[Drax]

First of all i want to thank Roosh and this great community who believe that we men can continue to develop in order to achieve our goals through discipline, perseverance and willpower.

In short I am 28 living in Western Europe with a nice job who never had a girlfriend in his life, no social contacts with girls at all and was getting laid his whole life by prostitutes that i cannt even remember how much times. I am not that ugly at all but i am a critical person of my self and was starting balding and had no stable income/work, drunk too much during weekends, no sports, eating unhealthy, not looking that charming at all. I did a hairtransplant 10 months ago, i started doing workouts diet for like 5 months now (i lost 15kg) and having a personal trainer now, neat wardrobe (chino, nice shirt, class shoes, long coat) so i am receiving lot of compliments in my environment (mostly friends guys wo know me longer tho). But i didnt do approaches yet, just eye contact. In some way there is still a fear that I can not break. Especially without alcohol I think that is almost an impossible task to be cozy. Alcohol makes me feel relaxed chill, which also makes me social and make appeals to people. However, the disadvantages of alcohol weigh too much. I believe that sports/health does not go hand in hand with alcohol. I learned that with the hard hand and was kind of an alcoholic. Anyway, I discovered Phenibut since 2 weeks. Last weekend and previous I hunted for the first time. Partly internet game (nice milfs around 40 years old are my target and i find then horny and much easier to talk with). During the night game I spoke to ladies for the first time and my experiences are that I make a lot of mistakes. Immediately after my rapprochement, I learn the mistakes and imagine how I will do better next time. I'm not going to write here what I did wrong, but I think Roosh also had it in his book. At the beginning you are going to make mistakes, especially the first 100 approaches. I am currently around 20 in 2 weekends (night game with Phenibut). The problem is that Phenibut is not without risks in the longer term and is basically drugs. The ladies will see another person when it is worked out the next day. So I have the problem that I want the benefits of Phenibut for night game (phenibut makes you very social, language, relaxed, self-assured and energetic). I sincerely hope for tips on how to further develop my game. The advantage is that I have very nice developed conversations in terms of content and being a ''man of value'' but the problem is the approach. I approach all girls and do not make a distinction between 4's or 8's.

[Drax]

comments are highly appreciated

[cruzinV]

Damn i just googled phenibut and ordered some, this seems like a drug that I need. I've been relying on alcohol to get over AA, but sometimes it doesnt work and I end up just getting drunk.

[The King]

@cruzinV Be careful man, I had the same mindset as you around 2 years ago. You're just moving from one compound to another.

Look up some of the negative health effects of Phenibut use. Impaired vision, reduced bone density, gut discomfort and more. It's also very easy to build a physical tolerance to it in a short space of time.

Not here to be a buzzkill however. If you're gonna use it just know what you're getting into. It's the lesser of 2 evils when compared to alcohol, in my opinion.

Also Phenibut comes in different forms including FAA and HCL. The stuff most people order online is bulk Phenibut powder from China. True Phenibut comes in tablet form and is sold in Russia. It's more expensive but around 40% more potent and has less sideffects (fatigue, drowsiness...etc)

PM me if you wanna talk about it.

[tomzestatlu]

You replaced one drug by another. That´s stupid.
What´s your goal? To bang girls while on drugs until the end of your life? Better fuck the prostitutes, while sober. Or man up, abandon all shit like alcohol and drugs, and approach sober. Only that´s a way for man.
It´s okay to drink some alcohol from time to time when you are with your friends and maybe talk to some girls and have fun with them, but it´s totally ridiculous to drink or even worse maybe take some fucking drugs just not to be afraid to talk to other people.
This what you do is really desperate.

[RDF]

I wouldn't fuck with phenibut if you have an addictive personality, which it seems like you do given that you can't drink in moderation.

In regards to your approach anxiety, the truth is that you just need to keep making more approaches and you will get over it eventually for the most part. The best motivator for me has been knowing that if I don't approach, I will not get laid. If you've never had sex at 28 besides hookers, you are not good looking enough to wait for a woman to approach you. That's fine, neither am I (or most guys for that matter). Women almost never make the first move, and as a man, you should never rely on that anyways. If you want to get laid, approach. There is no other option.

If your AA is so bad (without phenibut) that you start to shake or sweat when you're about to talk to a woman at a bar, you should speak to somebody about it. Otherwise, practice making moves sober as a first step.

[whiteknightrises]

Don't take Phenibut more than twice a week or else you risk severe withdrawal symptoms (suicidal, etc).

Think of it as training wheels - see what you are capable of on it and try to emulate that when you're off

Have a plan when you're talking to girls (that is, try to fuck them - not just "approach" - in the beginning that's ok but no one does this to be a good "approacher")

[Drax]

@tomzestalu. I cannt drink in moderation and will keep it like this for my own safety. Thanks for your reply.

@RDF. I would not say that i never had free sex at 28, i had certainly but 90% were hookers. Thanks for your advice. I am also visiting a therapist in this regard.

@whiteknightrises. I like your advice. I use it in the weekend only when go clubbing. My plan was to take it in the begin and try to emulate.

[RatInTheWoods]

(03-07-2019 03:54 PM)Drax Wrote:  

@tomzestalu. I can't drink in moderation and will keep it like this for my own safety.

Lets break that statement down:

"I choose to drink excessively"

You can choose whatever the fuck you want to do, no one is putting a gun to your head.

Don't use drugs to solve that problem.

Ask yourself why you make the choices you do, and why you sabotage your own life with those active choices?

There starts your journey of self improvement - making better choices.

Counselling, NLP, hardening up - all viable options for a life long solution to the problem.

Drugs are a short term, "cop out" non solutions, and creates more issues than it solves.

Contemplate this on the tree of woe.

[whiteknightrises]

Also don't drink too much on Phen. 1 drink is like drinking 2 or 3

I would limit yourself to 2-3 drinks MAX unless you are good at handling your limits

[Idries]

Just a practical suggestion - if you’re having a hard time approaching, why not take a few steps back and just start talking to women during the day ? Asking a girl a question at the supermarket, for example. Don’t go from 0 to 100 in one leap, go slower.

[Drax]

Well i went out clubbing this weekend, but my Phenibut didnt arrive at time. I had to do it sober with Modafinil. I also had sex before i went clubbing. So i was totally not the same person as with Phenbit the previous weekends. I realised i didnt approach so much and didnt had the attidue as during Phenibut. I even had a girl who was approaching me all the time with her body but didnt finish it! This time i also had a winger who i would consider as an 8+ but still didnt hit anything. Partly because the places we went and the short time. I will keep you guys update every weekend. In the mean time i am re-reading the book of Roosh again.

[Drax]

@Idries, maybe that's an option. During the day and week i am mostly concentrated with work and sports and dont approach any girls at all.

[cruzinV]

(03-13-2019 11:54 AM)Drax Wrote:  

Well i went out clubbing this weekend, but my Phenibut didnt arrive at time. I had to do it sober with Modafinil. I also had sex before i went clubbing. So i was totally not the same person as with Phenbit the previous weekends. I realised i didnt approach so much and didnt had the attidue as during Phenibut. I even had a girl who was approaching me all the time with her body but didnt finish it! This time i also had a winger who i would consider as an 8+ but still didnt hit anything. Partly because the places we went and the short time. I will keep you guys update every weekend. In the mean time i am re-reading the book of Roosh again.

how did you have sex before you went out? Are you in a country where you can visit brothels?

Also thanks for mentioning phenibut, i tried it last weekend thanks to your post and i think it had some effect. I took 750mg and drank like 24 beers.

[Drax]

@cruzinv, im a in a country where i can visit brothels, but i also have some sex buddys like that night, mostly MILF's, which i can hit on dating websites. I don't count them as real flags but as a temporary solution to satisfy needs.

I didn't try the combination Phenibut and alcohol yet, as far i have heard from others it's not a good combination. 24 beers is a lot of beers. Take care of your health.

[Drax]

I had received a new batch of Phenibut, this time in pills. The effect was not the same as the powder, i took a dosis of 2000mg, but still effect of euphoria was less than previous times. Perhaps because of the Modafinil i took in the morning.
I went to a club and approached a girl who wanted a lighter. I would say she is a 7. Had a nice social cool talk with about the club, night life in general and her city, but she talked too much about basic things like her work. We had a nice chat for 10-14 min and went both inside to our friends. I think i could have escalated at this moment since we were both outside and could hear and see each other good. I could see she was playing with her hair all the time so i guess she liked me much.
Second time my wingman approached two girls, who were cool, mine was 6.5, his was a 6. We were dancing the whole night! Never did this before. I took note of Roosh's tip of nightgame but the girl didnt want to kiss that fast on that night and was warning me in a funny manner, i was escalating all the time and acting the ''crazy guy who dont give a fuck'' just keep flirting n nd playing with here like alitle girl but she wanted to keep it dance and play eye game. I must note that the parents of these grils were from an Eastern cultural background. We almost went out with them on their own request but on the last moment they cancelled and told they were going home. Perhaps because we were waiting too much and didnt go outside the club immediately after their request. We could have escalate in the car each other of us. I think they wanted to go with them eat food because they were hungry. My friend took her number after hearing this news, i didnt but could easily have took it of coruse. I think i was playing ''hard to get'' at that moment and wanted to punish her for cancelling last minute our ''after party or whatever we were heading''. I gave her kisses and wished each other a good night and told me that wont be a hard job for me. I might get her number from that wingman. Had a great night tho, no more approaches.
I will go out today alone with no winger, tho the batch of Phenibut is of a less quality, ill do my best of it and report later.

[Drax]

About my previous post, i received the phonenumber through my wingman of that girl on Fridaynight, we are chatting now, let's see how that work out.

So Saturdaynight. I found 1 married friend who wanted to stay with me for 1hrs. I find a wingman is a real must when going to a trendy club. Especially if he is more experienced, Chad proof and has mastered (natural) game so it's important people connect each other in this regard.

I had Phenibut and this time i combined with 3 alcohol drinks for the first time. Still not same effects as previous order of powder but i was able to dance inside for 10min but didnt had the feeling i could escalate in this club especially this wingman didnt want to stay any longer and he was much older, so i would be totally alone.. I was outside smoking with my friend and then this girl comes to talk to that semi wingman, after few minute she sticks with me because he dont speak english and she liked me much more. I would say she is a decent 7. She was new in town, speaks English came from an other Eastern European country, and we were with shit chatting about everthing. I gaved her compliments played with her and then we were kissing middle of everyone. I saw all the girls looking at me. I played it with well like i was doing this weekly, lol! She was holding my body (thanks to work out) Anyway she founds me somehow ''smart ass'' when i keep looking in her eyes at least that is what she think. After shit chatting so long she told me ''so when are we gonna go on date?'', i told her we are now already on a date lets go another place. She told me she had some friends in a gaybar a place further so she gave me her number and today we exchanged 3 sms messages but just some shit chat. I think i will take this to a new level in the coming week and we will see if i can plant my first flag as a ''new developed person''. What i learned from this night is that an opportunity can some very fast and unexpected even at the moment when u were leaving, she somehow ''approached'' us or was walking in front of us, i dont remember but i counted this night was lost. I was happy with the delivery so i didnt care less to stay there. I went to a shit club i went before, this time totally alone to see if i could have some luck again, but the girls there were too old and everyone was drunk when i compare it what i had delivered. As i said i was happy and couldnt care less about this night and went home.
About the Phenibut with alcohol, i must agree with whiteknightrises, dont drink more than 3 drinks. U will think you can handle it easy but physical you are maybe drunk. I lost 150 bucks in a bar somewhere and for my feeling i was really not drunk. So take care of this. Somehow in the morning when i wanted to go to sleep, i was feeling some kind of error in my head like i was gonna die. I had to wake up instant and stand up, very weird. So please dont abuse this drug. I had 2500 mg and 3 alcohol drinks. Again this is pure to emulate and not my solution for the long term. Some person above called me a desperate, well maybe i am, but i need to cheat my brain for now like this to master at least night game.
In the mean time i hope if guys here can help me more. Again, i agree with whiteknightrises, in the night just try to hit the fucking flag. There is no need to socialize shit and try to get a number. First try to escalate all way if a girl likes you and thats the first thing you need to find out. I also think that i shouldnt hit the clubs in my city anymore because i know them very well and the quality is poor. Next weekend i will be bussy with some education and give my body some natural reset so i will not use Phenibut and nightgame and ill try to rely on the numbers i got and re-read Roosh's book.