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My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Duke Castile - 02-23-2015
Scorpion, I have voiced my opinion about Krauser on more than one occasion. I dont care about his views either, I'm just deconstructing his rant for the intellectual exercise of it.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - SamuelBRoberts - 02-23-2015
”It's really frightening to see the SJW lynchmob/"burn the heretic" mentality playing out here at the RVF of all places.”
I disagree completely. Nobody's burning anybody at the stake. Nobody here is behaving like an SJW. Please think before you start slinging around insults like that.
A lot of people in this thread are sticking up for Krauser, and the vast majority of people here seem to think his PUA work is fine.
This is Roosh's house, and his rules, and they're enforced quite fairly. One of the rules is "Don't insult the other members," and Krauser's "ya'll are frontin' losers, and nobody is as awesome as I am." shtick was a blatant violation of that rule.
Same with statements like "Yeah, I totally wish that millions more people had died during the Yugoslavian wars. And also the Jews had it coming."
If he want to think that the Jews deserved the holocaust, he can go right ahead. If he want to write an essay or a book about it, by all means do so. Nobody here is trying to take that freedom away from him.
But Krauser's got no right to blatantly violate the rules he agreed to when he signed up, and then bitch about the consequences. Just as I have the right to kick you out of my house if you start ranting about the Jews during my dinner party, Roosh has the right to punt you if he thinks you're venturing way too close to race troll territory.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Kamikaze - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 03:08 AM)scorpion Wrote:
I don't understand why is everyone so offended by (or if we're being honest, feigning outrage at) Krauser's racist comments.
What I don't understand is how you can't see that people can disagree with Krauser and be offended by his views without being labeled an SJW. There are people who are not racist, and also aren't SJWs, you know.
One of the most abrasive traits I absolutely despise in anyone is that of condescension and perceived superiority, in bitches or men, when it is unwarranted. Racism, in my humble opinion, is the ultimate manifestation of this delusion.
I merely responded to Krauser's meltdown as the Dog Whisperer would a rabid dog. When a dog comes at you with level 5 aggression, you respond with a 6 or 7, or else they'll walk over you. Krauser's missive was at a level 7. When he says black people can't hang in the white man's world and that Jews, Tutsis, and Kosovans had their genocides coming, he should expect a little blowback.
I don't stand on this platform based on emotion. You guys can read Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs, and Steel," just for starters. However reductionist you find the argument, it provides evidence that populations that settled in particularly fertile areas allowed them to develop agriculture before anyone else in the world, which essentially gave them a headstart on the development of the most important weapons Europeans used to conquer Brown People; guns, germs, and steel.
People can think Krauser's views are ok, and defend his right to air them out. But when they're as utterly ignorant as I believe they are, it should also be perfectly reasonable for me to respond accordingly.
On a final note: this is one of the most frustrating things of the 'manosphere.' Every SJW talking point has absolutely 0 credence. Why again is it wrong to be offended by racist views? Is the prevailing view on the forum now that Black and Brown people are inferior? I'm hoping Krauser's temporary ban is an indication that it's not. If anything, he deserved it just for race-baiting. If anyone else does believe that shit, just keep it to yourself. It NEVER ends well on the forum.
If you do air it out, expect a response.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - worldwidetraveler - 02-23-2015
I don't have anything to add to this situation, but the whole SJW accusations had me wondering.
I thought SJW's were people who took vengeful actions against those that didn't agree with them. Like getting someone fired or posting their identities.
Am I mistaken? I don't know how others here can be compared to that type of behavior simply because they take issues with a person's opinions.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - micha - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 03:08 AM)scorpion Wrote:
I don't understand why is everyone so offended by (or if we're being honest, feigning outrage at) Krauser's racist comments. I can certainly understand why that kind of rhetoric is not permitted on the forum, but the over-the-top denunciations I'm reading in this thread are more typical of what you'd expect to read on SJW-friendly forums/blogs. Suddenly Krauser is the worst guy in the world (an opinion that apparently everyone has held for a long time, but never voiced until now, coincidentally) and all "right-thinking" people must denounce him. I find these sort of dogpiles on disgraced/banned forum members distasteful. It's just a smaller version of the spectacle we see play out in the media on the near-weekly basis when some celebrity or politician sticks his foot in his mouth and is forced to grovel for forgiveness while the entire media tells us how he's such an awful person. It's some kind of ritual humiliation that serves to reinforce group social norms and punish those who fall out of line.
And I'm not defending Krauser. I don't know him, I've never communicated with him privately or bought any of his products. You know what else? I couldn't possibly give less of a shit what Krauser's opinions on race issues are (or any other issue for that matter). You know why? Because I have my own opinions, and don't run around with piss dripping down my leg and tears streaming down my face when I read an opinion that I find offensive or that I disagree with.
It's really frightening to see the SJW lynchmob/"burn the heretic" mentality playing out here at the RVF of all places. Just demonstrates how far the cultural rot has set in, and how many men have internalized these new social norms of thought policing and enforcing conformity of opinion. It's very important to keep in mind that many of the opinions that are near-universally held here would be enough to get men fired and smeared in the media. I mean, the proprietor of this very forum just penned a missive advocating for the legalization of rape that received a great deal of attention in the media. It's very easy to imagine a near-future where everyone who posts here is considered a thought criminal. So the idea that men here, of all places, are actually whining about how offensive something was is not only absurd, but hypocritical and short-sighted. Be under no illusions: the same playbook you're using against Krauser can easily be turned against you.
And again, I'm really not defending Krauser, because I don't even know the guy. Frankly, I find the issue of his continued association with a PUA fraud and his general insults toward the community much more aggravating than his racial views. For those reasons alone I think Roosh and Tuth were justified in their actions. I just absolutely despise this culture of taking offense and feigning outrage at people who express controversial opinions.
No.
He could have done any of those things that celebrities are regularly inquisited for and no one on RVF would have cared.
Take drugs?
Hit a woman?
Have a mistress?
Sextape?
Petty theft?
Jesus, most of the things off the list "the biggest hollywood scandals" will get you rep points around here.
You can even get away with a fair amount of racism here on here and everyone will tolerate it as your opinion.
But at the end of the day everyone here is still human. And as humans there is certain shit that we just DO NOT tolerate. There is a line. There always is. For everyone.
You wouldn't defend him if he admitted to loving kiddie porn, even though you could administer your same flawed logic to that (fictional) matter, too.
Roosh and Tut decided the line is here - and I completely agree with them.
Besides, this is far from a lynching. Considering internet and forum norms this is a very civilized discussion about the events that have unfolded.
And lastly, other than SJW movements we don't want something out of him. We are not asking for an apology, for him to better himself or some other form of redemption.
He was simply reminded of what is acceptable around here and what is not. That has very little to do with the SJW hunts that downright ruin peoples lives.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Suits - 02-23-2015
I think this would be a good time to get back to dropping datasheets.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Spike - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-22-2015 11:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:
I tried to warn you guys about Krauser months ago but I was labeled a troll and was ran oft with pitchforks and torches.
But that's what we always want to do with you but back then we saw an opening in your indestructible armor.
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My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - mikado - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 03:08 AM)scorpion Wrote:
I don't understand why is everyone so offended by (or if we're being honest, feigning outrage at) Krauser's racist comments. I can certainly understand why that kind of rhetoric is not permitted on the forum, but the over-the-top denunciations I'm reading in this thread are more typical of what you'd expect to read on SJW-friendly forums/blogs. Suddenly Krauser is the worst guy in the world (an opinion that apparently everyone has held for a long time, but never voiced until now, coincidentally) and all "right-thinking" people must denounce him. I find these sort of dogpiles on disgraced/banned forum members distasteful. It's just a smaller version of the spectacle we see play out in the media on the near-weekly basis when some celebrity or politician sticks his foot in his mouth and is forced to grovel for forgiveness while the entire media tells us how he's such an awful person. It's some kind of ritual humiliation that serves to reinforce group social norms and punish those who fall out of line.
And I'm not defending Krauser. I don't know him, I've never communicated with him privately or bought any of his products. You know what else? I couldn't possibly give less of a shit what Krauser's opinions on race issues are (or any other issue for that matter). You know why? Because I have my own opinions, and don't run around with piss dripping down my leg and tears streaming down my face when I read an opinion that I find offensive or that I disagree with.
It's really frightening to see the SJW lynchmob/"burn the heretic" mentality playing out here at the RVF of all places. Just demonstrates how far the cultural rot has set in, and how many men have internalized these new social norms of thought policing and enforcing conformity of opinion. It's very important to keep in mind that many of the opinions that are near-universally held here would be enough to get men fired and smeared in the media. I mean, the proprietor of this very forum just penned a missive advocating for the legalization of rape that received a great deal of attention in the media. It's very easy to imagine a near-future where everyone who posts here is considered a thought criminal. So the idea that men here, of all places, are actually whining about how offensive something was is not only absurd, but hypocritical and short-sighted. Be under no illusions: the same playbook you're using against Krauser can easily be turned against you.
And again, I'm really not defending Krauser, because I don't even know the guy. Frankly, I find the issue of his continued association with a PUA fraud and his general insults toward the community much more aggravating than his racial views. For those reasons alone I think Roosh and Tuth were justified in their actions. I just absolutely despise this culture of taking offense and feigning outrage at people who express controversial opinions.
Why are you calling SJW people who disagree with his toxic mindset and denounce it?
Having freedom of speech does not absolve you from following the rules.
By the way , belonging to the manosphere, anti-feminism and trying to restore men's rights back does not mean that those who don't follow anti-immigration or anti-muslim views, or do not agree that discriminating against black people is how the free market should be, are just SJW or socialists or government-dependent or anti-white/anti-christian or anything like that.
Having a controversial opinion does not mean you can just spout any nonsense you think. You are absolutely entitled to having that opinion: however I can safely assume that the majority of the forum members did not come here to hear the type of message Krauser sent. If that's the case for you, or someone else, then good for these people. The rest have the right to condemn it, with the very same tool you are defending: the freedom of speech.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - casio - 02-23-2015
Just want to say @TravelerKai's post is post of the thread for me.
I agree with the idea that there is too much hate and anger involved in a scene that is supposed to be about self improvement, optimising your lifestyle, banging chicks and better understanding the female/male dynamic and thinking. If anyone likes to call me a SJW for that, go ahead.
To me it's about understanding and improving the conditions to be a better person, (and using that to seduce good looking chicks). Not about ventilating how terrible asians are, or hating on obama's healthcare act. There are other places for that.
I can see where it comes from, but I think it does more bad than good. I have some friends who I'd love to expose to game/this forum, but who would be immediately turned off because of all the political and racial slur.
A bit more OT, but as a reply:
Quote: (02-22-2015 04:45 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:I live in a city of 40.000 ppl (although with a few big cities at around 40min driving) - and I can get OKC/Tinder girls regularly. I made a thread (the only one I ever made) about it in the newb section when I joined the forum, but since then I learned to up my text game and pictures which helped me pull girls online a lot easier.
The only thing I partially agree with would be that some members might exaggerate their stories with online dating in those Tinder and OKC threads. The only time I've had results since discovering game was in person, online has done jack shit for me. As for now I chalk this up to the size of my city being way less than 500k, because even my good-looking and jacked friends are getting nothing online also.
Just to say that because things aren't happening for you, it's not possible that people are good at using online.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Sourcecode - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-22-2015 11:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:But....You were trolling..
I tried to warn you guys about Krauser months ago but I was labeled a troll and was ran oft with pitchforks and torches.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33175-...#pid656765
Quote: (02-23-2015 04:39 AM)Suits Wrote:I'll agree with you on that. rewind the forum to 2012 or something
I think this would be a good time to get back to dropping datasheets.
Back in my day we didn't have all this forum drama..
All we had to worry about was whether not a girl could point us in the direction of the nearest pet store.
New Definition
Krausering-
When trying to keep it real goes horribly wrong
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Roosh - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 04:39 AM)Suits Wrote:
I think this would be a good time to get back to dropping datasheets.
I agree. I'll leave this thread open for a few more hours in case anyone wants to share their opinion and then we can move on.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - dads - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-22-2015 12:12 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:Please do not offend my common sense by telling me and other black members of this forum that he's not a racist. If you believe anything along the lines of shit like that, you are a racist. People seem to want to shy away from the word "racist" because it sounds so harsh. They'll defend people like this because "just because they think it, doesn't mean they'll act on it" or other nonsense like that. Here is the definition of racism:
Quote: (02-22-2015 11:07 AM)Fortis Wrote:
Funny. I own his shit and got some value out of it, but I always felt a bit of cognitive dissonance whenever I've read his blog. It's like, "why am I actively defending a dude who thinks so poorly of anyone who isn't an anglo neocon?"
Frankly I find dissonance in that regard fine. If someone is an expert at Game and I can learn from him, then I don't give a rat's ass if I agree with the person on other issues.
And I don't think he is a Nazi, a true racist or some RVForum hater.
In a way that is true around the forum here - you have guys who agree with some posters strongly, give them a rep point, then when they find out that he has a different opinion on for example nutrition, economics or politics, then all the respect for the guy is gone and they withdraw that rep point, because obviously he is scum of the Earth for not sharing 100% of your opinions.
We will see what the whole rant was about - I don't think it's really serious. I hope Krauser responds to it in some fashion. He already mentioned in his recent Twitter posts, that he is not some kind of supremacist and his clients are a diverse bunch.
It may have been an error on his part to underestimate the weight of his words here - he is not a no-name member, but someone with far greater visibility being out there publicly, so guys like that have to measure their words with a little more care.
And whether he is not sacrificing enough to enlighten the fellow man - well that is a personal choice and there is nothing wrong with being focused mainly on your own life.
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A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
I don't care if someone is racist. I don't want them to lose their livelihoods or friends, or ability to have happiness and freedom to say what they want and believe. However, I do want to know if they are, so I can refrain from associating with them. When Krauser says "look, I actually have a lot of diversity in my clientele", my blood boils a bit. I doubt he's telling his black clients "I see you as an impulsive child", or his Chinese ones that they are "evil minded savages" as he takes money out of their pockets.
If you want to be a racist, be a racist. Let me know who you are so I don't have to deal with your illogical intolerance. You have the freedom to spew out whatever bullshit you want, and I have the freedom to pretend you don't exist.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Samseau - 02-23-2015
Man, when high-standing members of the community get banned it's like a family funeral. Look at all the old names popping up. Brings everyone back together.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Simeon_Strangelight - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:06 AM)dads Wrote:
Please do not offend my common sense by telling me and other black members of this forum that he's not a racist. If you believe anything along the lines of shit like that, you are a racist. People seem to want to shy away from the word "racist" because it sounds so harsh. They'll defend people like this because "just because they think it, doesn't mean they'll act on it" or other nonsense like that. Here is the definition of racism:
So I am a racist too now? Am I enjoying my white privilege as well?
Here is a selfie I took recently so you tell me:
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As I mentioned before this racism crap is a SJW weapon. Krauser in his rant insulted half of Europe incl. the Irish, the French etc.
I recently last year fucked a black African hottie (as in coming from Africa FOB). She asked me to come inside and I was actually considering it, because I would not mind having a kid with her - she comes from a good family, is highly intelligent, her sisters and cousins are cute. But of course I am not going to spread kids willy nilly and have my children be raised by single mothers.
One of my best friends is a black guy from Norway. We know each other for almost 18 years - I guess it's a form of self-hatred to spend so much time with a racist.
But so be it - call me racist - what do I care. I will now go on the Huffingtonpost comment section and let myself be called misogynist cis-shitlord there.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Enigma - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:26 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:06 AM)dads Wrote:
Please do not offend my common sense by telling me and other black members of this forum that he's not a racist. If you believe anything along the lines of shit like that, you are a racist. People seem to want to shy away from the word "racist" because it sounds so harsh. They'll defend people like this because "just because they think it, doesn't mean they'll act on it" or other nonsense like that. Here is the definition of racism:
So I am a racist too now? Am I enjoying my white privilege as well?
![[Image: giphy.gif]](http://media.giphy.com/media/YPIrsRqqO7oB2/giphy.gif)
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Rutting Elephant - 02-23-2015
"I have a black friend - aand I almost busted in a black girl - so call me racist.
Here's a photo of me ironically dressed as Hitler."
I didn't mind the Krauser apologetics, but I can't abide the post-edit hipster bonafides. Come on, man.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Simeon_Strangelight - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:37 AM)Enigma Wrote:
Is that an attempt to get me banned because we disagreed whether Parks and Recreation was a TV series chock-full with feminist propaganda or not?
You better try and ban AnonymousBosch too, because he shared my opinion later on.
@RuttingE - that's not me in the pic. And the bonafides are stupid because they are exactly in the direction of SJW-me-not-racist crap. And I did not want to go there.
That's why all the race-baiting threads are quickly closed, because sooner or later it all ends in a bunch of unfounded accusations and insults.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Aliblahba - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 06:23 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:
Quote: (02-22-2015 11:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:But....You were trolling..
I tried to warn you guys about Krauser months ago but I was labeled a troll and was ran oft with pitchforks and torches.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33175-...#pid656765
No I wasn't. Some of you guys us use the term 'trolling' like fat American feminist use the term 'creepy', when it's something you simply don't like or it goes over your head. I believe it really detracts from the forum and takes away a lot of potential next level thinking.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Rutting Elephant - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
@RuttingE - that's not me in the pic.
Edit: thar be beefs.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - game_ethic - 02-23-2015
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My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Guitarman - 02-23-2015
I liked Mr Krausers post because like myself he is British. I didn't read the post as a meltdown or an attack on Roosh or this forum but as a tongue in cheek satirical list of "opinions" some so over the top that I just laughed at them.
A peculiarly British type of ott politically incorrect dry humour.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Roosh - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:
Man, when high-standing members of the community get banned it's like a family funeral. Look at all the old names popping up. Brings everyone back together.
He was suspended for one week, so technically he's not banned. He can participate in the forum after his suspension if he wishes.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Guitarman - 02-23-2015
I do think it is incredibly charitable of Roosh to allow other PUAs to promote themselves on his forum. After all they could be seen a competition for the same market.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Teedub - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:56 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:
Quote: (02-23-2015 06:23 AM)Sourcecode Wrote:
Quote: (02-22-2015 11:23 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:But....You were trolling..
I tried to warn you guys about Krauser months ago but I was labeled a troll and was ran oft with pitchforks and torches.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-33175-...#pid656765
No I wasn't. Some of you guys us use the term 'trolling' like fat American feminist use the term 'creepy', when it's something you simply don't like or it goes over your head. I believe it really detracts from the forum and takes away a lot of potential next level thinking.
Come on man, that's being intellectually dishonest. You were implying (in the post you linked to) that his game wasn't good despite the evidence, and are now saying that his temporary ban is proof you were right about his game, even though that's not what's being criticised by Roosh. On the contrary, Roosh said a few pages ago that:
"Krauser is a very intelligent guy, and he's obviously used that intelligence to apply game successfully and come up with game ideas on his own".
If Krauser stepped over the line, be it for racial stuff or dissing the forum, fair enough. But that doesn't mean his game advice is any less valuable than it was a week ago. It's not like his opener on girls is "What's your opinion on genocides? I think they had it coming". I've also noticed a few otherwise inactive members (so inactive that I don't recognise their names) jumping in to hate on him.
Anyway, I think both sides of the debate have been covered pretty thoroughly by other members.
My response to Krauser's forum meltdown - Enigma - 02-23-2015
Quote: (02-23-2015 07:55 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:
Is that an attempt to get me banned because we disagreed whether Parks and Recreation was a TV series chock-full with feminist propaganda or not?
You better try and ban AnonymousBosch too, because he shared my opinion later on.
Listen, man. Stop taking everything so personally.
I'm not saying that to belittle you; I'm saying it as one man to another.
The gif was a joke that wasn't even solely directed at you. And you really think I'm holding a grudge about a forum disagreement over a TV show?
We had a pretty civil debate in the travel section since then, if you don't recall.
This forum is not about proving each other wrong. It's about making each other better. That is why I point out when guys are taking things in an emotional and personal direction; because it creates a toxic atmosphere on the forum where guys become bitter and resentful towards each other.
It hurts all of us.
There's no reason to be at each other's throats over stupid shit. The manosphere is stronger than ever. Many guys here are living some pretty kickass lives, yourself included.
You live in Eastern Europe for crying out loud, there's no reason to get so riled up over any of this. Just chill. I don't have a personal vendetta against you or anyone on this forum.