[Transsimian]

(03-28-2019 01:47 AM)rotekz Wrote:  

With the strobe light it is possible the shooter liked that strobe-shooting scene in the movie 'Kick-Ass'.

When the shooting first happened Vox Day suggested that NZ is being prepared as a SHTF bolthole for the elites. Now a NZ anon repeats this and claims Comey is over in Queenstown, Barak (the 'prince'?) possibly on the way, and Adern is going to ignore future extradition requests for Cabal fugitives.

I'm generally skeptical about over complex conspiracy, but if NZ repeals the extradition treaty soon, then I'll eat humble pie and agree with you about the shooting being convenient.

[rockoman]

"When the gunman began to attack the Al Noor mosque, Ahmed Alayedy scrambled to get to the nearest emergency exit.

He was the first one there.

"I tried to open the door," he said.

"But it doesn't open."

Alayedy and other survivors of the March 15 mosque attacks in New Zealand have described to The Associated Press a scene of confusion and terror at the door on one side of the main prayer room, in the first accounts of the role the door played.

Alayedy said so many people began crushing him against the door that some of his ribs cracked. Another survivor, Khaled Alnobani, says he thinks as many as 17 people may have died trying to get out through the door.

Investigators have likely examined a new electric locking system installed on the door in the days before the attack. The mosque says an electrician disabled that system the day before the attack, although some of those who escaped question whether that was the case. What is clear is that nobody managed to open the door that afternoon.

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic...d=12217305

"a new electric locking system installed on the door in the days before the attack"

" The mosque says an electrician disabled that system the day before the attack, .." - what did he disable exactly?

"What is clear is that nobody managed to open the door that afternoon."


Hmm!

[Disco_Volante]

Tried to get out the door? They just stood there and fell straight down. They weren't trying to get through anything.

Remember the skeptics surmised they had training to play dead, There was no fleeing or struggling that's why it is so weird. They dropped exactly where they stood, the idea they were trying to budge a door open is nonsense.

[rockoman]

(03-28-2019 10:43 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

Tried to get out the door? They just stood there and fell straight down. They weren't trying to get through anything.

Remember the skeptics surmised they had training to play dead, There was no fleeing or struggling that's why it is so weird. They dropped exactly where they stood, the idea they were trying to budge a door open is nonsense.

I agree with you that the video is absurd as a portrayal of a massacre. If the murders did occur, then they did not appear in that video.

The possibility (likelihood for me at this current stage) is that the murders were real and that the video was meant either as a distraction or as means of implicating a specific suspect (Tarrant or whoever is playing that part), but that because it contains one or more elements that 'give the game away' it is being suppressed.

There are other possibilities as well.

We can't afford to rule out too much at this stage.

[sterling_archer]

As stupid as my question sounds, is there evidence that people died? If so, rockoman's theory makes sense. Video is fake, but dead people are real. Again, it all comes down to why fake the video, something we might never know for sure why happened.

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's still difficult to believe that it could be faked under those circumstances.

Any number of hundreds of people were driving by at the time it happened and the thousands within a mile of it would have heard the gunshots. They would be able to verify what they heard against the video as well as it's supposed timing.

It's important to be thorough when assessing these situations because if you go off half-cocked then you lose credibility.

1) The gunshots would have been audible to thousands of people in the area, many of whom would have started recording devices or simply left recording devices running which were already recording.
*question: have any such recordings surfaced, a quick search yields nothing, none exist or algorithms are blocking them? This alone is odd.

2) Tarrant's vehicle passed by hundreds of motorists and dozens of pedestrians, all of whom should be able to verify the gunshots and Tarrant's vehicle passing them, not only existing in conjunction with each other but in the context of the livestream. In the age of social media there should be thousands of posts to the effect of "he drove right by me" and "that's me in the video at the crossing" etc. Are there any such posts?

IMO the reason for the extreme censorship over this event is that if it were staged or partially staged then that censorship would give cover for why we don't have dozens of videos of distant "pop pop poppapop" and tens of thousands of "omg I was almost killed" messages on social media.

It's hard to fake people being killed. Extended family. Schools. Etc Etc Too many questions. IMO the evidence points to the murders being real but the circumstances being fake, hence the immediate cleanup and immense censorship crackdown, which as I noted earlier is less about censoring content and more about giving a phony premise to explain a total absence of crowd-sourced evidence and testimony.

[sterling_archer]

(03-28-2019 12:35 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's hard to fake people being killed. Extended family. Schools. Etc Etc Too many questions. IMO the evidence points to the murders being real but the circumstances being fake

Basically Sandy Hook v2.0.

[mpr]

A Hostile RamzPaul by Turkish News Station About Christchurch Shooting

[Disco_Volante]

(03-28-2019 12:35 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's still difficult to believe that it could be faked under those circumstances.
It's hard to fake people being killed. Extended family. Schools. Etc Etc Too many questions.

They have their own separate insular community. They're threatening prison time for even posting about this on social media. The judge is blocking the public from viewing ANYTHING from this case. Kiwis have no recourse against this, they aren't even allowed to ask questions. Again, you're under the mindset that curious journalists and curious neighbors exist and are even allowed to ask questions.
You don't have to "trick" people when the government threatens prison time and the media will only print narrative anyways.

It's not like some old, hardened detective is looking into this at the logical things you mentioned. Shit was scrubbed immediately with mandatory silence enforced.

[rockoman]

A named witness says a gunman was picked up by accomplices waiting for him in a car.


"The shooting attack which, according to New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, appeared to have been well-planned, left 49 people killed and 42 others wounded.

Witnesses have said his accomplices waited in a car outside the mosques but the mainstream media narrative has only focused on the main attacker and the other members of the gang are not mentioned at all.

Police have so far arrested an Australian man, identified as Brenton Harrison Tarrant, for the shooting and charged him with one count of murder while more charges were expected to come. This is while four people, including a woman, were initially arrested, one of whom was released hours later.

Witnesses say they saw one assailant fleeing the scene after joining some other people who were waiting for him.

"The young guy, who usually takes care of the mosque ... he saw an opportunity and pounced on the gunman and took his gun," said Syed Mazharuddin, who witnessed the shooting attack. “There were people waiting for him [gunman] in the car and he fled."

.......
"He also said that it took police too long to arrive at the scene. "The police also took 20 minutes to come…. There was no traffic about. You need two minute [maximum] response."

https://www.presstv.com/DetailFr/2019/03...e-massacre

[rotekz]

(03-28-2019 02:30 PM)mpr Wrote:  

A Hostile RamzPaul by Turkish News Station About Christchurch Shooting

It was brave but perhaps unwise of Ramzpaul to go on the media like that. Maybe he thought a Turkish station would be less converged. They actually put 'White Supremacist' under his name! Paul is not a combative debater and clearly had a huge adrenaline dump when the hostility was revealed. He fought through it though and managed to counter all the attacks quite effectively. The presenter was amateur compared to Western ones and actually let Paul speak his rebuttals relatively unimpeded.

[Sooth]

Just seen this on facebook from a guy in QUEENSTOWN!

Air rifles don't even need a license.

[Zevs]

(03-28-2019 06:58 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

Just seen this on facebook from a guy in QUEENSTOWN!

Air rifles don't even need a license.

This is going to happen next in Australia. The devil worshippers are going to have their way whether we like it or not

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

https://unv.is/dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Islam.html

[Bienvenuto]

(03-28-2019 11:47 PM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  



https://unv.is/dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Islam.html

Sonny Bill could successfully pass as an Arab.

Ofa Tu'ungafahisa could not. He might wanna check the treatment of black people by Mohammed as detailed in the Koran. Don't think there's a Melanesian pass in that book.

One thing is sure: Sonny Bill could not successfully pass as a Muslim.

What he knows about Islam you could write on the back of a postage stamp.
More of an attention whore than Kim Kardashian.

[Transsimian]

A huge and very racist image I found on the chans.

Normally I wouldn't share hate speech but it makes a compelling argument that Brenton Tarrant was real and he did kill those people.

Basically, it is being censored to make people feel powerless, and to stop him radicalising others.

[Malone]

(03-29-2019 02:11 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

A huge and very racist image I found on the chans.

Normally I wouldn't share hate speech but it makes a compelling argument that Brenton Tarrant was real and he did kill those people.

Basically, it is being censored to make people feel powerless, and to stop him radicalising others.

That image is unreadable. Got one that hasn't been compressed to shit?

Also, there's no such thing as hate speech. Pull your head out.

[Horus]

One of the top stories in the New Zealand Herald;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic...d=12217160

A Muslim family found a dirty bucket in their yard, and have labelled it an Islamaphobic hate crime.

Damn, I was sceptical about the claims that Muslims face oppression everywhere they go, but this has convinced me that Islamaphobia is very real and we must do something about it.

[Richard Turpin]

(03-29-2019 03:54 AM)Horus Wrote:  

One of the top stories in the New Zealand Herald;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic...d=12217160

A Muslim family found a dirty bucket in their yard, and have labelled it an Islamaphobic hate crime.

Damn, I was sceptical about the claims that Muslims face oppression everywhere they go, but this has convinced me that Islamaphobia is very real and we must do something about it.

Truly awful. Beyond the 'pale', in fact.

[rockoman]

It's all going on in Christchurch. This was yesterday.

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There were more tensions in Christchurch today as armed police swarmed a seaside suburb north of the city.


Spencer Park residents told 1 NEWS dozens of armed officers and the police helicopter descended on a property on Lower Styx Road around 4pm.


Witnesses say four men were seen being taken away after a short standoff.


Police would only say they were executing a pre-planned search warrant, not giving any more details.
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https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zeal...ant=tb_v_4

[rockoman]

(03-28-2019 12:35 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

It's still difficult to believe that it could be faked under those circumstances.

Any number of hundreds of people were driving by at the time it happened and the thousands within a mile of it would have heard the gunshots. They would be able to verify what they heard against the video as well as it's supposed timing.

It's important to be thorough when assessing these situations because if you go off half-cocked then you lose credibility.

1) The gunshots would have been audible to thousands of people in the area, many of whom would have started recording devices or simply left recording devices running which were already recording.
*question: have any such recordings surfaced, a quick search yields nothing, none exist or algorithms are blocking them? This alone is odd.

2) Tarrant's vehicle passed by hundreds of motorists and dozens of pedestrians, all of whom should be able to verify the gunshots and Tarrant's vehicle passing them, not only existing in conjunction with each other but in the context of the livestream. In the age of social media there should be thousands of posts to the effect of "he drove right by me" and "that's me in the video at the crossing" etc. Are there any such posts?

IMO the reason for the extreme censorship over this event is that if it were staged or partially staged then that censorship would give cover for why we don't have dozens of videos of distant "pop pop poppapop" and tens of thousands of "omg I was almost killed" messages on social media.

It's hard to fake people being killed. Extended family. Schools. Etc Etc Too many questions. IMO the evidence points to the murders being real but the circumstances being fake, hence the immediate cleanup and immense censorship crackdown, which as I noted earlier is less about censoring content and more about giving a phony premise to explain a total absence of crowd-sourced evidence and testimony.

Pretty much agree with all of this.

There is a list of the dead and injured. Post mortems have been done etc etc. I would still want to see the documentation (death certificates and post mortem reports) if I were thoroughly researching this, but as Leonard says it's damned difficult to fake all that.

My current view, pending more evidence, is that the killings and this video are two separate events.

So, why make the fake video and produce that manifesto?

In short, to make sure that the blame lands just where the architects of the event want it to land - with a 'right-wing white supremacist'

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(03-29-2019 03:54 AM)Horus Wrote:  

One of the top stories in the New Zealand Herald;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic...d=12217160

A Muslim family found a dirty bucket in their yard, and have labelled it an Islamaphobic hate crime.

Damn, I was sceptical about the claims that Muslims face oppression everywhere they go, but this has convinced me that Islamaphobia is very real and we must do something about it.

Golden paragraph from the article:

Quote:

"This bucket did not exist in my home beforehand," she said in an anguished commentary on the video.

Guys, do you get it? This person isn't merely worried, upset or rattled over what happened. No, they're anguished. Get it? It's horrible!

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/anguished
Noun: excruciating or acute distress, suffering, or pain

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anguished
Synonyms of anguished: tormented, agonized, woeful, tormented, tortured
Examples of anguished in a Sentence: "the military's explanation of the accident did nothing to console the anguished widow"

[TutorGuina]

(03-29-2019 02:44 AM)Malone Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 02:11 AM)Transsimian Wrote:  

A huge and very racist image I found on the chans.

Normally I wouldn't share hate speech but it makes a compelling argument that Brenton Tarrant was real and he did kill those people.

Basically, it is being censored to make people feel powerless, and to stop him radicalising others.

That image is unreadable. Got one that hasn't been compressed to shit?

Also, there's no such thing as hate speech. Pull your head out.

The original link has the full image, look it up, very interesting
Posting it here in original size would clog the thread, unless there is some other way I'm not aware of..

Really good arguments, better than the ones about alternative theories imho
If there was a right wing guy doing a mass shooting against the elite's favorite pet they would go for a gun grab and crackdown on dissent anyway, just like in America, but New Zealand may be more susceptible

At the same time, whitey normies are already aggravated about islam, especially in Europe. A chain reaction is NOT good for the elites, the overall picture could become a catastrophic bloodbath and most importantly, they'd lose control. That's why they need censorship.

This is simple and down to earth, which I tend to favor over elaborated and over the top

Also, nomadbrah may or may not care about this one, from the guy's manifesto
   

[The Catalyst]

Makes sense.

The question is, why Christchurch?

[nomadbrah]

^ Yeah well, what I thought about that was either:

1) Mossad operative

2) Had a larger strategic goal with "muh optics"

I suppose it's possible. If true, that he didn't mention "them", because he wanted to make this normie digestible, then he should have a very high level of intellect, because that is simply too meta for the average person willing to do this. Not saying you wouldn't do it, but it's strange considering the implicit suicide mission it was. He must have known there was a huge risk of being killed. Why hold back? I mean, Breivik is doing the sieg heil in prison now. Doesn't care. The reason Breivik didn't go after them, was because he simply wasn't on /pol/?

Coming back to that, still weird. This guy drops hints to /pol/ everywhere, does a suicide mission, considered heinous by most people. Is so meta and strategic about a single question of optics? Something that /pol/ would never agree with him on?

Hmmm...

That jpg you share has a big headline:

"They are trying to make Tarrant a Mossad operative"

Hmmm....

That entire image has a very "forced meme" feel. Very Qanon in style. Where's the humor? Where's the lulz?

What message does that jpg have?

MOSSAD DIDN'T DO IT ANON

Why does this message only mention "them", when Tarrants didn't mention "them" AT ALL.

Can you see the contradiction?

Why is that the only message, /pol/ is not a simpleton, but always layered in multiple, ambiguous and ironic messages, precisely to spot the spook.

My conclusion: The jpg was made by an intelligence agency.

My other conclusion: The shooting was real, but Brenton Tarrant had been aided and abetted, possibly brainwashed by foreign intelligence agencies. They convinced him of exactly what was in that JPG.