[kimleebj]

I recently communicated with a few women who claim they only want sex in the context of a monogamous relationship. One said previous men had made her feel "disposable". Another said she did not f*ck until the relationship has developed trust, although she did other sexual things. She also had a sob story about a guy pretending he wanted marriage and kids, and then changing his mind a couple months after they had established a sexual relationship.

First, it is messed up for the women to tell me these things right away. Second, it sounds like they are being manipulative. Third, it sounds like female logic. They say they want submissive, monogamous, beta men. But they have taken every historical opportunity to f*ck players who disposed of them. They are flat out telling me they historically sleep with guys in short-term relationships, and then claim they want long-term monogamy. Puhleeze.

You can google the "third date rule". I appreciate the "no date" philosophy and ONS's. But I don't want to shoehorn every interaction into a fixed timeline. I guess I'm asking, are there really a significant proportion of desireable women who successfully delay sex to the sixth date or later, and demand monogamy? A lot of men here may be patient and ultimately seek long-term monogamous relationships. But I'm thinking that it is unreasonable for a woman to expect men not to date other women after only one or two dates with me. I can understand she needs a little comfort around dates three through six. But dang, she needs to start putting out or expecting her man to get some on the side. I really hate the idea of sexual manipulation. My attitude is simply "I accept your discomfort with sex. I'll get it elsewhere. Let's just be friends. Enjoy your beta men."

[Docter]

I'm going to assume that, if gamed well enough, most of these girls would still sleep with you, bell curve style.

and as bell curve style dictates, there will be minor percentage who are actually serious and will not give it up early.

Thas my thoughts

[Gmac]

It's like I told you before, you can't believe anything a woman tells you. It's sad but true. She'll reveal her true self with her actions... women don't even know what they actually want.

You can either assume all women might sleep with you early / on the first date, or develop a method for weeding out those who probably won't put out.

[Samseau]

9 times out of 10, if a woman likes you she'll sleep with you by the second date.

[joehoya]

(11-25-2011 07:03 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

I recently communicated with a few women who claim they only want sex in the context of a monogamous relationship. One said previous men had made her feel "disposable". Another said she did not f*ck until the relationship has developed trust, although she did other sexual things. She also had a sob story about a guy pretending he wanted marriage and kids, and then changing his mind a couple months after they had established a sexual relationship....

(11-25-2011 07:57 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

It's like I told you before, you can't believe anything a woman tells you. It's sad but true. She'll reveal her true self with her actions... women don't even know what they actually want....

Very true. In fact, I find that past behavior is VASTLY more indicative of future behavior than present words.

I'll take it a step further. When a girl tells you how she wants to wait for sex until a monogamous relationship/marriage, and then in the same breath tells you about all the guys in her past that she let hit it quickly and how it never worked out well, here is what she is REALLY telling you:
"I am very susceptible to players with enough game. I give up the pussy to these guys so easily, that I cannot trust my own judgement when dealing with them. As a result I will attempt to pursue what I perceive to be beta guys in the HOPES that they won't game me too hard and get me to spread my legs with little effort."

These girls are some of the easiest to bed. My general strategy is to agree with her, listen to her describe how the players manipulated her, then game her HARD with the exact same techniques (and a little more) that the previous guys used on her. I have found that these chicks are easier to lay than the average girl.

Here is a quick story to relate what I am talking about:
I was talking to this chick that I regularly encountered at my work. She showed definite interest and stayed extra long around my office to talk. I expressed my interest in her, and she reciprocated. She then starts telling me about how she wants a nice guy and how all these previous dudes had pumped her and dumped her, or kept her around as a personal fucktoy/jump off. She then comments on how I am so nice and was just what she was looking for, and how she was never going to have sex without a committed relationship again because , in her words "I've learned to respect my body."

I listen and we go out. 5 hours, a free music festival, and a dinner at applebees later, and I am pounding the hell out of her in my bed. The next morning, she was feeling guilty about falling for the same shit she always did before. Bitch actually tried to flip it and pretend like we were now in an exclusive relationsihip because I fucked her while knowing that she was looking for monogamy.

I just run some more game on her about how she should think of this as a positive "experience" with a man, and how she needs more positive experiences so that she can "learn" how to have a healthy sexual relationship with men. Honestly, I think she only bought it because she wanted an excuse to save face. The end result was that I kept pounding that chick for a few months straight. Oh, and that first date where I took her out was the LAST time I took her anywhere or bought her anything other than a soda. She became just another booty call.

A hoe doesn't stop being a hoe simply by saying so.

[Timoteo]

First...let's start with the whole "trust" issue. Women never trust men. They ALWAYS think you're going to cheat, whether you are or not. If you're kind of quiet one day, they wonder if you're cheating. If you don't call her when you say you might, she's wondering if it's because you're cheating. If your phone is buzzing a lot one day, she wonders if it's other bitches. There's no such thing as building trust within the context of relationships with women. You either have "trust" from the beginning, or you never really have it.

Timetabling sex is without question manipulation. What has she really gained by making you wait until date 5 or 6, instead of giving it up on date 3? What more has she learned about you? All you'll do is be a good boy. You'll show her what she needs to see.

One day I got linked to YourTango, which is a board for people to write in with a problem or question, and other members give advice. Of course, it's mostly women, so the advice is generally bullshit. One girl wrote in with the "should I make him wait?" question, and naturally most of the women that responded say yes, make him wait. They go on and on about how they made their man wait, and such and such many years down the road, we're happy and still together (of course, dude could be fucking other chicks and she doesn't know). A couple of other women chimed in that they fucked on the first date, and they're married and still with THEIR men (those posters of course get shouted down). If a chick wants to believe not fucking until date whatever is the reason for relationship success, then it becomes the reason. When you fuck has no bearing on whether or not you're ultimately compatible, but chicks want to believe it because they still, deep down, feel sex is something they do FOR men, not WITH men. Deep down they know it's all they really have that men want, and when they give THAT up there's nothing left to bargain with.

[choichoi]

i've had a few chicks tell they wouldn't give it up and then gimme de pussy by the 2nd encounter. i've also had girls shut down on me upon initiating doggystyle "fuh real bitch?!"

[Deluge]

(11-25-2011 08:36 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

First...let's start with the whole "trust" issue. Women never trust men. They ALWAYS think you're going to cheat, whether you are or not. If you're kind of quiet one day, they wonder if you're cheating. If you don't call her when you say you might, she's wondering if it's because you're cheating. If your phone is buzzing a lot one day, she wonders if it's other bitches.

That's only true for strong alpha's. You know you're doing something right when the girl asks you if you're a playa or how many girls you sweet talk like you do her.

(11-25-2011 08:36 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

There's no such thing as building trust within the context of relationships with women. You either have "trust" from the beginning, or you never really have it.

In a way, you don't want her to trust you, you want her to feel that all-important competition anxiety which will keep her vagina tingling for you and keep her body and sexual prowess up to scratch.

[XXL]

(11-25-2011 08:29 PM)joehoya Wrote:  

(11-25-2011 07:03 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

I recently communicated with a few women who claim they only want sex in the context of a monogamous relationship. One said previous men had made her feel "disposable". Another said she did not f*ck until the relationship has developed trust, although she did other sexual things. She also had a sob story about a guy pretending he wanted marriage and kids, and then changing his mind a couple months after they had established a sexual relationship....

(11-25-2011 07:57 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

It's like I told you before, you can't believe anything a woman tells you. It's sad but true. She'll reveal her true self with her actions... women don't even know what they actually want....

Very true. In fact, I find that past behavior is VASTLY more indicative of future behavior than present words.

I'll take it a step further. When a girl tells you how she wants to wait for sex until a monogamous relationship/marriage, and then in the same breath tells you about all the guys in her past that she let hit it quickly and how it never worked out well, here is what she is REALLY telling you:
"I am very susceptible to players with enough game. I give up the pussy to these guys so easily, that I cannot trust my own judgement when dealing with them. As a result I will attempt to pursue what I perceive to be beta guys in the HOPES that they won't game me too hard and get me to spread my legs with little effort."

These girls are some of the easiest to bed. My general strategy is to agree with her, listen to her describe how the players manipulated her, then game her HARD with the exact same techniques (and a little more) that the previous guys used on her. I have found that these chicks are easier to lay than the average girl.

Here is a quick story to relate what I am talking about:
I was talking to this chick that I regularly encountered at my work. She showed definite interest and stayed extra long around my office to talk. I expressed my interest in her, and she reciprocated. She then starts telling me about how she wants a nice guy and how all these previous dudes had pumped her and dumped her, or kept her around as a personal fucktoy/jump off. She then comments on how I am so nice and was just what she was looking for, and how she was never going to have sex without a committed relationship again because , in her words "I've learned to respect my body."

I listen and we go out. 5 hours, a free music festival, and a dinner at applebees later, and I am pounding the hell out of her in my bed. The next morning, she was feeling guilty about falling for the same shit she always did before. Bitch actually tried to flip it and pretend like we were now in an exclusive relationsihip because I fucked her while knowing that she was looking for monogamy.

I just run some more game on her about how she should think of this as a positive "experience" with a man, and how she needs more positive experiences so that she can "learn" how to have a healthy sexual relationship with men. Honestly, I think she only bought it because she wanted an excuse to save face. The end result was that I kept pounding that chick for a few months straight. Oh, and that first date where I took her out was the LAST time I took her anywhere or bought her anything other than a soda. She became just another booty call.

A hoe doesn't stop being a hoe simply by saying so.

this post is SOOOOOO real.

i have no idea how many times i ended up with a girl alone just by ignoring her shit and moving forward shamelessly. i know that i literally can't listen to what girls say about me/sex, etc.

funny how good pick actually look. it's just moving forward forward forward until the girl physically stops you. and when she steps back it's just a matter of a minute and then bum! repeat same shit ignoring her BS until she's submits. and that's all. it IS very sad that it works like that but.. again.. it works. maybe that's not how it's supposed to be done but again.. it WORKS

that's probably why we're called assholes cause we do our thing regardless. so fuck that, assholes for the win!