[saner]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...oters.html

Here comes the 'Kent State' moment.

[LeBaron]

(03-21-2019 10:57 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 03:55 PM)LeBaron Wrote:  

(03-19-2019 03:23 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

Why would they rebel indeed ?
More cops busy at the champs elysees means less cops interfering with drug trafficking or arms smuggling.
Guns and gold for the caliphate !

Also some muslim countries finance some parts of the french dissident right.
Anything which destabilizes the country is welcome by its enemies, that's part of the game.

Are you referring to Soral?

Maybe.

The problem is not really who, though.
The french far-right is basically split between the pro-zionists and the pro-islamists.
Now fuck both these groups, they should all be kicked out of here anyway - but where the fuck are the people who are pro-french at all ?
You never hear about any of them, how come ?

well the only one that I could think of is Jean Marie Le Pen

[balybary]

The Gilets Jaunes are not making super spectacular actions now, they are playing a (low level) war of attrition, waiting for some policemen to be so demoralized that they decide to stop making their jobs against the insurrectionists.

Will it work? I don't know.

Other questions are: Will the Gilets Jaunes have a stronger leadership in the future? And will loony leftists take control of the movement?

For the moment the Gilets Jaunes are refusing to have strong leaders, considering that as a point of weakness (the leaders can be manipulated or arrested), but in the future the movement can change its shape, in order to adapt to new circumstances.

[Oberrheiner]

(03-22-2019 11:36 AM)LeBaron Wrote:  

well the only one that I could think of is Jean Marie Le Pen

I used to think that, but his memoirs made me think otherwise (personal opinion).
In any case he was demoralized back in the days and is now too old to do anything.

(03-24-2019 04:26 AM)balybary Wrote:  

Other questions are: Will the Gilets Jaunes have a stronger leadership in the future? And will loony leftists take control of the movement?

Some tried to put françois ruffin at their head.
I watched him on thinkerview, which I think is a good channel despite being sometimes pretty left-wing.
I was not able to watch the whole thing, I have no idea how anyone can take this guy seriously.

[Foolsgo1d]

Just turning up on the streets every saturday isn't going to do shit to the French government or the EU except to paint a big target on your back.

We are seeing in real time why those throughout history have stated peaceful protest only gets you so far. Unless more people turn up and start attacking the institutions then it will just be water under a bridge.

Macron will not leave and neither will the police when they get annoyed every Saturday.

[Leonard D Neubache]

On the contrary it's the thorn in the lion's paw that drives it mad over time.

A big attack will provide justification for a big crackdown.

This is the death by a thousand cuts or more accurately the death by a thousand days. Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state. Cripple the French state and you cripple the EU.

Patience and steady escalation is everything. Escalate steadily and the state is never justified in any one crackdown.

[Easy_C]

It’s brilliant. Paris currently exists as a (paraphrasing what an LV higher up said) as “Disneyland for rich Arabs”. The slow, steady, unrest is devastating to the various elite-run consumption industries that insulate them from working class interests but simultaneously prevents there from being any single major event that triggers a crackdown. If they do crackdown they can’t do it without destroying the destination image Paris has.

[Foolsgo1d]

(03-24-2019 07:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

On the contrary it's the thorn in the lion's paw that drives it mad over time.

A big attack will provide justification for a big crackdown.

This is the death by a thousand cuts or more accurately the death by a thousand days. Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state. Cripple the French state and you cripple the EU.

Patience and steady escalation is everything. Escalate steadily and the state is never justified in any one crackdown.

I didnt mean to go all out and siege the towns and cities in a single day. What I meant is the peaceful part of a protest only gets you so far and doing it once a week on the weekend isn't going to be the 'thing' that makes the machine come after you and then fails as it destroys itself.

Unplanned action nationwide where the police and military cannot control the masses save for dishing out violence and mass arrests is whats needed. To push them into that mode you need to push the envelope.

Do you honestly believe the institutions would be so bold as to fuck a people over if it knew full well the mob would drag it kicking and screaming to some form of social justice arena?

We've gotten lazy and weak and the barbarians aren't just our our borders, they are at our front doors and getting free shit to boot. Peaceful protests and whining about injuries over twitter wont make millions more people take up the cause.

[Oberrheiner]

(03-24-2019 07:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state.

Paris gets its food via trucks.
Block the roads and it would get interesting quickly.

You have millions of people there, 90+% of them who voted for Macron.
Maybe that would be enough to get them to reconsider their position ?

[LeBaron]

(03-24-2019 06:14 AM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(03-22-2019 11:36 AM)LeBaron Wrote:  

well the only one that I could think of is Jean Marie Le Pen

I used to think that, but his memoirs made me think otherwise (personal opinion).
In any case he was demoralized back in the days and is now too old to do anything.

(03-24-2019 04:26 AM)balybary Wrote:  

Other questions are: Will the Gilets Jaunes have a stronger leadership in the future? And will loony leftists take control of the movement?

Some tried to put françois ruffin at their head.
I watched him on thinkerview, which I think is a good channel despite being sometimes pretty left-wing.
I was not able to watch the whole thing, I have no idea how anyone can take this guy seriously.

Would you recomend reading his memoir? I've seen that he annouced a second volume

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(03-24-2019 03:01 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 07:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state.

Paris gets its food via trucks.
Block the roads and it would get interesting quickly.

You have millions of people there, 90+% of them who voted for Macron.
Maybe that would be enough to get them to reconsider their position ?

That seems like a great way to turn everyone against you and justify being mowed down by the military with full public approval. What have all those millions of people in Paris done to you? Voting for Macron may be stupid, but it's not evil and it's not a crime either.

[Laner]

(03-24-2019 08:37 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

It’s brilliant. Paris currently exists as a (paraphrasing what an LV higher up said) as “Disneyland for rich Arabs”. The slow, steady, unrest is devastating to the various elite-run consumption industries that insulate them from working class interests but simultaneously prevents there from being any single major event that triggers a crackdown. If they do crackdown they can’t do it without destroying the destination image Paris has.

Some of the wealthy Arabs here in Vancouver are pretty pissed that Europe has let in so many low class muslims. They seem to think that Europe and other expensive elite cities were going to be playgrounds for them outside of the shithole countries they come from.

[balybary]

This old woman, a "Gilet Jaune" protester, is still in hospital after a police charge

[url=https://twitter.com/wrhfeed/status/1110234283665432577][/url]

Quote:

Macron suggested Legay didn’t behave “responsibly,” saying that “fragile” people shouldn’t attend “places that are defined as prohibited.”

The next one will probably be (sarcasm):

Quote:

Macron suggested that a raped women didn’t behave “responsibly,” saying that “fragile” people shouldn’t live in "a dangerous place like Paris"

[Foolsgo1d]

Old lady is bleeding quite heavily from her nose and mouth. At her age the injuries she sustained could mean death.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Macron really has a talent for saying things that drive decent people into a murderous rage. He couldn't have possibly said anything more stupid and tone-deaf even if he had a team of 20 public relations "experts" working on it.

[Oberrheiner]

(03-24-2019 03:11 PM)LeBaron Wrote:  

Would you recomend reading his memoir? I've seen that he annouced a second volume

I found it pretty boring, but mostly I learned that I don't identify much with this country or his history, as defined by a catholic breton anyway - but I knew this already.

This volume is from his birth to the founding of the FN basically, so part 2 should be the fun one

(03-24-2019 05:37 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 03:01 PM)Oberrheiner Wrote:  

(03-24-2019 07:59 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Cripple Paris and you cripple the French state.

Paris gets its food via trucks.
Block the roads and it would get interesting quickly.

You have millions of people there, 90+% of them who voted for Macron.
Maybe that would be enough to get them to reconsider their position ?

That seems like a great way to turn everyone against you and justify being mowed down by the military with full public approval. What have all those millions of people in Paris done to you? Voting for Macron may be stupid, but it's not evil and it's not a crime either.

I am not saying we should starve them, I'm not a socialist.

But having them make a small venn diagram in their head, of who they depend on and of who they have been shitting on since quite a long time already would be helpful I think.
They might notice there is quite a bit of overlap to say the least.

[Wreckingball]

What happened this weekend?
I saw zero news going around...

[balybary]

(03-27-2019 02:44 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

What happened this weekend?
I saw zero news going around...

Last weekend there was nothing spectacular, little skirmishes here and there, ... a war of attrition.

I have just read something funny about next Saturday

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/gilets...s-20190329

Quote:

The mayor of Bordeaux, Nicolas Florian, who fears an apocalyptic Saturday in his city during the demonstration of the "yellow vests", called on Friday the people of Bordeaux to stay at home and the stores to lower their curtains.

In a war, it happens sometimes that one army is so feared that they don't even have to lift a finger to get a victory. The ennemy just sees them and gets the fuck out without a fight.

The Gilets Jaunes don't even have to come to Bordeaux to disrupt the globalist new order, everything will be close in the city center, the Gilets Jaunes can go to another city if they want to.

[renotime]

Macron should have compassion, especially since his wife is that age.

[911]

As the protests keep rolling, police brutality is not getting reported by the MSM. The political fight is going to be a digital battle between images like the one of the injured poor lady above, against the "casseur"/angry marginal thug image that the PTB are trying to smear the movement with.

[Polniy_Sostav]

In my opinion there must be a little truce.
A sign should be made towards policemen and make actions which put France in shame but won't be noticed by police.

[RatInTheWoods]

Complete blanket ban on the Australian media continues,. Shhhhh nothing to see here oh look Annining is racist!

[Heuristics]

Why is it the media is quick to embrace some grassroots movements, for example: Occupy Wall street; while others, like Yellow Vests, get confined to coverage in backpages. I'm left to conclude that Yellow Vests are a movement that could actually cause change because of the large undercurrent of populism/ right wing politics within it.

Which reminds me of brexit, the media wrote it off as a joke, so I had to peruse Zerohedge, infowars and the like to get a more balanced perspective.

I remember the night the results of brexit came in. I was drinking, decent drinking. And I was laughing my ass off as the "explainer pieces" started being made... Hackery.

And here we are, 2+ years later. And Brexit still has not happened. The elite have every right-wing movement by the balls. Remember how Macron showed up out of left field? Coincidence? I think not... If brexit has not happened, and May fucked up all these votes in parliament; where is our hard brexit? The answer is it will never come. Likely, there is a decent chance, there will be a second referendum. Rhetorical question: what do you call a government that rejects the will of the people? Un-democratic. Managed democracy (that's one of my favorites). Elitist. Out of touch.

[Oberrheiner]

(04-02-2019 12:05 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Why is it the media is quick to embrace some grassroots movements, for example: Occupy Wall street; while others, like Yellow Vests, get confined to coverage in backpages. I'm left to conclude that Yellow Vests are a movement that could actually cause change because of the large undercurrent of populism/ right wing politics within it.

The gilets jaunes (as well as macron's side to be honest) made it clear that this was a fight between those who lost big with globalization against those who won big.
And they have solid arguments to show.

If this takes off worldwide you have the elite against what, 5 billion individuals ?
Which is the normal state of affairs you might say, granted, but billion sheeps are not equal with billion woke men.
So these people and their arguments must be shut down.

And they're not all populist/right-wing, many from the left are here too, from the naives to the terrorists and everything in between - for better or for worse.

[Aurini]

(04-02-2019 12:05 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Why is it the media is quick to embrace some grassroots movements, for example: Occupy Wall street; while others, like Yellow Vests, get confined to coverage in backpages. I'm left to conclude that Yellow Vests are a movement that could actually cause change because of the large undercurrent of populism/ right wing politics within it.

Which reminds me of brexit, the media wrote it off as a joke, so I had to peruse Zerohedge, infowars and the like to get a more balanced perspective.

I remember the night the results of brexit came in. I was drinking, decent drinking. And I was laughing my ass off as the "explainer pieces" started being made... Hackery.

And here we are, 2+ years later. And Brexit still has not happened. The elite have every right-wing movement by the balls. Remember how Macron showed up out of left field? Coincidence? I think not... If brexit has not happened, and May fucked up all these votes in parliament; where is our hard brexit? The answer is it will never come. Likely, there is a decent chance, there will be a second referendum. Rhetorical question: what do you call a government that rejects the will of the people? Un-democratic. Managed democracy (that's one of my favorites). Elitist. Out of touch.

Possibility number one:

I spoke with some of the founders of Occupy Wallstreet - as they put it, they were a bunch of "Weirdo, trans, street anarchists" when they began the movement. As soon as it got popular, they were immediately pushed out by the Progressive Stack.

What, trans being pushed out by the Progressive Stack??? Well, these were the sort of people who knew how to code, and liked being weird. They were Occupying Wallstreet because they hated the corruption and wanted to cause some noise. The Progressive Stack exists to fuel narcissistic supply to the idiots involved with it.

Possibility number two:

This sort of thing was relatively new at the time; the media reported on the novelty. Plus, both it and the liberty movement of the time were easily coopted. Now, things are harder to coop, and they're no longer new and interesting - they're dangerous.