[Deb Auchery]

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I prefer to stay in Kiev for one weekend as a king and spending 1000 euro than living there like average tourist and stay one week spending the same amount or living as a beggar and stay there for two weeks on 1000 euro.
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Hehe, 500 euro a week in Kiev is hardly beggar-like expenditure

[Greek kamaki]

Lack of middle class in Ukraine means that you pay higher prices than in the West to get the same amount of comfort.So if one does not want to compromise and does not want to drop his standards regarding accomodation,transportation,food etc he has to be prepared to spend more than what he is used to.The comforts that the average western European citizen takes for granted are purposed only for the high class in Ukraine and thus more expensive.On the other hand you live like the high class so it is not so bad.

[Subotai]

I can't remember what my response rate was (it's been several years), but it was definitely decent. The irritating thing was the amount of flakes you'd get off the site where the girl would agree to meet and then bail out at the last minute. I mean, no problem, you can walk out of your house and find a replacement in a few minutes, but still... any investment without payoff is grating.

I liked the site when I wasn't in-country. The girls look really good, they message back, everything looks like it's in your favor. Once you get in-country though, you realize it's a waste. I don't know why some people on other threads are downplaying street game in Ukraine and Russia. Street game is easy and you can always do the dumb foreigner thing: "Do you speak English? Can you tell me where X is?" If you're going to speak in English, just keep it simple. The level of English there isn't good enough to get jokes and definitely don't neg until the girl understands that you're making sarcastic jokes.

I signed back onto Mamba.ru today and remembered why the hookers post looking for a sponsor instead of putting themselves in the prostitute category. It's because the men can exclude hookers from his searches. So if they don't put down that they're a hooker, they'll still show up in your results. Clever marketing.

As far as Kamaki's statement about hookers lowering the value of a club, I respectfully, but completely disagree. Ukraine doesn't have strict face control like Russia, but even the toughest Russian nightclubs to get into had hookers all over the place. It's just expected that a few hookers will be in clubs. It's just that the hookers look better the higher end the club. The toughest clubs had hookers (and I know every jerk-off says, "I don't see why she's a hooker, she could be a model!") had hookers that really did look like they could be models. Actually better since they have to put on the sexy scowling fuck-me face to get clients. Clubs in Russia aren't for the pleasure of women. They're designed for men. Of course, normal women hate that there are hookers there, but at the high end clubs, they are trying to land rich men. Sometimes the rich men just get bored with trying to get a regular girl and say fuck it, let's grab some hookers, take them home, have an orgy and be done with it.

The clubs that were considered low-end were the ones where face control let foreigners in or even encouraged foreigners. I was upset at first to get denied access to the creme de la creme clubs with the hottest women, but then I realized, it's fine by me.. even shitty clubs over there have extremely hot women and if the women want to pre-select for foreign men only, the less work and all the better for me and my crew. Besides that, in the high end clubs (this is Russia, not Ukraine I'm talking about in this sentence), you'd better have some serious bank to compete.. you're competing with millionaires and the 20-something kids of millionaires.

[Greek kamaki]

I have written that internet use makes sense as a back up and only if you are out of Ukraine.With the parade of hot girls strolling outside it completely irrational to stay home and write messages as if you were abroad.

About prostitutes in club they probably want to exploit the fact that many men come to club to get one night stands and hookers offer the easy road to this.However they increase competition for normal women in the club.They also create a different atmosphere and vibe in the club since sex is readily available.

Prostitutes in clubs were a common sight in Czech Republic,Hungary etc in the nineties generally in all former eastern Block countries.The tradition has remained alive in Ukraine and Russia from where it probably originates.

[DrainTree]

(02-25-2012 05:05 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I have written that internet use makes sense as a back up and only if you are out of Ukraine.With the parade of hot girls strolling outside it completely irrational to stay home and write messages as if you were abroad.

About prostitutes in club they probably want to exploit the fact that many men come to club to get one night stands and hookers offer the easy road to this.However they increase competition for normal women in the club.They also create a different atmosphere and vibe in the club since sex is readily available.

Prostitutes in clubs were a common sight in Czech Republic,Hungary etc in the nineties generally in all former eastern Block countries.The tradition has remained alive in Ukraine and Russia from where it probably originates.

What about your experiences in Belarus? I thought people there were afraid to talk to people on the street and mamba.ru was actually much more useful.
For Ukraine, I'll agree..streets are full of women and most are friendly.

[Greek kamaki]

How do you know that Belarussian are afraid to talk to foreigners in the street?Yes,this is true in Minsk and eastern Belarus.

With mamba I had mixed results there.Girls were definitely interested but they were not banged in the first date which often happens in Ukraine.There is also some flake rate in Belarus same as in Ukraine.Logistics are also a bit harder in Belarus.The girls do not seem to have so much time.

[Roosh]

A 6.5 messaged me in Russian saying "Let's get aquainted." She speaks no English. Her profile pictures are normal and fully clothed, nothing even remotely whorish. Scam?

[Ami5]

(02-28-2012 01:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

A 6.5 messaged me in Russian saying "Let's get aquainted." She speaks no English. Her profile pictures are normal and fully clothed, nothing even remotely whorish. Scam?

Not really.

I had plenty of these girls messaging me up. Note that, she wrote in Russian. On her profile she says - only Russian. So it's not a big deal.

She may speak little English too, by the way, as many Ukrainians study it in English for sure. Though it's taught so badly that it's almost no use.

Use Google Translate and it'd come easier. Use simple phrases only. No philosophical deep shit or not so straightforward humor, or translator is gonna ruin it up. Try landing a meeting quickly.
Though it's tough to bang with language barrier.

[Greek kamaki]

Hookers almost never send messages.Sometimes non Russian girls send scammer messages which are easy to point put since they have a formal expression.(they are translated from another language).However if the girl looks Russian and has photos there is no problem.
Let's get acquainted is the typical form of Russian in when sb is interested in getting to know sb else.(давайте познакомится).So it is highly likely that this girl is legit but most likely she is interested for some serious relationship (marriage,visa to USA etc).

[oldnemesis]

(02-28-2012 01:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

A 6.5 messaged me in Russian saying "Let's get aquainted." She speaks no English. Her profile pictures are normal and fully clothed, nothing even remotely whorish. Scam?

Scammers targeting foreigners usually speak some decent English.
Does her profile say she's looking for a sponsor?

[Golden Boy]

(02-25-2012 08:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I wrote that the response rate is about 30% and that after 3-4 days one loses interest in internet dates since the girls walking around look much better.Internet dates guarantee some certain fucks beforehand in case everything else fails so they are like a safety net.

In fact I never failed in Ukraine.I banged girls in every single trip there even if it was for two days only.The only case I almost failed was when I went there in August and cities were empty of students most had left to summer resorts.Even then I took initiative changed completely my plans visited other cities from planed ones and managed to reverse the situation.

It is important to show flexibility if you do not like one city move to another fast.I remember back in 2004 having spent one day in every city on the route from Czech Republic,Slovakia to Ukraine till I found the perfect one.(2 cities in CR,2 cities in Slovakia,2 cities in Ukraine in a 10 days trip).

I also want to add an important point.Do not judge the easiness of girls in a given city by the response of internet girls it is highly misleading.Western Ukraine does not have a high response rate like eastern Ukraine this does not mean it is not as good or better.Also before one goes he should have some guaranteed fucks.(girls promising to stay with him in apartment) this is totally possible in Ukraine and extremely useful for the short time traveller.(girl waits for you at the airport and you get to apartment ASAP so you do not lose any time).

So Greek, tell me please in your opinion (you seem to be very experienced in travels to Ukraine) would you recommend Kiev or Odessa for ease of girls. I am tall, blond, caucasian/eastern european looking. I plan on going this summer. Anyone else such as Deb Auchery or Greek that have been to both places (Kiev and Odessa) several times, can elaborate on this? If I was only there like 2 weeks, should i split them between Kiev and Odessa, or just focus in on Kiev? My main objective is easy, good looking girls, and good nightlife. Thanks.

[Greek kamaki]

I have already written that Odessa is not a good place.Kiev is much better but only if you have money to spend.Summer(July,August) is not a good period because most students are out of town and many girls go to resorts for vaccation.

[Deb Auchery]

Has anyone figured out what and where the "dating bar" is.

It sometimes says girls are online in the dating bar, but can't find it

[Golden Boy]

(03-09-2012 03:30 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I have already written that Odessa is not a good place.Kiev is much better but only if you have money to spend.Summer(July,August) is not a good period because most students are out of town and many girls go to resorts for vaccation.

Thanks Greek, Kiev it will be. Will go probably in June or September then. Good advice.

[chairman]

(03-10-2012 05:08 PM)Golden Boy Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 03:30 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I have already written that Odessa is not a good place.Kiev is much better but only if you have money to spend.Summer(July,August) is not a good period because most students are out of town and many girls go to resorts for vaccation.

Thanks Greek, Kiev it will be. Will go probably in June or September then. Good advice.

I would not go to Kiev this summer if I were you. Euro 2012 is there and will ruin the city.

[Golden Boy]

(03-10-2012 08:30 PM)chairman Wrote:  

(03-10-2012 05:08 PM)Golden Boy Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 03:30 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I have already written that Odessa is not a good place.Kiev is much better but only if you have money to spend.Summer(July,August) is not a good period because most students are out of town and many girls go to resorts for vaccation.

Thanks Greek, Kiev it will be. Will go probably in June or September then. Good advice.

Chairman wrote:
I would not go to Kiev this summer if I were you. Euro 2012 is there and will ruin the city.

Good call Chairman, don't want to be there if it could be a Sausage Fest, complete with a bunch of wanna be hooligans running around Kiev, no thanks...
I will probably go in September then, as it will be over by July.

[Deb Auchery]

(03-09-2012 03:30 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I have already written that Odessa is not a good place.Kiev is much better but only if you have money to spend.Summer(July,August) is not a good period because most students are out of town and many girls go to resorts for vaccation.

I have not been to Odessa yet, I have heard that Odessa is mind-blowing in summer, but that does not necessarily translate into results

Kamaki why do you think Odessa is more difficult than Kiev?

[Spartan]

(03-11-2012 06:25 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 03:30 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I have already written that Odessa is not a good place.Kiev is much better but only if you have money to spend.Summer(July,August) is not a good period because most students are out of town and many girls go to resorts for vaccation.

I have not been to Odessa yet, I have heard that Odessa is mind-blowing in summer, but that does not necessarily translate into results

Kamaki why do you think Odessa is more difficult than Kiev?

I lived there 4 months this past summer. Beautiful city, great night life area (clubs right on the beach).

Girls are quite spoiled with lots of foreigners coming in, not to mention all the Ukrainians who vacation there.

On the plus side, more English speakers though not as much as Kiev.

I think a good looking guy could do quite well in clubs. I got some attention from the ladies, mainly in the clubs, not street. Its a nice place to vacation, and the people are very friendly (much nicer than Kiev). Also, the city is quite tolerant of foreigners and non-whites...by Ukrainian standards. Its a port city and has a more cosmopolitan atmosphere.

I'd definitely recommend checking it out and spending some time at the sea and Arkadia (the nightlife zone on the beach). Its an overnight ride by train from Kiev/Lviv.

Let me know if you have any questions on specifics.

[Spartan]

double post

[Deb Auchery]

An example of how you can quickly escalate on Mamba, this girl doesn't talk English, another Google translate date.

As you can see GT produces some weird translations sometimes, but they are getting me laid so I can't complain

[Ricardo_82]

Hi Kiev experts!

I'll be going to Kiev for this weekend Fr night until Mo morning. Do you have any advice of which clubs to visit for some club hunting? Will arrive very late on Friday around 1:30 am in BSP airport, so need a club there that is open until early morning and got cute ukrainian girls. Dont like hookers.

Like the street game as well, so if you know any places that are good for it, shoot!

[popeyearms76]

(04-06-2012 10:03 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  



An example of how you can quickly escalate on Mamba, this girl doesn't talk English, another Google translate date.

As you can see GT produces some weird translations sometimes, but they are getting me laid so I can't complain

For those guys here that have used Google Translate while chatting on Mamba (or any other site) to girls that no hardly any English, how are you converting these chats to lays when you meet in person?

[raf2050]

I'm reviving an old thread but I've only just finished going through this and as a new member and someone who is hitting Russia for the first time soon, it sure was useful. It made pipe-lining much more receptive as opposed to Tinder so cheers for that!