[Oberrheiner]

(12-14-2018 06:21 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

This place is probably the last attachment I need to give up.

Well before you leave could you take some time to help a brother in need ?

I'll be honest : I discovered this place a couple of years ago, and your posts are what made me regularly come back - they were always the most relevant and insightful of them all.
Yet at some point you have changed, so much so that I thought your account got hacked and taken over by somebody else.
Now you almost sound like my grandma, and I don't mean this in a bad way, it's just extremely surprising

Anyway, your reasons for turning to Jesus are none of my business, but I will say one thing :
My family is christian, so being in such an environment I was introduced to it of course, but never found adequate answers for several points which are show-stoppers to me.
I guess the local congregations were already owned by globohomo or whatever the current theory behind it could be.

So here's my point : since you are the first person with any real mindpower who I know and who takes Christianity seriously, would you mind answering some of my questions ?
I can't promise to follow you into your faith if said answers are satisfying, however I would like to have for once an opinion I can respect (meaning not just "it's like this, trust us, or you'll burn in hell forever afterwards"), and make my mind from there.

Please let me know if you would be open to something like this, if the answer is no it's ok of course, you don't own me anything.
I could especially understand your reluctance since I'm new here, but since you pointed several times already that you wanted to leave I guess it's now or never ?

[debeguiled]

Be patient.

He will explain why Christianity makes sense after he comes back from his 7 day ban for threatening someone who disagreed with him.

Have you thought of trying prayer?

[loremipsum]

(12-11-2018 12:47 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

For anyone who thinks there isn't a spiritual dimension to inversion, check out this video from 6:00 to until you've had enough.

This woman takes up astral projection and immediately gets filled with a dark entity that tells her good is bad and bad is good.

This is not a high level person being initiated. This is a normal person's internal, private experience.

Very interesting video, thanks for sharing.

I remember reading that even high level occultists like Jack Parson used the Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram before astral projection, so that no unwelcomed entities would appear.

[Easy_C]

I've been taught the same as well. Even when attempting to communicate with the "source of creation" you invoke protection BEFORE you do anything else whatsoever.

[Mage]

(12-16-2018 05:16 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 12:47 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

For anyone who thinks there isn't a spiritual dimension to inversion, check out this video from 6:00 to until you've had enough.

This woman takes up astral projection and immediately gets filled with a dark entity that tells her good is bad and bad is good.

This is not a high level person being initiated. This is a normal person's internal, private experience.

Very interesting video, thanks for sharing.

I remember reading that even high level occultists like Jack Parson used the Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram before astral projection, so that no unwelcomed entities would appear.

I have spent a lot of time in Christianity and I know for sure that there is no limit to tales and stories many members will invent to get more attention and to make their coming to faith stories much more colorful and interesting.

I have heard beta guys claiming they have slept with 1000 women before coming to Jesus.

I have heard guys confessing to absurd crimes that they supposedly did before coming to Jesus, yet strangely they never have any or long enough prison sentences in their past.

I have heard stories about demonic possessions and other occult turning on people themselves a lot. This mostly comes form women.

In Christian world the bigger sinner you supposedly were, the higher your status is after conversion.

If your conversion story is boring and you play no music instrument, you are nothing interesting in that environment. But if you are a big sinner with a lot of crazy stories, then any Christian will be happy to live dangerously though you, people will listen girls will want you as their husband, you will be invited to social meetings and testimony events, you will be able to write and sell books, make TV interviews, make connections and so on.

For anyone thinking about converting to Christianity I suggest you try as much drugs / occultism / frivolous sex as possible before you turn around. You will be a local superstar that way.

If you convert to Christianity despite being a careful and virtuous person before who has been smart to stay out of trouble for his former life - be prepared to be reduced to background wallflower of irrelevancy.

You will have to come up with stories about your sinfulness before coming to Jesus if you want to game Christians. Your other options are much more limited in that environment, you cannot act like a charming jerk among Christians, like you can elsewhere - you must have that dark dangerous past to be anything in Christian world.

Now surely there is a spiritual dimension to the inversion agenda - and Christianity is part of it. Christianity is religion of cuckery, it's a globalist religion. Christianity is Judaism lite.

If you want to believe in a real God who is defiantly real and defiantly not cucked then I suggest you try Odin.

Odin is the sum of your ancestors - so he is definitely:

1)Real, because your ancestors are real, living in you at least in scientifically proven genetic level if not on higher spiritual level.

2)Not cucked because he represents a line that passed on his genes trough millennia from beginning of life to present day to You!

If you are not of Scandinavian / Germanic / origin then find the equivalent deity of your ancestors. The name of Odin for Slavs is Veles and for Mediterranean Europeans it is Hermes a.k.a Mercury.


Inversion begun at times of Christianity when people had to renounce their ancestor faith to worship a foreign God, born by cuckery of Joseph by the pigeon.

For a long time Christianity weakened our minds to prepare for the accelerated inversion that comes now.

Today Christianity plays the role of a false resistance. Don't fall for it.

[Easy_C]

Quote:

If you want to believe in a real God who is defiantly real and defiantly not cucked then I suggest you try Odin.

Odin is the sum of your ancestors - so he is definitely:

1)Real, because your ancestors are real, living in you at least in scientifically proven genetic level if not on higher spiritual level.

2)Not cucked because he represents a line that passed on his genes trough millennia from beginning of life to present day to You!

Do you even know who Odin is?

Be very careful advising that.

[Mage]

(12-16-2018 08:09 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Quote:

If you want to believe in a real God who is defiantly real and defiantly not cucked then I suggest you try Odin.

Odin is the sum of your ancestors - so he is definitely:

1)Real, because your ancestors are real, living in you at least in scientifically proven genetic level if not on higher spiritual level.

2)Not cucked because he represents a line that passed on his genes trough millennia from beginning of life to present day to You!

Do you even know who Odin is?

Be very careful advising that.

Yes, I explained who he is in the previous post. I suggest you read it, before posting another standard Christian NPC response. Then if you post any response, post it reacting to the actual information I gave you.

[Easy_C]

(12-16-2018 08:16 PM)Mage Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 08:09 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Quote:

If you want to believe in a real God who is defiantly real and defiantly not cucked then I suggest you try Odin.

Odin is the sum of your ancestors - so he is definitely:

1)Real, because your ancestors are real, living in you at least in scientifically proven genetic level if not on higher spiritual level.

2)Not cucked because he represents a line that passed on his genes trough millennia from beginning of life to present day to You!

Do you even know who Odin is?

Be very careful advising that.

Yes, I explained who he is in the previous post. I suggest you read it, before posting another standard Christian NPC response. Then if you post any response, post it reacting to the actual information I gave you.

"Christian NPC response".


Assuming that everyone calling him out is just a dumb Christian calling everything Satan is itself an NPC response.

What if Odin is "real" but not merely a spiritual entity, and is most probably malevolent?

It's a long answer but not as simple as just a quip you're looking for. Start by reading the Atrahasis and Enuma Elish. Audiobook of the first below:

Actually start digging into the gods. Figure out who they are, what commonalities every culture's "gods" have in common, and the repeated roles that they all seem to play.

Odin doesn't just "represent" DNA and lineage. He's part of it and more likely than not that Thor is the same entity as Yahweh.

[Enoch]

Is there some tranny being celebrated at the Miss Universe pageant?

[Mage]

(12-16-2018 08:35 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 08:16 PM)Mage Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 08:09 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Quote:

If you want to believe in a real God who is defiantly real and defiantly not cucked then I suggest you try Odin.

Odin is the sum of your ancestors - so he is definitely:

1)Real, because your ancestors are real, living in you at least in scientifically proven genetic level if not on higher spiritual level.

2)Not cucked because he represents a line that passed on his genes trough millennia from beginning of life to present day to You!

Do you even know who Odin is?

Be very careful advising that.

Yes, I explained who he is in the previous post. I suggest you read it, before posting another standard Christian NPC response. Then if you post any response, post it reacting to the actual information I gave you.

"Christian NPC response".


Assuming that everyone calling him out is just a dumb Christian calling everything Satan is itself an NPC response.

What if Odin is "real" but not merely a spiritual entity, and is most probably malevolent?

It's a long answer but not as simple as just a quip you're looking for. Start by reading the Atrahasis and Enuma Elish. Audiobook of the first below:

Actually start digging into the gods. Figure out who they are, what commonalities every culture's "gods" have in common, and the repeated roles that they all seem to play.

Odin doesn't just "represent" DNA and lineage. He's part of it and more likely than not that Thor is the same entity as Yahweh.

99% of people arguing against Paganism in that manner would be Christians, so it's justified for me to assume that.

If you argue from some Sumerian alien god conspiracy researcher type point of view them you had to say so.

I haven't watched the video you provided yet, but I may, does it talk about European Gods?

It is well known to me that Jewish Yahweh comes from Sumerian gods, Sumerian texts, predating Bible talk about the garden, floods, Noah's arc and other things but from a perspective of Gods being alien like manipulators.

So Sumerian (semitic) gods appear evil, sure. How do you see parallels between them and Indoeuropean (aryan) gods, aside from superficial similarities?

If gods are creators who create humans like robots, like in Semitic tradition, then I have little interest and faith in them.

Indo-Eropean tradition actually suggests that we are relatives to gods, their descendants, or that they are parts of our psyche, or both, that is a different perspective altogether.

It's a big difference, like between real parents and evil stepparents.

Notice how in my post I debunked Christianity but gave immediately an alternative of Indo-European Paganism.

You renounce all gods, be they semitic or aryan? What is your alternative? Atheism? Some godless spirituality? Gnosticism? Please explain your view.

You should not act angry and attack me if you provide no info. Explain your belief like I have explained mine and then we can discuss.

[Kid Twist]

When nearly everyone (not everyone will, most will, sadly) forgets who the one true God is, he will return. Having no other recourse after all that time for repentance, He will make his enemies (who still fight against him) his footstool.

[Mage]

(12-16-2018 09:09 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

When nearly everyone (not everyone will, most will, sadly) forgets who the one true God is, he will return. Having no other recourse after all that time for repentance, He will make his enemies (who still fight against him) his footstool.

You should ask yourself - why did he go away in the first place?

You see the more you think like that the more you can feed your vanity as being the one of the few who remembers his return, despite actually being part of a powerless and cucked system. By this vanity it is how these beliefs hold you.

[Kid Twist]

Mage, you aren't stupid, you know why. And my answer wouldn't be satisfactory to you anyway, so it's curious why you asked.

His return is already in the eternal memory of the universe. My vanity may exist in many things, but not in what you state.

I think we can agree that the system here is suboptimal, and not our homeland, but nevertheless we must do our best in the time and place we were given. We should help each other, then, to avoid the madness. Sound good?

[Mage]

(12-16-2018 10:07 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

Mage, you aren't stupid, you know why. And my answer wouldn't be satisfactory to you anyway, so it's curious why you asked.

His return is already in the eternal memory of the universe. My vanity may exist in many things, but not in what you state.

I think we can agree that the system here is suboptimal, and not our homeland, but nevertheless we must do our best in the time and place we were given. We should help each other, then, to avoid the madness. Sound good?

Sorry, I didn't understand a thing you are saying here.

I wasn't attacking you personally if that's what you mean, just discussing nature of certain beliefs.

[Caduceus]

(12-16-2018 08:59 PM)Mage Wrote:  

It is well known to me that Jewish Yahweh comes from Sumerian gods, Sumerian texts, predating Bible talk about the garden, floods, Noah's arc and other things but from a perspective of Gods being alien like manipulators.

So Sumerian (semitic) gods appear evil, sure. How do you see parallels between them and Indoeuropean (aryan) gods, aside from superficial similarities?

If gods are creators who create humans like robots, like in Semitic tradition, then I have little interest and faith in them.

Indo-Eropean tradition actually suggests that we are relatives to gods, their descendants, or that they are parts of our psyche, or both, that is a different perspective altogether.

It's a big difference, like between real parents and evil stepparents.

I like that analogy.
The jewish God of the bible is definitely one evil stepfather who removed and/or killed off all the old biological (pagan) father Gods. He only likes his biological children (jews) and hates all other stepkids (non-jews).

[infowarrior1]

(12-16-2018 06:30 PM)Mage Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 05:16 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 12:47 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

For anyone who thinks there isn't a spiritual dimension to inversion, check out this video from 6:00 to until you've had enough.

This woman takes up astral projection and immediately gets filled with a dark entity that tells her good is bad and bad is good.

This is not a high level person being initiated. This is a normal person's internal, private experience.

Very interesting video, thanks for sharing.

I remember reading that even high level occultists like Jack Parson used the Lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram before astral projection, so that no unwelcomed entities would appear.

I have spent a lot of time in Christianity and I know for sure that there is no limit to tales and stories many members will invent to get more attention and to make their coming to faith stories much more colorful and interesting.

I have heard beta guys claiming they have slept with 1000 women before coming to Jesus.

I have heard guys confessing to absurd crimes that they supposedly did before coming to Jesus, yet strangely they never have any or long enough prison sentences in their past.

I have heard stories about demonic possessions and other occult turning on people themselves a lot. This mostly comes form women.

In Christian world the bigger sinner you supposedly were, the higher your status is after conversion.

If your conversion story is boring and you play no music instrument, you are nothing interesting in that environment. But if you are a big sinner with a lot of crazy stories, then any Christian will be happy to live dangerously though you, people will listen girls will want you as their husband, you will be invited to social meetings and testimony events, you will be able to write and sell books, make TV interviews, make connections and so on.

For anyone thinking about converting to Christianity I suggest you try as much drugs / occultism / frivolous sex as possible before you turn around. You will be a local superstar that way.

If you convert to Christianity despite being a careful and virtuous person before who has been smart to stay out of trouble for his former life - be prepared to be reduced to background wallflower of irrelevancy.

You will have to come up with stories about your sinfulness before coming to Jesus if you want to game Christians. Your other options are much more limited in that environment, you cannot act like a charming jerk among Christians, like you can elsewhere - you must have that dark dangerous past to be anything in Christian world.

Now surely there is a spiritual dimension to the inversion agenda - and Christianity is part of it. Christianity is religion of cuckery, it's a globalist religion. Christianity is Judaism lite.

If you want to believe in a real God who is defiantly real and defiantly not cucked then I suggest you try Odin.

Odin is the sum of your ancestors - so he is definitely:

1)Real, because your ancestors are real, living in you at least in scientifically proven genetic level if not on higher spiritual level.

2)Not cucked because he represents a line that passed on his genes trough millennia from beginning of life to present day to You!

If you are not of Scandinavian / Germanic / origin then find the equivalent deity of your ancestors. The name of Odin for Slavs is Veles and for Mediterranean Europeans it is Hermes a.k.a Mercury.


Inversion begun at times of Christianity when people had to renounce their ancestor faith to worship a foreign God, born by cuckery of Joseph by the pigeon.

For a long time Christianity weakened our minds to prepare for the accelerated inversion that comes now.

Today Christianity plays the role of a false resistance. Don't fall for it.

Given how Ancient Paganism has ceased to exist. Are you sure Varg's understanding of Paganism is even what Ancient Paganism is about?

[loremipsum]

(12-17-2018 05:42 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  

(12-16-2018 08:59 PM)Mage Wrote:  

It is well known to me that Jewish Yahweh comes from Sumerian gods, Sumerian texts, predating Bible talk about the garden, floods, Noah's arc and other things but from a perspective of Gods being alien like manipulators.

So Sumerian (semitic) gods appear evil, sure. How do you see parallels between them and Indoeuropean (aryan) gods, aside from superficial similarities?

If gods are creators who create humans like robots, like in Semitic tradition, then I have little interest and faith in them.

Indo-Eropean tradition actually suggests that we are relatives to gods, their descendants, or that they are parts of our psyche, or both, that is a different perspective altogether.

It's a big difference, like between real parents and evil stepparents.

I like that analogy.
The jewish God of the bible is definitely one evil stepfather who removed and/or killed off all the old biological (pagan) father Gods. He only likes his biological children (jews) and hates all other stepkids (non-jews).

In that case I assume you are talking about the old testament, not the god Jesus was talking about?

[Mage]

(12-17-2018 05:53 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

Given how Ancient Paganism has ceased to exist. Are you sure Varg's understanding of Paganism is even what Ancient Paganism is about?

Nobody is going to give you 100% correct answers in matters of spirituality. That is a path each human being must walk independently. It is about your relationship with the divine and not Varg's or some priest's relationship. Especially in paganism where each human being is free to connect to divine directly trough nature. It is concept of monotheism that you need the correct interpretation and if you get a comma wrong somewhere then you may be heretic deserving to burn in hell. This is why Paganism has many aspects represented by different Gods, who suit different people at different times.

Each pagan myth, just like any Bible story has many layers of interpretation, depending on your ability of understanding.

It is a common self delusion tactic for a believer of a faith to interpret the stories of other religions at their face value, literally. At the same time a believer will often spend time learning for the secret layers of knowledge from religions of his own faith. The higher the intellect of the believer the deeper meanings will he need to discover and less he will be satisfied with the literal explanation that is usually meant for little children.

Both Judaism and Paganism are multiple layered esoteric faiths where hidden layers become accessible to the person depending on his degree of spiritual initiation.

Christianity and Islam are exoteric religions where seeking of esoteric layers is generally forbidden. But since exceptional individuals crave more meaning, more esoteric explanations like Gnosticism and Sufism arise.

[Mage]

(12-17-2018 07:03 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  

In that case I assume you are talking about the old testament, not the god Jesus was talking about?

I find the theory that Jesus preached another God not fully convincing, yet very important. After all he said that he has come to fulfill the scriptures and not to bring some new faith.

If Jesus did teach a new god then that would be God the Father as opposed to God the Creator of Old Testament. Jesus always called God - Father.

Who is All-Father? - Odin.

It is interesting to notice that pagans didn't accept Jewish Old testament Creator God. They accepted the supposedly same God trough Christianity as a trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I think that might have been because it was important for them to have a God that is Father - that is very Pagan idea.

The question remains whereas Jesus really did preach the Father God to Jews or was it all a ruse invented by Paul and later Church fathers to make the Creator God to infiltrate Pagan world and covertly push out the Father God.

Even when I was a child and raised as a Christian - I only ever prayed to God the Father in my heart. I never prayed to Jesus, the supposed only son and never to Creator God.

There is theory that Pagans and Jews have different origins. Pagans are sons of the Father God. Jews are creations of the Creator God. Adam and Eve are only ancestors to Jews. That explains with whom their children mated to produce next generations. That also explains why they are so different.

If that is true however - Jesus had little reason to preach Father God to creatures. Creator God is for creatures and Father God is for the Sons of God. But Jesus claimed to be one, later interpreted as the only one by Christians to hide this fact.

However if we take Reincarnation in account then we can assume that a soul can manifest itself in either a creature, either a Son of God, depending on it's honor or karma. From this perspective it makes sense to preach God the Father even to creatures.

[Caduceus]

(12-17-2018 07:03 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  

In that case I assume you are talking about the old testament, not the god Jesus was talking about?

Yeah, that one...

[sterling_archer]

Regarding Jesus and "His" God, I was always of opinion:

Old Testament God - A god, a particular god (powerful being) of desert nomadic people around which grew major religion/s.

God of Jesus - The God, Brahman from Indian mythology, origin of all Reality, hardware which runs the software (worlds of illusion).

In actuality, if we go for the opinion that supernatural exists, I would assume that both exist, but one is a god and other is The God. The God is btw also mentioned in Jewish texts. They call it "Ein Sof". It is literally the same thing as Brahman. God which has not yet entered into any of created worlds and thus has no shape.

From Zohar (Kabbalah):

Quote:

Before He gave any shape to the world, before He produced any form, He was alone, without form and without resemblance to anything else. Who then can comprehend how He was before the Creation? Hence it is forbidden to lend Him any form or similitude, or even to call Him by His sacred name, or to indicate Him by a single letter or a single point... But after He created the form of the Heavenly Man, He used him as a chariot wherein to descend, and He wishes to be called after His form, which is the sacred name "YHWH".

[loremipsum]

I've read a theory that Jesus was an avatar of Shiva. I wonder if that would be compatible with that theory.

[Oberrheiner]

(12-16-2018 03:06 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  

Be patient.

He will explain why Christianity makes sense after he comes back from his 7 day ban for threatening someone who disagreed with him.

Have you thought of trying prayer?

Oh I have two children, I can do patience no problem ..

"Why does Christianity make sense" is exactly the question I need answered - probably in its own thread though, I didn't want to derail this one by being too specific or verbose about this not totally related topic.
Seems like somebody else seized the opportunity though ..

I tried prayer when I was a teen, at the same time I forced myself to read the bible, it didn't work out.
Come to think of it I have a funny anecdote with a priest regarding what would be the definition of working out in this case.
Well I guess it did help somewhat, like writing things down can help : formalizing a problem gets you closer to the solution - but apart from that, no.

Anyway, I have the utmost respect for my ancestors, and they were all Christians.
So even though I don't believe in it myself I tried on several occasions to find a coherent framework for thoughts and beliefs in Christianity, but failed to.
Now of course it's a religion so I don't expect logic to explain it all, there will always be a component of faith in it but even then, I think it's reasonable to expect that what you put your faith into makes sense, and there are many points in Christianity which don't seem to make any to me.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

I don't know if this quite fits the thread topic, but I don't think it's too much of a stretch.

The failing New York Times paid for an advertisement to appear in my Facebook feed. Items like this are able to have comments just as if one of my Facebook friends had made a post.

The comments were automatically sorted for what Facebook's algorithms call "Relevance", so I expect what I was seeing was somewhat sanitized, as much so as the typical soy SJWs at Facebook could manage for one of the heroes of the revolution like the NYT.

Every single comment that appeared on my feed was highly negative, such as "So sick of seeing this in my feed", "Couldn't pay me to read that rag", and "Good paper for NY where they elected a communist mayor" Oh, please. Probably the most biased "reporting" I've ever read".

We may be getting hammered by the inversion agenda, but the backlash from the Normies is getting stronger and stronger. The reversal works when people aren't paying attention, but there may come a time when everybody is paying attention, and the people pushing this inversion shit will see the day of the rope.

Deus Vult!

[RatInTheWoods]

(12-17-2018 04:27 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  

We may be getting hammered by the inversion agenda, but the backlash from the Normies is getting stronger and stronger.

Yes, this. I am surprised and encouraged by the pushback that is starting to take hold.

I see in in young shitlords, uncensored comments sections, meeting more and more red pilled guys at random, familiar with the language and issues.

This is surprising because the infestation has been embedded in our schools, media and government for many decades.

I was enjoying the decline, but it's slowly switching to enjoying the incline.