[bluejun]

If you are talking about up club/bar settings, sure black men have the advantage but it really depends on your looks and the disparity is minor. But when it comes to marrying or getting into a long term relationship with quality/educated white girls from middle/ upper class, Asian men will do far better. It ain't that easy in Germany whether you are black or Asian, Germans are one of the most risk adverse groups of people I've seen, you will always be in their gray area. But you will do fine, if you are a white dude from other western countries.

[Naughty_Boy]

This is the real insight about German girls:

This Video shows you the girls quality you may expect from Direct Day Game and the closing rate. But from my personal experience these Ncloses flake a lot.
Side notes:
1# This guy seems to be quite tall. The chick he Number Closes at 4:13 was in my social circle years ago and she is a quite tall part time model

2# That was in the time before Tinder - Now the closing and flaking rate will be even worse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYURFTqS2aA

Results that I counted:

16 girls I would bang
9 Number Closes
2 Number Closes of girls I would bang

From 80 Approaches

[sonderho]

(06-07-2017 12:31 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

This is the real insight about German girls:

This Video shows you the girls quality you may expect from Direct Day Game and the closing rate. But from my personal experience these Ncloses flake a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYURFTqS2aA

Results that I counted:

16 girls I would bang
9 Number Closes
2 Number Closes of girls I would bang

From 80 Approaches

I'd bang them all

[RogerThat]

Is there a stereotypical look for a German girl? Does the look depend on the region? I'm looking for either blue or grey eyes, blonde, dirty blond, or light brown hair and obviously fair (& pale) complexion.

My current flatmate told me that he likes Frankfurt because it's home to the "typical" German girl. He also stated that Berlin is a place to get diversity (more Arabs, Turks, and E. Euro immigrants). The latter is not what I'm looking for.

Where in Germany should I be if I want my ideal girl? Frankfurt? Hamburg? Munich? I'm guessing it's not Berlin...?

Example: In the US, you would find more blonde & blue/grey eyes in the Midwest - especially near the Great Lakes due to heavy Scandinavian immigration.

[Naughty_Boy]

In general there is no bigger city with your type dominating

Hamburg and Berlin are way too multi ethnical. Munich would be your choice, but if you are not tall and sporty you will struggle in Germany a lot

[droughtmeat]

There's not really a large city I would recommend. You have far better chances finding those girls in small towns and villages.

[Sky_Is_The_Limit]

(11-26-2017 05:23 AM)RogerThat Wrote:  

Is there a stereotypical look for a German girl? Does the look depend on the region? I'm looking for either blue or grey eyes, blonde, dirty blond, or light brown hair and obviously fair (& pale) complexion.

My current flatmate told me that he likes Frankfurt because it's home to the "typical" German girl. He also stated that Berlin is a place to get diversity (more Arabs, Turks, and E. Euro immigrants). The latter is not what I'm looking for.

Where in Germany should I be if I want my ideal girl? Frankfurt? Hamburg? Munich? I'm guessing it's not Berlin...?

Example: In the US, you would find more blonde & blue/grey eyes in the Midwest - especially near the Great Lakes due to heavy Scandinavian immigration.

Hannover would be your best choice. They are average in everything.

[TigerTim]

(05-31-2017 02:16 PM)bluejun Wrote:  

If you are talking about up club/bar settings, sure black men have the advantage but it really depends on your looks and the disparity is minor. But when it comes to marrying or getting into a long term relationship with quality/educated white girls from middle/ upper class, Asian men will do far better. It ain't that easy in Germany whether you are black or Asian, Germans are one of the most risk adverse groups of people I've seen, you will always be in their gray area. But you will do fine, if you are a white dude from other western countries.

There is disadvantage being "white dude" from Other country aswell, because German cultulre is very distinctive and in some ways hard to understand to foreigners. You need to learn the culture, language and social dynamics to be able to compete. Also (unless you are Dutch or Scandinavian) German men will be likely taller than you, and a lot of them are multilingual, better traveled, and have their whole shit together, including a huge social circle consisting on mostly ethnic Germans. I have worked with Italians, French, Spanish, British, Americans, New zelanders, etc in Germany and they mostly hanged out with eachother (preferably within their own nationals/community) and their contact with local german girls was limited. They However all had something in common, they spoke little or no German. What people dont understand is that Germany isnt about being white vs non-white like the US is, but is about being German and non-German, most new comers and people residing for short time will never get to experience the real culture due to logistics and for being highly Isolated or grouping with other people in similar situation.

[TigerTim]

(05-05-2017 05:38 AM)semibaron Wrote:  

http://www.p12.nysed.gov/ciai/socst/grad...mage12.gif

Here is a map of world cultures seperated by religions.

As one can see, Germany fits into the same religious group as the UK, US and Australia. Hence, if you are coming from one of these countries don't expect Germany to be very different from your home country. Germany and the Netherlands are culturally the closest non-English-speaking countries to the anglosphere.

Austria feels already quite different and has at least as much things in common with Eastern and Southern Europe than Germany.

The dutch and more SO the German character are very different than the British character. Germans and dutch are very direct and straight forward people, the british are the opposite, they usually dont tell you what they really think and all is maskes under the concept of politeness.

Anglosphere is Nothing like europe in many ways, one of it be the dating scene and the way you make friends.., Germany and NL are a world of differnce. I have felt going from Aus to UK like it was crossing a channel however it is separated by a whole ocean and a huge landmass. On the other side going from continental Europe to UK seems to be like traveling an ocean of cultural differences and social dynamics.

Austria has nothing in Common with southern europe. Austria is the definition of central Europe.

[Il Bersagliere]

All the German girls I've met on my travels make me want to slit my wrists.

[oceanic]

I'm German. Always surprised to see that some people haven't given up on German girls yet!

[Dulceácido]

Nutella....

[RogerThat]

(11-28-2017 04:57 PM)oceanic Wrote:  

I'm German. Always surprised to see that some people haven't given up on German girls yet!

I'm from the US. I'm used to overweight, entitled pigs, that have rarely traveled overseas. German girls are better looking than American girls. I'm currently in Frankfurt and I see a lot of talent. The problem is the perpetual earphones and lack of eye contact, as if they feel they're being judged by everyone around them. I'm afraid to even approach.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

I am in Germany attending college, we've got 2 female american students and the 2 are hotter than the 14 german girls attending the same class , maybe one german girl only is better, so the argument that all us girls are fat or that german girls are better looking doesn't proove anything

[kirdiesel]

(11-29-2017 03:30 AM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  

I am in Germany attending college, we've got 2 female american students and the 2 are hotter than the 14 german girls attending the same class , maybe one german girl only is better, so the argument that all us girls are fat or that german girls are better looking doesn't proove anything

I find American girls overall better looking but German girls overall are more slender than than the "Amis"

I don't think there is a typical type of German girl since here I feel like there is a healthy mix of both Brunettes and Blondes. I don't think its on the level of the Scandis but there are many many blonde girls here. Moreso than Ive seen in NYC. Also I feel like they are taller than American girls.

As far as body goes... I feel curves (outside of fat girls) are non existent here. Big hips, asses and boobs are out the window here. I am not really a butt man so that doesnt bother me much but the average German girl has a C cup AT BEST.

[Naughty_Boy]

Totally agree to kirdiesel

Despite that, getting anything here from a 7+ is unnormal uphill battle if you don't have your niche, good social circle or very very good looks (including being taller than 185cm). Girls have tremendous expectations and are not sexually as open as anglos

In Poland I got eyefucked on the street on a daily basis, in Germany once per 6 months

In Poland some drunk girls sometimes approached me during night game, never ever happened in Germany (living here since birth)

Even in London I get more female attention during one party night out than in a German first tier city going out 8 weekends in a row

It's just incredible, and it's not just me. Girls here make you work for it hard

[kirdiesel]

(11-29-2017 06:17 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

Totally agree to kirdiesel

Despite that, getting anything here from a 7+ is unnormal uphill battle if you don't have your niche, good social circle or very very good looks (including being taller than 185cm). Girls have tremendous expectations and are not sexually as open as anglos

It's just incredible, and it's not just me. Girls here make you work for it hard

I also agree with you on that. Soon as you get to that 8 and up level its murder.

In the last couple of months I met an 8 from Tinder (My third 8 from Tinder) and it was shit test after shit test over text message.

I'm in the market for an LTR these days so when she told me she was still talking to her ex regularly over text message even though they broke up over distance issues I nexted her.

But back on track about 8s in Germany... Naughty is correct. I absolutely underestimated the importance of looks here. You NEED to be fit and stylish here to have access to those upper crust chicks. You can't just ride on being American and speaking fancy English to close.

They those love those tall, man bun wearing, leather jacket, ripped jeans and boots kind of guys. Those guys do the best here. I am 5,10 and no woman has ever called me short or made a comment about my height but like anywhere else the taller the better.

I am starting to shift to more niche game in hopes to increase the quality of girls I get. I am trying predominately visit hip hop parties and more student parties where girls are way more interested in guys like me. I have found in those places black guys tend to get higher quality girls than in the mainstream venues.

I am already targeting these types of girls on Tinder with MUCH MUCH better success than when i was super liking random girls so I am fairly sure this would translate into nightgame as well.

I could go on and on about German girls and their quirkiness.

[YoungBlade]

I've only slept with one German girl, so I'm no expert, but damn are they cold.

I had written this girl off after a minute of conversation. This was during the 2014 world cup, I was watching the England v Italy game at my favorite hookah lounge, and my buddies had left. She comes in with three German guys, they order their hookah. I greet them, they ask if I'm English, and I correct them, they compliment my German, etc. Very stiff and formal. So I turn my back to them and keep watching the game.

Her IOI? She, her back still to me, casually lays her hand next to mine on the table and runs her pinky along my hand. I'm sitting there thinking, "Bitch really?" Well she was a 7/10 so I decided to go with it anyway.

I gradually start to work my way into their conversation, the men start getting protective. She goes all Frau Braun on them and eventually dismisses them when they say it's time to go home. I take her back to my shitty little apartment, we smash, and she leaves before breakfast the next day.

Cold, cold girls.

[TigerTim]

(11-29-2017 05:52 AM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 03:30 AM)Odin.fils.de.bor Wrote:  

I am in Germany attending college, we've got 2 female american students and the 2 are hotter than the 14 german girls attending the same class , maybe one german girl only is better, so the argument that all us girls are fat or that german girls are better looking doesn't proove anything

I find American girls overall better looking but German girls overall are more slender than than the "Amis"

I don't think there is a typical type of German girl since here I feel like there is a healthy mix of both Brunettes and Blondes. I don't think its on the level of the Scandis but there are many many blonde girls here. Moreso than Ive seen in NYC. Also I feel like they are taller than American girls.

As far as body goes... I feel curves (outside of fat girls) are non existent here. Big hips, asses and boobs are out the window here. I am not really a butt man so that doesnt bother me much but the average German girl has a C cup AT BEST.

There is a Germanic look in Europe and Germans are part of it. This whole set might be exotic for peoples not used to a Woman being as tall and strong looking as a men, quite often men are intimidated, I have met regurlarly german women standing at 6'1-6'2 (185-187cm) which is pretty rare to find in the Anglopshere.With Germans it happens often that you sit around them and you feel like there are not much height difference, but once you stand up you realize they are like 20cm+ taller than you. After living in countries of Northern Europe (Germany included ) you can realize how 90% of blondes in the US (and the Anglosphere in general) are fake blondes.

(11-28-2017 05:59 PM)RogerThat Wrote:  

(11-28-2017 04:57 PM)oceanic Wrote:  

I'm German. Always surprised to see that some people haven't given up on German girls yet!

I'm from the US. I'm used to overweight, entitled pigs, that have rarely traveled overseas. German girls are better looking than American girls. I'm currently in Frankfurt and I see a lot of talent. The problem is the perpetual earphones and lack of eye contact, as if they feel they're being judged by everyone around them. I'm afraid to even approach.

You are probably putting them on a pedestal, like 99% of Americans I have witnessed hunting abroad. It is hard to come from Hell on earth to greener pastures, even if Germany is far from heaven...

[Lordleon]

Just take a walk around any german city and you'll find guys who can easily be an 8 or a 9 in any other country and they're with an ugly fat duck by their side... That's Germany.

[Odin.fils.de.bor]

Lordleon, I agree... generally speaking, german men look better than their women.that is frustrating for them to have women making it hard without being that attractiv

[RogerThat]

(11-29-2017 06:17 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

In Poland I got eyefucked on the street on a daily basis, in Germany once per 6 months

I should of stayed in NYC because it was very easy to see which Euro girl was looking for dick. I assumed this would be the case here in Germany and so far, I've had the exact opposite experience. Looks like the Euro girls in NYC are on "holiday mode."

(11-29-2017 09:57 AM)TigerTim Wrote:  

You are probably putting them on a pedestal, like 99% of Americans I have witnessed hunting abroad. It is hard to come from Hell on earth to greener pastures, even if Germany is far from heaven...

My experience so far has only been in Frankfurt so it may be an isolated case. But it makes sense that this city has good looking girls: Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany > Rich guys marry hot chicks > Hot chick give birth to hot chicks. Also, Frankfurt is extremely walkable. At most, all you need is a bike and a car is a liability here. I see so many hot university girls riding bikes - this is social suicide in the US. This means the vast majority of girls here are fit. I don't come across many fatties like back home. Again, this may just be Frankfurt and smaller towns may be different. I don't know. But check out Sourcecode's post on Page 2 of this thread:

"Yea Im in Germany right now. Hamburg
Model type are Def not rare.

maybe it is a class thing. Hamburg is a pretty big city.

I havnt been everywhere in germany.But by far Frankfurt had the sexiest girls."

[droughtmeat]

German men just don't have standards and their game is meh. Plus German culture isn't very open, dancefloor game is almost non existent, people need alcohol to open up and be a bit more social, but still won't go crazy unless you're in Berlin. The girls don't really know how to dress and at 25 they CLEARLY hit the wall.
Another issue is that girls are so keen on moving in with a guy that they end up settling for whoever they think fitting to live with. German lifestyle seems very linear: go to uni, get a job, move in with your girlfriend, retire, die.

[TigerTim]

(11-29-2017 01:10 PM)RogerThat Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 06:17 AM)Naughty_Boy Wrote:  

In Poland I got eyefucked on the street on a daily basis, in Germany once per 6 months

I should of stayed in NYC because it was very easy to see which Euro girl was looking for dick. I assumed this would be the case here in Germany and so far, I've had the exact opposite experience. Looks like the Euro girls in NYC are on "holiday mode."

(11-29-2017 09:57 AM)TigerTim Wrote:  

You are probably putting them on a pedestal, like 99% of Americans I have witnessed hunting abroad. It is hard to come from Hell on earth to greener pastures, even if Germany is far from heaven...

My experience so far has only been in Frankfurt so it may be an isolated case. But it makes sense that this city has good looking girls: Frankfurt is the financial capital of Germany > Rich guys marry hot chicks > Hot chick give birth to hot chicks. Also, Frankfurt is extremely walkable. At most, all you need is a bike and a car is a liability here. I see so many hot university girls riding bikes - this is social suicide in the US. This means the vast majority of girls here are fit. I don't come across many fatties like back home. Again, this may just be Frankfurt and smaller towns may be different. I don't know. But check out Sourcecode's post on Page 2 of this thread:

"Yea Im in Germany right now. Hamburg
Model type are Def not rare.

maybe it is a class thing. Hamburg is a pretty big city.

I havnt been everywhere in germany.But by far Frankfurt had the sexiest girls."

I dont need to hear confirmation as I have now lived in Germany for a few years, and been pretty much everywhere in Germany except the East of the country (excluding obviously berlin). Germans take life too serious, good for somethings bad for others, The only thing is that aside superficial things Germany is a world away from The Anglosphere, and from the US in particular even more...

Whatever works in a country like the US doesnt work in Germany, Germans value more their freedom and it shows up in how guys are less desperate to settle down compared to American and other anglospeaking guys. I have heard countless times how American women complain in germany because of not being approached and not getting attention... Put the average German Blonde in a Major US city (specially outside NYC) and she would get eaten out of so much attention she would receive..

[Naughty_Boy]

If Germans would have no game then every foreigner would have an easy job cleaning up. I never ever met a foreigner cleaning up here with the "mainstream" Pickup nor with niche. And I am in this since 9 years, seeing the constant decline

- All Latin guys try it here with Salsa/Bachata niche
- Poles only come here for work and drive back every weekend to Poland to their women

Turks, blacks, Arabs, Russians and Asians which were even born in Germany stick in 90% to their own

German girls (in Germany!) are is like this compared to the US:

Deduct the fattiness factor
Deduct the sluttiness factor
Add having prejudices against every foreigner
Add never drinking too much
Add being boring
Add being socially cold and being suspicious to every cold approach
Add social circle importance
Add having incredible expectations due tons of good looking, tall thirsty guys on Tinder (and yes, those male Hotties don't need game)

Surely German women don't act like a total bitch if you approach them and they may even give you their number, but still they make you work hard for it

Everyone bitching on this Forum around Poland being so hard should just come to Germany. Afterwards you will try to get a Polish citizenship

But it doesn't make sense to cry about it. Find your niche or just make your money and move