[mangadooza]

Ephedrine. Best diet drug in the world.

It's been banned by the FDA unneessarily, but it's definitely safe for consumption if you don't overdose like a retard and take 5x the recommended amount. A few people did so, got the government's attention, and ruined it for everyone. You could get a heart attack from baby aspirin if you took enough.

Anyway, there's still ways to get it if you look around. You'll lose 2 extra pounds per month on it -- it basically burns 200 extra calories per day through its thermogenic properties. Good stuff. Also kills your appetite very effectively. A ton of bodybuilders use it to get down to insanely ripped states, 5%-7% body fat.

The side effects are where it got interesting for me. You'll get increased focus (sometimes used as a study drug) and significantly decreased libido. Now, this will probably make most of you turn back immediately and never touch the stuff, but keep an open mind.

For the 2 months I was on it a year ago, I was basically a chick. I went around and had almost no desire to instantly fornicate furiously with even the most attractive girls I saw, which was the norm for me. I achieved the Buddhist state of "no desire." I could still acknowledge that a girl was hot, but I had none of the accompanying feelings of excitement or impatience that I had to actively suppress in the past.

My game took off to a whole different level. Conversations flowed unbelievably smoothly, and I could "game" from an entirely abstract level, like a general commanding his troops into battle from afar.

Now obviously you don't want to operate on low libido forever. But it's an interesting experience that'll give you some significant insights into how chicks act in their daily life when they don't feel even a tenth of the horniness that guys do. After you get off it, your libido will rage back to its frenzied levels and you'll be all the more wise.

Highly recommended experience for the brave and curious.

[OSL]

I had a similar experience on oxyelite pro, regarding the fat loss and focus.

[bez]

I dont know if its the same but Psuedo-ephedrine is major problem in my country now,Its the main ingrediant in those 'night and day' flu pills but they banned them because the gangs were sending mules in to pharmacies to buy a hundred packets at a time then they cook the shit down into ghetto ghetto version of meth called 'P' and the chinese are trying everything they can to import it into here because its still an over the counter drug there.
Your definitely losing weight on that stuff, and your mind..

[Vicious]

Ephedrine is bad juju. I used to do it back in college for study sessions, partying or just working out. It makes your heart go ape-shit and you have these really scary heart flutters when you come down. Generally feeling shit and paranoid is another day-after effect.

Using ephedrine for game isn't brave, it's quite the opposite. Like getting shit-faced on alcohol before daring to do approaches. Being lazy and undisciplined like this will do nothing for you in the long run.

[mangadooza]

My heart was fine, never went ape shit. And I never said I became dependent on it to do approaches, only that it was an interesting experience to have your libido be at female levels.

Feel free to think what you want though. 200 extra calories won't do shit if your diet is terrible. It's only really helpful in terms of fat loss for when you want to turn your 4 pack into a 6 pack -- that last bit is the most stubborn.

I don't do steroids either, but it's a huge misconception that they, and other vanity drugs, are for the "lazy and undisciplined". The vast majority of guys I know who do them meticulously track and plan all the meals, macronutrient composition, work out 2x a day at an intensity where they vomit not infrequently, and do months of research beforehand. Drugs in the bodybuilding world take you to the highest level.

A lazy kid will just lose all the muscle after his cycle and get bitch tits from not properly using the accompanying estrogen altering compounds.

[Hooligan Harry]

I cant agree with this. Ephedrine is one bad ass stimulant and I felt like absolute crap on it. To say you are wired would be an understatement. I would rather watch my diet more closely or eat less than take it

[Vicious]

(11-24-2011 08:39 AM)mangadooza Wrote:  

My heart was fine, never went ape shit. And I never said I became dependent on it to do approaches, only that it was an interesting experience to have your libido be at female levels.

Never mind that all the side effects have been scientifically/medically proven many times over. The fact that you've never suffered any of this makes it perfectly safe. This is the typical flawed thinking that 1 exception somehow disapproves a rule.

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I don't do steroids either, but it's a huge misconception that they, and other vanity drugs, are for the "lazy and undisciplined". The vast majority of guys I know who do them meticulously track and plan all the meals, macronutrient composition, work out 2x a day at an intensity where they vomit not infrequently, and do months of research beforehand.

Read what I wrote again: "Using ephedrine for game isn't brave, it's quite the opposite. Like getting shit-faced on alcohol before daring to do approaches. Being lazy and undisciplined like this will do nothing for you in the long run."

Now everyone, how do we feel about hyped up coke-heads in clubs?

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Drugs in the bodybuilding world take you to the highest level.

You don't even want to know what I think about grown men that oil themselves up, strap on a pair of speedos and flex on stage.

[BLarsen]

I take one Primatene tab (asthma) each morning (i think its 12.5mg of ephedrine) and 2 cups of coffee. Been so productive in the morning you'd think I actually enjoy my job

[MikeCF]

Bodybuilders have used the ECA stack for decades.

The ephedrine fear is as based in hysteria and stupidity as steroid phobia.

[Moma]

@mangadooza, I tried ephedrine once when I was playing football for work (soccer for the Yanks and Canucks) and yes my energy was crazy. I was using a very minute dose of it (I am very skeptical about taking these supplements) and I would break off literally a crumb from the Eph tab and knock it down with water.

In regards to lizards having lower libido than men, that is false. Lizards like to fcuk as much as men do, they just have far more options than we do in terms of variety of fcuk and availability.

I've had lizards who I told I couldn't fcuk in the past break down into tears from desperation.
And if you ever roll with fat lizards (who don't get the same access regular lizards do) you will see how craven they are.

Don't get it twisted, bra, the reptiles are no better.

[Gmac]

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In regards to lizards having lower libido than men, that is false. Lizards like to fcuk as much as men do, they just have far more options than we do in terms of variety of fcuk and availability.

This asian broad I've been banging has an appetite that might exceed my own. I mean seriously she'll cum 5 or 6 times over 2-3 rounds and won't let me take a break, much less leave. She's only like 100 lbs though so I can pretty much have my way with her.

[MikeCF]

(11-25-2011 03:43 PM)Moma Wrote:  

@mangadooza, I tried ephedrine once when I was playing football for work (soccer for the Yanks and Canucks) and yes my energy was crazy. I was using a very minute dose of it (I am very skeptical about taking these supplements) and I would break off literally a crumb from the Eph tab and knock it down with water.

In regards to lizards having lower libido than men, that is false. Lizards like to fcuk as much as men do, they just have far more options than we do in terms of variety of fcuk and availability.

I've had lizards who I told I couldn't fcuk in the past break down into tears from desperation.
And if you ever roll with fat lizards (who don't get the same access regular lizards do) you will see how craven they are.

Don't get it twisted, bra, the reptiles are no better.

Yes, though it's more nuanced than that.

Women, moreso than men, have dramatic hormonal cycles. A woman's libidio will rise or fall substantially, depending upon her ovulation and hormonal cycles.

As a man, if you're eating fatty foods one week, and the next week you're eating clean and lifting. The first week, your sex drive will be substantially lower (relatively speaking) than to the second week.

If you eat clean/live right, then your sex drive (absent stress and other outside factors) will be constant.

[Aenigma]

Ephidrine isn't the most potent fat burner known to man-DNP is. Ephridrine is estimated to raise your base metabolic rate by 7%. Dnp on the other hand raises it by 30_50% depending on dose. Unfortunately its rather difficult to acquire the high purity substance without connections, (its used as a primary ignitor in explosvies as well); which I unfortunately lack. People have reported losing several pounds of fat per week on it; however you sweat and heat up so much on it you can dehydrate/overheat on it if you're not cautious- still a promising substance for those who don't mind living on the edge.

[ersatz]

Jesus guys, I work fucking 10-12 hour days and I still cook my meals at home and exercise. And I have psoriasis on my hands that makes washing vegetables and dishes not good for them. Learn how to cook, buy chicken breast in bulk, leave it in the freezer and lift some weights in the morning. Cook your meals in batches, leave them in tupperware containers and cook twice a week. It will do you much better than stimulants.