Like"! You can't be everything to everyone. If like doing a lotta drugs, you can attract druggies, if you are into athletics, you'll attract a girl who is an athlete, if you have PhD, a girl with a PhD will like you, good looking guys, attract good looking girls. PUA is about "faking it until you can make it"! I hope you can fake it until you can become a Russian expert. Good luck!

[mikeymike]

Alright Russian experts, help me decipher this conversation I had this afternoon...

Russian girl at the beach eye fucking me, my most obvious russian cue to date...didn't act on it, little gun shy with all the bs ive been thru with them so went into the water she waded in a minute or so after me and swam up to the area I was hangin in, I figured if shes making it this obvious I gotta approach so I saw an opening and went for it, got what I wanted, a date but left the convo a little confused by one of the things she said...

I'll skip thru the opening, we just shot the shit about parasailing, that was my in some guy had just gone up and she was watching...

after the opening, I say why don't we go out for drinks tonight...
her: my friend is here also I cant leave her, she is sitting at the chair
me: well, I wanna get to know you first, why dont we meet up around 930, we'll get some drinks, and we'll call your friend to join us later after we get some time together
her: I dont know you're too pretty my friend says youre too pretty too
me: I knew you girls were watching me... I dont know what the pretty thing means, but it sounds like you think im good looking and thats good
her: You're not like boys back at home, big strong, very different we are russian
me: Youre not like girls back home for me either, thats a good thing...its just drinks darlin, we'll have some fun( ive been watchin a lot of sons of anarchy lately darlins slipped into my vocab, and for whatever reason the girls respond to it)
her: can we go to dinner and my friend comes to drinks after with us after I dont want her by herself late
me: I already have dinner plans with a friend from the building, he taught me kite boarding so im taking his wife and him out, I dont cancel plans on friends...(he did teach me but I dont have plans just didnt want her dictating plans)
her: ok we'll meet for drinks after we call my friend
me: I'll pick you up at 930, we exchanged info and I picked up my shit got outta there like it was a hit and run scene lol

then she txtd me an hour ago, im nervous to go with you what I should wear, dress, shorts, you are too pretty, it is concern to me.

txtd her back with: its hot out, the less you wear the better...but its a nice place so I think youd kill in a short dress, very short dress. We'll worry about your concerns after the date...

her txt back... you are bad I see you soon and a bunch of emoticons that I couldnt puzzle together.

what the fuck is all this pretty shit, and not big strong??? im 6ft and 175ish ripped, im not a mass monster but im not small by any means, I look a lot tougher and in better shape than most of the guys here...shit test? I just played it off and ignored assuming it was but the harping on it is weird and I have a feeling this shits coming up again tonight...see her in less than a couple hours...any idea what shes getting at with that?