[dontuan]

I was in Bucharest around 6 years ago and there were tons of pretty girls everywhere, especially in the old town lipscani, malls, student areas. It kind of made up for how run down and a mess the city was. I've been back here now for a couple of weeks and what a difference a few years makes. The old town center has become a lot more touristic and is overrun with families and middle aged people. The food shops for locals are gone and replaced with overpriced chains like several Starbucks, subway sandwiches, KFC, etc. Even the clubs and nightlife are way worse than before. Mind you, nightlife in Bucharest was never that great either and the ratios leaned heavily toward sausagefest.

It's still Romania so whenever I see a girls in the 18 to 25 age range, they were more likely than not to be attractive. It's just that there's a lot less of these younger women and more everything else (Thirsty dudes, families, elderly people, gypsies etc). Did an alien spaceship come down and beam up all the good looking women? I think they're still around, probably they found other places to hang out. Anyone know where would be good day game spots in Bucharest?

I was thinking maybe I should ditch this city and hit up Brasov or one of the more pleasant places in Romania. From what I read there's a college there with nice and approachable girls. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[Shimmy]

(05-06-2019 06:57 PM)dontuan Wrote:  

Did an alien spaceship come down and beam up all the good looking women?

That's correct, if by "alien spaceship" you mean German and Austrian brothels.

[jasond]

Czech brothels too, as well as the London escort scene. Romania joined the EU in 2013, and ever since then most good-looking girls have left to work in P4P.

After Ukraine got visa-free access to the EU in 2017, the same thing happened with their women too. They are spread throughout Europe on holidays with their sugar-daddies. Kiev 2019 is very different from Kiev 2015.

[rishboy77]

(05-06-2019 07:35 PM)jasond Wrote:  

Czech brothels too, as well as the London escort scene. Romania joined the EU in 2013, and ever since then most good-looking girls have left to work in P4P.

After Ukraine got visa-free access to the EU in 2017, the same thing happened with their women too. They are spread throughout Europe on holidays with their sugar-daddies. Kiev 2019 is very different from Kiev 2015.

Can you expand on Kiev ?

When were you last there ?

I stopped going there now almost 3 years ago but from the reports on the forum and talking to local friends and acquaintances .... seems like UA is getting a bit a resurgence these days..maybe because less guys are going there then 5 years ago.
I was debating if still worth going there anymore ?

[cruzinV]

Damn if its true about them going to work at brothels at such a prime age that is beyond sad. Why would any girl whose not a drug addict do that.

[AOC's Missing Boyfriend]

(05-06-2019 06:57 PM)dontuan Wrote:  

I was in Bucharest around 6 years ago and there were tons of pretty girls everywhere, especially in the old town lipscani, malls, student areas. It kind of made up for how run down and a mess the city was. I've been back here now for a couple of weeks and what a difference a few years makes. The old town center has become a lot more touristic and is overrun with families and middle aged people. The food shops for locals are gone and replaced with overpriced chains like several Starbucks, subway sandwiches, KFC, etc. Even the clubs and nightlife are way worse than before. Mind you, nightlife in Bucharest was never that great either and the ratios leaned heavily toward sausagefest.

It's still Romania so whenever I see a girls in the 18 to 25 age range, they were more likely than not to be attractive. It's just that there's a lot less of these younger women and more everything else (Thirsty dudes, families, elderly people, gypsies etc). Did an alien spaceship come down and beam up all the good looking women? I think they're still around, probably they found other places to hang out. Anyone know where would be good day game spots in Bucharest?

I was thinking maybe I should ditch this city and hit up Brasov or one of the more pleasant places in Romania. From what I read there's a college there with nice and approachable girls. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

DT i was going to ignore your question, then I see you're a stealth forum legend...

My knowledge on central europe is a bit weak to be honest.

Are things changing? no doubt. for certain.

I knew a guy in game, he's like a way older class than me, and he used to be in warzones gaming because that's where the best action was. He seemed to have tremendous luck in avoiding dying in fiery blasts.

Look, he was probably right, it was like nowhere else gaming there (in Latin America at the time). But it had an expiration date... For sure.

Is shit going downhill in Romania, Eastern EU Europe right now? Yes no doubt... Croatia, Romania, Hungary, etc. Be creative, use your imagination. EU EE is losing it's stock very quickly. This is why so many people on the forum are huge pushers of Russia, Ukraine. Think why this is... Answer is obvious.

-AOCMBF

[Aquarius]

(05-06-2019 07:35 PM)jasond Wrote:  

Czech brothels too, as well as the London escort scene. Romania joined the EU in 2013, and ever since then most good-looking girls have left to work in P4P.

After Ukraine got visa-free access to the EU in 2017, the same thing happened with their women too. They are spread throughout Europe on holidays with their sugar-daddies. Kiev 2019 is very different from Kiev 2015.

This has got to be the most blackpilled response I've ever seen in my life, to an already blackpilled thread. Yes, it is 2019 and we live in a clown world and I'm sure it has spread from Ground Zero in the Anglosphere into Eastern Europe too.

There's no way "most good looking girls" end up working in brothels of all places. Only druggies and the most desperate village girls, who would've been just as busted and likely involved in the same line of work in Kiev or Bucharest anyways, would resort to this. And I'm sure the outflow of Romanians to Western Europe are disproportionately gypsy if anything.

Nothing in this world is handed to you on a plate. If effort is being put into understanding Romanian culture, perhaps by learning some Romanian, making some friends among Bucharest locals, and being involved in business in Romania in some fashion, likely these same hot girls that's harder now to find in cold approach would come right back to you. We're back to a more social circle oriented world now.

And on Kiev, I can definitely see it on the rise if anything. Economically it has definitely bottomed out and turned a corner, and it seems that relations with Russia are almost certainly to be normalized (e.g. unbanning of VK, restoration of full visa free access and direct flights, removal of many civilian sector sanctions) within the next 5 years. Even Donbass seems like its well on its way of stabilizing as a peaceful but geopolitically ambiguous frozen conflict zone similar to Abkhazia.

While we might lament about economic growth, for a solidly second world country like Ukraine, a better economy means less girls working in Poland, more venues (day or night) to choose from, better quality of life and business opportunities (important for running social circle game), and more girls being able to afford going out and improving their SMV via clothes/makeup.

[AOC's Missing Boyfriend]

(05-06-2019 11:47 PM)Aquarius Wrote:  

This has got to be the most blackpilled thread I've ever seen in my life. Yes, it is 2019 and we live in a clown world and I'm sure it has spread from Ground Zero in the Anglosphere into Eastern Europe too.

There's no way "most good looking girls" end up working in brothels of all places. Only druggies and the most desperate village girls, who would've been just as busted and likely involved in the same line of work in Kiev or Bucharest anyways, would resort to this. And I'm sure the outflow of Romanians to Western Europe are disproportionately gypsy if anything.

Nothing in this world is handed to you on a plate. If you put effort into understanding Romanian culture, perhaps by learning some Romanian, making some friends among Bucharest locals, and being involved in business in Romania in some fashion, likely these same hot girls you found missing would come right back to you. We're back to a more social circle oriented world now.

And on Kiev, I can definitely see it on the rise if anything. Economically it has definitely bottomed out and turned a corner, and it seems that relations with Russia are almost certainly to be normalized (e.g. unbanning of VK, restoration of full visa free access and direct flights, removal of many civilian sector sanctions) within the next 5 years. Even Donbass seems like its well on its way of stabilizing as a peaceful but geopolitically ambiguous frozen conflict zone similar to Abkhazia.

While we might lament about economic growth, for a solidly second world country like Ukraine, a better economy means less girls working in Poland, more venues (day or night) to choose from, better quality of life and business opportunities (important for running social circle game), and more girls being able to afford going out and improving their SMV via clothes/makeup.

This is going to be painfully meta, but the game echo-chamber is getting really bad these days. This is probably because of the ongoing deterioration of the US, both as a place to game, and a place to live. A good case could be made that the manosphere in the past few years turned from a place that was game-positive, to a place that is black-pill (game-negative).

Things are exaggerated and because the group think is subtly encouraged, idiots end up leading the sheep...

Your comment here makes a lot of sense. Things are changing everywhere, and the best thing is to go local...

+1 for Ukraine FSU comments. You have a lot of insight man...

[Shimmy]

Anyone who think only drugged out girls are involved in the sex industry probably spent too much time in America in the past and have a warped sense of reality. Even now a days in the US a huge % population of attractive single girls are working in the sex industry. If you don't think that's true you have never browsed seekingarrangement.com or think that having sugar daddies is some kind of p4p loophole like those girls do.

[AOC's Missing Boyfriend]

(05-07-2019 12:01 AM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Anyone who think only drugged out girls are involved in the sex industry probably spent too much time in America in the past and have a warped sense of reality. Even now a days in the US a huge % population of attractive single girls are working in the sex industry. If you don't think that's true you have never browsed seekingarrangement.com or think that having sugar daddies is some kind of p4p loophole like those girls do.

What is huge though? In one day a sex-worker could get with 10 men, who knows, maybe even more? It's not a 1:1 situation... It's sex work. Parity isn't needed because a woman sees multiple Johns.

I would suspect that it's no more than 1-2 percent of women involved in sex work, in any meaningful way... Why, because that's all it takes in terms of numbers...

Despite what others on the forum say, I would maintain that SA amounts to soft prostitution, but they are free to stay hoodwinked if that leads them to believe that they have "game". To each, his own.

[Aquarius]

(05-07-2019 12:01 AM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Anyone who think only drugged out girls are involved in the sex industry probably spent too much time in America in the past and have a warped sense of reality. Even now a days in the US a huge % population of attractive single girls are working in the sex industry. If you don't think that's true you have never browsed seekingarrangement.com or think that having sugar daddies is some kind of p4p loophole like those girls do.

We aren't talking about being escorts here, but brothels or streetwalkers. As in these places with red curtains, where you walk in, find a girl to bang, pay her, and exit immediately hoping that no ones sees you exit. These girls no matter where you go in the world are extremely busted.

These escorts you switched your topic into are definitely a form of p4p/prostitution, but its completely different from the brothels y'all were talking about. First of all, there are already big escort populations in Kiev and Bucharest, both capitals of corrupt, oligarchic nations with the latter still having a large mafia contingent. Second of all, high end escorts can easily leave their home country without bezviz. Russia still has a visa wall with the EU, but this doesn't prevent the hordes of Russian p4p escorts/sugarbabies from setting foot in Western Europe, nor did it prevent Ukrainians doing the same in the Yanukovich era. Let's be real here. Ukrainian high end escorts in places like Germany were definitely a thing back in 2012 or so. Its not like they showed up out of nowhere in 2017 after bezviz.

After bezviz instead of a rush of the hottest girls of Ukraine working in p4p in Western Europe, all we see has been a rush of majority (but not mostly) men going to Poland and Czech Republic for work.

Likewise, the true major effect of Romania joining the EU were mediocre, lower income girls working in Italy and the UK, while the hottest Romanian girls have always, and always will, stay in Bucharest with top tier Romanian guys.

We only see hotties flood out of a country when said country becomes no longer livable for the wealthy and even then, they stick to themselves abroad too.

[AOC's Missing Boyfriend]

^^^We have a huge problem with globalism obviously and that tinges a lot of comments here. But clearly women can leave if they see enough financial incentive. The idea that everything is completely dependent on the visa situation is a bit of a gross oversimplification...

Visas are great and all, and EU for that matter, but money speaks even more.

[Shimmy]

Yeah you're right, any girl who works in a brothel is a drugged out and/or busted. Keep sipping the matriarch kool-aid.

[AOC's Missing Boyfriend]

(05-07-2019 12:45 AM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Yeah you're right, any girl who works in a brothel is a drugged out and/or busted. Keep sipping the matriarch kool-aid.

HAHAHA. Yeah, they are all drug addicts. But seriously, it's good money... It's just selling your soul in some sense. Rational women (bit of a misnomer here) always describe stripping/ porn/ sex work in completely rational terms... Just like a man would describe it. Not surprising at all giving the huge payoffs if you play things the right way. You wonder how they make all this money, but it's just male thirst. A huge industry.

[Brosemite]

(05-07-2019 12:01 AM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Anyone who think only drugged out girls are involved in the sex industry probably spent too much time in America in the past and have a warped sense of reality. Even now a days in the US a huge % population of attractive single girls are working in the sex industry. If you don't think that's true you have never browsed seekingarrangement.com or think that having sugar daddies is some kind of p4p loophole like those girls do.

I wouldn't say a "huge % of attractive females" are working at strip clubs or doing SA in the US...but yes there are definitely some good looking women going at that angle.

For every attractive female that works at a strip club or does SA in the US, there are many more tatted up weird looking gals or fatties that benefit off the male thirst as well.

As for strip clubs, some chicks do it voluntarily while some foreign women perform these acts on the same terms as well...can't forget women that are brought here via trafficking as well which leans towards involuntary.

We can't forget the notion that there are indeed many non-busted/non-drug addict females with good genes from small villages in dire need of help so they'll listen to a mob that "promises opportunities in the big city" only to be "forcibly stuck" in some form of the trade for years too. Applies to Asia as well...heck that's how male labor is attracted to build many of the architectural pieces in Dubai while having their passports taken away indefinitely...

Let's get back to the topic at hand which would be Romanian/Eastern European chicks regarding this specific thread

[AOC's Missing Boyfriend]

(05-07-2019 01:04 AM)Brosemite Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 12:01 AM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Anyone who think only drugged out girls are involved in the sex industry probably spent too much time in America in the past and have a warped sense of reality. Even now a days in the US a huge % population of attractive single girls are working in the sex industry. If you don't think that's true you have never browsed seekingarrangement.com or think that having sugar daddies is some kind of p4p loophole like those girls do.

I wouldn't say a "huge % of attractive females" are working at strip clubs or doing SA in the US...but yes there are definitely some good looking women going at that angle.

For every attractive female that works at a strip club or does SA in the US, there are many more tatted up weird looking gals or fatties that benefit off the male thirst as well.

As for strip clubs, some chicks do it voluntarily while some foreign women perform these acts on the same terms as well...can't forget women that are brought here via trafficking as well which leans towards involuntary.

Let's get back to the topic at hand which would be Romanian/Eastern European chicks regarding this specific thread

This probably amounts to a confession.

But, the North Korea flag looks to have changed recently.

[BangBoy123]

Romanian girls are still in the country, but you can't see them much on the streets as they're at home flicking the bean on webcam to some American perverts. If Romania girls are attractive, and happy to stay in Romania then this is a good career choice for them

[Salt Lake City Quant]

(05-07-2019 02:59 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

Romanian girls are still in the country, but you can't see them much on the streets as they're at home flicking the bean on webcam to some American perverts. If Romania girls are attractive, and happy to stay in Romania then this is a good career choice for them

You could call this honesty, BB123. But i'm quite disturbed about number of girls that appear on pornhub/ xvideos offering webcams. Look i'm not good with flags of countries so to speak. But how is it that now I can remember Moldova and Romania flags. Big problem.

[Barron]

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

I was in Romania last year and I can't recommend it to anyone. I've never had to dealed with so many thieves, scammers and dishonest people in my entire life. Such a depressing place with all the grey concrete (at least in other former communist states they know how to put some colour on it).

If you want to know some details about shit I experienced there I've linked to some posts below here. I could almost write a book about all the rude people I met in this country.

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thread-20601...pid1880158

And an important point which has to be considered is this:

The girls actually believe that you are a sort of loser for just coming there, even if your income is 4 times higher than the local average. Obviously it depends on the guy himself but in general I don't think you will have much of an exotic foreigner advantage. I was almost always asked by girls and guys why I would travel to Romania and why I had learned romanian on a level where I'm able to have minor discussions. They would give me this strange look as if I was an idiot for coming there and is if I was a loser for bothering about learning romanian (and in retrospect they were right, I should never have set my foot there).

If you're naive enough to go there anyway I'd suggest to keep away from the Eastern parts and focus more on the western parts where you'll have more native Hungarians and more polite people. Mamaia beach is beautiful and is next to Constanta and the black sea and has some cool clubs, and there were some hot girls but it's hard since the club sluts are usually not that polite even if you like me, speak the language to some extent.

[JekyllAndHyde]

(05-06-2019 06:57 PM)dontuan Wrote:  

I was thinking maybe I should ditch this city and hit up Brasov or one of the more pleasant places in Romania. From what I read there's a college there with nice and approachable girls. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Have you read the book Poosy Paradise by Roosh set in Iasi?
I'd imagine if Bang Czech Republic was written instead of Bang Poland then Czech Republic wouldn't be as underrated.



But we wouldn't want to base our trips to make sweet love to local women entirely on one source.

I have never been to Romania but the Romanians I have encountered in person abroad are there to pursue better paying jobs.

In addition to meeting them in person the quality in Romania seems to be a little lower than compared to Central Europe based on pipelining online and if the best girls that can be deliberately selected for a music video are these lots even if they are supposedly gypsies such as:

(05-07-2019 03:29 AM)Barron Wrote:  

[rudebwoy]

Many Romanians have left the country for better job opportunities, the UK has a boat load of them working in the service industry.

Over a decade ago, Canada issued visas to strippers from Romania. I'm sure they weren't all forced into the profession and obviously it is a way for them to make $$$ to send back home.

[BangBoy123]

(05-07-2019 05:40 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

I was in Romania last year and I can't recommend it to anyone. I've never had to dealed with so many thieves, scammers and dishonest people in my entire life. Such a depressing place with all the grey concrete (at least in other former communist states they know how to put some colour on it).

If you want to know some details about shit I experienced there I've linked to some posts below here. I could almost write a book about all the rude people I met in this country.

thread-68744...pid1945580
thread-20601...pid1880158

And an important point which has to be considered is this:

The girls actually believe that you are a sort of loser for just coming there, even if your income is 4 times higher than the local average. Obviously it depends on the guy himself but in general I don't think you will have much of an exotic foreigner advantage. I was almost always asked by girls and guys why I would travel to Romania and why I had learned romanian on a level where I'm able to have minor discussions. They would give me this strange look as if I was an idiot for coming there and is if I was a loser for bothering about learning romanian (and in retrospect they were right, I should never have set my foot there).

If you're naive enough to go there anyway I'd suggest to keep away from the Eastern parts and focus more on the western parts where you'll have more native Hungarians and more polite people. Mamaia beach is beautiful and is next to Constanta and the black sea and has some cool clubs, and there were some hot girls but it's hard since the club sluts are usually not that polite even if you like me, speak the language to some extent.

I agree with the scamming, I haven't been to Bucharest in many years but when I was there they tried (and mostly succeeded) to scam me at every opportunity, Taxi, foreign exchange, even the metro ffs.

Also I was in another Romanian city with a friend and he was relieved of his phone.

They have a saying in Ukraine that has probably held true over the centuries :

A man who rides his horse to Romania comes back on foot.

[Rocha]

^ Originally they say that a guy who goes there on a horse, comes back by foot.

[BangBoy123]

(05-07-2019 10:43 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

^ Originally they say that a guy who goes there on a horse, comes back by foot.

Exactly