[Heart Break Kid]

(06-02-2018 05:27 AM)IsleofWimbledon Wrote:  

I see a lot of the posts aimed at people from the USA going abroad and teaching English. I'm going to give a little low down on those from the UK that want to teach English abroad.

The two English teaching qualifications people think of are CELTA and TEFL, however both aren't worth as much as they were before. If you really want to secure a good job abroad with all the benefits of free accommodation; healthcare, end of service gratuity.....then do a PGCE.

PGCE (Post Graduate Certificate in Education) - If you have a degree and you train to become an English teacher you'll get a £15000 grant tax free (2018/19 entry) from the government, only teach a 50% timetable or thereabouts in the UK for just under a year, and then you're fully qualified. You'll need a degree however to qualify.

I myself did a PGCE in Mathematics and have been teaching in the UK for almost 2 years now. Employers abroad see the PGCE as possibly the best teaching qualification internationally. Standards in the UK for teachers are seen as the most gruelling and hence as a UK PGCE graduate you will get preference over any other English teacher. ( I think it also has to do with people wanting teachers with British accents; but don't hold it against me as it is just an assumption)

Use TES jobs to find international teaching jobs....and their are lots of them. Salaries around £25000 to £40000 depending on experience which includes your accommodation, healthcare, air tickets....the whole shabang.

What are the pros of a PGCE over a Masters degree? Is it cheaper?

[IsleofWimbledon]

(06-02-2018 06:37 AM)Heart Break Kid Wrote:  

(06-02-2018 05:27 AM)IsleofWimbledon Wrote:  

I see a lot of the posts aimed at people from the USA going abroad and teaching English. I'm going to give a little low down on those from the UK that want to teach English abroad.

The two English teaching qualifications people think of are CELTA and TEFL, however both aren't worth as much as they were before. If you really want to secure a good job abroad with all the benefits of free accommodation; healthcare, end of service gratuity.....then do a PGCE.

PGCE (Post Graduate Certificate in Education) - If you have a degree and you train to become an English teacher you'll get a £15000 grant tax free (2018/19 entry) from the government, only teach a 50% timetable or thereabouts in the UK for just under a year, and then you're fully qualified. You'll need a degree however to qualify.

I myself did a PGCE in Mathematics and have been teaching in the UK for almost 2 years now. Employers abroad see the PGCE as possibly the best teaching qualification internationally. Standards in the UK for teachers are seen as the most gruelling and hence as a UK PGCE graduate you will get preference over any other English teacher. ( I think it also has to do with people wanting teachers with British accents; but don't hold it against me as it is just an assumption)

Use TES jobs to find international teaching jobs....and their are lots of them. Salaries around £25000 to £40000 depending on experience which includes your accommodation, healthcare, air tickets....the whole shabang.

What are the pros of a PGCE over a Masters degree? Is it cheaper?

Both can't really be compared. If you want to go into teaching its PGCE. If you're set on another field then do a Masters. a PGCE will command £9000 fees for UK students however just take a student loan and the effects of it will be pretty much mitigated. Masters fees can be more, but as I said if you're fixated on a certain field of work then Masters is for you. Just remember that a lot of jobs will not require you to have a masters.

I did a BEng in Mechanical engineering then followed up with a PGCE. It means I can start a graduate mechanical engineering role or just continue teaching.

[Redfish]

Can anybody comment on the current market in Vietnam? I checked out Dave’s ESL and most people are saying that it is over saturated.

[Heart Break Kid]

(06-22-2018 06:04 AM)Redfish Wrote:  

Can anybody comment on the current market in Vietnam? I checked out Dave’s ESL and most people are saying that it is over saturated.

people will say that on every board on daves esl cafe, that forum is very toxic.

[STEEL_WARRIOR]

Vietnam has extreme demand. Backpackers and non-natives are getting hired and paid good wages here it is a free for all.

[Heart Break Kid]

(06-24-2018 11:14 AM)STEEL_WARRIOR Wrote:  

Vietnam has extreme demand. Backpackers and non-natives are getting hired and paid good wages here it is a free for all.

how much do teachers with no experience make over there?

[ShanghaiPlayer]

Don’t encourage non-natives to teach there, you dense dumb shit. Especially Russians and Eastern Europeans. They’ve already irreparably messed up the situation in China, and are primarily the reason why most schools require a work visa now.

I don’t think you want to be competing for $1200 a month jobs with Igor the vodka-swilling fucktard.

[pirate]

I am seriously considering this.

I would honestly appreciate some candid feedback from someone who has been there as to whether they think I would be able to meet my goals from my situation there.

I'm 31 years old and i have no teaching experience or certificates. I do, however hold a professional designation as a chartered accountant, with many years' experience in financial management and consulting.

The sole reason I wish to go is to have sex. Truth is, I would gladly pay to have sex with japanese girls. Now, living there and getting it for free sounds like heaven to me. I am white and 6ft tall. My looks are average and my level of game is...poor.

I do not wish to simply go the p4p route as that would be giving up.

I have several years' salary stashed away from work and crypto ventures, so as long as I could break even I would be fairly happy.

My concerns are:
- Will the gig eat most of my time during the week, or would I have enough time to work on my business? (I consider more than 20 hours a week prohibitive)
- How likely am I to have to teach children? I wouldnt be able to do it.
- What are my chances of getting a job in japan/vietnam?


Your insights are most welcome

[Suits]

(06-25-2018 12:55 PM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

Don’t encourage non-natives to teach there, you dense dumb shit. Especially Russians and Eastern Europeans. They’ve already irreparably messed up the situation in China, and are primarily the reason why most schools require a work visa now.

I don’t think you want to be competing for $1200 a month jobs with Igor the vodka-swilling fucktard.

You're absolutely wrong about all aspects of this post. First, native speakers are absolutely, 100% preferred over Russians and Eastern Europeans. There's a ton of part-time jobs paying 300 RMB per hour and fulltime jobs paying 20K+ available to any native speaker. The places that can't afford to pay that wouldn't be able to afford to pay those salaries even if there were no non-natives in the picture. There business model sucks (due to providing a lack of value), so they can't charge much or pay much.

This does not stop there from being a unstoppable supply of jobs that specifically require a native speaker.

You'll never be competing with Igor the vodka-swilling fucktard, for $1200/month jobs unless you are NOT a good candidate yourself.

Additionally, legit employers have preferred (and usually mandated) having all employees on Z-visas for a long damn time. There are still a ton of less legit schools that are more than happy to hire students and folks on tourist visas because they'll take anything they can get.

If you're a native speaker struggling to get a job, the problem is you.

(06-26-2018 09:34 PM)pirate Wrote:  

I do, however hold a professional designation as a chartered accountant, with many years' experience in financial management and consulting.

Irrelevant.

In East-Asia (where the strongest demand exists by a strong margin), you're viewed as a subhuman whose only real qualifications are your personality, white-skin/foreign-ness and native language skills.

Employers need someone who can do the job (you can't be completely useless and when it comes to jobs involving kids, you have to have some classroom management skills or you won't last long), but mainly, they could care less about your achievements in life.

You just have to meet a certain bar of qualifications that they consider important and that's it. Nothing else will "give you an edge," no matter how much you want it to. At 31 with no experience, unless you are unusually handsome, you'll be starting at the bottom rung doing the jobs that people with actual experience actively avoid.

(06-26-2018 09:34 PM)pirate Wrote:  

The sole reason I wish to go is to have sex.

That's a terrible sole reason to go to Asia to teach ESL.

(06-26-2018 09:34 PM)pirate Wrote:  

My looks are average and my level of game is...poor.

I predict you'll have an absolutely terrible time teaching ESL in Japan. Women there are responsive to strong game, but the days of them tearing their clothes off just because a dude is white are long gone.

You'd have an easier time in China, although you'll be banging 5's and they'll be calling the shots -- not you.

(06-26-2018 09:34 PM)pirate Wrote:  

I have several years' salary stashed away from work and crypto ventures, so as long as I could break even I would be fairly happy.

This is the one bright spot of your situation. Why not just go to Japan and enjoy an extended vacation, focus on improving your game and maybe also (if you're the right type of person), use your time to work towards earning money location independent?

(06-26-2018 09:34 PM)pirate Wrote:  

My concerns are:
- Will the gig eat most of my time during the week, or would I have enough time to work on my business? (I consider more than 20 hours a week prohibitive)

I can't speak for Japan, but there are jobs in China that would work out to about 20 hours per week. However, not all the hours will necessarily be consecutive. There may be significant gaps in between your actual teaching hours, so a 20 hour teaching week might be spread over 30 actual hours.

A lot of jobs that come with a visa and enough hours to be considered fulltime, however, have something called office hours. This is where you sit in the office killing time because the boss doesn't want his local staff bitching that the damn foreigners are treated better than them

(06-26-2018 09:34 PM)pirate Wrote:  

How likely am I to have to teach children? I wouldnt be able to do it.

There are definitely jobs that don't involve teaching kids. These jobs are currently the minority, but they do exist. Since most people aren't mentally tough enough to teach children, the jobs not-teaching children usually pay far worse than the ones involving teaching children. Basic supply and demand.

(06-26-2018 09:34 PM)pirate Wrote:  

What are my chances of getting a job in japan/vietnam?

Pretty high, if you include Vietnam. Supply of manga reading white dudes who want to fuck Japanese bitches has exceeded demand for some time, but you can probably find a very low paying job teaching students 18+ in Vietnam. You might even find something suitable in Japan, I have no idea.

I think you should definitely go for it! But only if you start a thread about your experiences. Before you go, post with as much detail as possible what your expectations are and then, after arriving, keep us updated weekly about how things actually go.

I'll have my popcorn and a complete lack of empathy at the ready.

[churros]

Can somebody give me the DL on teaching English in Bangkok? I assume supply vastly outsrips the demand.

[Suits]

(07-02-2018 10:49 PM)churros Wrote:  

Can somebody give me the DL on teaching English in Bangkok? I assume supply vastly outsrips the demand.

To a degree. There's a reason why similar jobs tend to pay more in mainland China, but less in Taiwan and Thailand. And it's not just the difference in cost of living.

That being said, a lot of the temporary tourist teachers who do teach don't stay for long, I'm sure and payment is going to be above what it takes to attract teachers temporarily. It's going to be what it takes to keep teachers, somewhat.

I'm just speculating, though. I don't know the market in Thailand.

[Bienvenuto]

(07-02-2018 10:49 PM)churros Wrote:  

Can somebody give me the DL on teaching English in Bangkok? I assume supply vastly outsrips the demand.

I know people who are teaching there who have taught there, some love it, some say the money is a joke and living on the money is a day to day struggle.

[Buddydowrongright2]

I'm working on my 150 TEFL right now as I want to start teaching online to supplement my income and go full remote. I have a few irons in the fire with my normal career that are long-term remote gigs, but not enough to both live and save/pay down debts on, even in cheap countries. I am mostly attracted to this for the obvious reason (travel, chicks) but also because I write fiction and have had some success with it, and would like a few extra hours in the morning to finish my next book or two.

Does anyone here have the skinny on teaching online? Which companies do you recommend, how stable are the hours, how does it compare to classroom teaching, etc.? I'm not against classroom teaching but if I go that route I'd most likely want to move to China, which seems like quite a logistical string of hoops.

[kapitaw]

(07-03-2018 02:20 AM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  

Does anyone here have the skinny on teaching online? Which companies do you recommend, how stable are the hours, how does it compare to classroom teaching, etc.? I'm not against classroom teaching but if I go that route I'd most likely want to move to China, which seems like quite a logistical string of hoops.

Road_Less_Taken hipped me on it but he's been offline for a while so I'll respond. Online teaching is a legit side hustle if you have the time, energy and qualifications. For most sites you need to be a native from the US or Canada with a bachelor's degree and some experience teaching. The more experience and certifications the more your starting salary will be. Then you have to build up your clientele and do something to set yourself apart. Being a man in a female dominated field helps.

Easy money if you can muster the enthusiasm and patience necessary to teach children. The kids behave well though as their parents are often offscreen nearby.

I work 3 hours a day and make around $1,500 a month. It's helped me out a lot. PM me if you have more questions or want to know about the specific companies there are.

[Vladimir Poontang]

Does anyone know if there's a way to teach english online without having to have qualifications?

I'm not looking to make that much money from it. Just a very part time income.

[ShanghaiPlayer]

I've noticed that there is an alarming number of SJW types and women gaining high positions of power in the ESL/TEFL industry in Asia. As managers, HR and what not. Not so much in China, but Southeast Asia in particular. I'm guessing it's the same in Korea and Japan. I'm not sure how exactly they're getting these positions. The locals probably don't know any better and hire the first people that show up? A lot of times they're 20 somethings and have no experience in anything except maybe being a fuckin barista at Starbucks back home.

Anyway, if you appear to them as even remotely like a normal guy with normal or high testosterone levels, they'll see to it you won't get hired. And if they suspect or assume your political views lean towards the right, even in the slightest, they won't hire you or will actively try to get you fired. Especially the white women.

Why won't these fucks stay back in the West where they belong?

[mr-ed209]

(08-22-2018 09:24 PM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

Anyway, if you appear to them as even remotely like a normal guy with normal or high testosterone levels, they'll see to it you won't get hired. And if they suspect or assume your political views lean towards the right, even in the slightest, they won't hire you or will actively try to get you fired. Especially the white women.

Why won't these fucks stay back in the West where they belong?

True. The teaching abroad thing doesn't half attract some weirdos. I used to live with a UK girl in Japan who was teaching in a school there (I was doing a snow season).

I met a few of the guys on the JET programme who visited resort beginning of the season and they were all a little hippy go left field.

She said the majority of guys on the JET programme were effeminate losers who'd moved to Japan to try and find some anime wife. She requested a placement in a ski town to be around an influx of regular western guys.

[BaatumMania]

I taught in Korea but in a private institute and with adults (which is like 1% to 2% of ESL jobs in Korea. So I was fortunate to not have to deal with kids).


I ended up getting 9 FWBs within 5 months until I got satisfied and stopped looking for more women. I've heard of short term tourists complaining about Korea but I've never heard of a long term (white) foreigner who couldn't get a woman in Korea.

A few of these women I had to use Google Translate with to fuck them (which other men have reported about Korean women. They'll sometimes put up with a language barrier just to get some white dick. I would just put on Netflix with Korean subtitles and we would bang and so on).

Except for the female situation I didn't like living in Korea:

- Prices of western goods and services was very high and low quality.

- I wasn't able to find a woman who would let me fuck her without a condom (Japan is allegedly more liberal about this).

- Tinder wasn't that big in Korea (especially when you consider Greater Seoul is like 10+ million people. I met my women primarily through social circles and day game).

- Winter was really cold like 11 Fahrenheit and colder

- My boss in Korea was always trying to increase my hours and/or steal a portion of my pay.

[BaatumMania]

(08-22-2018 09:24 PM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

I've noticed that there is an alarming number of SJW types and women gaining high positions of power in the ESL/TEFL industry in Asia. As managers, HR and what not. Not so much in China, but Southeast Asia in particular. I'm guessing it's the same in Korea and Japan. I'm not sure how exactly they're getting these positions. The locals probably don't know any better and hire the first people that show up? A lot of times they're 20 somethings and have no experience in anything except maybe being a fuckin barista at Starbucks back home.

Anyway, if you appear to them as even remotely like a normal guy with normal or high testosterone levels, they'll see to it you won't get hired. And if they suspect or assume your political views lean towards the right, even in the slightest, they won't hire you or will actively try to get you fired. Especially the white women.

Why won't these fucks stay back in the West where they belong?

I was surprised about this when I lived in Korea.

Expat Facebook posts were often asking where to find drugs, where to find gays / lesbians for sex and complaining that Korea is a 'far right society'.

Why do super leftist people love Korea so much? Or is it the "You Must have a Degree" requirement in English Teaching that causes such a bias among the English teachers? After all you can visit most university campuses in the west and a lot of people on them are going to be weird SJWs.


but as we speak the TEFL industry in Asia is declining anyway. They publish information on the number of visas being issued and it's been dropping every year. It's probably because school owners are tired of dealing with foreign weirdos and/or people who pull midnight runners.

[yankeetravels]

^I don't think that's why. From what I hear, Asians tend to group all westerners together anyway. The two main reasons I'd say for declining visas are that English levels are probably improving within the countries since this started decades ago, so that could save schools from outsourcing to westerners versus just hiring a native for cheaper. The second reason is online ESL is claiming it's stake in the game. There's a ton of websites now where westerners can sign up to be English tutors from their laptops. Creates less need for schools on the ground besides international schools.

[Super_Fire]

(08-22-2018 09:24 PM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

I've noticed that there is an alarming number of SJW types and women gaining high positions of power in the ESL/TEFL industry in Asia. As managers, HR and what not. Not so much in China, but Southeast Asia in particular. I'm guessing it's the same in Korea and Japan. I'm not sure how exactly they're getting these positions. The locals probably don't know any better and hire the first people that show up? A lot of times they're 20 somethings and have no experience in anything except maybe being a fuckin barista at Starbucks back home.

Anyway, if you appear to them as even remotely like a normal guy with normal or high testosterone levels, they'll see to it you won't get hired. And if they suspect or assume your political views lean towards the right, even in the slightest, they won't hire you or will actively try to get you fired. Especially the white women.

Why won't these fucks stay back in the West where they belong?

I can confirm this is the case in Taiwan, too. Lots of English and Poetry majors washing up on the shores, eager to sit on ass all day and champion feminism at their new publications.

Avoid or lay low.

[Bienvenuto]

I jacked my fucking claustrophobic Big Provider TEFL job here in 2nd tier Vietnam.

I told an ex-colleague last night "its just a circle of soy boy geeks and fempat unfuckable ham planets, they make the workplace a living hell."

I had to get out.

Spoke to a Viet director and MBA graduate from the big city just now. He said the difference between associating with miserable Tefl managers and other successful expats is night and day.

[BaatumMania]

(08-23-2018 11:00 PM)Super_Fire Wrote:  

(08-22-2018 09:24 PM)ShanghaiPlayer Wrote:  

I've noticed that there is an alarming number of SJW types and women gaining high positions of power in the ESL/TEFL industry in Asia. As managers, HR and what not. Not so much in China, but Southeast Asia in particular. I'm guessing it's the same in Korea and Japan. I'm not sure how exactly they're getting these positions. The locals probably don't know any better and hire the first people that show up? A lot of times they're 20 somethings and have no experience in anything except maybe being a fuckin barista at Starbucks back home.

Anyway, if you appear to them as even remotely like a normal guy with normal or high testosterone levels, they'll see to it you won't get hired. And if they suspect or assume your political views lean towards the right, even in the slightest, they won't hire you or will actively try to get you fired. Especially the white women.

Why won't these fucks stay back in the West where they belong?

I can confirm this is the case in Taiwan, too. Lots of English and Poetry majors washing up on the shores, eager to sit on ass all day and champion feminism at their new publications.

Avoid or lay low.

I'm thinking about living in Taiwan but not to work as an English Teacher. I'll just do a border run once every 90 days and make money online.

The word on the street is Taiwan is easier than Korea in terms of meeting English speaking (Asian) women so I hope I don't have to socialize with SJW English Teachers.

[Super_Fire]

(08-24-2018 02:52 AM)BaatumMania Wrote:  

I'm thinking about living in Taiwan but not to work as an English Teacher. I'll just do a border run once every 90 days and make money online.

The word on the street is Taiwan is easier than Korea in terms of meeting English speaking (Asian) women so I hope I don't have to socialize with SJW English Teachers.

Just don't hang out at places like Revolver and you should be OK.

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-23-2018 08:01 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

^I don't think that's why. From what I hear, Asians tend to group all westerners together anyway. The two main reasons I'd say for declining visas are that English levels are probably improving within the countries since this started decades ago, so that could save schools from outsourcing to westerners versus just hiring a native for cheaper. The second reason is online ESL is claiming it's stake in the game. There's a ton of websites now where westerners can sign up to be English tutors from their laptops. Creates less need for schools on the ground besides international schools.

Maybe the booming economy in the West is playing a part?

Now that jobs are plentiful, taking off for a year or more to teach English abroad on a reduced salary versus the home country will be less of a draw for many.

I wonder if the "Teaching English Abroad" scene booms during economic busts in the West.

There could be a correlation there.