NEW RULES: Casual sex and hooking up can no longer be discussed on the forum
05-23-2019, 02:51 PM
Since I started reading this forum in 2012, I viewed it as one of the few places men were able to speak freely in order to build each other up and become better, whatever that meant to each of us individually. As many here have already said, even if one does ultimately arrive at an Augustinian destination where they renounce a life of sin and debauchery and turn their full devotion to God (or just their loving wife), the journey is still a prerequisite for that arrival.
Imagine, if you will, marrying the first girl you ever had intercourse with. She'd destroy your life. Even with good game, a cool lifestyle, and experience with women, some of them will still fuck up a man's life to the point he considers suicide. I was there myself not so long ago. A girl I thought I would marry, who I moved internationally for and spent who knows how much money on supporting her and taking her traveling while she finished her education, decided one day that, nope - four years of a loving, monogamous relationship aiming toward lifelong marriage and building a family just wasn't exciting enough, so she ditched me to go on a vacation with her single friends and dumped me via text. The kicker: I was not a blind idiot when I met that girl. My notch count was in the dozens, and I'd traveled to over twenty countries and captured almost as many flags. Let me be clear, I blame myself for the failure of that relationship - for not holding frame as well as I should have, for not recognizing warning signs, and for not choosing a better partner. But the point is that it can happen to anyone, even a guy who is prepared for it. In these times, a monogamous relationship with a woman is an uphill fight through razorwire and broken glass, no matter which God or future the two of you center your lives around. The unprepared will never make it.
Maybe in 1885, in some small Midwestern village, it was possible two virgins could get married and their eyes never wander, for man and woman to be perfect loyal compliments. But that is not the situation we live in anymore. Human sexuality was probably always an arms race to a degree, but at this point it definitely is, and we are approaching a singularity moment. Without the proper preparation and tools, the average man is at such a hopeless disadvantage he is totally at the whim of his woman's conscience. That is not a whim I would want to live on.
The whole point of Dante's "Divine Comedy" is that before we can reach Paradise, we must overcome Hell. You need experience with women to understand them, and to navigate the labyrinth that is sexual relationships. That was probably always true to a degree, but in the 21st century as technology has become ubiquitous and social engineering has created a consequence-free existence even for the most repulsive-looking women, it is undeniable. Men need to come to this battle armed or they do not stand a chance.
Roosh, your work has helped millions of men to avoid these pitfalls. I am not anyone's judge, and will always appreciate the help your hard work has given me to learn from the mistakes I made with women in the past. But I see this as a tragic turn of events and will mourn the passing of this place as one where men could freely share notes and help each other pursue our own happiness, purpose, and fulfillment in life. There aren't many of those left.
EDIT: reading back over this, I think I should add that I understand Roosh's reasons for his decision and will of course respect it. The thing I have always admired about Roosh is that he is true to his convictions, so even if I disagree with this change, I will not call it unfair. Festivus came early this year, I'm just airing a (objectively pretty minor) grievance.
"If you're gonna raise a ruckus, one word of advice: if you're gonna do wrong, buddy, do wrong right."
