I got few golden tips as for indirect game
= Assume the burden of the conversation =
Indirect thing works best when you start talking to the girl about relevant/situational stuff which provides many topics and allows her to contribute something. That's why opinion openers open so well, cause it's a combo of a casual short story that's easy to relate to which provides some context and some simple question that allows her to talk back. It's easy to respond to that. So it's easy to have a conversation by opening like that.
By asking a question as a random stranger you ask for too much compliance too fast. The girl might answer but usually will not contribute too much to the conversation. She has nothing to talk back. You give no topics that can hook her attention. So then you're forced to ask another question or use her short response [which may be very poor] to take that conversation somewhere.
Not only that but also by asking her bunch of questions right away you put pressure on her. She's on the spot. OK you can argue that simple questions about bags are not really that demanding but remember that you're there to pick help her invest her time in you, not to answer bunch of your questions and leave. Girls often shot guys down just because they themselves don't know what to say, it gets awkward and they just leave uncomfortable situation.
In your example, it was better to start talking about sandwich bags instead asking a question and say it all as an opener:
You: Damn those sandwich bags I can't find them again.. I always seem to get lost when I come here.. I think I'm gonna give my shopping list to an employee and tell them to get the items for me, and just sit down and wait.. I think WalMart is online right? But I don't know about them, I see employees dropping stuff on the ground then pick it back up on the shelves.. Your [item] seems like it was dropped down a couple of time, I wouldn't buy that If I was you
Her: blablablabalbabla..
You see, you go in and start talking about something on your mind [the more relevant/situational the better] so you give her a lot of things to respond to. You offer value as the call it, you go first as others say, you bring something, you give her excuse to talk back. You give something first so you can ask for something later.
You also take the responsibility for the direction of the conversation. By stating opinions, making comments, telling relevant stories you make it easy for her to enjoy that interaction without having to lead it. Girls don't like to make decisions. If you wait for a girl to give you some sort of overt approval you might wait for a long time. Decide for her. You act. She reacts.
If you don't know what to ramble about to break the ice try to recall things you've experienced in life that are relevant to to her [looks / demeanor / vibe / accessories / clothing / etc] or to the situation you're both in. If nothing comes to mind just just say what you like and hate about this situation you're both in. Even that's better than asking questions. You could say "i hate those shopping bags they're never there when I want them, do only I have this kind of problem or what? [negative]" or "I love these shopping bags from this mall they're really do their job well, too bad I can't find them, can I borrow yours?" [positive]
= Lead the conversation from impersonal to personal vibe =
Ok so now she's talking back. Good. But now you have to convert that from random conversation to 'me and you' conversation. This is when all those pickup goodies come in. You can:
- misinterpret her answer: look at you, you look like a sandwich bags specialist and I'm here lost like a pinokio, how can you not help me, christmas coming, time of good deeds
- tease - you love walmart?! oh no, how could you, we're over, I'm so hurt right now..
- challenge her - your cart is full of junk, you don't seem like you count calories huh? Oh no you got cheese I can't eat cheese no more..
- add fun - it sucks right? Let's make a big scene here together and make a riot so they will learn about those bags..
- command - come here show me your cart, maybe you picked something I missed..
She says something. You say something back. Cool. But now you have to gradually turn that random convo into more 'me and you' convo so that you don't end up in the conversation land of doom.
You can appreciate something about her "oh I didn't expect you would say/do that.. I like it.. who are you? forget shopping for a moment.. I can honestly say you're more interesting than sandwich bags.."
Or show some empathy like "hey you can leave me here in the middle of this mess if you're uncomfortable with me whining about this mall.. it's ok.. I was raised in oldchool house by my grandma who taught me to be social and straightforward, just let me know if cross the line [fucking money line, it disarms anything you can overdo later on].. you seem cool normal girl who would have thought I'd met one in the mall.."
Basically, just do ANYTHING you can to gradually convey interest in her. Flirt, qualify, push/pull, etc. The convo itself should be spontaneous and all over the place like there's no agenda. But at the same time you steer that fun towards your interest. After few minutes she should KNOW you're into her, not her shopping problems. Then it's easy to take her number or go for a mini date.
The worst thing about indirect way is getting stuck in plain conversation about nothing ended by pity phone number.
= Assume the burden of the conversation =
Indirect thing works best when you start talking to the girl about relevant/situational stuff which provides many topics and allows her to contribute something. That's why opinion openers open so well, cause it's a combo of a casual short story that's easy to relate to which provides some context and some simple question that allows her to talk back. It's easy to respond to that. So it's easy to have a conversation by opening like that.
By asking a question as a random stranger you ask for too much compliance too fast. The girl might answer but usually will not contribute too much to the conversation. She has nothing to talk back. You give no topics that can hook her attention. So then you're forced to ask another question or use her short response [which may be very poor] to take that conversation somewhere.
Not only that but also by asking her bunch of questions right away you put pressure on her. She's on the spot. OK you can argue that simple questions about bags are not really that demanding but remember that you're there to pick help her invest her time in you, not to answer bunch of your questions and leave. Girls often shot guys down just because they themselves don't know what to say, it gets awkward and they just leave uncomfortable situation.
In your example, it was better to start talking about sandwich bags instead asking a question and say it all as an opener:
You: Damn those sandwich bags I can't find them again.. I always seem to get lost when I come here.. I think I'm gonna give my shopping list to an employee and tell them to get the items for me, and just sit down and wait.. I think WalMart is online right? But I don't know about them, I see employees dropping stuff on the ground then pick it back up on the shelves.. Your [item] seems like it was dropped down a couple of time, I wouldn't buy that If I was you
Her: blablablabalbabla..
You see, you go in and start talking about something on your mind [the more relevant/situational the better] so you give her a lot of things to respond to. You offer value as the call it, you go first as others say, you bring something, you give her excuse to talk back. You give something first so you can ask for something later.
You also take the responsibility for the direction of the conversation. By stating opinions, making comments, telling relevant stories you make it easy for her to enjoy that interaction without having to lead it. Girls don't like to make decisions. If you wait for a girl to give you some sort of overt approval you might wait for a long time. Decide for her. You act. She reacts.
If you don't know what to ramble about to break the ice try to recall things you've experienced in life that are relevant to to her [looks / demeanor / vibe / accessories / clothing / etc] or to the situation you're both in. If nothing comes to mind just just say what you like and hate about this situation you're both in. Even that's better than asking questions. You could say "i hate those shopping bags they're never there when I want them, do only I have this kind of problem or what? [negative]" or "I love these shopping bags from this mall they're really do their job well, too bad I can't find them, can I borrow yours?" [positive]
= Lead the conversation from impersonal to personal vibe =
Ok so now she's talking back. Good. But now you have to convert that from random conversation to 'me and you' conversation. This is when all those pickup goodies come in. You can:
- misinterpret her answer: look at you, you look like a sandwich bags specialist and I'm here lost like a pinokio, how can you not help me, christmas coming, time of good deeds
- tease - you love walmart?! oh no, how could you, we're over, I'm so hurt right now..
- challenge her - your cart is full of junk, you don't seem like you count calories huh? Oh no you got cheese I can't eat cheese no more..
- add fun - it sucks right? Let's make a big scene here together and make a riot so they will learn about those bags..
- command - come here show me your cart, maybe you picked something I missed..
She says something. You say something back. Cool. But now you have to gradually turn that random convo into more 'me and you' convo so that you don't end up in the conversation land of doom.
You can appreciate something about her "oh I didn't expect you would say/do that.. I like it.. who are you? forget shopping for a moment.. I can honestly say you're more interesting than sandwich bags.."
Or show some empathy like "hey you can leave me here in the middle of this mess if you're uncomfortable with me whining about this mall.. it's ok.. I was raised in oldchool house by my grandma who taught me to be social and straightforward, just let me know if cross the line [fucking money line, it disarms anything you can overdo later on].. you seem cool normal girl who would have thought I'd met one in the mall.."
Basically, just do ANYTHING you can to gradually convey interest in her. Flirt, qualify, push/pull, etc. The convo itself should be spontaneous and all over the place like there's no agenda. But at the same time you steer that fun towards your interest. After few minutes she should KNOW you're into her, not her shopping problems. Then it's easy to take her number or go for a mini date.
The worst thing about indirect way is getting stuck in plain conversation about nothing ended by pity phone number.