[JayMillz]

[Samseau]

Go to 4:30 for the good parts

10:00 to see them fire on a van of innocents picking up dead bodies

[MiXX]

If you guys are trying to say that war is hell, it is...no doubt about that. War is complete hell!

However, if your message is to try to put an end to war, you're gonna have to go through the giants that make billions $$$ selling military weapons, machines, aircraft, tanks etc to the Pentagon first.

In 2009, 74% of Lockheed Martin's revenues came from military sales. The Corporation’s net sales for 2011 were $46.5 billion - at least Apple sells iPhones (46.3B in sales 2011) not AK 47'S!

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/

So, if you had a business that made machine guns, and f-15 jets, how would you make money if there was nobody that wanted to kill anybody else? So, who really is to blame for war?


People can criticize Apple for having such an explosive year with allegations that they exploit the Chinese workers, please! Defense contractors are the real gangsters!


Mixx

[ElJefe]

(01-29-2012 12:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Go to 4:30 for the good parts

10:00 to see them fire on a van of innocents picking up dead bodies

So many unanswered questions: what kind of area was that? Was it controlled by insurgents? Why the AKs and RPGs? Who was with the journalists? Were they militia? Insurgents? What kind of insurgent activity had been going on in the area? What was reasonable to expect? Anyone carrying a gun is an insurgent? What if they were insurgents - and had gone on to plant a bomb or ambush a patrol?

This is what happens when you fight an enemy who doesn't wear a uniform. This is the reason fighting a war without an easily identiable uniform should be a capital crime. You put children in harm's way.

[Cincinnatus]

Good post MiXX.

I'm an aviation buff, love planes and flying. Was reading about some classic airliners the other day - among them the Lockheed Constellation, a staple of travel forty or fifty years ago. It eventually went obsolete, Lockheed then developed the L-1011 Tristar.

Guess what? The Tristar was a commercial failure, and Lockheed left the civilian/passenger aviation industry almost entirely, to focus on military contracting.

[BortimusPrime]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperien...ai/player/

Same assholes in charge, same morons carrying the orders out, same result.

Best part at the end when the guy's wondering why there were kids in the van: "It's their fault for bringing kids into a battle!"

[Chad Daring]

I cant even begin to imagine what thats like. There's a big lag between the point where you hear the shots fire and see them impact, that means they're FAR and the guys they were shooting at probably didn't even hear that. All of sudden woosh, everything's ripped to shit.

[mofo]

(01-29-2012 12:35 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

If you guys are trying to say that war is hell, it is...no doubt about that. War is complete hell!

However, if your message is to try to put an end to war, you're gonna have to go through the giants that make billions $$$ selling military weapons, machines, aircraft, tanks etc to the Pentagon first.

In 2009, 74% of Lockheed Martin's revenues came from military sales. The Corporation’s net sales for 2011 were $46.5 billion - at least Apple sells iPhones (46.3B in sales 2011) not AK 47'S!

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/

So, if you had a business that made machine guns, and f-15 jets, how would you make money if there was nobody that wanted to kill anybody else? So, who really is to blame for war?


People can criticize Apple for having such an explosive year with allegations that they exploit the Chinese workers, please! Defense contractors are the real gangsters!


Mixx

Interesting

[tenderman100]

(01-29-2012 12:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Go to 4:30 for the good parts

10:00 to see them fire on a van of innocents picking up dead bodies

Innocents?

Here's another take: emphasis mine.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/coll...d-anything

Quote:

...a careful watching of the video shows that the U.S. helicopter gun crews that attacked a group of armed men in the then Mahdi Army stronghold of New Baghdad was anything but "Collateral Murder," as Wikileaks describes the incident.

There are a couple of things to note in the video. First, Wikileaks characterizes the attack as the U.S. military casually gunning down Iraqis who were innocently gathering on the streets of New Baghdad. But the video begins somewhat abruptly, with a UAV starting to track a group of Iraqi males gathering on the streets. The voice of a U.S. officer is captured in mid-sentence. It would be nice to know what happened before Wikileaks decided to begin the video. The U.S. military claimed the Iraqis were killed after a gun battle with U.S. and Iraqi security forces. It is unclear if any of that was captured on the strike footage. Here is what the U.S. military had to say about the engagement in a July 2007 press release:

Quote:

Soldiers of 1st Battalion, 8th Cavalry Regiment, and the 2nd Battalion, 16th Infantry Regiment, both operating in eastern Baghdad under the 2nd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, along with their Iraqi counterparts from the 1st Battalion, 4th Brigade, 1st Division National Police, were conducting a coordinated raid as part of a planned operation when they were attacked by small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades. Coalition Forces returned fire and called in attack aviation reinforcement.

. . .note how empty the streets are in the video. The only people visible on the streets are the armed men and the accompanying Reuters cameramen. This is a very good indicator that there was a battle going on in the vicinity. Civilians smartly clear the streets during a gunfight.

Third, several of the men are clearly armed with assault rifles; one appears to have an RPG. Wikileaks purposely chooses not to identify them, but instead focuses on the Reuters cameraman.

[Nacirema]

That journalist was imbedded with insurgents. He got killed. It happens sometimes.

Journalists embeded with American troops die as well. It happens sometimes.

An out of context video clip is not "What War Is Really Like".

[tenderman100]

(01-31-2012 02:58 AM)Nacirema Wrote:  

That journalist was imbedded with insurgents. He got killed. It happens sometimes.

Journalists embeded with American troops die as well. It happens sometimes.

An out of context video clip is not "What War Is Really Like".

Right.

Here are the reasons the journalists and young kids were killed.

--The journalists were hanging with a bunch of guys who had weapons and had engaged in a firefight with US troops.

--The kids were brought to battle scene by a bunch of guys in an unmarked van who were associates of guys who had weapons and had engaged in a firefight with US troops.

Moral of the story? Don't hang out with guys who are fighting US troops.

THAT'S what war is REALLY like.

The bleeding heart anti-US assholes like Jullian Assange don't give a shit about telling the entire truth of the matter. He's a pasty-faced vermin. I hope the Brits toss him in jail and throw away the key.

By the way, the US military has something called "rules of engagement." The rules are there for a purpose. Do mistakes happpen? You bet. THIS was NOT an example of that.

You think the jihadist maniacs of the Taliban or the Mahdi army has "rules of engagement?' Yeah, sure they do...right...by the way, you like how my suicide vest looks? Those ball bearings will rip through innocent civilians no problem.

[BortimusPrime]

The irony is the people who hate these "insurgents" so much probably also jack off while watching Red Dawn.