[Giovonny]

Excellent work Tut,

Great detailed breakdown. I thought it was just gonna be 8 paragraphs that basically said get a girl tipsy and get her back to your place, but once I read the whole post, I saw that there is some very good insight here and even cutting edge techniques. A nice mix of old fashioned common sense and modern Game advancements. A little science and a little art. Smooth

[Tuthmosis]

(12-26-2011 03:08 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

I dont DRINK. And I'd like for the lady to not drink or drink less, as well. So, any suggestions on that front would be welcome
I like the rock climbing idea. Though a bit intense.

(12-26-2011 03:08 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

I'd like to have more non alcoholic situations as well.

I'd say that this whole framework is better suited for alcoholic situations, since alcohol is threaded throughout. If you take a girl out to tea, it's a bit less likely that she's going to want to come back to your place for "round two" of Earl Grey. The only scenario where I can envision this working (in a slightly modified version) is if a girl "can't get into bars," you do something non-alcoholic out, and then go back to your place to have actual alcohol.

That being said, I don't think drinking is absolutely essential. My belief on alcohol is that it helps create a vibe more than intoxicate (reinforcing a proto-fantasy state), since most of the time girls aren't getting anywhere close to shit-faced with me. If you can find a lounge-like place--that doesn't serve heavy food, which would l hurt you in other ways--you could probably keep a lot of this intact.

I don't believe in very intense activities as first dates (e.g., rock climbing). I think they're too time consuming, logistically complicated, expensive (compared to a round of drinks), and don't move the average guy toward sex. A girl is a lot more amenable to sex, in my opinion, when she's spent an hour in a dimly lighted room chatting with me than getting sweaty and dusty on some climbing wall. I don't doubt that people can pull it off, it's just not my schtick. Less is more.

[Samseau]

Tuthmosi Wrote:

I don't believe in very intense activities as first dates (e.g., rock climbing). I think they're too time consuming, logistically complicated, expensive (compared to a round of drinks), and don't move the average guy toward sex. A girl is a lot more amenable to sex, in my opinion, when she's spent an hour in a dimly lighted room chatting with me than getting sweaty and dusty on some climbing wall. I don't doubt that people can pull it off, it's just not my schtick. Less is more.

Of course you shouldn't do rock climbing if you don't enjoy it or haven't done it before. The point with rock climbing is something I do because I enjoy it, and I bring the girl along for the ride. She gets a peak into my life and I can see if she fits in or not.

As for drinks creating the right "bang" vibe: it's relative to each man. For you, it works well. For me, the results are mediocre. Drink dates result in bangs less than half the time, whereas rock climbing, a novel activity most women have never done, gives me a high return on investment. I've taken 4 girls rock climbing this year. 3 of them have been bangs. I compare that to my 6 drink dates I've had this year, 2 of which led to bangs. (I don't do dates very often, heh heh...)

Drinks cost 5-10 bucks a pop. Rock climbing for one evening is 28 bucks per person. Drinking makes you fat. Rock climbing makes you strong. The costs are comparable. I don't take every girl I meet rock climbing, but for the ones I want to create a strong first impression, I do.


Rock climbing also helps you get the bang, way better than drinks do, from my experience. Why do rock climbing dates kick so much ass?

1. It's a DHV. You're a man, she's a woman. If you're in shape, which you should be, you'll be scaling the wall no problem while she's trying to get her belt buckle properly attached. She'll make it halfway and fall down, all tired. Then she'll see you run up the wall like it's nothing.

Complete DHV tactic here. She automatically feels inferior and you get to play it off as the cool, dominant guy that shows her how to climb the wall. It's the same techniques I use while leading a dance. I get to be in control by virtue of superiority.

2. Endorphins. The endorphin rush of heavy exercise makes women just as horny, if not more, than alcohol does. This has been my universal experience. I've made out with girls right in the gym, because I after an hour or so of climbing they're worked into a more frenzied state.

One girl, after her first run up the wall, came down and was shaking uncontrollably from being so nervous. She grabbed onto my shoulders and started to make out with me right there. I've never seen alcohol do that.

This is also why dancing gets girls so fucking horny too. Even when girls aren't drinking, dancing makes them wet. That's also how I get girls under 21: I find dancing events where they might be, and dance with them there. There's no booze, but, sure enough, I can pick up girls there, because of the endorphin rush that comes from intense activity.

3. Novelty. Plenty of schmucks have taken girls out for drinks. How many have gone rock climbing with them?

Finally, keep in mind the differences between our game: you do Day Game and Online Game, I pretty much use Night Game. I usually meet these girls when they are already drinking, or surrounded by drinkers. Then I take them out for another drink date? Can you think of a lamer kind of date? Compare that to Daygame or Online game, where drinks are logical way to meet someone for the first time.

[Tuthmosis]

(12-31-2011 04:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

As for drinks creating the right "bang" vibe: it's relative to each man. For you, it works well. For me, the results are mediocre. Drink dates result in bangs less than half the time, whereas rock climbing, a novel activity most women have never done, gives me a high return on investment. I've taken 4 girls rock climbing this year. 3 of them have been bangs. I compare that to my 6 drink dates I've had this year, 2 of which led to bangs.

We're not in that much disagreement. I'm all for intense activities as dates, just not as a first. It works well on subsequent dates, especially if you want to cement an FWB situation or as way to make in-roads on a non-drinker. They are potentially very powerful tools. I think the first date--and the purpose of the original post--is best focused on getting on the shortest, cleanest, smoothest course to the lay.

My sense is that rock climbing, while fun, is a lot more work than a simple walk or ride to the local lounge. The logistics are doubly complicated, at least.

(12-31-2011 04:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Drinks cost 5-10 bucks a pop. Rock climbing for one evening is 28 bucks per person. Drinking makes you fat. Rock climbing makes you strong. The costs are comparable. I don't take every girl I meet rock climbing, but for the ones I want to create a strong first impression, I do.

One round of drinks--for two people--is therefore 20 bucks, at most. Rock climbing is 56 for the two of you; more than double. That doesn't include gas money and food expenses (because you're likely to be hungry before or after). If you're not looking to spend that kind of money, you're also stuck in the additional--and for many guys awkward-- situation of having to angle to get her pay for her own rock-climbing fee. What's more, I'm willing to bet most guys don't have a rock-climbing wall within 5-10 minutes of their apartments. You have to drive, pick her up, drive to the place, drive back, and then isolate her later. You're going all over the place.

As for the fatness, I'm not saying you shouldn't exercise--just not on your first date.

(12-31-2011 04:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

1. It's a DHV. You're a man, she's a woman. If you're in shape, which you should be, you'll be scaling the wall no problem while she's trying to get her belt buckle properly attached. She'll make it halfway and fall down, all tired. Then she'll see you run up the wall like it's nothing.

Sure, but there are many, simpler ways to display DHV. This might come across as going to great lengths to show off skills rather than keeping things simple and manageable.

(12-31-2011 04:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

This is also why dancing gets girls so fucking horny too. Even when girls aren't drinking, dancing makes them wet. That's also how I get girls under 21: I find dancing events where they might be, and dance with them there. There's no booze, but, sure enough, I can pick up girls there, because of the endorphin rush that comes from intense activity.

Dancing is another matter entirely. It's a much simpler, more accessible activity, and--though it wouldn't be my first choice--something I might do it as a first date. As an experienced, advanced-level partner dancer (and former teacher), I could easily DHV with dancing. But, I'd rather keep that bullet in the chamber, in case I don't secure the bang on the first outing. What's more, I don't have to deal with the sausage factor on a girl I haven't really secured very much yet.

The first date is the "getting-to-know-you" meeting for me. We'll invariably talk about some of the things I do (and, frankly, she does too). The frame is that if she's cool enough, I'll take her on cooler activities. She doesn't just get to do the awesome things in my life with me automatically.

(12-31-2011 04:13 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Finally, keep in mind the differences between our game: you do Day Game and Online Game, I pretty much use Night Game. I usually meet these girls when they are already drinking, or surrounded by drinkers. Then I take them out for another drink date? Can you think of a lamer kind of date? Compare that to Daygame or Online game, where drinks are logical way to meet someone for the first time.

This is an important distinction--though a little incomplete. While I don't confine myself to Day or Online game, this framework does presuppose very little interaction with the girl so far (which I point out in the original post and/or subsequent follow-ups). This often happens at night when, for instance, you only got to chat the girl up for a few minutes before she gets pulled away, or when you're running street game. You get a nice warm phone number, and reasonable expectation for a first-date situation.

That first date doesn't have to be a creative masterpiece. It's just a get-together-and-chat scenario. The assumption on both sides is that if you get along, you'll do more. In my experience, girls aren't looking for massive entertainment or mind-blowing activities at this stage. They're intrigued, and my job is dangle that carrot all the way to my bedroom. Well-placed intrigue, in my opinion, is even more powerful than a shot of endorphins for a gender (women) that is exceptionally nosy and inquisitive.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not knocking your method. I have no doubt that it works for you and others. This is simply a different type of scenario--one, I'd argue, that applies to more situations than it doesn't.

[soup]

I just ran the template on a girl I met online tonight. Got her back to my place, but no bang and she just left. Trying to figure out where I fucked up.

I think it might have been when we got to my place- I went to use the bathroom. Came back and she was messing with her iphone.

I think I might have mentioned going back to my place to early in the convo, and it gave away my intentions. Is there a benchmark point to judge when to drop the invite? I think it's not just a time thing, maybe some other indicator??

[Tuthmosis]

(01-02-2012 02:22 AM)soup Wrote:  

I just ran the template on a girl I met online tonight. Got her back to my place, but no bang and she just left. Trying to figure out where I fucked up.

I think it might have been when we got to my place- I went to use the bathroom. Came back and she was messing with her iphone.

I think I might have mentioned going back to my place to early in the convo, and it gave away my intentions. Is there a benchmark point to judge when to drop the invite? I think it's not just a time thing, maybe some other indicator??

Nothing is a 100 percent, of course, but I'd be curious to hear some more details. Might be worthwhile to break it down, to see if you went astray somewhere.

Some questions:

1. What's your bachelor-pad setup?
2. What happened (and didn't) at your outside venue?
3. How was your make-out escalation?
4. How long was she at your place?
5. Did you go to the bathroom immediately after getting home?
6. Did you serve up drinks, start up some music, chat her up?
7. What excuse did she use to leave?
8. Did you get beyond a simple kiss (or vanilla make-out)?
9. How did you get her to your place?
10. What was your outside venue like?

[soup]

For last night's date:

1. When I used the framework last week, it worked like a charm. My pad is set-up so that kitchen is in a separate part of the house from seduction location (my studio space/bedroom). I usually leave them in the sed location when I go to fetch a beer or drink. This is because my roommate's room is connected to the kitchen, and if he comes out to talk to me when I enter, it would be introducing another presence into the game. My gut says there is something about letting the girl be alone that can break the state if she's not intoxicated.

2. We made plans to meet at a bar near my house. Time comes and she texts me that she wants to meet at another bar that is actually closer to my house. Both bars are cozy little local hangs. BTW she doesn't yet know where I live. I agree and go to meet her. She's there with her roommate (girl), drinking beers. There's what feels like an awkward moment when I had to turn my back to them to go to the bar to order a drink- I'm pretty sure they were making the judgement.

Roommate leaves, and I take her seat (alcove seating). Dropped bachelor pad baits: drinks, music, art, and as we were finishing the first round, I suggested we go back to my place and I could make the drink etc. She looked at me and said "maybe.." I think this was a major bungle point.

Also, she's a bartender and lives in the neighborhood as well. Her bartender friends all stopped in and said hi to her etc. This made it even more important to not go for make-out at the venue I think. BTW this girl is probably like a 5.

She's very stiff, but I punctuated the conversation with light touches on her arms and legs, eventually keeping my hand on hers and then on her leg. At some point she gets up to use the bathroom and comes back.

I buy the second round (because she already had a beer when I arrived), and when we finished, we went back to my place.

4. Shoes off, music on, I go to fetch a couple of beers. Come back, and she's fidgeting with iphone. Give her a beer, and then I go to the bathroom. When I return, she's back on phone. It's really hot in my pad, but she still has her coat on and bag slung around her shoulder.

Show her some art that I made on my computer. She shows me some of hers. I go for kiss. As I'm coming in, I'm getting a slight "no" vibe, but she goes for it anyway. Kind of awkward I guess. Sometimes I can't tell with these stiff girls if they are just waiting for you to make the bigger moves or if they are poker faced because they aren't ready.

So, after some talking, I go for another kiss. She's kind of into it, but is still icy. It probably took me 10 mins from entering my house to going for kiss. She finishes the beer, and is like "I should go." Puts her shoes on. I go for one last kiss, this time I reach around and grab her by the ass and jut my junk into her crotch. We kiss for a bit, and then she's out.

Total time at bar was like an hour or two. Total time at my pad was probably under half an hour.

The whole thing felt like an up-hill battle, which rarely ends in a bang for me. Did anything seem obviously off to you? I'm going to try running it again tonight on a different chick.

[Tuthmosis]

Good details here. My sense is that this was doomed from the start, since she showed up with a roommate to begin with. Her state-of-mind was that this was something less than a "date." When a girl doesn't go in 100 percent on just going on date, it's going to be a monumental struggle to get her to go beyond that.

(01-02-2012 12:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

1. When I used the framework last week, it worked like a charm.

Good to know that it's worked in other situations for you already.

(01-02-2012 12:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

My pad is set-up so that kitchen is in a separate part of the house from seduction location (my studio space/bedroom). I usually leave them in the sed location when I go to fetch a beer or drink. This is because my roommate's room is connected to the kitchen, and if he comes out to talk to me when I enter, it would be introducing another presence into the game. My gut says there is something about letting the girl be alone that can break the state if she's not intoxicated.

This is solid reasoning. I agree 100 percent.

(01-02-2012 12:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

Roommate leaves, and I take her seat (alcove seating). Dropped bachelor pad baits: drinks, music, art, and as we were finishing the first round, I suggested we go back to my place and I could make the drink etc. She looked at me and said "maybe.." I think this was a major bungle point.

You simply had too much distance to travel. You went from a pseudo-date with her roommate in tow to trying to get her home. It was a big leap.

(01-02-2012 12:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

Also, she's a bartender and lives in the neighborhood as well. Her bartender friends all stopped in and said hi to her etc. This made it even more important to not go for make-out at the venue I think. BTW this girl is probably like a 5.

The constant interruptions and feeding of her social-butterfly muscle didn't help your cause. Even though this venue was closer to your house, it harmed you because it was her home territory and you didn't get an opportunity to pull her into your world. You basically never had full, uninterrupted isolation--a requirement to set up a sufficient amount of comfort and "charming."

(01-02-2012 12:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

I buy the second round (because she already had a beer when I arrived), and when we finished, we went back to my place.

You probably had no choice, but a second round--at the same place--already sets a different mood. You've now set up a scenario where the venue itself was the destination and not just a stop along the way. You anchored yourself there, through no fault of your own, though.

(01-02-2012 12:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

4. Shoes off, music on, I go to fetch a couple of beers. Come back, and she's fidgeting with iphone. Give her a beer, and then I go to the bathroom. When I return, she's back on phone. It's really hot in my pad, but she still has her coat on and bag slung around her shoulder.

You did the right thing, but this girl was obviously checked out (since she never really checked in). I'm actually surprised she went home with you at all. You might have put the smack down on her cell phone use by casually asking her is she was "one of those phone addicts" or told her to take off her coat and "get comfortable." She might have been super resistant, but a tiny bit amenable if you'd worked hard at clearing her head from all the bullshit that had just happened.

(01-02-2012 12:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

So, after some talking, I go for another kiss. She's kind of into it, but is still icy. It probably took me 10 mins from entering my house to going for kiss. She finishes the beer, and is like "I should go." Puts her shoes on. I go for one last kiss, this time I reach around and grab her by the ass and jut my junk into her crotch. We kiss for a bit, and then she's out.

You probably went for the make-out too soon. You had to get her our of the state she had been put in by running into all those people and having you be just one of a series of social interactions that night. She wasn't sufficiently warmed up which, to be quite honest, may not have been possible that night.

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The big take-away here is that you should eject from situations where the deck has obvious been stacked against you. She hand-picked this venue for a reason. In general, I don't let a girl pick the first-date venue because of this. They will likely know people there or like it for reasons that are not going to be favorable to me. Remember: girls have totally different priorities than us.

In your case, you went along with it because it was closer to your place and you got seduced by what seemed like equal, if not better, logisitics. I can't blame you for that. But, once you saw that the roommate was there--and that your target was already drinking--you should have known that you were simply an accessory on her night. You should have bounced to a intermediate, hopefully nearby, venue with some excuse. This would have created a mental break in the night. You were starting over. These were less-than-ideal circumstances, so it's a matter of how to salvage this situation. Once at your place, you didn't do enough to "clear her palate" from everything at the bar.

It's interesting that you mentioned this girl was a 5. I find that plainer-looking girls are more this way. They protect their assets more than a hot girl does.

[Samseau]

Tuth Wrote:

It's interesting that you mentioned this girl was a 5. I find that plainer-looking girls are more this way. They protect their assets more than a hot girl.

What is up with this? If a girl feels you're out of her league, she's never putting out. Sometimes I think their ego's are softer than ours.

[soup]

(01-02-2012 04:16 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Tuth Wrote:

It's interesting that you mentioned this girl was a 5. I find that plainer-looking girls are more this way. They protect their assets more than a hot girl.

What is up with this? If a girl feels you're out of her league, she's never putting out. Sometimes I think their ego's are softer than ours.

I've noticed this with other 5s and Plane-Janes. Maybe they are actually more difficult to game because they exist in a kind of grey area. There are a lot of contradictions that come up, and maybe her mind is thinking:

Why would a higher value guy go for me unless he's desperate?

or

I can't be easy otherwise he'll walk all over me like the last few guys.


Does anyone have links on how to game the medium value chicks? It's not my main goal, but I feel like I should be slaying them with little resistance. After all, aren't they supposed to be easier to game than 8s and 9s?

I want to be able to handle all situation types.

Tuth, good points, thanks. Frame control really is key. So, would you have just walked at upon seeing her with the roommate? We should start a list of no-bang indicators, like when a girl brings up an ex or some other guy on a first date.

[soup]

I just re-read your original post, and I think I may have fucked up on holding her hand and legs too early. As far as telegraphing intentions, that's almost like going for a kiss. Going to try not to escalate so much at the bar tonight..

[soup]

Made adjustments on tonights date, got bang. She had a very well proportioned body (awesome doggy), and I believe she had fake tits. Said she was a yoga teacher.

I did do one thing different- bounce to another location before coming back to my pad.

I've run this template three times, and here's what I've noticed:

1. It works well on girls who are DTF from the get-go, but just need you to run game so they know you aren't a social retard. For me, it has not worked towards convincing a girl who is either on the fence or decidedly against- but that may have been due to my pushing kino before reaching my house.

2. I think this is most important part- the crucial thing is to not make your intentions clear until you get home. Then you can work them through the kino stages. Especially on a week night- girls have a strong sense of decorum, and braking social norms is a no-no. That's why the kino-in-private thing works so well as an LMR diffuser.

Third is the "no-shoes house" thing. This is just pure artistry. Thanks again Tuth!

[xmlenigma]

A yoga body is the best toned & shaped body with the right amount of natural curves without extra baggage - Details on how you found & picked her?

[soup]

Got her offline. Check out the Okcupid thread for info on that. Yeah, she had an awesome skinny waist to firm ass ratio- like an hour glass.

[JayMillz]

Thanks for the quality post and even if my paradigm is different it's still food for thought!

[loosewin]

(01-03-2012 02:56 AM)soup Wrote:  

Made adjustments on tonights date, got bang. She had a very well proportioned body (awesome doggy), and I believe she had fake tits. Said she was a yoga teacher.

I did do one thing different- bounce to another location before coming back to my pad.

I've run this template three times, and here's what I've noticed:
1. It works well on girls who are DTF from the get-go, but just need you to run game so they know you aren't a social retard. For me, it has not worked towards convincing a girl who is either on the fence or decidedly against- but that may have been due to my pushing kino before reaching my house.
2. I think this is most important part- the crucial thing is to not make your intentions clear until you get home. Then you can work them through the kino stages. Especially on a week night- girls have a strong sense of decorum, and braking social norms is a no-no. That's why the kino-in-private thing works so well as an LMR diffuser.

Third is the "no-shoes house" thing. This is just pure artistry. Thanks again Tuth!

Can you break this down a bit more. How are you acting differently if at all at the second venue. What are you doing back at your place. Are you taking it a bit more slow. How's is it going down at your place.

I've gone out with two girls and both have said no to coming back to my place. But on both occasions it's been kinda late on a weekday. Maybe I need to cut the date shorter and be sure to pull the plug on the date by 10 ish? I've been meeting these girls around 7:30-8...

[soup]

Rob,

I used the second venue to build a little more comfort. That's the whole point of bouncing. Also, I knew the owner of the second venue, so it built social value.

I think the key to this is that you don't push into romantic kino until you get her back to your house. It's not like picking up some girl on a weekend who is going SNL no matter what. This is a Sunday-Thurs game. The girl that this template works on wants to get fucked, but she wants that plausible deniability. Or at the very least, even if is she is super horny, doesn't want to look like a slut in front of people.

So, you build a ton of comfort in the bar, but also the attraction going subtextually via shimmering kino. That is, very targeted kino that shows her that you are are competent/comfortable touching a girl socially, but you are not a sex crazed or clingy creep. She needs to feel like everything that's happening is just the norm for you. That yoga girl kept commenting on how she wasn't expecting to come over and fuck me. Her hamster was spinning, but I out paced him. My reality won out over her rationalization machine. Deep down, she wanted to get fucked, and I outpaced her thoughts with game, specifically by following the template.

[loosewin]

Maybe this is a stupid question. But when do you hit her up with the "lets go back to my place". Before leaving the venue? or once outside.

[Blaze Frazier]

(01-04-2012 10:50 PM)loosewin Wrote:  

Maybe this is a stupid question. But when do you hit her up with the "lets go back to my place". Before leaving the venue? or once outside.

Before leaving. Plant the seed in her mind and go from there. Once you're outside, you need to deal with any number of outside factors.

[Tuthmosis]

(01-04-2012 12:36 AM)soup Wrote:  

So, you build a ton of comfort in the bar, but also the attraction going subtextually via shimmering kino. That is, very targeted kino that shows her that you are are competent/comfortable touching a girl socially, but you are not a sex crazed or clingy creep. She needs to feel like everything that's happening is just the norm for you. That yoga girl kept commenting on how she wasn't expecting to come over and fuck me. Her hamster was spinning, but I out paced him. My reality won out over her rationalization machine. Deep down, she wanted to get fucked, and I outpaced her thoughts with game, specifically by following the template.

Very well put and done. This really hits at the core of this approach.

(01-04-2012 10:50 PM)loosewin Wrote:  

Maybe this is a stupid question. But when do you hit her up with the "lets go back to my place". Before leaving the venue? or once outside.

You don't suggest actually going to your place until you're near leaving, but you've set up the groundwork by dropping your place into the conversation much earlier. (Waiting till you're outside would entirely too late.) This is what I referred to as an "aha! moment" in the original post: where you seemingly connect the dots between an earlier conversation topic (about your place) and your next venue (e.g., for "a second round" of drinks).

[gringochileno]

This is awesome. I'm definitely gonna be trying this template. What do you think about incorporating a venue change before you try to get her back to your place? I usually take girls to a hipster-ish coffee shop before I bounce to a bar for drinks and I think it's a pretty solid move for dilating her time perception and increasing her comfort level. I guess the argument against this would be that it might get too late once you propose the round of drinks at your pad but if you start around 7:30-8:00 and don't spend too much time at the first venue I don't see that being an issue.

[Hallasan]

While a significant part of Tuthmosis' amazing strategy revolves around preparing the pad for lays, it is not critical.
I cannot bring a girl to my place currently, yet much of his steps still work well.

I go to her area, to make it logistically feasible to go back to her place.
I go for the hand hold after the first venue, and use touch at the second to build attraction.
I never kiss her until we are inside her place.
Getting inside and letting her get comfortable/wonder if you'll make a move, is gold.
The rest is too easy.

I had one girl who said after leaving the first venue something to the effect of:
I don't know where you're going, but I'm going home.
It took microscopically minimal effort to convince her to let me go home with her. There had been zero touch up to that point.
It took HOURS to get the bang, she clearly did not want me to think she was an easy lay.
She said "I will not have sex with you tonight" about a dozen times, but I could tell she did not want me to stop trying.

[Screwston]

I like it Tuth. Simple yet effective.

Just thought of this. Chad Daring recommended it a while back and its such a slick move. If you're a playa on a budget....get a bottle of Grey Goose or some trendy shit and kill it. Keep refilling it with your cheap vodka and letting girls know that you only have Grey Goose. I've had girls refuse to drink until they see the Goose bottle because "its a clean drunk". Bitchesssss.

[Deluge]

(01-06-2012 04:59 PM)houston Wrote:  

I like it Tuth. Simple yet effective.

Just thought of this. Chad Daring recommended it a while back and its such a slick move. If you're a playa on a budget....get a bottle of Grey Goose or some trendy shit and kill it. Keep refilling it with your cheap vodka and letting girls know that you only have Grey Goose. I've had girls refuse to drink until they see the Goose bottle because "its a clean drunk". Bitchesssss.

And they'd never be able to tell the difference!

Also for underage guys, get the girl over to your place to "watch a movie". Put on a horror movie or a thriller and then when it's time to offer her a drink go mix one in the kitchen (daddy's liquor) without telling her it's booze till you hand it to her. After you're through a couple of scotch and cokes make all your moves on the couch (I've yet to find a way to bounce to the bedroom in this situation).

Also if she's a teen or something steal third base while she still has her clothes on by fingering her from behind from inside her panties. I got the move from DiCarlo's Escalation Ladder. When it's time to undress her tell her to take her clothes off with the excuse that you want to go down on her. Then tell her to take off her bra or better yet unhook it yourself while your eating her out. After a few minutes of that just slide up her body and tell her to wrap her legs around your waist.

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I had one girl who said after leaving the first venue something to the effect of:
I don't know where you're going, but I'm going home.
It took microscopically minimal effort to convince her to let me go home with her. There had been zero touch up to that point.
It took HOURS to get the bang, she clearly did not want me to think she was an easy lay.
She said "I will not have sex with you tonight" about a dozen times, but I could tell she did not want me to stop trying.

A battle of wills . Her Social programming vs What she actually wants to do. I think girls do that on purpose to feel won over and to then shell out responsibility to you. "I did tell him I was going home" lol.

Still an awesome post. So funny I was doing the opposite, would kiss them too much and they would really give resistance. Then again, I knew they'd be more comfortable if it was my place than theirs plus I lived too far away with parents lol.