[Hencredible Casanova]

About time!

http://travel.usatoday.com/news/story/20...52652668/1

[gringochileno]

Nice, maybe Brazil will reciprocate and make it easier for US citizens to get visas too.

[Mr.GM]

Yeah, this is good news for Brazilians and for Americans.( personally no change for me cause I have Portuguese citizenship so I can apply via Visa Waiver)

Americans will also have less red tape to come to Brazil .(visa reciprocity law)

[Walderschmidt]

Sweet!

I got deported from Brazil when I first flew there because I didn't know I needed a visa. I managed to snag a 5 year visa and fly back within a week, so I covered for now, but this is still great news.

On the other hand, I hope this doesn't mean that more Brazilians become exposed to and adopt American culture.

~Wald

[The_CEO]

Good. Hopefully Brazil will relax theirs in turn.
Apparently they toughened theirs previously, in response to the US requirements.

[azulsombra]

Great news. Getting a brazilian visa is a pain in the ass, now its their turn to reciprocate. Brazilians rising economic clout was the motivating factor for this change. The U.S. now wants those reais just as badly as it wants the chinese Yuan, it only makes sense that they would streamline the visa process for big spenders.

[Timoteo]

I think with Brazil, the relationship is as good as we treat them. If we make it hard for Brazilians to get in, they do the same to Americans trying to get into Brazil. If we relax, they'll relax. I last visited Brazil in 2001, in late February before the WTC attack that September. It was a pretty easy process then, but I haven't tried since. This is good news.

[Cincinnatus]

Good news. U.S. passport holders have had to take it in the ass from many countries in recent years, because we're so strict with their citizens visiting here. Japan is a perfect example. All foreigners are immediately fingerprinted upon entry, a move most likely inspired by U.S. requirements of foreign nationals stopping here.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(01-21-2012 12:39 AM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I think with Brazil, the relationship is as good as we treat them. If we make it hard for Brazilians to get in, they do the same to Americans trying to get into Brazil. If we relax, they'll relax. I last visited Brazil in 2001, in late February before the WTC attack that September. It was a pretty easy process then, but I haven't tried since. This is good news.

I agree. If Brazil does something to us, it's because we did something to them. No country has problems with Brazil unless they have a problem.

[UrbanNerd]

Yeah, the ONLY time I had a problem at the Sao Paulo airport was when something went down towards Brazilians at an American airport about a week before. Brazil only retaliates...never starts stuff.

[Arado]

(01-21-2012 06:55 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Yeah, the ONLY time I had a problem at the Sao Paulo airport was when something went down towards Brazilians at an American airport about a week before. Brazil only retaliates...never starts stuff.

Just commented on this here.

Quote:

Would be easier if you didn't have so many people overstaying visas and working illegally, and random ppl trying to commit terrorist attacks. Americans don't want to keep out tourists. We like foreign currency just as much as any other country.

Contrary to the "America in Decline," crowd in this forum, more people want to immigrate to the US than any other country. And guess what? Even tons of people in China still want to immigrate to the US. So we still need to control who gets in.

So unfortunately, no, we can't open the floodgates and let every random shmo into the country. But yes, I agree, it should be as seamless of a process as possible.

Sure, make it easier for the Brazilian middle class to come to America and spend their money - no complaints there. But remember that 16 million people in Brazil make less than 44$ a month. Despite the crowing of the open borders crowd, we don't want Brazil's uneducated masses flooding America looking to make a decent living and leave their shantytowns. We already have enough unemployed low skilled Americans. The visa requirement will remain.

Instead of this reciprocity posturing and diplomatic outreach to Iran, Brazil would spend it's time better trying to figure out how to reduce inequality and actually produce stuff instead of relying on their resources. Let's start with the education system.

[MiXX]

(01-21-2012 06:55 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Yeah, the ONLY time I had a problem at the Sao Paulo airport was when something went down towards Brazilians at an American airport about a week before. Brazil only retaliates...never starts stuff.

Only time I ever had a problem is when a bitchy Avianca attendant told Policia Federal that I was getting "fellatio" in my seat - those Brazilian immigration officers were PISSED!!

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-9573-p...#pid143457


Mixx

[Thorfinnsson]

I don't think illegal immigration from Brazil is a large risk from this program. Brazil isn't Mexico--it's very far away from America. To get here you need to scrounge up money for airfare, which isn't cheap. The Brazilian household savings rate is only 6.8%, and given the highly unequal distribution of income in the country I would wager that nearly all of those savings are in higher classes that either have no wish to emigrate or would not cause any problems in foreign countries. Are the poor Brazilians going to pay for plane tickets from their low wages? I don't think so.

In theory they could walk or take the bus all the way, but many Latin American countries control their borders much more tightly than we do. Mexico for instance has militarized its Guatemalan frontier to keep illegal aliens out (while hysterically complaining about our tepid attempts at border control).

So I think this will just boost the tourism of higher class Brazilians, which is fine by me. I've noticed a lot of higher class Brazilian tourists in Colorado, especially Aspen.

Then again, Massachusetts does have a problem with lower class Brazilian immigrants, but since I'm a Midwesterner I don't know how serious the problem is.

[Mr.GM]

Mexico has super-strict VISA rules for Brazilians exactly to prevent that poor Brazilians start using Mexico as a Bus route to get to America.

Brazilians don't need visas to most European countries, but the problem is that a high-number of Low-class Brazilians get deported as soon as they touchdown in Heathrow(for example).

My country is on the path to become a developed country, but the number of criminals and desperate poor people remains very high,so at least some sort of background checking for VISA applications to the US still makes sense.

*Funny thing is that Brazil is starting to face the problem of Illegal Immigration , lots of Bolivians and Haitians are paying Coyotes to enter in Brazil Illegaly , a situation that would be unimaginable some years ago

[Tail Gunner]

(01-22-2012 02:33 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

(01-21-2012 06:55 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

Yeah, the ONLY time I had a problem at the Sao Paulo airport was when something went down towards Brazilians at an American airport about a week before. Brazil only retaliates...never starts stuff.

Just commented on this here.

Quote:

Would be easier if you didn't have so many people overstaying visas and working illegally, and random ppl trying to commit terrorist attacks. Americans don't want to keep out tourists. We like foreign currency just as much as any other country.

Contrary to the "America in Decline," crowd in this forum, more people want to immigrate to the US than any other country. And guess what? Even tons of people in China still want to immigrate to the US. So we still need to control who gets in.

So unfortunately, no, we can't open the floodgates and let every random shmo into the country. But yes, I agree, it should be as seamless of a process as possible.

Sure, make it easier for the Brazilian middle class to come to America and spend their money - no complaints there. But remember that 16 million people in Brazil make less than 44$ a month. Despite the crowing of the open borders crowd, we don't want Brazil's uneducated masses flooding America looking to make a decent living and leave their shantytowns. We already have enough unemployed low skilled Americans. The visa requirement will remain.

Instead of this reciprocity posturing and diplomatic outreach to Iran, Brazil would spend it's time better trying to figure out how to reduce inequality and actually produce stuff instead of relying on their resources. Let's start with the education system.

You hit the nail on the head. People are comparing apples and oranges. Requiring a visa to get into the U.S. from Brazil was a way to prevent an easy way for people without money to get into the U.S. and to then stay illegally. If you eliminate the visa, you need to institute some type of means test to ensure that visitors are here to vacation and not to skirt immigration laws.

The point is that both countries should do what is in their national interest.

[xmlenigma]

Dude this forms gonna get swamped! When I searched Global Entry Program China Brazil, to read more about it, this was Link number 3 on google.