[burnerman3000]

I am curious on what's everyone views on this topic. I was a lot younger when I first joined this forum in its original form and accordingly, dated much younger girls. Nowadays, many girls in my approximate age range (30-40) are either:

1) Single but crazy: Divorced and/or Rode the cock carousel for long enough and looking for the real men now.
2) Single but with kids: Had kids early and now single
3) Divorced with kids: Got married early, had kids, now single.
4) Date younger girls only

#4 is obviously the best solution but especially in the USA, alot seem to expect sugerdaddies if they want to date or LTR.

Solutions?

Go abroad?

[Sangango2]

i'm in the same situation after a LTR. it seems difficult to find a decent one again.

single but crazy seems good for short time dating but not for LTR. if she's not crazy but just rode the cock carousel i wouldn't mind because i did the same with pussy, so fair enough.

dating younger girls is difficult of course and as you said some might just be looking for sugardaddies.

going abroad will put you in a better dating situation obviously but then you have to deal with all the struggles of being the outsider.

if you are fine with dating women with children of course you have a lot more options. some guys really love children and apparently don't mind taking care of them even if they come from strangers. personally, i would be okay with having those women as FWBs but i don't want to meet their kids. for LTR i wouldn't do it because i don't like getting into these cucked situation regularly. their kids will always have priority over you and it just sucks how unreliable they are: i have not time my kid needs this, i need to pick them up there, their father did blablabla. no thanks.

currently i have multiple FWBs to cope with it and so far it seems like a good solution, not sure for how long though. at least they don't want to have children which is pretty relaxed. the women approaching 40 who want to take their last chance to get pregnant are the worst, they will gaslight you by playing nice and probably wouldn't have opted for you in their younger years. so you can imagine how it ends if you fall for it. probably you'll just get trapped as betabux while she'll lose interest in you within the coming years since you were never first choice anyway.

[burnerman3000]

i'm in the same situation after a LTR. it seems difficult to find a decent one again.

single but crazy seems good for short time dating but not for LTR. if she's not crazy but just rode the cock carousel i wouldn't mind because i did the same with pussy, so fair enough.

dating younger girls is difficult of course and as you said some might just be looking for sugardaddies.

going abroad will put you in a better dating situation obviously but then you have to deal with all the struggles of being the outsider.

if you are fine with dating women with children of course you have a lot more options. some guys really love children and apparently don't mind taking care of them even if they come from strangers. personally, i would be okay with having those women as FWBs but i don't want to meet their kids. for LTR i wouldn't do it because i don't like getting into these cucked situation regularly. their kids will always have priority over you and it just sucks how unreliable they are: i have not time my kid needs this, i need to pick them up there, their father did blablabla. no thanks.

currently i have multiple FWBs to cope with it and so far it seems like a good solution, not sure for how long though. at least they don't want to have children which is pretty relaxed. the women approaching 40 who want to take their last chance to get pregnant are the worst, they will gaslight you by playing nice and probably wouldn't have opted for you in their younger years. so you can imagine how it ends if you fall for it. probably you'll just get trapped as betabux while she'll lose interest in you within the coming years since you were never first choice anyway.

Same problems in Germany? Women there are pretty relaxed about having kids right?

[nampa]

I am curious on what's everyone views on this topic. I was a lot younger when I first joined this forum in its original form and accordingly, dated much younger girls. Nowadays, many girls in my approximate age range (30-40) are either:

1) Single but crazy: Divorced and/or Rode the cock carousel for long enough and looking for the real men now.
2) Single but with kids: Had kids early and now single
3) Divorced with kids: Got married early, had kids, now single.
4) Date younger girls only

#4 is obviously the best solution but especially in the USA, a lot seem to expect sugerdaddies if they want to date or LTR.

Solutions?

Go abroad?

I never had to stoop to dating women with kids, but it's foreseeable that this could happen for men as they get older and the 10 years or so age gap intersects with this age of women. 
Having sex with a single mom is one thing, a relationship is another for a variety of reasons:

1. Estranged dad in the equation
2. Kid always has priority and obviously will resent you
3. on the hook for the kid financially because of purposefully destructive divorce and child support laws
4. Self-respect issues

Saying that, I am coming to the conclusion that marrying (abroad in a country without child support treaties with USA) might be the best solution. In that case, single moms aren't much of an issue. There are quality single moms in Latin America, where single moms are the norm, that could be good women to procreate with. They may manipulate you to come to usa or the laws could be changed allowing them to sue you for support in usa.

[Papacito]

It depends on how old you are, what do you look like, what you want and so on.
I'm just going to assume a woman to settle down with:

I'm in the same situation right now, I'll be 34 next month and I'm fed up with the player life. Women 10-12 years younger are currently not a problem.

A woman with a child? Difficult... I currently have a FWB situation with a girl who would otherwise be a top LTR girl in all aspects, she is absolutely my type, character-wise it fits and so on. The shitty thing is that she has a child (I only found out after 6 dates haha). It's kind of a difficult thought, especially if you want your own children. How she will manage her attention?

She will have constant contact with her ex. Parentsevening at the other child's school, she and her ex go, you get to sit at home watching TV. And countless other scenarios that are definitely not good and somehow emasculating, both for you and for your ex, to be honest.

[Archivist]

girls in my approximate age range (30-40) are either:

1) Single but crazy: Divorced and/or Rode the cock carousel ...
2) Single but with kids:
3) Divorced with kids:
4) Date younger girls only

Yes, it is a red flag when people remain single with no history of serious relationships by a certain age.  Give women over 30 more consideration if they had serious education and career accomplishments in their twenties, e.g., a Ph.D. or M.D.  If she was busy in grad school or moving for prestigious jobs, then she has some excuse.

You forgot:

  5)  Divorced without kids.

Many young women make stupid choices and have a failed "starter marriage".  Then they get divorced without kids by their early thirties.

You know Rollo's famous SMV graph:

https://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/f...g-the-smp/

Women in their twenties have a 2:1 ratio of available single men.  For example, using the "half your age plus 7" rule, and 22-year-old women might date men from 21- to 30-years old, but a 22-year-old man might date women from age 18-22.  The woman dates a ten-year age range, but the man dates only a five-year age range!  But as the women age, the older men are more likely to be married or paired off.  A 30-year-old woman might date men from 29 to 46, but most of those men are married.  A 30-year-old man can date 22-31, mostly single women.

This ratio effect is huge.  In engineering schools with 60% men, only 40 out of 60 men get matched.  That means that one-third of the men become temporary incels.  Young women reject men because the men are under 6' tall, or wear old-man shoes or use an Android phone instead of an Apple I-phone.  In NYC or DC, the average age of marriage is 30.  So women face a dramatic shift at this age.  They must decide whether to date a man who is short, or Indian, or lacking money or a college degree.  Or these women can remain single for a few more years in a deteriorating market and risk never having children.

https://igotstandardsbro.com/

[nampa]

I feel the calculus for this could be changing as one gets older. At what age (49?) is dating an early thirties quality single mom become a viable option?
Kids are older and will be out of the house soon; women is still fertile; may finally be less out of control because of being burned by bad boy, absent dad?

I am dating a late 20s chick, no kids, but she has some Latina mercurial mood issues and she is not as high quality as some as the moms I have dated in the past, but didn't take seriously.