[IVth_Element]

(03-04-2012 09:37 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 09:03 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

There is way too much talk about gifting. Yes, it may be culturally acceptable and normal, or worth it in rare situations to bang twin models in the Ukraine, but we shouldn't sit here and discuss it openly like it's any part of game. It's not good for the forum. These whores are already cunning and self-obsessed; buying them skirts and cell phones to fuck only makes it harder for the next guy. One guy on a speed pussy mission at the cost of inflating egos that are already sky high, does a disservice to all that follow. Not much better is the guy that doesn't know how to properly let a decent girl down after he bangs and she wants to hang out. Seriously, there really should be a thread on sustainable pussy. It's possible to fuck these girls without giving a gift over 10 Euros, by showing high value, class, style, intelligence, and leading the interaction. Talk to them and if they seem worth a shit, . Wanna talk about "STOP CREATING MONSTERS", there you go. And when you're done with the girl, give her a decent excuse for why you don't give a shit to see her again. Put 2 minutes into it and do us all a favor. Tell her you're still in love with someone, you are scarred from a past relationship, or any other bs that keep her from labeling us all as ruthless pussy hounds, even if it's the truth. Do it for your grandchildren, illegitimate or not, that may want to bang girls in FSU one day without carrying fur coats in their pockets.

So you think that foreigners promising marriage or allowing hopes for marriage open to tell the girls at the end sorry I have to go do good to the next guy? What will the girl think again of a foreigner who will aproach her and what will her girlfriends think having heard the story by her?It is not a coincidence that some nationalities have already gained a bad reputation for doing this.

Contrary to that the guy who marries her or buys her presents does a service to the next one because she assumes he will display similar behaviour.

Moreover these demands mobile phone etc do not get created by foreigners but they are driven by local men who spend on girls and foreigners can influence the prices by very slight degree.

Greek

The local men can do whatever they want. They do not reflect on us. They only drive up the price for the girls that can be outright bought with gifts without putting in any other effort. You are going for the hottest girls that you can lay in rapid speed, using gifts to save time, in exchange for sex. In my view, it is only a few steps above outright whoring and I wouldn't feel right doing it. I have respect for my future brothers and I'm not here to ego inflate these bitches to high hell. I'm worth 10x their weight in gold and I won't kiss their asses until my dick is half way down their throats. Yes, all girls may be whores, but you are going for outright whores and that's fine. I can't tell a man how to handle his affairs. I'm only saying that I for one am not going to do it and honestly I don't think that it has any place on this forum. It's best kept to yourself.

To answer your questions, No, I don't agree with anyone that uses outright deception to get laid. Suggesting that you may stay in town for a while to write or work or even to consider finding a girlfriend is not outright deception, like having someone think that you will marry them. This is common all across SEA, where the farang makes promises to come back and marry the girl. This is worse than buying the pussy, as at least that is a fair business dealing. I truly believe that all deception eventually comes back on someone, although you do not owe a stranger full disclosure.

The real difference lies in the fact that I actually enjoy the whole interaction (Game) with women. I enjoy spending time with a beautiful woman that has had less than 5 dicks in her in the last month. I enjoy the full spectrum of what a decent woman can temporarily bring into your life. Most of them, I do fuck and chuck, but some get to stick around. Take my Venezualan girlfriend that cooks me meals 3 times a week, and won't stay off my dick for more than a few hours. Educated, beautiful, smart, and knows that I will not commit to her. We do not live together and when I travel, she tells me to be safe, which means, wear a condom if you fuck other girls.

All these magic tricks, deception, gifts, and other devaluing practices are only for those that have little confidence and/or just want as much pussy as possible with all the consequences that comes with it, unless all the cards are on the table (p4p).

Build your life, be honest about your successes, display yourself confidently and proudly, and treat every whore as is if she can be replaced in 5 minutes because she can. At the same time, show her decent respect, and lead the interaction in a sexual way. Tell them that you have no interest in a possessive relationship at the moment and let then tell themselves all the lies they want as they spread their asses trying to change your mind (great story Deb).

[oldnemesis]

(03-04-2012 09:53 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I am 37 years old.

I'll be 37 very soon.

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And let's say if sb pays for a mansion 200$ per day to impress girls why is it not legit to buy a 200$ mobile phone to fuck girls?Why spend the money on mansion and not straight in order to fuck?

I agree with that. However then you obviously understand that those are two different things. A 60yo guy fucking an 18yo? I'd say respect. But if he pays her? Everyone can do it.
I don't have any issues with P4P and I've been doing it myself. However those are different things, and they are evaluated using the different criteria.

[Hooligan Harry]

I agree to some extent with Element. The reason why I like Russian and EE women is because that process does not feel like a chore. Its a chore back home(Australia) but its not a chore there. Im not going through the motions, I actually do enjoy their company for the most part and I dont feel like I need to run for the hills after I have smashed it. Saying that, there are a lot of guys here who are all about the hit and run, and for the most part a lot of what Kamaki says is actually quite practical. You can argue about theoretical bullshit and "whats real game" all you want, at the end of the day if its nothing more than a wet hole you are after, Kamaki is boxing smart while everyone else wants to play by some imaginary rule book.

Kamaki has a different approach and there is not need to attack him for it. Its not wrong, it just means its not an approach that suits everyone. I wanted to get to the bottom of it too because it sounded like he was whoring to me, which its not far off from what I can see. It just helps to put his advice into perspective and its just as valuable when you put it into context, even if its not directly transferable to the approach I and many others may prefer.

Another thing is that western men have this stigma associated with women accepting money, gifts or favours for sex. Women are whores, learn to deal with it already. We pay for sex, be it directly or indirectly. You pay in time, effort, putting yourself in a certain environment, clothes, etc. A guy like Mixx will tell you he pays nothing, but he dresses to the nines, spends time in the gym and spent years honing social skills to get to that point. Hes in ketosis right now! (lol, sorry, could not resist) He paid for it, even though there is no direct exchange for it. Its the way it is and its the same for all of us.

Indirect exchange for sex requires female validation. Direct exchange requires no female validation. There is beta behaviour on both ends of the spectrum and its not a black and white issue because this shit is determined by personal situations and even transcends culture. Whats seen as whoring in the USA is not seen as whoring in Russia. Whats considered slutty behaviour in Russia is not considered such in the USA. Paying for sex in Thailand is like buying a packet of cigarettes, paying for sex in Sweden will see you sent to jail. While Italians feel no shame in gang banging hookers with friends, Americans feel paying for sex is too big an assault on their egos.

Consider these things the next time you sit back and analyse all this alpha/beta crap or tell someone like Kamaki his approach is wrong. His approach may not suit everyone, but it may suit some, and if you put his posts into context there is still a lot of value many can take from him

[oldnemesis]

(03-04-2012 04:38 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Being a poor bastard it actually makes me feel better when i get a girl back to my simple cold shower room.

Note that even your room is still quite good by SE Asia standards - at least you have your own bed you're not sharing with anyone, you don't have to ride three jeepneys for an hour to get there, you don't have to deal with your family, aunts, sisters and their husbands... as I said, we take those things for granted.

How many guys in Philippines do you think could afford to live in such a room like yours?

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@OldNemesis, forget getting a straight answer about the P4P. If answered, its gonna be just as "zigzag" as the advice.

Yeah, I just don't understand why Westerners have such a major issue to admit they're fucking chicks for money. For me this is not a big deal at all. Money is the cheapest commodity you can exchange the things for.

[oldnemesis]

(03-04-2012 07:51 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

have guaranteed bangs because the girls have agreed to stay in my apartment the day I come.

This is not a guaranteed bang; in the best case it is a "possible bang".

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3.This is a powerful line.For example I asked this to a gorgeous girl the time exactly she stepped on the bus(she wore a hot mini skirt) and she gave me her number instantly while on the steps to bus.

Of course - then you call her, and she'll tell you the price. I don't see any other scenario when you basically ask her "do you like to get something of value from me?" and she gives you the number. This is not very different from a street hooker.

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You have to realize the materialistic nature of many slavic women.Again this can be used only in Kiev and eastern Ukraine not in western Ukraine where it has big chances to fail due to local environment.

There are less whores there. It is true, the dude from UK I met in Lviv last time complained a lot about how difficult it was for him to find a hooker. You still can fuck girls there for money, you just need to be more subtle about it (like sitting on a bench on a street shuffling a pack of large dollar bills in your hands).

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4.You cannot ask this thing in Poland except the girl belongs to the famous Galerianki(girls who frequent malls to get sponsors to buy them presents).

Same as in Ukraine. This is a question for hookers. And I've seen Galerianki long time ago.

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Let's say lots of Ukrainian girls will fuck if you buy them a mobile phone and many Russian girls will fuck if you buy them a fur.

and a lot of American college girls will fuck you if you pay their tuition or rent. And I guess a majority of American girls will fuck you if you buy them an expensive sport car.
But I thought this wasn't what we're discussing in this forum.

I wonder if you can admit at least to yourself that you're buying pussy? As I said, I have no problem with P4P as I'm not American. What I'm wondering is that in my experience those who go the P4P route but do not want to admit it to themselves usually overpay a lot. This includes dudes buying $1000 furs to girls they could fucked for $50 in cash. This includes Westerners in Thailand going to a club with a "non-pro" girl, buying drinks for her and her friends and spending $300 while the LTR price is mere $40. And so on.

Be aware, that if you're paying for a dream, the girls will sell you a dream - but if you only really interested in pussy, you'd get it much cheaper than a dream.

[oldnemesis]

(03-04-2012 09:25 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Look at this film to get an idea about polish girls reality.

You're overestimating. Yes, some (very few actually) Polish girls are like that. However this is definitely NOT the reality for the vast majority of Polish girls.

[IVth_Element]

(03-05-2012 12:03 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

I agree to some extent with Element. The reason why I like Russian and EE women is because that process does not feel like a chore. Its a chore back home(Australia) but its not a chore there. Im not going through the motions, I actually do enjoy their company for the most part and I dont feel like I need to run for the hills after I have smashed it.

Yes.

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Saying that, there are a lot of guys here who are all about the hit and run, and for the most part a lot of what Kamaki says is actually quite practical. You can argue about theoretical bullshit and "whats real game" all you want, at the end of the day if its nothing more than a wet hole you are after, Kamaki is boxing smart while everyone else wants to play by some imaginary rule book.

Fair enough. But why not just outright buy hookers? It's faster and costs about the same. Instead he's doing a rapid fire machine gun approach to dozens of women a night, making propositions that include giving gifts to strangers for sex. This is not a judgment, this is a fact. There is no imaginary rule book, only what someone is comfortable doing or not doing. Forget game, but let's not pretend that this is anything more than outright whoring, including giving cash.

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Kamaki has a different approach and there is not need to attack him for it. Its not wrong, it just means its not an approach that suits everyone.

I agree and I don't think that I was attacking him. In fact, I stated that it's not my place to judge him, but that outright paying for sex doesn't belong on this forum. I have stated my opinion and I will leave it up to Roosh.

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Another thing is that western men have this stigma associated with women accepting money, gifts or favours for sex. Women are whores, learn to deal with it already. We pay for sex, be it directly or indirectly.
You pay in time, effort, putting yourself in a certain environment, clothes, etc. A guy like Mixx will tell you he pays nothing, but he dresses to the nines, spends time in the gym and spent years honing social skills to get to that point. Hes in ketosis right now! (lol, sorry, could not resist) He paid for it, even though there is no direct exchange for it. Its the way it is and its the same for all of us.

You're the one judging. It's not about a stigma. It's simply unnecessary and shows a lack of confidence or respect for oneself to have to offer up a bride to feel deserving of someone else. When you get a nice haircut, buy nice clothes, work out, and learn 3 languages, how does a woman take anything of material benefit from the situation. You paid for yourself, not her, and you get to reap the benefits over and over. You are building your own house, not ego inflating these cunning whores by walking up with your hands out.

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While Italians feel no shame in gang banging hookers with friends,

And what does most of the female world think about Italians due to their relentless (machine gun) sexual propositions to strangers? Is this any different that what Greek is doing?

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Americans feel paying for sex is too big an assault on their egos.

Nothing left to prove to myself. It's her ego that is the problem along with anyone that inflates it at the cost of everyone else.

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Consider these things the next time you sit back and analyse all this alpha/beta crap or tell someone like Kamaki his approach is wrong.

Never said his approach was wrong, just not fitting for a Game forum.

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His approach may not suit everyone, but it may suit some, and if you put his posts into context there is still a lot of value many can take from him

I agree. He has real experience and some of what he says can give insight to how these women work. The problem is that he paints with a broad brush and we cannot what tell what is applicable to guys that aren't gifting. I would much rather hear stores from Deb, Entropy, Roosh or yourself, as the overwhelming majority of guys on the forum can actually learn from that interaction.

[Spike]

Its seems IVth element picked up the battle axe when i left the discussion. Give it up man. Its like talking to a brick Greek wall. It might be you who gets banned for stirring up things here. Its already an overheated day on the forum today. But thanks for sticking up for your beliefs (which i share).

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[IVth_Element]

I can't speak for Roosh, but I don't see why he would have a problem with this discussion. No one is making directly insults, just sharing opinions. I have no problem with Greek. I would buy him a beer if I met him. I just think that there is too much talk about gifting. That's it, I'm done.

[MiXX]

(03-05-2012 11:20 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Its seems IVth element picked up the battle axe when i left the discussion. Give it up man. Its like talking to a brick Greek wall. It might be you who gets banned for stirring up things here. Its already an overheated day on the forum today. But thanks for sticking up for your beliefs (which i share).

Edit :1000 posts !

Congrats buddy. You make a lot of cool contributions here! I've easily enjoyed 998 of your posts!


MIxx

[Greek kamaki]

I need to clarify again some things:

I do not use the line ''lubis podarki'' in clubs.In clubs my line is ''are you from Kiev?''(when I am in Kiev).If you say lubis podarki? In clubs you will have to pay first about 200 euro in shots and drinks the girls are going to suck on you.So it is not a good strategy.I ask this question only in street and malls and only in cities like Kiev and only if the girl has over the top and sophisticated appearance or is completely sexy dressed.It is the easy and fast way and almost crashes any resistance.

I have already told that if one is on budget he should try street pick up in western Ukraine and end with one girl per week.Or he could arrange to stay in girlfriend's house and drastically reduce his expenses however I warn that his experience will not be the best one.

3.Again I am flexible.In Kiev I do this in western Ukraine I do another thing in eastern Ukraine another.I am different in Poland and different in Germany.So I adapt.I adapt in minimal time I do not need 1-2 days I adapt by the time I set foot.

4.Time is money.When you are in Ukraine for some days you lose money because you take these days off work.Also you have to pay for accomodation for every day.So the practical dilemma is should I spend 1000 euro for a week and 1-2 girlfriends in western Ukraine or for a weekend with 3 different girls bang in Kiev.Again the choice is personal.It depends in your budget and character.f you like adrenaline and high rate altrnation visit Kiev.There is a multitude of targets and all sorts of venues(streets,malls,clubs,internet).Expect to pay though.It is about choice.A girl you will meet in a high end Kiev club for which you will have paid 35 euro entrance and comes from Kiev and lives in Kiev will be not less compliant with a gift of 200 euro from your part to get into her pants.You will have to pay for her drinks in clubs and her sushi as well.You may get to bang her girlfriends as well.Again it depends how much you are ready to pay.

The girl you will meet in a Kiev club and comes from province will be much easier but maybe the next day goes back to province.She stays in friend's house in Kiev.Will you follow her to province and lose the other possibilities?It is up to you.

The girl you meet on the street in Kiev withour using the line expects that you take her to a good cafe or restaurant so expect to pay.You may pay for her girlfriends meal as well despite you are not going to fuck them.It is a tradition there that girls bring their girlfriends to eat as well.

I do not understand why I have to repeat the same things.It is not an one way road.Now it is like playing football and telling you high kicks to the goalpost are good and you tell me that low kicks are also good.It all depends on your position and the power of kick you have.You can do the one you can do the other.There is no rule.I use high kicks,low kicks,high passes,low passes,passes in front of the player and passes to him every possibility.I think what is the best in a given situation and get an experience of what works.

5.Money is always the same.Whether you pay it for restaurant or for cafe or for club or for present it is the same.Even if you pay it for your accomodation.It is expenses.I hear some guys trying to justify their actions saying I enjoyed my meal in the restaurant as well however it is highly doubtful they would get such a meal themselves if not accompanied by a beautiful girl.

Also you see Mixx has put an action where he rents an apartment for low price under the condition he fucks the girl who stays in and everyone congratulates him.I ask you if for example I rent an apartment in Kiev and give the money I get from apartment per month to buy presents and fuck girls it is not the same?What if I do the same and rent the apartment to poor students from province telling them that they will pay me a ridiculous amount if they let me fuck them?You would say you are going for whoring.Again what is the difference? It has more to do with like or dislike of the person not of his actions.

[chochemonger1]

(03-05-2012 12:10 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I need to clarify again some things:

I do not use the line ''lubis podarki'' in clubs.In clubs my line is ''are you from Kiev?''(when I am in Kiev).If you say lubis podarki? In clubs you will have to pay first about 200 euro in shots and drinks the girls are going to suck on you.So it is not a good strategy.I ask this question only in street and malls and only in cities like Kiev and only if the girl has over the top and sophisticated appearance or is completely sexy dressed.It is the easy and fast way and almost crashes any resistance.

I have already told that if one is on budget he should try street pick up in western Ukraine and end with one girl per week.Or he could arrange to stay in girlfriend's house and drastically reduce his expenses however I warn that his experience will not be the best one.

3.Again I am flexible.In Kiev I do this in western Ukraine I do another thing in eastern Ukraine another.I am different in Poland and different in Germany.So I adapt.I adapt in minimal time I do not need 1-2 days I adapt by the time I set foot.

4.Time is money.When you are in Ukraine for some days you lose money because you take these days off work.Also you have to pay for accomodation for every day.So the practical dilemma is should I spend 1000 euro for a week and 1-2 girlfriends in western Ukraine or for a weekend with 3 different girls bang in Kiev.Again the choice is personal.It depends in your budget and character.f you like adrenaline and high rate altrnation visit Kiev.There is a multitude of targets and all sorts of venues(streets,malls,clubs,internet).Expect to pay though.It is about choice.A girl you will meet in a high end Kiev club for which you will have paid 35 euro entrance and comes from Kiev and lives in Kiev will be not less compliant with a gift of 200 euro from your part to get into her pants.You will have to pay for her drinks in clubs and her sushi as well.You may get to bang her girlfriends as well.Again it depends how much you are ready to pay.

The girl you will meet in a Kiev club and comes from province will be much easier but maybe the next day goes back to province.She stays in friend's house in Kiev.Will you follow her to province and lose the other possibilities?It is up to you.

The girl you meet on the street in Kiev withour using the line expects that you take her to a good cafe or restaurant so expect to pay.You may pay for her girlfriends meal as well despite you are not going to fuck them.It is a tradition there that girls bring their girlfriends to eat as well.

I do not understand why I have to repeat the same things.It is not an one way road.Now it is like playing football and telling you high kicks to the goalpost are good and you tell me that low kicks are also good.It all depends on your position and the power of kick you have.You can do the one you can do the other.There is no rule.I use high kicks,low kicks,high passes,low passes,passes in front of the player and passes to him every possibility.I think what is the best in a given situation and get an experience of what works.

5.Money is always the same.Whether you pay it for restaurant or for cafe or for club or for present it is the same.Even if you pay it for your accomodation.It is expenses.I hear some guys trying to justify their actions saying I enjoyed my meal in the restaurant as well however it is highly doubtful they would get such a meal themselves if not accompanied by a beautiful girl.

Also you see Mixx has put an action where he rents an apartment for low price under the condition he fucks the girl who stays in and everyone congratulates him.I ask you if for example I rent an apartment in Kiev and give the money I get from apartment per month to buy presents and fuck girls it is not the same?What if I do the same and rent the apartment to poor students from province telling them that they will pay me a ridiculous amount if they let me fuck them?You would say you are going for whoring.Again what is the difference? It has more to do with like or dislike of the person not of his actions.

Ill give you credit Kamaki, you dont waste any time and seem as efficient as any of us here. Efficiency and calibrating is the key to racking up numbers and quality. Though, I think it is just a mental and cultural state that differentiates you from most American players. Now, I wouldnt enjoy how you do things, but Ill keep what you say in mind when Im in my 40s and 50s. There are pearls of wisdom mixed in within your posts.

[Deb Auchery]

The women I have had in Kiev have never got anything from me apart from a couple of vodka red bulls to moisten them up a bit.

If any girl mentions Sushi before I have bedded them, I will make an excuse like i'm not hungry, allergic to fish etc.

I also agree that there is way too much talk about gifting on here. I know things are different in Eastern Ukraine than in the West, but i'm pretty confident I will do well there without taking them shopping. They will see that I am a rare commodity in Ukraine compared to the local beasts and they will want to fuck me because they want to.

Let's not forget that a lot of male visitors to places like Odessa are old men fresh off the plane from USA who flash their money around and deserve to be fucked over by the women. Or young Turks who have never been out of Turkey before and get off the plane thinking they're in heaven and will do anything to fuck a blonde princess.

[Greek kamaki]

The point is how many girls one can bed per day in Kiev without spending and if he does not posess Serbian looks.

Also you live in Ukraine.So you meet a girl through internet and you come to Kiev to meet her.Imagine the poor guy who comes for some days and he has to get all logistics right.If the girl does not happen to be in Kiev at that moment he cannot wait one more week.He does not have his logistics in order it is a totally different case.I usually refer to the short time traveller who wants to maximise his results.

[Deb Auchery]

(03-05-2012 02:15 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The point is how many girls one can bed per day in Kiev without spending and if he does not posess Serbian looks.

Also you live in Ukraine.So you meet a girl through internet and you come to Kiev to meet her.Imagine the poor guy who comes for some days and he has to get all logistics right.If the girl does not happen to be in Kiev at that moment he cannot wait one more week.He does not have his logistics in order it is a totally different case.I usually refer to the short time traveller who wants to maximise his results.

Well I recommend people talk to girls on Vkontakte and Mamba before coming to Ukraine, doesn't matter where you are in the world.

The first girl that I fucked from Vkontakte in Kiev was a girl I started chatting to a year before when I was living in Serbia. She was really sweet, told me she loved me etc.

Got there and screwed her on the second meeting, got her pretty drunk at Vodka Bar, then raw dogged her drunk at my apartment.

She figured I pulled of the condom and went to get herself checked out the next day, didn't hear from her for a long time after that.

Understand it's a lot of pressure when you're travelling to a city to fuck and only have a few days to work with. In that circumstance, I make sure my number one priority is to have fun, sex is a secondary bonus. Some of the best times of my life have been non-sex related

[Greek kamaki]

Here I explained the dynamics of rejections in clubs and how polish(and other slavic) women have resigned from the use of this weapon to our advantage.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-10593-...#pid163427

[Greek kamaki]

(03-05-2012 02:26 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 02:15 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The point is how many girls one can bed per day in Kiev without spending and if he does not posess Serbian looks.

Also you live in Ukraine.So you meet a girl through internet and you come to Kiev to meet her.Imagine the poor guy who comes for some days and he has to get all logistics right.If the girl does not happen to be in Kiev at that moment he cannot wait one more week.He does not have his logistics in order it is a totally different case.I usually refer to the short time traveller who wants to maximise his results.

Understand it's a lot of pressure when you're travelling to a city to fuck and only have a few days to work with. In that circumstance, I make sure my number one priority is to have fun, sex is a secondary bonus. Some of the best times of my life have been non-sex related

This exactly is the challenge.To operate under severe pressure.While in real world you may get no benefits by fast action due to the fact that sb superior in ladder will benefit from it in pick up one has to do everything alone so speed pays off.You cannot delegate.

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[Spike]

(03-05-2012 12:10 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Also you see Mixx has put an action where he rents an apartment for low price under the condition he fucks the girl who stays in and everyone congratulates him.I ask you if for example I rent an apartment in Kiev and give the money I get from apartment per month to buy presents and fuck girls it is not the same?What if I do the same and rent the apartment to poor students from province telling them that they will pay me a ridiculous amount if they let me fuck them?You would say you are going for whoring.Again what is the difference? It has more to do with like or dislike of the person not of his actions.

There's no condition that he will fuck the girl, where does his story say that ?

There's the big difference.

Steps followed here
1 - mixx rents out a room
2 - girl needs a room and contacts him
3 - mixx says yes because she is hot.
4 - girl comes over and brings her bags,pays him the rent
5 - mixx still has to GAME the girl and has a chance that the girl rejects him
6 - In this case and probably due to good GAMING SKILLS the girl didn't reject him. If the girl had rejected him she had just rented his room and mixx had to look for another lay
7 - the pussy was in no way guaranteed.

Mixx, correct me if im wrong here.

[Soma]

(03-05-2012 07:24 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 12:10 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Also you see Mixx has put an action where he rents an apartment for low price under the condition he fucks the girl who stays in and everyone congratulates him.I ask you if for example I rent an apartment in Kiev and give the money I get from apartment per month to buy presents and fuck girls it is not the same?What if I do the same and rent the apartment to poor students from province telling them that they will pay me a ridiculous amount if they let me fuck them?You would say you are going for whoring.Again what is the difference? It has more to do with like or dislike of the person not of his actions.

There's no condition that he will fuck the girl, where does his story say that ?

There's the big difference.

Steps followed here
1 - mixx rents out a room
2 - girl needs a room and contacts him
3 - mixx says yes because she is hot.
4 - girl comes over and brings her bags,pays him the rent
5 - mixx still has to GAME the girl and has a chance that the girl rejects him
6 - In this case and probably due to good GAMING SKILLS the girl didn't reject him. If the girl had rejected him she had just rented his room and mixx had to look for another lay
7 - the pussy was in no way guaranteed.

Mixx, correct me if im wrong here.

Clearly there's no "condition he fucks the girl." GK's description is a blatant misrepresentation of MiXX's AirBnB game strategy.

[oldnemesis]

(03-05-2012 12:10 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

If you say lubis podarki? In clubs you will have to pay first about 200 euro in shots and drinks the girls are going to suck on you. So it is not a good strategy.I ask this question only in street and malls and only in cities like Kiev and only if the girl has over the top and sophisticated appearance or is completely sexy dressed.It is the easy and fast way and almost crashes any resistance.

So you're basically presenting yourself as a sponsor and hooker magnet. But why? This is what I don't understand. If your game is based on spending money on chicks, why not just pay directly? You can two high quality hoes for 200E - and those would be guaranteed fucks.

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I do not understand why I have to repeat the same things.It is not an one way road.Now it is like playing football and telling you high kicks to the goalpost are good and you tell me that low kicks are also good. It all depends on your position and the power of kick you have.You can do the one you can do the other.There is no rule.

Well, it is more like "if you practice low or high kicks you may win once in a while, but I want to win every time so I bribe the referees". It is amusing that you're actually saying it but don't just want to admit it. Are you coming from the culture where P4P is looked down upon?

[oldnemesis]

(03-05-2012 11:04 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

Fair enough. But why not just outright buy hookers? It's faster and costs about the same. Instead he's doing a rapid fire machine gun approach to dozens of women a night, making propositions that include giving gifts to strangers for sex.

And you can guess that from those who reply to such proposition the vast majority would be hookers anyway.

I've seen it a lot in Thailand where a dude brings a semipro chick to a club and buys her and her friends drinks then fucks her. He spends 9000 baht instead of 1000 he'd fuck her for if he just paid her directly. Why does he do it? Because he thinks paying for sex is wrong, and this way he is not paying for sex. Several dudes told me it like that and they even tried to argue their position. That's what religious Puritanical breeding does to good people.

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I agree and I don't think that I was attacking him. In fact, I stated that it's not my place to judge him, but that outright paying for sex doesn't belong on this forum. I have stated my opinion and I will leave it up to Roosh.

Personally for me paying for sex is not a big deal, I have no problem admitting I've done it before and I gonna do it in future. However the "would you like to make $50 in twenty minutes?" opener is hard to consider game advice.

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You're the one judging. It's not about a stigma. It's simply unnecessary and shows a lack of confidence or respect for oneself to have to offer up a bride to feel deserving of someone else.

No, it is right about stigma. Same as masturbation or not getting laid for a year - somehow for a dude admitting doing those things here in US makes impression something is wrong with him. In Eastern Europe or Asia nobody would even care. I agree with that phrase:

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Americans feel paying for sex is too big an assault on their egos.

[Greek kamaki]

(03-05-2012 07:24 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

There's no condition that he will fuck the girl, where does his story say that ?

There's the big difference.

Steps followed here
1 - mixx rents out a room
2 - girl needs a room and contacts him
3 - mixx says yes because she is hot.
4 - girl comes over and brings her bags,pays him the rent
5 - mixx still has to GAME the girl and has a chance that the girl rejects him
6 - In this case and probably due to good GAMING SKILLS the girl didn't reject him. If the girl had rejected him she had just rented his room and mixx had to look for another lay
7 - the pussy was in no way guaranteed.

You seem naive about how this business is done.Before the rent there is a dialogue and a mini interview with the girl where the proposition takes place.

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[Spike]

(03-05-2012 10:22 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(03-05-2012 07:24 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

There's no condition that he will fuck the girl, where does his story say that ?

There's the big difference.

Steps followed here
1 - mixx rents out a room
2 - girl needs a room and contacts him
3 - mixx says yes because she is hot.
4 - girl comes over and brings her bags,pays him the rent
5 - mixx still has to GAME the girl and has a chance that the girl rejects him
6 - In this case and probably due to good GAMING SKILLS the girl didn't reject him. If the girl had rejected him she had just rented his room and mixx had to look for another lay
7 - the pussy was in no way guaranteed.

You seem naive about how this business is done.Before the rent there is a dialogue and a mini interview with the girl where the proposition takes place.

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Are you shamelessy saying that mixx pays 29dollars to bang a girl ? You are even more delusional than i thought. Mixx has game ! he doesn't need to pay anything.

[Greek kamaki]

You do not get it.Mixx puts this ad as a bait and when he interviews the girl he proposes the arrangement that she will pay the cheap price or even anything(I do not know exactly what he says) if she lets him fuck her.Maybe he leaves a hint about that but for sure he tells her.Think about it a bit.If your goal is to fuck cheap birds from all over the world and you accommodate a girl who will not fuck why should you do this?By her renting the apartment you lose another girl who would be fucked if she were in her place.So it does not make sense to rent with the low price to girls who will not fuck.

[Greek kamaki]

Another difference between polish and Ukrainian girls is that much more polish girls speak English(about 70%) since they have ambition to exit Poland and work in a western EU country.English learning is booming in Poland.Not so in Ukraine where there are serious restrictions to immigration except to Russia.

I had pointed out the importance of slavic languages back in 1999.At that time I first came to Prague to conclude that a 40% of girls spoke English but the ones who did not speak it were the most available.Since then the most Czech girls I banged spoke only Czech.Czech and polish are quite similar so I did not have a problem to adapt.Of polish though only one girl I banged spoke only polish.Of Russian no girl spoke English and of Ukrainian a 30% spoke English with the rest of girlfriends all communication was done in Russian.(and a bit polish for Ukrainian).In western Ukraine and Kiev girls speak English in a 30-40% which is not the case in eastern Ukraine and Russia where very few girls speak English so your chances if you do not speak Russian are greatly reduced.