[Johnaldo10]

Oh and we message each other quite a bit. I tend to have to initiate unless she messages first in the morning which usually happens after we've been out. On every occasion we've been out, the next morning or the next morning she messages something about what we did or spoke about like a song we talked about that's playing on the radio or a funny gif "this is you". If we haven't been out for 4+ days she kind of goes quiet and I have to initiate.

We spoke yesterday and she said she's working nights this weekend, but she'll wait for her schedule and if she's got days off we'll go out in the coming week. She works a lot of 3pm-12pm shifts which makes getting her out difficult. She also had a tattoo last night and told me in the same chat, and said she can't send me a picture because it has foil on it. I didn't reply because it was late and there was nothing to say to that. She uploaded a pic this morning, and it wasn't the tattoo that we spoke about so I said " wait, what tattoo did you get, I can't tell what it is (laughing emojii) and she left me on seen. I don't care. Plenty of times she's been a bit cold or weird on messages then I see her the same day and she's virtually in awe of me. It's weird.

But if she doesn't respond, how do I initiate again to get her out? Do I hit her up Sunday with another message "Hey, what's your schedule look like this week? You coming for x activity?"

She works a lot for her age, she sleeps, she spends a lot of time in bed like a big baby, she has 10 siblings to keep her occupied. I had to work hard to get her out in the first place, she's hard work, I'm a good catch for her and the family and her know it, but she's hard work.

If I don't make serious progress the next few times we go out, then I'm gonna "soft next" her, no contact and if she wants to chase me back then that's up to her.

[Azlan]

Sounds to me like you're firmly in the friendzone and she just loves the free attention you willingly shower her with.

[debilismmm]

I guess all you gotta do is ask for her hand! See what she says.

[Johnaldo10]

Definitely not friend zone. Wouldn't make any sense. She's not stupid. You don't cuddle up to someone and flirt with a guy more than five years older than you. That's not a friend. Her older sister knows I "want" her. She's just shy and inexperienced and I've been timid/careful because of the level of trust the older sister showed me in terms of encouraging her to go out with me on her first ever "date".

Now's the time I need to start escalating more and forgetting about the older sister and the family. I've earned the trust. Build the comfort. In terms of sex, slowly, slowly but like the guy I know who knows the family and the culture, he said start slowly with kissing in public/safe environment, stop trying to get her back to your place to "bang". Just assess the vibe as you go.

And for certain, I need to become more unavailable, be less responsive with my messages, stop replying so quickly even if she does. And try and flip it so she chases me more. Stop thinking about her so much. Stop trying to plan crafty text messages. Be indifferent. Care less. There's a reason whenever we go out, the next few days she's the one initiating in the mornings, but maybe I message too much when there's a gap. Let's see how next week pans out and how this develops. I haven't seen her since last Wednesday. She initiated with me Thursday and Friday morning. Then went a bit cold over the weekend. Kind of weird. She was throwing some tests at me like being cold/bitchy over messages but I maintained frame, ignored it, and got her to laugh and sign off with a red love heart.

Her last message about going out was " Friday, Saturday and Sunday night I'm working nights, let's see how I work the week that's coming and we can go out". There's been no contact since Thursday night. Saturday now. I'm probably gonna hold off on messaging her and see if she initiates on Sunday or Monday. Only so much chasing I can do.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-23-2019 09:54 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

Definitely not friend zone. Wouldn't make any sense. She's not stupid. You don't cuddle up to someone and flirt with a guy more than five years older than you. That's not a friend. Her older sister knows I "want" her. She's just shy and inexperienced and I've been timid/careful because of the level of trust the older sister showed me in terms of encouraging her to go out with me on her first ever "date".

Now's the time I need to start escalating more and forgetting about the older sister and the family. I've earned the trust. Build the comfort. In terms of sex, slowly, slowly but like the guy I know who knows the family and the culture, he said start slowly with kissing in public/safe environment, stop trying to get her back to your place to "bang". Just assess the vibe as you go.

And for certain, I need to become more unavailable, be less responsive with my messages, stop replying so quickly even if she does. And try and flip it so she chases me more. Stop thinking about her so much. Stop trying to plan crafty text messages. Be indifferent. Care less. There's a reason whenever we go out, the next few days she's the one initiating in the mornings, but maybe I message too much when there's a gap. Let's see how next week pans out and how this develops. I haven't seen her since last Wednesday. She initiated with me Thursday and Friday morning. Then went a bit cold over the weekend. Kind of weird. She was throwing some tests at me like being cold/bitchy over messages but I maintained frame, ignored it, and got her to laugh and sign off with a red love heart.

Her last message about going out was " Friday, Saturday and Sunday night I'm working nights, let's see how I work the week that's coming and we can go out". There's been no contact since Thursday night. Saturday now. I'm probably gonna hold off on messaging her and see if she initiates on Sunday or Monday. Only so much chasing I can do.

Sounds like youre not the only dude... At least not banging her

[Johnaldo10]

(02-23-2019 10:41 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 09:54 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

Definitely not friend zone. Wouldn't make any sense. She's not stupid. You don't cuddle up to someone and flirt with a guy more than five years older than you. That's not a friend. Her older sister knows I "want" her. She's just shy and inexperienced and I've been timid/careful because of the level of trust the older sister showed me in terms of encouraging her to go out with me on her first ever "date".

Now's the time I need to start escalating more and forgetting about the older sister and the family. I've earned the trust. Build the comfort. In terms of sex, slowly, slowly but like the guy I know who knows the family and the culture, he said start slowly with kissing in public/safe environment, stop trying to get her back to your place to "bang". Just assess the vibe as you go.

And for certain, I need to become more unavailable, be less responsive with my messages, stop replying so quickly even if she does. And try and flip it so she chases me more. Stop thinking about her so much. Stop trying to plan crafty text messages. Be indifferent. Care less. There's a reason whenever we go out, the next few days she's the one initiating in the mornings, but maybe I message too much when there's a gap. Let's see how next week pans out and how this develops. I haven't seen her since last Wednesday. She initiated with me Thursday and Friday morning. Then went a bit cold over the weekend. Kind of weird. She was throwing some tests at me like being cold/bitchy over messages but I maintained frame, ignored it, and got her to laugh and sign off with a red love heart.

Her last message about going out was " Friday, Saturday and Sunday night I'm working nights, let's see how I work the week that's coming and we can go out". There's been no contact since Thursday night. Saturday now. I'm probably gonna hold off on messaging her and see if she initiates on Sunday or Monday. Only so much chasing I can do.

Sounds like youre not the only dude... At least not banging her

Well, actually she is working nights - 3pm-12am. She works with two older sisters, and when she goes clubbing one of them typically goes with her. Other than that she's usually with one of her 300 sisters or in bed with the teddy bear I bought her. I'm quite close with the older sister and I don't believe they are lying, however if it turns out she's some sort of sex machine who bangs a different guy every week I'll be shocked but I'll laugh because it will be ridiculous. The innocence in suggesting "let's go to your place to play basketball".

Yeah, there could another guy or ten not banging her, but I wouldn't use any of the bold/highlighted stuff as an indication of that. She goes hot and cold on messages. First time I ever got her out on her first ever date as she put it, it was all one word answers and weird/cold messages followed by blowing kisses emoji's and laughing faces when I was sorting out the logistics with her a couple of hours later.

I think she's just shy, a bit insecure, young, immature and doesn't know what she wants, a little high maintenance etc. I'll see if she messages in the next couple of days. The amount of time it took for me to build comfort and trust, and then the way she acted when she first got to my place for the first ever time would suggest to me she's a virgin or serious inexperienced or just very serious about having sex in loving relationships. I remember when I was a virgin, I had little sex drive and then when I started having sex I wanted it all the time. I think she's a virgin or gone a long time without sex. Hence why she seemed comfortable with me to get close to me the two times when the cousin was there but uncomfortable when we were alone in the early stages. I'll cool off a little, run with it and see how it develops but I truly see her as LTR material.

How do you feel about that guy's advice that knows the family and the mentality/culture? He essentially said stop trying to plan things around getting her back to yours after dinner/drinks etc. Take her out in public. Walk by the beach. Have ice cream. Kino, build tension and kiss her in a safe environment. That makes sense to me if she's a virgin or uncomfortable with something and then ramp it up slowly slowly depending on her vibe on future dates.

I'm not gonna lie, is this oneitis? Possibly. Yes. But when you meet a girl who ticks all the boxes physically, you like her personality, she's traditional yet modern, she's a great age, innocent but I can see a naughty side in there, she's fun, she cooks, she cleans, she works, she pays for some things on dates. She's hot. Slim, curvy, big breasts. She ticks all the fucking boxes man and I want to lock her down. She's coming out with me and as far as I am aware only me. But she's hot. And she works in a place surrounded by lots of cock and guys adding her on Facebook after stalking her profile like a lot of the servers/waitresses there. If I want her, my game needs to be tight. I had her hooked emotionally when we were together i.e wide eyed deep looks into my eyes with a smile, holding hands watching movie....I just need to progress things in a measured way.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-23-2019 11:10 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

How do you feel about that guy's advice that knows the family and the mentality/culture? He essentially said stop trying to plan things around getting her back to yours after dinner/drinks etc. Take her out in public. Walk by the beach. Have ice cream. Kino, build tension and kiss her in a safe environment. That makes sense to me if she's a virgin or uncomfortable with something and then ramp it up slowly slowly depending on her vibe on future dates.

He may be right....If she's from a very conservative culture and family (and the little cousin chaperone is indicative as such)



Im not trying to piss on your cornflakes. Honestly. I hope you do "lock her down".

Nothing wrong with recognizing signs of quality but you are making some rather noob assumptions. Youre definitely are pedestal-izing her

If she's objectively as attractive as you say then she's definitely getting attention from other dudes.

I'll give you credit where its due. Your instincts are correct regarding being too available and too responsive.

Too available = too familiar = non mysterious = safe = un-valuable commodity = boring

You need her invested in chasing you. You need a little fear aka dread

"Familiarity breeds contempt"... Chaucer's in Tale of Melibee

In game terms its the inverse that's relevant. You could say "less is more".

Its human nature. Fear vs Desire.

Does she wonder what youre doing when she's at work?

Make her wonder.

Let her fear losing your attention.

You have her attention. Now leverage that into attraction

[Johnaldo10]

(02-23-2019 12:02 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-23-2019 11:10 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

How do you feel about that guy's advice that knows the family and the mentality/culture? He essentially said stop trying to plan things around getting her back to yours after dinner/drinks etc. Take her out in public. Walk by the beach. Have ice cream. Kino, build tension and kiss her in a safe environment. That makes sense to me if she's a virgin or uncomfortable with something and then ramp it up slowly slowly depending on her vibe on future dates.

He may be right....If she's from a very conservative culture and family (and the little cousin chaperone is indicative as such)



Im not trying to piss on your cornflakes. Honestly. I hope you do "lock her down".

Nothing wrong with recognizing signs of quality but you are making some rather noob assumptions. Youre definitely are pedestal-izing her

If she's objectively as attractive as you say then she's definitely getting attention from other dudes.

I'll give you credit where its due. Your instincts are correct regarding being too available and too responsive.

Too available = too familiar = non mysterious = safe = un-valuable commodity = boring

You need her invested in chasing you. You need a little fear aka dread

"Familiarity breeds contempt"... Chaucer's in Tale of Melibee

In game terms its the inverse that's relevant. You could say "less is more".

Its human nature. Fear vs Desire.

Does she wonder what youre doing when she's at work?

Make her wonder.

Let her fear losing your attention.

You have her attention. Now leverage that into attraction

So when I was putting gas at 12:30am in the town last Wednesday night and her and an older sister walked past after work and we saw each other, I gave them a short ride home. As I got home ten minutes later and received a message "What were you doing out in the town" laughing emoji, I should have ignored it until the morning. I replied "I'll tell you a secret, I live here", she said cool, and then I said "I was watching the game and eating with my cousin". She was obviously wondering though.

I get it now. So, I'm gonna start hinting more about being out at the weekend whilst she's working, and being more mysterious. Seriously, I'm a high value guy for her, hence why the older sisters put me forward to her, but she's comfortable, I need to flip that. Thanks.

[Johnaldo10]

So she's working the next five days 3pm-12pm which means she doesn't have time, she wakes up lunchtime, gets ready then heads to work. The messages have been positive but I feel like she's either comfortable or her interest levels are dropping. She said weird things on the first date like "I want to introduce you to my younger brother". Whilst I put in work with her at her workplace (bar/restaurant) and DM's ultimately the older sister helped push her my way in getting her out on her first ever date. At this stage I have no idea if in her head or the families head they think we are "together" or exclusive like a traditional introduction sort of thing or if she's pulling away and losing interest. It's weird. I should have fucking kissed her even if the younger cousin was there but I was thinking - kiss-sex not just kiss. We go out on a Monday night. Then we go out the next Tuesday night. Then we see each other the following two days (her suggestions), then again the next Tuesday, and briefly Wednesday night when I give her a ride home. 1 time the first week, three times the second week, then two times the third week. Fourth week, nothing. Now fifth week is looking blank as well. I've got the trump card of going to her place of work which I frequent anyway considering it's a popular place in town and showing my face or/and be seen talking to another girl etc.

So I'm going to reduce the messaging a bit, we've been in constant contact since early December. Went out first time towards end of January. There's a strong emotional connection. It's a strange one with her laying on my chest watching a movie gripping my hand and I feel like she was catching strong feelings. Maybe that's why she's pulled away a bit. Last time I saw her was last Wednesday night.

Plan of action. Reduce messaging to every 3-4 days and see if she initiates in-between. Try and get her out again and then be more aggressive with sexual tension and escalating...Fuck. What a fucked up situation with the younger cousin coming out with us, forehead kisses and the boyfriend/girlfriend type relationship without even kissing on the lips. What they don't know doesn't matter, but I have feeling if I'm seen out on a date with another girl, the girl and the family will break things off with me, but fuck, I have no idea where I stand or what this shit is.

And I'm back on Tinder and talking to other girls because however much I like this chick and see her as LTR material, she's hard work, she's busy, she's flaky, immature and a little crazy.

"There is no such thing as dating in (insert girls' country/culture.) You ‘meet’ with a guy or girl for a movie, coffee, drink or just go for a walk together. If you go out a second and third time, you can consider yourself together." No idea if this shit is true or not.

[thedarkknight]

(02-24-2019 05:49 PM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

So she's working the next five days 3pm-12pm which means she doesn't have time, she wakes up lunchtime, gets ready then heads to work. The messages have been positive but I feel like she's either comfortable or her interest levels are dropping. She said weird things on the first date like "I want to introduce you to my younger brother". Whilst I put in work with her at her workplace (bar/restaurant) and DM's ultimately the older sister helped push her my way in getting her out on her first ever date. At this stage I have no idea if in her head or the families head they think we are "together" or exclusive like a traditional introduction sort of thing or if she's pulling away and losing interest. It's weird. I should have fucking kissed her even if the younger cousin was there but I was thinking - kiss-sex not just kiss. We go out on a Monday night. Then we go out the next Tuesday night. Then we see each other the following two days (her suggestions), then again the next Tuesday, and briefly Wednesday night when I give her a ride home. 1 time the first week, three times the second week, then two times the third week. Fourth week, nothing. Now fifth week is looking blank as well. I've got the trump card of going to her place of work which I frequent anyway considering it's a popular place in town and showing my face or/and be seen talking to another girl etc.

So I'm going to reduce the messaging a bit, we've been in constant contact since early December. Went out first time towards end of January. There's a strong emotional connection. It's a strange one with her laying on my chest watching a movie gripping my hand and I feel like she was catching strong feelings. Maybe that's why she's pulled away a bit. Last time I saw her was last Wednesday night.

Plan of action. Reduce messaging to every 3-4 days and see if she initiates in-between. Try and get her out again and then be more aggressive with sexual tension and escalating...Fuck. What a fucked up situation with the younger cousin coming out with us, forehead kisses and the boyfriend/girlfriend type relationship without even kissing on the lips. What they don't know doesn't matter, but I have feeling if I'm seen out on a date with another girl, the girl and the family will break things off with me, but fuck, I have no idea where I stand or what this shit is.

And I'm back on Tinder and talking to other girls because however much I like this chick and see her as LTR material, she's hard work, she's busy, she's flaky, immature and a little crazy.

"There is no such thing as dating in (insert girls' country/culture.) You ‘meet’ with a guy or girl for a movie, coffee, drink or just go for a walk together. If you go out a second and third time, you can consider yourself together." No idea if this shit is true or not.

Yo , mate.

Fuck this.

Can’t you spend the energy on earning money or smashing less culturally incompatible chicks.

I mean, shit man.

Is she Muslim? You gonna convert bro?

TDK

[thedarkknight]

(02-17-2019 07:35 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

In all seriousness that forehead kiss stuff works wonders....usually they’re down to fuck anyway but the forehead kiss thing adds a bit of romance.

Ahahahaha

[Johnaldo10]

(02-24-2019 06:16 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 05:49 PM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

So she's working the next five days 3pm-12pm which means she doesn't have time, she wakes up lunchtime, gets ready then heads to work. The messages have been positive but I feel like she's either comfortable or her interest levels are dropping. She said weird things on the first date like "I want to introduce you to my younger brother". Whilst I put in work with her at her workplace (bar/restaurant) and DM's ultimately the older sister helped push her my way in getting her out on her first ever date. At this stage I have no idea if in her head or the families head they think we are "together" or exclusive like a traditional introduction sort of thing or if she's pulling away and losing interest. It's weird. I should have fucking kissed her even if the younger cousin was there but I was thinking - kiss-sex not just kiss. We go out on a Monday night. Then we go out the next Tuesday night. Then we see each other the following two days (her suggestions), then again the next Tuesday, and briefly Wednesday night when I give her a ride home. 1 time the first week, three times the second week, then two times the third week. Fourth week, nothing. Now fifth week is looking blank as well. I've got the trump card of going to her place of work which I frequent anyway considering it's a popular place in town and showing my face or/and be seen talking to another girl etc.

So I'm going to reduce the messaging a bit, we've been in constant contact since early December. Went out first time towards end of January. There's a strong emotional connection. It's a strange one with her laying on my chest watching a movie gripping my hand and I feel like she was catching strong feelings. Maybe that's why she's pulled away a bit. Last time I saw her was last Wednesday night.

Plan of action. Reduce messaging to every 3-4 days and see if she initiates in-between. Try and get her out again and then be more aggressive with sexual tension and escalating...Fuck. What a fucked up situation with the younger cousin coming out with us, forehead kisses and the boyfriend/girlfriend type relationship without even kissing on the lips. What they don't know doesn't matter, but I have feeling if I'm seen out on a date with another girl, the girl and the family will break things off with me, but fuck, I have no idea where I stand or what this shit is.

And I'm back on Tinder and talking to other girls because however much I like this chick and see her as LTR material, she's hard work, she's busy, she's flaky, immature and a little crazy.

"There is no such thing as dating in (insert girls' country/culture.) You ‘meet’ with a guy or girl for a movie, coffee, drink or just go for a walk together. If you go out a second and third time, you can consider yourself together." No idea if this shit is true or not.

Yo , mate.

Fuck this.

Can’t you spend the energy on earning money or smashing less culturally incompatible chicks.

I mean, shit man.

Is she Muslim? You gonna convert bro?

TDK

Man, I don't even wanna just bang. I'm happy to go slow with her if that's what she wants or needs but now she's gone back to being flaky. Yeah, she works a lot I get it.

But.

Talk about a shit load of work. I was telling my mate and he said just leave her. She's not the queen. Let someone else deal with her bullshit.

Anyway, I'm banging tonight, need to get it out my system. I'm gonna pull away completely now, see if she initiates. Too much time and hard work with little return. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, she knows I'm interested in her, so does the older sister who I pestered about her but fuck what about my value? She's from a little village in an Central/Eastern European country and she's got an opportunity to roll around with the big dawg (I joke) in the Benz and come over to my sea view apartment, I'm an athlete, tall, good looking (so I've been told). The only thing was that I changed in terms of usual game was I moved slowly and was careful with her because of the older sister issue and she said she trusted me.

The only way I see this changing is if she knows I'm willing to walk away (which I am) and/or there are other girls interested in me. It's a weird situation and I don't have time or energy for this shit anymore.

[Bienvenuto]

(02-25-2019 03:21 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 06:16 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 05:49 PM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

So she's working the next five days 3pm-12pm which means she doesn't have time, she wakes up lunchtime, gets ready then heads to work. The messages have been positive but I feel like she's either comfortable or her interest levels are dropping. She said weird things on the first date like "I want to introduce you to my younger brother". Whilst I put in work with her at her workplace (bar/restaurant) and DM's ultimately the older sister helped push her my way in getting her out on her first ever date. At this stage I have no idea if in her head or the families head they think we are "together" or exclusive like a traditional introduction sort of thing or if she's pulling away and losing interest. It's weird. I should have fucking kissed her even if the younger cousin was there but I was thinking - kiss-sex not just kiss. We go out on a Monday night. Then we go out the next Tuesday night. Then we see each other the following two days (her suggestions), then again the next Tuesday, and briefly Wednesday night when I give her a ride home. 1 time the first week, three times the second week, then two times the third week. Fourth week, nothing. Now fifth week is looking blank as well. I've got the trump card of going to her place of work which I frequent anyway considering it's a popular place in town and showing my face or/and be seen talking to another girl etc.

So I'm going to reduce the messaging a bit, we've been in constant contact since early December. Went out first time towards end of January. There's a strong emotional connection. It's a strange one with her laying on my chest watching a movie gripping my hand and I feel like she was catching strong feelings. Maybe that's why she's pulled away a bit. Last time I saw her was last Wednesday night.

Plan of action. Reduce messaging to every 3-4 days and see if she initiates in-between. Try and get her out again and then be more aggressive with sexual tension and escalating...Fuck. What a fucked up situation with the younger cousin coming out with us, forehead kisses and the boyfriend/girlfriend type relationship without even kissing on the lips. What they don't know doesn't matter, but I have feeling if I'm seen out on a date with another girl, the girl and the family will break things off with me, but fuck, I have no idea where I stand or what this shit is.

And I'm back on Tinder and talking to other girls because however much I like this chick and see her as LTR material, she's hard work, she's busy, she's flaky, immature and a little crazy.

"There is no such thing as dating in (insert girls' country/culture.) You ‘meet’ with a guy or girl for a movie, coffee, drink or just go for a walk together. If you go out a second and third time, you can consider yourself together." No idea if this shit is true or not.

Yo , mate.

Fuck this.

Can’t you spend the energy on earning money or smashing less culturally incompatible chicks.

I mean, shit man.

Is she Muslim? You gonna convert bro?

TDK

Man, I don't even wanna just bang. I'm happy to go slow with her if that's what she wants or needs but now she's gone back to being flaky. Yeah, she works a lot I get it.

But.

Talk about a shit load of work. I was telling my mate and he said just leave her. She's not the queen. Let someone else deal with her bullshit.

Anyway, I'm banging tonight, need to get it out my system. I'm gonna pull away completely now, see if she initiates. Too much time and hard work with little return. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, she knows I'm interested in her, so does the older sister who I pestered about her but fuck what about my value? She's from a little village in an Central/Eastern European country and she's got an opportunity to roll around with the big dawg (I joke) in the Benz and come over to my sea view apartment, I'm an athlete, tall, good looking (so I've been told). The only thing was that I changed in terms of usual game was I moved slowly and was careful with her because of the older sister issue and she said she trusted me.

The only way I see this changing is if she knows I'm willing to walk away (which I am) and/or there are other girls interested in me. It's a weird situation and I don't have time or energy for this shit anymore.

I'm sure you're a cool guy.

Probably cooler and better at game than me etc. etc. - no doubt.

But sometimes you need a perspective from outside.

CONGRATULATIONS ----- YOURE OBSESSED

TLDR: You are writing multiple War and Peace length novels about this chick and her sisters and the banal texts between you and

Yesterday! Update! She apparently got her nails done, I know this because one of the guys who waxes her car (I wrote down the licence plate once and attached a GPS device one night and anyway I hide behind a tree when she gets undressed.. anyway I tracked the car's movements down to a carwash and I made friends with the guy who works there and he blah blah blah told me that her nails looked different.)

You are too scared of her. She picks this up.

You have blue balls. She picks this up.

There is no way that you are getting laid by hot girls on the regular given your incel stalker level of obsession. She is aware of this on some level.

Pulling back from her now? Good.

But you sound bitter.

Wanna turn it around?

Drop her. Drop her now. Drop her like a bad habit. Cast her from your mind like a frag grenade in your hand that's about to go off.

Be polite be civil if challenged on it but make up some tech bullshit about your phone and go ghost right now - for your own obsessive good.

That won't stop the obsession or bitterness though..

So..

Fuck.

FUCK.
FUCK like Crazy.
Fuck like an animal. Anyway anyhow.. fuck more and more new chicks.

Not dates, not text exchanges.

Grab these new chicks by the hair as they arch their backs into every new thrust that your professionally trained (badminton? ) body delivers.

Spit in their mouths, spit in their faces.
Choke them as you jackhammer their pussies.

Wake up with a grateful squeeze blowing you as you lie there.. feeling refreshed and refreshingly less obsessive. Rinse and repeat.

Cant do it in your Greek town? Go to the city..
I don't care if you have to fuck hookers in depraved ways .. just get your dick wet multiple multiple MULTIPLE times.

Minimum 3 new chicks banged on the regular or (at a push) 5-15 new hookers. At the least.

But -you talk about this like you're some dangerous lothario and not acting like a beta chump stalker

"I'm willing to be the one to walk away"

- the oneitis is so strong that.. IMHO

cash in and go Thailand, Bali, the PHils for a week / 10 days and use Tinder to fuck like there is no tomorrow Good times abound.

(do not tell her sisters, grandmothers, teddy bears what you are doing. Stop pretending being in with her family will help you, it is a beta tactic. This chick is going to fuck multiple men in the next few years. The guy that fucks her to squirting will just look at her and smirk. that will be enough... tingles.
Want that to be you? Fuck enough chicks that you forget her.)

Who knows?
maybe nothing will happen between you and this chick but you have to lose your hamster on this one. She's just a skinny girl who is knowingly prick teasing you and bringing round her cousin because she has a voodoo hex on you without making an effort.

My two cents. Use or discard.

Best of luck

[Johnaldo10]

(02-25-2019 07:53 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

I'm sure you're a cool guy.

Probably cooler and better at game than me etc. etc. - no doubt.

But sometimes you need a perspective from outside.

CONGRATULATIONS ----- YOURE OBSESSED

TLDR: You are writing multiple War and Peace length novels about this chick and her sisters and the banal texts between you and

Yesterday! Update! She apparently got her nails done, I know this because one of the guys who waxes her car (I wrote down the licence plate once and attached a GPS device one night and anyway I hide behind a tree when she gets undressed.. anyway I tracked the car's movements down to a carwash and I made friends with the guy who works there and he blah blah blah told me that her nails looked different.)

You are too scared of her. She picks this up.

You have blue balls. She picks this up.

There is no way that you are getting laid by hot girls on the regular given your incel stalker level of obsession. She is aware of this on some level.

Pulling back from her now? Good.

But you sound bitter.

Wanna turn it around?

Drop her. Drop her now. Drop her like a bad habit. Cast her from your mind like a frag grenade in your hand that's about to go off.

Be polite be civil if challenged on it but make up some tech bullshit about your phone and go ghost right now - for your own obsessive good.

That won't stop the obsession or bitterness though..

So..

Fuck.

FUCK.
FUCK like Crazy.
Fuck like an animal. Anyway anyhow.. fuck more and more new chicks.

Not dates, not text exchanges.

Grab these new chicks by the hair as they arch their backs into every new thrust that your professionally trained (badminton? ) body delivers.

Spit in their mouths, spit in their faces.
Choke them as you jackhammer their pussies.

Wake up with a grateful squeeze blowing you as you lie there.. feeling refreshed and refreshingly less obsessive. Rinse and repeat.

Cant do it in your Greek town? Go to the city..
I don't care if you have to fuck hookers in depraved ways .. just get your dick wet multiple multiple MULTIPLE times.

Minimum 3 new chicks banged on the regular or (at a push) 5-15 new hookers. At the least.

But -you talk about this like you're some dangerous lothario and not acting like a beta chump stalker

"I'm willing to be the one to walk away"

- the oneitis is so strong that.. IMHO

cash in and go Thailand, Bali, the PHils for a week / 10 days and use Tinder to fuck like there is no tomorrow Good times abound.

(do not tell her sisters, grandmothers, teddy bears what you are doing. Stop pretending being in with her family will help you, it is a beta tactic. This chick is going to fuck multiple men in the next few years. The guy that fucks her to squirting will just look at her and smirk. that will be enough... tingles.
Want that to be you? Fuck enough chicks that you forget her.)

Who knows?
maybe nothing will happen between you and this chick but you have to lose your hamster on this one. She's just a skinny girl who is knowingly prick teasing you and bringing round her cousin because she has a voodoo hex on you without making an effort.

My two cents. Use or discard.

Best of luck

I seriously take your advice on board. Seriously. It shouldn't be like this. I'm not usually like this. But fuck, this chick is 20, not 16, she's been here seven months and not gone out on one date. I worked hard to get her out. Everything was going great, first two dates were great. I had her in a trance with the puppy dog eyes over dinner. I should have disregarded acting like a good guy because I knew the older sister. Then the fucking younger cousin started to show up. Now I haven't seen her since last Wednesday. I'm gonna ghost. Not like any of her uploaded social media pictures, ignore the older sister when she messages me. I think it's still on somewhat, it has to be.

The girl doesn't know how much I've been thinking about her though. And it's not a one way obsession. When we are my place watching a movie, why's she holding onto my hand and cuddling up to me? Her fucking older sister calling me brother-in law. Kissing on the forehead affectionately. Her walking away from my car blowing me kisses. She's immature, inexperienced and she got attached quickly and she knows I'm interested, that's my explanation for her pulling away a bit. Why the fuck was she sending me good morning text messages with the teddy bear I got her last Friday?

But tell me one thing, how do I fuck this girl?

She's gonna come out with me again, and I will escalate and progress things. Mark my words. I've come too damn far. I will destroy her in my bed. I had a chance in the first few weeks we went out (around a month ago now), but like a pussy, I played the safe card (I know the older sister, she's young and nervous), I'll act like the trusted guy. Had I known what I know now, I'd have taken her home the first night and tried to fuck her. If I do get her out again, and I will, I'll be a changed man. I'd rather attempt to fuck her and die rather than pussyfoot around again, holding her hand and cuddling up watching a movie in front of her younger cousin.

I take your advice on board. But when you find a unicorn, I want her.

TLDR - Before we even went out, the older sister was on me, telling me I've got loads of girls and I had to prove myself. I went from the guy who fucked a Hungarian milf in October twice, and the guy who fucked a 19 year old Russian tourist twice in November to a "pussy" who was acting like a good guy in front of the older sister and pestering the 20 year old to come out with me. When I finally got her out and had opportunities, I treated her like a delicate little flower. Summary - pull away. Ghost. If she comes out again, attempt to fuck. Escalate. If she doesn't, fuck it, I'll fuck her another time.

[PapayaTapper]

(02-25-2019 09:42 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

Friday?

But tell me one thing, how do I fuck this girl?

Youve been told how several times. Now you are either trolling or attention whoring

[Johnaldo10]

(02-25-2019 10:38 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(02-25-2019 09:42 AM)Johnaldo10 Wrote:  

Friday?

But tell me one thing, how do I fuck this girl?

Youve been told how several times. Now you are either trolling or attention whoring

I'm playing bro. I really appreciate the advice. I'm joking because he told me to drop her completely. I kind of agree with his advice but I still think there's something there. She watched my IG story a few nights ago despite not following me. I think she's still interested, just busy and flaky. She's working all week late shift and has plans with her sisters on day off. Fine, the second week we went out, she came over after work in the evening one day but was off the other two days, but that was a bit much.

But I take the advice on board. Stop obsessing. Fuck some other girls on the lowdown. And once I get her alone or out again, escalate properly and stop trying to be a good guy because I know the older sister and she's shy/inexperienced. Push the boundaries within reason. Note to self, I was just thinking about kissing and banging in one step....when we had a staring match on my couch, I should have kissed her. It's just weird because she's doing weird shit like asking for forehead kisses, feeding me food, laying on my chest to watch a movie in front of the cousin. She used "depending on my shifts, WE can go out" a few days ago. It's weird. I seriously don't know if she thinks we are exclusive or if she's pulling away a bit.

I get it. Because I saw her as LTR material, and I wouldn't have been able to go out with her had the family seen me with other girls, I've been a good boy for nearly two months, but she's playing me, being difficult, being flaky. So, I'll do the same. Whatever will be, will be. I'll pull away/ghost a bit and see if she re-initiates during the week.

The truth is, my natural game is good, girls want me. I don't struggle, in fact, I don't pursue girls 24/7 like a job, but I can go into coffee shops and typical day game places and get numbers and bangs. This situation has mind fucked me because I like the girl a lot hence why I pursued her so hard and she should be giving me more in terms of interest or not being so flaky, that is unless she thinks she's got me.

And contrary to advice, apart from going out to coffee with the older sister, target and cousin two weeks ago Tuesday, when older sister said "what are you two doing for valentines day?", we haven't spoken about anything. If I was to see her right now, I'd probably ask her in a casual and chilled manner "what's going on here?" because this shit ain't normal. Fucking forehead kisses, feeding each other food and cuddles.

[Johnaldo10]

Look, fuck it. I'm not gonna come on here and right novels again. The truth is there was a strong emotional connection. Six weeks of messaging, and the first "date" was one month ago. She revealed some pretty close things like her dad died when she was 3 and used to beat her mom. She said something and I said "ah you care so much lol" and she looked at me and said "I do care".

I'm gonna go ghost for a bit. If she's into me, there's a fine line between ghosting and pushing her away, but I can't keep doing this shit and overthinking so much.

Thanks for the advice so far. Let's see if she re-initiates this week.

[kaotic]

Dude yes you need to pull the fuck back and let her chase you.

Yeah there's a strong emotional connection - ON YOUR END - not hers.

You're WAY too invested.

You've been told many times to drop this chick and to pull back, your actions were saying otherwise.

Where are the other girls you're gaming and talking to?

[Johnaldo10]

(02-25-2019 12:19 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Dude yes you need to pull the fuck back and let her chase you.

Yeah there's a strong emotional connection - ON YOUR END - not hers.

You're WAY too invested.

You've been told many times to drop this chick and to pull back, your actions were saying otherwise.

Where are the other girls you're gaming and talking to?

Got it bro. I get it, I'm too invested. I was thinking too far ahead i.e " this girl is my next girlfriend etc".

I don't think she's playing games. I just think she works a lot, sleeps a lot and is surrounded by lots of family.

That one week she made an effort to come over after work one day when she had been up since 6am. I shouldn't expect the same level of effort week after week. Our first date lasted around 3 and a half hours, the next one was around four hours, the next two days it was around four hours each and then last Tuesday with the younger cousin was around 9 hours together. That's a lot of time in three weeks.

And yeah, I wasn't gaming and talking to other girls because it's a small community and I wanted to get this chick out. Her fucking 77 older sisters work all around the town and the one I know wanted to make sure I wasn't a player or going to try and fuck her and next her, but I'm back on the dating apps now and I'm hitting up girls on Insta etc. I'll keep this chick in play because I like her, but I can't be so invested, I get it.

Haven't banged a girl since early December, so I'm gonna do some fucking in the next week to get back to normality. And if and when I take this girl out again, I'll reframe the whole situation.

[kaotic]

A woman whose interested in you, will MAKE time for you, regardless if she's "busy".

This girls is what we call a backburner chick.

As in, sure there were sparks, but she lags/delays/"busy"/makes excuses not to hang out.

She's a extremely low investment at this point.

The only thing you should be doing is focusing on other girls on dating apps/insta/etc.

She already told you she's working 6 days and has plans with family - that's your answer.

She didn't offer any other time to meet or hangout or ask when you're free.


The answer is go silent on her, at this point you've got nothing to lose by doing that.

Let her chase you and ask when you're free, SHE should be the one asking you these questions.

[Johnaldo10]

(02-25-2019 03:33 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

A woman whose interested in you, will MAKE time for you, regardless if she's "busy".

This girls is what we call a backburner chick.

As in, sure there were sparks, but she lags/delays/"busy"/makes excuses not to hang out.

She's a extremely low investment at this point.

The only thing you should be doing is focusing on other girls on dating apps/insta/etc.

She already told you she's working 6 days and has plans with family - that's your answer.

She didn't offer any other time to meet or hangout or ask when you're free.


The answer is go silent on her, at this point you've got nothing to lose by doing that.

Let her chase you and ask when you're free, SHE should be the one asking you these questions.

I get it man. And sometimes I forget she's only 20. She's 20 but she doesn't act or think like a 20 year old girl I'm used to in the US or UK. She's immature a lot. She's naturally flaky, and a self confessed anti-social girl. She doesn't have any experience with this sort of thing. That's why I've given her some leeway and I don't want to back off totally because she doesn't know what she's doing.

I'll leave her alone and see if she initiates.

[Andreas_M10]

69.

Shes quiet and never had a boyfriend. So its impossible to relate her to any other female cuz this is an outlier in the dating world. Shes prob always been taught to have a man pursue. She prob has no experience. Teach her. Train her. Dare I say, communicate with her. (No beta)

Shes not a pump and dump. Unless she never had a boyfriend cuz thats all she is lol. But im assuming shes the gem shy chick.

I wont get to deep into it but dont fck, I REPEAT DONT FCK THIS ONE UP by being aggressive. Communicate. Sounds soft to say but this could be a gem. Lol@ go no contact on a shy old fashioned chick. Yes do that and chase club sluts. Wtf.

Her self worth: you will have to prove yourself. That has been shown already. She knows her self worth. She will do zero chasing. You will get paranoid, like you already have by posting this thread. You will feel like its you. Its not. Chase away with no shame. Its different cuz shes worth it. Shes unique and eventually you will appreciate how unique you are cuz u wont have the stress of being with an experienced woman who has done everything before with other dudes.

How do I know this stuff? Been there in a similar traditional culture. Drove me nuts until we communicated down the line. Then it all made sense. AND ITS FCKN AWESOME. you have an untapped gem. Trust me.