[Blackychan]

Hey I just finished watching the documentary Doom Scroll: Andrew Tate & The Dark Side of the Internet Roosh was mentioned and also Rollo I found it interesting they tried to associate them with Andrew Tate. I think there just trying to defame them. 




[size=1]Andrew Tate and the Dark Side of the Internet[/size]

[nampa]

Hey I just finished watching the documentary Doom Scroll: Andrew Tate & The Dark Side of the Internet Roosh was mentioned and also Rollo I found it interesting they tried to associate them with Andrew Tate. I think there just trying to defame them. 




[size=1]Andrew Tate and the Dark Side of the Internet[/size]

Tate's career is a queer thing. He isn't an organic, truth-to-power guy like Roosh, which was the defacto internet until the 2017 censorship in the wake of Trump's victory. The internet were normal people, genunine value, etc.
Tate is the Instagram influencer cohort, which filled the vacuum when every organic person was banned. 
He is primarily a buisnessman that isn't a bugman; he supplies a product with the trappings of a normal guy interacting with the Zeitgeist. I place Tomassi in this bucket, as it's all a fake buisness venture with these two. RSD was siimliar, but at least they added value with their forum and meetups. Roosh mentioned, correctly, that they were not "one of us".

[Some guy2]

Tate is low-IQ Jordan Peterson. They’re both trying to help young men, but Peterson is smart and educated while Tate is dumb and uneducated—because he’s brown.

[Archivist]

Tate is the Instagram influencer cohort, ... primarily a businessman that ... supplies a product with the trappings of a normal guy interacting with the Zeitgeist.

I place Tomassi in this bucket, as it's all a fake buisness venture with these two. RSD was similiar, but at least they added value with their forum and meetups.

Tate was never a PUA.  He made some shady money hiring webcam girls in Romania. When I say shady, I mean webcamming attracts drug-addicted prostitutes.  Opaque regulation in Romania creates opportunities and invites abuses.  Then Tate went on Twitter and transparently copied all the Manosphere stereotypes about alphas and success.  It reminds me of Christian McQueen joining this forum to harvest and monetize reputation points.

Anyway, Rollo Tomassi has a different backstory.  He was a local heavy-metal musician, and got laid like a rock star.  I mean that local groupies or scene girls would flirt with him and go back to his place immediately.  This is important, because once you experience success, you recognize it and avoid the pitfalls of chasing disinterested women.  Rollo belatedly attended college and counseled depressed young men with oneitis.  He was also affected by the suicide of his brother-in-law over a failed marriage.  Most of his advice was to avoid oneititis and stop chasing disinterested women.

Neil Strauss's The Game described RSD Tyler and Papa copying all of Mysteries teaching.  Then they spent $200K per month on search engine optimization to market seminars.  Tyler was hiding in his room moderating message boards while Papa went on road trips giving free promotional seminars at colleges.

Let me know if you want more sordid history.

[Archivist]

Eric Weber published How to Pick Up Girls in 1970.  It sucked.  He literally interviewed women instead of learning from successful men.

Ross Jeffries was working a depressing cubicle job with low pay and no social life in the 1980's.  He saw a book on NLP, and believed it would work.  He successfully approached and seduced a girl using those silly ideas.  Then he devoted his life to hypnotic speed seduction.  He booked himself on talk shows and became one of the first commercial PUA's.  He also founded the alt.seduction-fast USENET group.  

Mystery was active in this USENET forum.  The forum attracted hopeless nerds and eventually spammers.  Mystery then started advertising his seminars there.  Note that Neil Strauss interviewed Mystery for a New York Times article.  They became roommates, and Neil was helping run seminars before he ever got laid using the "Mystery Method".  That period attracted a lot of goofy commercial PUA's, including recent virgins like Mehow.

Roosh was a budding PUA and member of Mystery's Lounge listserv.  He started to promote seminars and sell pickup advice early on his blog.

David DeAngelo created the SoSuave forums to promote his book Double Your Dating.  It is hard to find any "organic" non-commerical advice.

Rollo posted on SoSuave and put all his articles on his blog for free.  He only belatedly sold books and did seminars organized by others.

[Some guy2]

This guy lol.

“Sordid” history.

Here’s some more: Our ancestors were apes.

I love PUAs. There’s nothing sordid about their history. Everything great starts small.

Without nerds we’d still be living in caves.

Archivist is stupid.

[Some guy2]

These nerds bedded many women, made small fortunes, and became famous, and even notorious.

It’s your posts that are sordid, loser.

[Archivist]

These nerds bedded many women, made small fortunes, and became famous, and even notorious.

It’s your posts that are sordid, loser.

Some of them did, and some did not.  RSD founder Nick "Papa" Kho's father became rich through for-profit online colleges.  Nick Kho lists 28 educational credentials at LinkedIn.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholaskho/...education/

Nick Kho has changed his company from Real Social Dynamics to Real AI Dynamics, and claims to be a Ph.D. student in Artificial Intelligence at an obscure Christian University.  His other 27 degrees are not enough.  Maybe he can help you get a girlfriend.

[Some guy2]

You are the kind of person Roosh would have instabanned. You contribute nothing but spite, and what’s worse, spite specifically directed at the PUA community that this forum was founded to champion.

[Archivist]

You are the kind of person Roosh would have instabanned. You contribute ... spite ... directed at the PUA community that this forum was founded to champion.

I mock phony and commercial pick-up artists who exploit men by taking their money and/or giving bad advice.  I take Andrew Tate about as seriously as Dylan Mulvaney.  They are both attention whores cosplaying opposite stereotypes.

This forum was founded to support Roosh's interests and sell his books.  When interests changed in 2019, Roosh changed the forum and unpublished his pick-up books.  Then when Roosh's became more orthodox, he stopped selling all his books, then deleted the forum and his blog.

Interestingly, the ChristIsKing forum has survived, whereas this one has floundered.  I wonder why?

[Bratwurst]

Interestingly, the ChristIsKing forum has survived, whereas this one has floundered.  I wonder why?

Well, let's wait and see how long CIK will last.






It had a great start, but as you can see there is a downward trend.


One of it's mods is such a prideful asshole who bans people who disagree with his opinion, mostly those who are not friends of the kikesucker Trump, as well as other topics.


It has lost a lot of good people because of this mod, but none of the admins (past and present) dare to remove him from moderating. It gets more boring every day.

[Longhaul]

Tate is the Instagram influencer cohort, ... primarily a businessman that ... supplies a product with the trappings of a normal guy interacting with the Zeitgeist.

I place Tomassi in this bucket, as it's all a fake buisness venture with these two. RSD was similiar, but at least they added value with their forum and meetups.

Tate was never a PUA.  He made some shady money hiring webcam girls in Romania. When I say shady, I mean webcamming attracts drug-addicted prostitutes.  Opaque regulation in Romania creates opportunities and invites abuses.  Then Tate went on Twitter and transparently copied all the Manosphere stereotypes about alphas and success.  It reminds me of Christian McQueen joining this forum to harvest and monetize reputation points.

Anyway, Rollo Tomassi has a different backstory.  He was a local heavy-metal musician, and got laid like a rock star.  I mean that local groupies or scene girls would flirt with him and go back to his place immediately.  This is important, because once you experience success, you recognize it and avoid the pitfalls of chasing disinterested women.  Rollo belatedly attended college and counseled depressed young men with oneitis.  He was also affected by the suicide of his brother-in-law over a failed marriage.  Most of his advice was to avoid oneititis and stop chasing disinterested women.

Neil Strauss's The Game described RSD Tyler and Papa copying all of Mysteries teaching.  Then they spent $200K per month on search engine optimization to market seminars.  Tyler was hiding in his room moderating message boards while Papa went on road trips giving free promotional seminars at colleges.

Let me know if you want more sordid history.

I want more sordid history, but I think you overvalue Tomassi. He has married a woman who is older than him and who was a "party girl" (in an interview he was embarassed to admit it), therefore I doubt about his former successes with women.

[Archivist]

Tomassi ... married a[n] older ... "party girl" (in an interview he was embarrassed to admit it), therefore I doubt about his former successes with women.

That is a legitimate issue.  The broader issue is who is trustworthy and knowledgeable for information.  Successful "naturals" are not preoccupied with dating.  They usually don't have PUA blogs and Twitter accounts, and they give bad advice.  Tucker Max was a witty, handsome, successful author.  But his "Mating Grounds" podcast gave banal advice because he could not relate to other men's struggles.  For short, nerdy, or a racial minorities, it is a challenge to get dates online, and you deal with flaking, shit-tests, dinner whores, etc.

Instead, PUA attracts geeks, like Ross Jeffries, who taught men to hypnotize women with double-entendre lines.  Tony's Lay Guide was a compendium of canned lines and routines from USENET.  It bragged about seducing 16 women in 4 years.  Mystery was a geeky magician, and the RSD founders were his disciples.

There are tragic and traumatic cases.  Krauser's wife suddenly divorced him.  He overcompensated by obsessing about day game and blogging.  Caleb "Blackdragon" Jones' mother was an ex-nun.  He married an older woman with a child.  Anthony "Dream" Johnson's wife was a secret prostitute.  There is a reason they developed weird or bitter attitudes.

All these guys were "organic" in the sense that they learned pickup for themselves.  But they commercialized their neuroses into bad PUA advice.  Mehow was notorious for giving PUA seminars shortly after losing his virginity.  Anthony Johnson hired anybody who would speak cheap at his 21 Convention.  This included gay Jack Donovan and long-time married strongman Elliot Hulse.

I thought the best and most relatable blogs were just regular guys.  There was the late Private Man, Badger Hut, Ricky Rawness.  Rollo linked to a short-lived blog called "Dating Over 50".  These blogs often ended quickly after the author satiated his dating needs.  So, you can hate crass commercialization.  But commercialization is why organic guys like Roosh and Rollo continued to produce output.

Who else would actually have skill and continue to write about dating?  It would have to be a sex-addicted writer like Delicious Tacos.  Successful men with beautiful wives (and occasional flings) are too busy with kids, careers, fitness, hobbies, and travel to spend time writing.

[Longhaul]

Tomassi ... married a[n] older ... "party girl" (in an interview he was embarrassed to admit it), therefore I doubt about his former successes with women.

That is a legitimate issue.  The broader issue is who is trustworthy and knowledgeable for information.  Successful "naturals" are not preoccupied with dating.  They usually don't have PUA blogs and Twitter accounts, and they give bad advice.  Tucker Max was a witty, handsome, successful author.  But his "Mating Grounds" podcast gave banal advice because he could not relate to other men's struggles.  For short, nerdy, or a racial minorities, it is a challenge to get dates online, and you deal with flaking, shit-tests, dinner whores, etc.

Instead, PUA attracts geeks, like Ross Jeffries, who taught men to hypnotize women with double-entendre lines.  Tony's Lay Guide was a compendium of canned lines and routines from USENET.  It bragged about seducing 16 women in 4 years.  Mystery was a geeky magician, and the RSD founders were his disciples.

There are tragic and traumatic cases.  Krauser's wife suddenly divorced him.  He overcompensated by obsessing about day game and blogging.  Caleb "Blackdragon" Jones' mother was an ex-nun.  He married an older woman with a child.  Anthony "Dream" Johnson's wife was a secret prostitute.  There is a reason they developed weird or bitter attitudes.

All these guys were "organic" in the sense that they learned pickup for themselves.  But they commercialized their neuroses into bad PUA advice.  Mehow was notorious for giving PUA seminars shortly after losing his virginity.  Anthony Johnson hired anybody who would speak cheap at his 21 Convention.  This included gay Jack Donovan and long-time married strongman Elliot Hulse.

I thought the best and most relatable blogs were just regular guys.  There was the late Private Man, Badger Hut, Ricky Rawness.  Rollo linked to a short-lived blog called "Dating Over 50".  These blogs often ended quickly after the author satiated his dating needs.  So, you can hate crass commercialization.  But commercialization is why organic guys like Roosh and Rollo continued to produce output.

Who else would actually have skill and continue to write about dating?  It would have to be a sex-addicted writer like Delicious Tacos.  Successful men with beautiful wives (and occasional flings) are too busy with kids, careers, fitness, hobbies, and travel to spend time writing.

What do you think about Aaron Sleazy? He claim to have slept with a lot of women, often fucked in the bathrooms of clubs. He says he's handsome and tall (190cm). Do you think he is legit?

[Archivist]

What do you think about Aaron Sleazy?

Aaron Sleazy was a moderator at the original PUA Hate forum, founded in 2009 to criticize scammy commercial PUA's.

Aaron Sleazy had a photo online.  IIRC, He is tall and decent-looking.  He was preoccupied with school and other interests, and did not even try to date in his early twenties.  Then he blossomed by going to alternative Berlin nightclubs, dancing with his shirt off, and escalating quickly with women.

There are nightclubs where nobody has ever had sex in the bathrooms.  Then there are tourist bars in Spring Break vacation destinations and scenes where women wear lingerie and ripped pantyhose.  Aaron Sleazy found the right scene where he had value.

But he also had a point that you should find women who are interested.  He wrote that Roosh "is unable to realize that the girls are just not into him. Thus, he keeps looking for ways to improve his "game." Buddy, if the girl isn't really into you, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you move the interaction forward. On the other hand, if she's not into you, then it also doesn't really matter what you do because you simply won't get anywhere."

https://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2012/09...oesnt.html
https://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2014/09...r-lay.html
https://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2015/08...-face.html

[Longhaul]

What do you think about Aaron Sleazy?

Aaron Sleazy was a moderator at the original PUA Hate forum, founded in 2009 to criticize scammy commercial PUA's.

Aaron Sleazy had a photo online.  IIRC, He is tall and decent-looking.  He was preoccupied with school and other interests, and did not even try to date in his early twenties.  Then he blossomed by going to alternative Berlin nightclubs, dancing with his shirt off, and escalating quickly with women.

There are nightclubs where nobody has ever had sex in the bathrooms.  Then there are tourist bars in Spring Break vacation destinations and scenes where women wear lingerie and ripped pantyhose.  Aaron Sleazy found the right scene where he had value.

But he also had a point that you should find women who are interested.  He wrote that Roosh "is unable to realize that the girls are just not into him. Thus, he keeps looking for ways to improve his "game." Buddy, if the girl isn't really into you, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you move the interaction forward. On the other hand, if she's not into you, then it also doesn't really matter what you do because you simply won't get anywhere."

https://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2012/09...oesnt.html
https://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2014/09...r-lay.html
https://aaronsleazy.blogspot.com/2015/08...-face.html

Yes, I know that he is very critic about Roosh. He says that Roosh is the biggest loser about PUA community, and that he at best got laid with some drunk ugly woman.
 Btw do you have pic of Aaron? I'm curious because I couldn't find pics online.

[Archivist]

Btw do you have pic of Aaron?

He says that Roosh... at best got laid with some drunk ugly woman.

Sorry, I don't have pics.

To be fair, Roosh wrote about drunk women (in Iceland), posted pictures with fat women, called some of his dates "monstrous".

[Some guy2]

Archivist strikes me as on the spectrum. That would also track with him being a factoid-spewing machine. He doesn’t really answer your objections as much as he regurgitates the factoids in his database on them. You can’t really have a conversation with him. You are just querying his database.

“They commercialized their neuroses into bad PUA advice.”

What’s neurotic about your wife divorcing you?

What’s bad about Krauser’s dirt-simple pickup model?

Archivist is retarded. I could go through every trivia-dump of his and ridicule every sentence like this. And that’s before asking the question of WHY he knows more PUA trivia than anyone on the planet.

He is the new forum clown. A PUA C-3PO. I’ll add him to my signature.

[Some guy2]

Archivist: Naturals give bad advice.

Also Archivist: PUAs give bad advice.

Me: So who gives good advice?

Archivist: There’s no good advice, just be a virgin who spends his whole life memorizing PUA trivia like me and regurgitating it on demand in the last remaining PUA forum.

He’s so stupid he doesn’t get that if you’re spending your whole day doing pickup, you don’t have time for a job, so you might as well make pickup your job, and in the process help thousands.

What he calls “neuroticism” is PASSION. But of course an autist would know nothing of it. PUAs being passionate about PUA? What a strange notion. But everyone knows that the first time you get success from PUA, you’re hooked for life. Therefore Archivist has never succeeded at it. He sounds like he’s never even tried it.

He puts his ugly spin on every factoid he spews, and it’s disgusting.

[Archivist]

“They commercialized their neuroses into bad PUA advice.”

What’s neurotic about your wife divorcing you?

What’s bad about Krauser’s dirt-simple pickup model?

Krauser's divorce was the cause of his neurosis.   The effect was a decade of blogging and four volumes of 500+ page memoirs.

Anyway, Krauser's simple day game was fine for him because he is short and bald, but articulate.  He would not succeed in nightclubs like tall Aaron Sleazy.  Krauser had flexible jobs with time to explore London.  Krauser and Aaron Sleazy were both forthright about conveying their sexual intent.  They subtly escalated, and if the women were not receptive and cooperative, then they moved on.  This is much better than "ploughing" and trying to change a woman's mind.

[Some guy2]

There was no neurosis. Good work is not the result of neurosis. It’s the result of passion. His books and blog posts and videos are not evidence of neurosis. They are the end products of a decade of hard work.

You’re stupid. And it shows in every post you make.

[Archivist]

His books and blog posts ... are the end products of a decade of hard work.

Here is your comment under Krauser's Memoir Update:  Volume Six.

SomeGuy
December 3, 2020 at 2:12 pm
Dammit. Here I was thinking you’d post something about how you smashed during quarantine so that I could live vicariously through it whilst I sit here getting fat eating oat cookies.
https://krauserpua.com/2020/12/02/memoir...olume-six/

I'm sorry for deprecating your wank archive.

[Some guy2]

That’s not me.

Every post.

Stupid.

[Archivist]

That’s not me.

Sure.  What about this one, with Krauser's response?

icycalm
June 29, 2014 at 6:30 pm
In raw terms, sex is a MEANS. A form of REPRODUCTION (and one among many — see “asexual reproduction”).
...
[b][Just bear in mind IcyCalm and Sam Neumann are as gamma as any gamma who has ever lived. Treat their comments as self-absorbed rambling rather than true counterpoints. K.][/b]

https://krauserpua.com/2014/06/25/birdsong/

[Some guy2]

That’s me.