[Batata]

Managed to isolate a girl, 7/10, from a group of three guys tonight (one was a friend), and we had about an hour long conversation. She was very receptive at first, and we built a great connection throughout the time we talked. In the meantime, some guy, presumably another guy trying to "game" her was dropping into our conversations every 20 minutes or so, handing her a drink. I thought nothing of it, as she tacitly accepted the drink and ignored him.

Great for me. I asked her if she wanted to go out for a cigarette to gain even further isolation, and she agreed even though she doesn't smoke. She watched me smoke while I made more conversation. At this point, she started initiating physical contact with me and I was ready to take the interaction to the next level.

A friend walks up to me.

"You know she has a kid, right"?

"What the fuck, seriously?"

"Yeah, and she lives in the same apartment as the dad, and that kid who kept bringing her drinks is the dad's best friend."

"..."

So throughout an 1+ hour long conversation, this stupid whore never once brought up her relationship status, the fact that she had a kid, or that she even lived with the dude who was buying her drinks. You could have never told by looking at her body that she'd pushed a human being out of her vagina, as she was pencil-thin (had big, awesome boobs though). She also said she was 23 years old.

Felt like a waste of a night because I had to drop the interaction completely at that point. Didn't even say bye. Just walked away.

#Whores

[Batata]

Also, I want to know what you guys think about the sociosexual psychology behind all of this:

1. She was out with her baby daddy's best friend, who is also her roommate (and the dad's roommate).
2. She's out letting herself getting gamed up by other guys and telegraphing her intentions to fuck other guys.
3. She's not even going out with the dad or staying with her child on a Friday night.

I'm thinking that the dad is some hyper-beta who got (un)lucky and knocked up a decently hot chick.

[Mr Scruff]

So basically you're saying she's good looking, out there clearly to get laid, jumps on you and you turn down obvious fuck just because she has a kid? Maybe they both have an open relationship, take turns to go out and get laid while the other one looks for the baby, and maybe the dad *is* extreme beta. Who cares.

[Smoker]

You see what you did there, right? You assumed all sorts of shit that may or may not be true.

You're right in that a woman who has a kid with a guy that she's living with *most likely* is not out looking to bang other guys, but this one IS out. You can't assume that she's not dtf. The only way you'll know for sure is to escalate. You were in the prime position to do so but you gave up based not on her reaction, but on your assumptions.

I have a story that is similar.

Years ago, I went to Spring Break with a friend of mine who was part of a larger group. (I didn't know anyone at first.) We went down by bus and just as we were rolling into Orlando, my buddy tells me he's not going to go out with me to party. I'm like, fuck this, and I lean over to a group of friends across the aisle and say, "my wuss friend says he is too tired to go out," (it was a long ass bus ride, true, but I'm here to party, dammit!), "are any of you guys interested in going out to party with me?"

A few of them say yes and I say, "cool, we'll meet up after check-in."

I go out and get friendly with that group while my friend goes to bed.

Now it so happens that this group of 7 or 8 friends also included the hottest girl on the bus. This girl was friendly with me, and although I was hoping she was into me, I was a shy person with girls. I rarely made an overt move in those days. The group seemed cool, she was friendly, we had a good time. Today, I would have taken her friendliness as it was meant and would try to find a way to isolate, but I wasn't the same guy back then.

Next night, I go out with the group again. We drink like young adults do in Daytona, getting drunk. This girl continues to be very friendly with me. My hopes go up but I don't know how to play it. I knew nothing about tactics back then, plus I was shy with girls I liked. Additionally, I was much more relationship-minded and hooking up with girls meant basically they become your girlfriend. A little later, I'm standing around with some of the group's people around the dance floor and her fat little friend leans over and says to me, "you see that?" I'm like, "what?" She says, "those guys trying to dance with her and hit on her over there on the dance floor. They are so wasting their time. She has a boyfriend at home so they'll never get anywhere with her."

That right there caused me to think, without any room for doubt, that she could not possibly be into me. She was just being friendly and that was that. After all, she has a bf at home waiting for her, so she must just be here to blow off some steam (not some guy like me!) and have fun with friends.

A bit later, this chick comes up to me and says she's hungry and asks me if I like to go get something to eat with her. I say sure and we go. Today, I would know this is a clear fuck-me signal and that she wants me to isolate her. Back then, I didn't see it as much more than friendliness. I went out to get something to eat. What did we do? We ate! Then I said let's get back to the group at the bar. An hour later, she tells me she's too drunk and needs air - to go for a walk with her. I do. I hold her steady to walk. We sit in a fucking chair together and all I do is gay ass shit like brush her hair back. To be fair, she did end up puking so at that point, nothing was going to happen anyway, but still.

Third night, after doing funnels by the pool all day, playing water polo in the evening with her all over me (even when I didn't have the ball. LOL), we go out again drinking as a group. AGAIN, she says she's hungry and wants me to go with her. This time she says, "why don't we just go get something small at the convenience store and take it back to my room?" I'm like, "OK." (My head was spinning trying to process this. Could she be interested? But she has a boyfriend! She's taking you to her room! But maybe it's just to eat...)

We get to her room. We eat. After eating, she says she wants a massage! Alright Smoker, come the fuck on, this is your chance! I start giving her a massage. She's loving it. I'm wondering if I should go for the kiss. I'm pumped, but nervous as shit. What if she gets mad? After all, I know she has a bf, even if she's not the one who told me... I have to do it. No, you can't! Yes, goddam it, I'm on top of her giving her a massage! OK, do it. Wait. No, do it! Wait... it's not perfect...

*Click*

The fucking door's lock slides open and in barge the two roomies from the group. "Hey guys!!! What's going on? What are you doing? C'mon, let's go back out!!!" They came to save the day and cockblock the shit out of her.

Other than to embarrass myself (LOL), the point of this story was to illustrate that the bf didn't mean shit. She wanted to fuck the living shit out of me and chased me for three, four days to do it. I did not even realize what a sure thing this was until about a year later. I was pretty sure, but not positive. Now that I know and have seen what I know and have seen, there is just no other way to interpret it. This girl was so wet for me, it's a surprise she didn't slip and hit her head on something. And yet, I fucked it all up royally with my dumbass assumptions - nothing more.

When a girl is acting like she wants to fuck you, you respond in a like manner. Do not find excuses to not fuck her. Let her do that.

(Also let this story be a testament to all betas out there. Betas do get ass thrown at them. Very good ass. I have repeatedly in my life. The only problem is that betas will often miss the boat because they don't understand the signals and don't know what to ignore.)

[Gmac]

This is when you take her to the bathroom and bang her. Why get angry? Take it out on her while you're pounding away...!

Seriously though, why would you stick around after someone brought her the first drink? Big red flag.

On another note, there's nothing wrong with banging moms. Just try to avoid getting sucked into her world. And always wear condoms.

[Batata]

Being a mom drops 2 points off her scale for me. Not my thing.

[Timoteo]

Bro...you let her kid/kids at home be HER problem. You just want to fuck, not date. Since you're not looking to date or get otherwise involved, what do you care if she has progeny? As long as she looks good and is willing, GET THAT NUT. The last 4 chicks I've banged had kids, and NONE of them physically looked like they'd had children, because they kept themselves tight (all of them are in their 40s also). Fucking moms brings no more drama than fucking a crazy single. In fact, it can bring less drama. They're on a mission when they want to get fucked, and may not be looking for relationship mess any more than you are.

[TheAntiWhiteKnight138]

oh gawd, this story makes me cringe

You were 8/10th of the way to the gloryhole and you fumble the ball bc she pushed a small human out of her twat??

I'd hit that all night and then send her and her baggage back home

[Deluge]

Yeah she's a whore, whores are meant to be fucked and then promptly discarded like the rubber you used to smash her. Remember that for next time.

[XXL]

(11-26-2011 03:21 AM)Batata Wrote:  

Felt like a waste of a night because I had to drop the interaction completely at that point. Didn't even say bye. Just walked away.

#Whores

well you got your lesson. if you tried to go for the kiss 1-2 min in the interaction instead of "connecting" then she would have probably let you know what's going on. that's very good way to filter out green lights from the rest.

[PDX]

Banging a girl and never seeing her again isn't any different than banging a girl who happens to have a kid and never seeing her again.

Unless you're looking for the whole holding hands and rainbows and puppies thing.

[Batata]

(11-28-2011 02:58 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-26-2011 03:21 AM)Batata Wrote:  

Felt like a waste of a night because I had to drop the interaction completely at that point. Didn't even say bye. Just walked away.

#Whores

well you got your lesson. if you tried to go for the kiss 1-2 min in the interaction instead of "connecting" then she would have probably let you know what's going on. that's very good way to filter out green lights from the rest.

Can't tell if you're trolling. Landing a kiss on a girl 1-2 minutes into the conversation is going to work on only specific types of targets and in certain environments.

To everyone above: I am not attracted to mothers. Sort of like how people have preferences for different races or personalities of women; I have a strong preference for girls who are not moms. Not trying to offend anybody or anything, just not my thing. I understand that a lot of guys like moms.

Roissy had a good article today about single moms, you guys should all read it.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/2...ngle-moms/

[PDX]

(11-28-2011 07:25 PM)Batata Wrote:  

To everyone above: I am not attracted to mothers. Sort of like how people have preferences for different races or personalities of women; I have a strong preference for girls who are not moms. Not trying to offend anybody or anything, just not my thing. I understand that a lot of guys like moms.

That's cool.

But you got the whole situation backwards. She didn't owe you any explanation of her situation. You made a lot of assumptions about her based on her looks and a short interaction, and then got miffed when she didn't turn out to be the perfect little princess you were hoping for.

That's not lack of judgement on her part.

[Timoteo]

"To everyone above: I am not attracted to mothers. Sort of like how people have preferences for different races or personalities of women; I have a strong preference for girls who are not moms. Not trying to offend anybody or anything, just not my thing. I understand that a lot of guys like moms."

I don't think anyone is trying to sell you on something you don't like. At the same time, it isn't about other guys "liking" moms either. It's more that we don't give a fuck if she's a mom or not. It's about whether or not she's attractive and DTF.

One of my best friends feels similarly - he simply doesn't eat pussy, or fuck with women that have kids. He's amazed that I don't care if a woman has kids or not. To him it makes NO sense. Here's my argument to him - at our age (he's just past 50, I'm 48), it's more than likely the women we're going to meet will have children, but it's not like they're LITTLE kids (they factor in less if they're in their late teens/early 20s, and don't require as much or ANY attention). I feel his stance is irrational for a man his age. For younger dudes I can understand to an extent why you might head the other way if she's a baby-mama. But if she's down to come to your crib, smash, then go back home to her kid, what's it to you? That's MY take on it. We're just curious as to what it is about single moms that turns you off...that's all.

[Iceinthewater]

(11-26-2011 03:21 AM)Batata Wrote:  

Managed to isolate a girl, 7/10, from a group of three guys tonight (one was a friend), and we had about an hour long conversation. She was very receptive at first, and we built a great connection throughout the time we talked. In the meantime, some guy, presumably another guy trying to "game" her was dropping into our conversations every 20 minutes or so, handing her a drink. I thought nothing of it, as she tacitly accepted the drink and ignored him.

Great for me. I asked her if she wanted to go out for a cigarette to gain even further isolation, and she agreed even though she doesn't smoke. She watched me smoke while I made more conversation. At this point, she started initiating physical contact with me and I was ready to take the interaction to the next level.

A friend walks up to me.

"You know she has a kid, right"?

"What the fuck, seriously?"

"Yeah, and she lives in the same apartment as the dad, and that kid who kept bringing her drinks is the dad's best friend."

"..."

So throughout an 1+ hour long conversation, this stupid whore never once brought up her relationship status, the fact that she had a kid, or that she even lived with the dude who was buying her drinks. You could have never told by looking at her body that she'd pushed a human being out of her vagina, as she was pencil-thin (had big, awesome boobs though). She also said she was 23 years old.

Felt like a waste of a night because I had to drop the interaction completely at that point. Didn't even say bye. Just walked away.

#Whores

wtf why didn't you smash? she wanted to fuck you. fuck her friend never listen to a girl's friends - they have a totally different intention than you do.

man you just assumed this girl COULDNT want to fuck because she had a kid and lived with the dad. just take her to your crib. and after an hour why are you smoking cigarrettes outside. If she's down to come outside then don't do it to smoke, take her outside to get a fucking CAB TO YOUR PLACE.

[Iceinthewater]

(11-28-2011 07:25 PM)Batata Wrote:  

(11-28-2011 02:58 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-26-2011 03:21 AM)Batata Wrote:  

Felt like a waste of a night because I had to drop the interaction completely at that point. Didn't even say bye. Just walked away.

#Whores

well you got your lesson. if you tried to go for the kiss 1-2 min in the interaction instead of "connecting" then she would have probably let you know what's going on. that's very good way to filter out green lights from the rest.

Can't tell if you're trolling. Landing a kiss on a girl 1-2 minutes into the conversation is going to work on only specific types of targets and in certain environments.

To everyone above: I am not attracted to mothers. Sort of like how people have preferences for different races or personalities of women; I have a strong preference for girls who are not moms. Not trying to offend anybody or anything, just not my thing. I understand that a lot of guys like moms.

Roissy had a good article today about single moms, you guys should all read it.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/2...ngle-moms/

actually you ARE attracted to mothers because you were attracted to this girl. you just have an issue knowing she had sex with a man before you met her. I'm not criticizing or trying to psychoanalyze you - I'm stating the obvious. You were into her until the though of her being pregnant came into your mind. Single moms don't deserve shame or any sort of special consdiration. They are just women who chose to keep their babies when they got pregnant OR they were with a guy and it didn't work out. I stopped giving a fuck about this when I was like 21, but in my teens it would've probably weirded me out. As you get older, more women you meet are gonna have kids. Even smart, classy, professional, thin, hot ones. I've been with several women like this.

If you can get over this, you'll have more sex. If not, cool more for the rest of us lol!

[XXL]

(11-28-2011 07:25 PM)Batata Wrote:  

(11-28-2011 02:58 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-26-2011 03:21 AM)Batata Wrote:  

Felt like a waste of a night because I had to drop the interaction completely at that point. Didn't even say bye. Just walked away.

#Whores

well you got your lesson. if you tried to go for the kiss 1-2 min in the interaction instead of "connecting" then she would have probably let you know what's going on. that's very good way to filter out green lights from the rest.

Can't tell if you're trolling. Landing a kiss on a girl 1-2 minutes into the conversation is going to work on only specific types of targets and in certain environments.

To everyone above: I am not attracted to mothers. Sort of like how people have preferences for different races or personalities of women; I have a strong preference for girls who are not moms. Not trying to offend anybody or anything, just not my thing. I understand that a lot of guys like moms.

Roissy had a good article today about single moms, you guys should all read it.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2011/11/2...ngle-moms/

trolling? LOL! you need to stop dreaming about game dude.

i don't care about roissy article about single moms (OMG hahaha). to me a women is a women. whether she's blonde or brunette, mom or not mom, athlete or bartender, short or tall, white or black, etc she's a women who responds to the same things (nature). only differences stem form upbringing/culture (nurture) aka brainwash but that's completely out of my control. for example i met girls who really didn't want to hook up fast (not only with me) for some reason and that's their personal issue not mine.


about fast kissing..
instead of expressing beliefs/assumptions about 'types of girls' or 'types of environment' just go out, try it and then you can tell something. kissing fast is not THAT difficult. the hard part is breaking the ice - first 30-60 seconds. i have some empathy i chicks deal with losers & douchebags on the regular. that's why my personal threshold is 60 seconds. it's plenty time to figure out whether the other person is cool or not. when she still comes off like a snob/bitch after 1 minute then it's done.

but..

when she's cool then i escalate, build tension and go for the light kiss. it's not serious like it's some kind of big romantic moment. it's just a flirt in a ballsy manner like we are challenging each other. she's challenging me that i'm not that ballsy and can't kiss her and i challenge her if she can handle me going for the kiss. many times she resists so i call her out that she loses the 'bet' i win so i want bigger kiss as a reward now hahaha. so it's just playful. whether we kiss or not, we smile, we have a good time.

and that also the big thing about moving fast IMO. it's not necessarily about getting that precious "yes" or pleasant compliance right away. it's about setting the right tone and getting the point across. and that point is 'i'm interested sexually'. so even if she resists she knows instantly what i'm about. so we have clear situation now. she can excuse herself for some reason or come aboard for an adventure. and we all know the deal in first 5-10 min.

that's the best cure for this common "we connected so well but after and hour i find out she's busy/taken/engaged/married/lesbian/innocent/not interested".

[Yams]

Just because they have children doesn't mean they came through the vag since many have c-sections. If motherhood in itself turns you off then the thing that you have to realize is that just because they don't have kids doesn't mean they didn't already have 1 or 2 abortions. I would be willing to say that most women you see in a bar on a Friday night has had at least one abortion already.

If you are looking for a relationship then that is one thing but to me it sounds like she was very much worth it for one night.

[TheAntiWhiteKnight138]

(11-29-2011 01:25 PM)Yams Wrote:  

I would be willing to say that most women you see in a bar on a Friday night has had at least one abortion already.

I'd be willing to say this isn't true

Most girls can be whores, yes, but in this day and age of birth control abortions are less common than you'd think for the 21+ crowd.

I don't mind tearing down women when they deserve it, but this clearly is an overgeneralization

[Iceinthewater]

one other thing on a related note - girls who have had kids out through the vag do NOT have looser pussies. that shit goes back to normal or damn maybe even tighter in some cases